agarawu23:
thanks boss

Who be boss? No start this morning o

From Turkey to Naija | Same Door Now in my custody.


This is the way I confirm authenticity of things if I choose to buy from the street.

@Fastshipping, sorry to put mouth for your tiles matter o. I will like to suggest that you buy what you need from over there as it seems money is not the problem.

You will be amazed that those tiles you posted there are also trashy Chinese tiles packaged and sold to the gullible diasporas as Spanish and Italians tiles.

$1800 savings is not worth absolute peace of mind my brother. Once those tiles don enter floor, e dey hard to remove dem o o.

Another thing, I will not use white or cream tile for high traffic areas. Naija no be Yankee, dirty road everywhere.

People no go come here come talk how hot oil from frying pan burn their Spanish tiles in the kitchen. And the tiles started to blow up like fried egg.

It happened to a Nairalander here. One day the owner will read this and attest to it.

Brabus

I no get money. I may not have integrity of the 99.9% here. But if it is taste, I know my class.

I won't come here to post what cannot be verified.

The country clay tiles used on my chateau was displayed on Home Depot website. It has a name and country of origin. I don't need to proof it. Just visit the site and visit the house.

You'll know the difference between Chinese knockoff stone tiles and real stone tiles.


Brabus.

n3xt:
People no go come here come talk how hot oil from frying pan burn their Spanish tiles in the kitchen. And the tiles started to blow up like fried egg.

It happened to a Nairalander here. One day the owner will read this and attest to it.

Brabus

Braaabus! Where did you see the above happen!

Tiles getting burnt by hot oil from frying pan!
Tell me you are just being funny?

Chai, dearis god o!

But really, l have seen European Traders import products from China, repack and re-sell in Europe.
I am referring to Security products like CCTV PTZ Cameras, PIR's, e.t.c (which l bought out of, some years back) and saw same on Chinese trade site, confirmed as Chinese manufacture.

Having said that, l think not all Chinese products are bad (on the contrary, most are good), just that our own people go to China and specifically tell them to reduce the quality (so cost of manufacture can reduce), while they come to Nigeria and sell it as the same price of the unadulterated/original one.
Take the case of Automotive batteries as an example - Same body casing, same name, same price but one has less CELLS inside it!

There are also a lot of Chinese-made products in America (you just need to look at the Trade Deficit between the two countries to get convinced) so, generally speaking, l think the problem lies with unscrupulous Nigerian importers and their "cut-corners approach" to making extra money





Lastpage!

lastpage:


Braaabus! Where did you see the above happen!

Tiles getting burnt by hot oil from frying pan!
Tell me you are just being funny?

Chai, dearis god o!

Lastpage!

As very untrue this may sound, it's the truth. The owner of the project is one of us here. I was equally shocked when I was told but who is to blame? The buyer? The seller? The importer? Or the government who choose not to control what get past its border? The manufacturer? The greedy businessman who ask for knockoffs to deceive unsuspecting home owners, builders and construction professionals?

When we argue some things here, I keep wondering why we can't tell ourself the truth. "Will I know the difference if I am the one buying it myself?"
I've said it times without number that some contractors may not know they are been ripped off when they are less informed.

Take for instance the issue of sharp sand as explained earlier. There are different types of sharp sand and their cost varies. Will a client know the difference? NO! He can only rely on what he hear from Mr A or what he confirmed from Mr X.

I bought some original toilet fittings sometimes ago and unknown to us everything inside it were changed to a knockoff version and it was packed and handed over to us. We didn't know until when we installed and we were having issues.
Will you have ever imagined paying triple market value for a product and getting a substandard fittings. This guys are good at what they do and so I've made a resolve to do my thing with verified businesses even if it comes at an extra cost.

I'm not the type of likes spending money on routine maintenance. If I can have a maintenance free build, I'll do my best to get it.

@Lastpage.....if the importers don't do such, no one will buy them. I have been to China and I know for a fact that when you walk into a factory and request to buy goods, the first question they ask you before they quote price is " which standard?". There is American Standard, European Standard, Gulf Countries Standard and African Standard and even within the Africa, there is South African Standard, North African Standard, Normal African Standard and Nigerian Standard. The prices of all this standard varies even though they all look the same. The standard organization of all countries set the quality of the standard for every product imported into their countries. Ours in Nigeria may never take sample of products to test them to ascertain if the quality is okay. They are more inclined towards kickbacks.

Wow I love this door ? How much is it ? Where can I get it at asaba ? Do you have warehouse at asaba ?

AZUH:
Wow I love this door ? How much is it ? Where can I get it at asaba ? Do you have warehouse at asaba ?

I can give you the contact. The guy is in Lagos. He's one of your own.

I don't think he runs a shop like that o. His doors are sold at the shipping warehouse in Lagos. Once he has something, he will just send message to his buyers. That's what he does.

Still talking about fake standards in Nigeria. I bought toiletries at 45k per set (which should be a very good quality based on price paid) and I ended up with something that needed to be worked on; to be fixed before it work

N45k!! I just feel like why didn't I call Alan of Grohe and tell him "Hey buddy, I need something good for 60k, can you work with my budget?" I know they'll get me something fantastic for 70k without need to upgrade in 15 years. I could have talked to my guys at House Affairs, they'll give Milano fittings for a good price. This big guys want business.

Now, I paid 45k (which is more than average cost most people are paying) for a knockoff version of an original model in a sealed pack and somebody wants me to believe anything else that ever come from that market. The same market that supplied the frying tiles.

No now!! I dey work for this money.

Why people keep silent on issues like this still confuse me? Are we saying this things are non-issue?

abdulwastecx:
I can't argue about the strength of concrete based on fine aggregates type because I haven't done any test based on that but I notice that the water to cement ratio (w-c) vary considerably using any of these two aggregates.

I have done some test to estimate and observed the effect of water content on strength of concrete, which shows that water content is an impact factor on the outcome of strength of concrete.
Other factors are coarse aggregates sizes, curing type and duration.

A Low water content gives higher strength of concrete but low workability. The problem is to find a balance between strength and workability and that is why additives like water reducer and plasticizers come handing to reduce water content by also making the concrete workable.

Fine aggregates filled in spaces between coarse aggregates and also help the cement to reduce shrinkage of concrete but don't really contribute much to the strength of the concrete

So fine aggregate is also essential for a dense and less porous concrete?
I did manufacture ready to use screeding powder based on gypsum and white cement for inside and outside screeding before phasing them out.
I've developed some interest in plaster setting since then, especially as pop emulsion paints are now used with Portland cement for screeding.

I have also read a research thesis which a conclusion that the strength of concrete increases considerably with the size of the couarse aggregrate and reaches a peack strength at course aggregrate size of 20mm but the strength starts to decsend with further increase in the size of the agregrate beyond 20mm.
They gave a reason which stated that the larger the course aggregrate, the more void spaces are fromed in between the course aggregate and leads to further weakening of the concrete.
Apart from a large water cement ratio reducing the srtength of the concrete, The permeability of concrete increases with an increase in water cement-ratio.
Alot of factors affect the strength of concrete.

We must never forget.

podosci:
I have also read a research thesis which a conclusion that the strength of concrete increases considerably with the size of the couarse aggregrate and reaches a peack strength at course aggregrate size of 20mm but the strength starts to decsend with further increase in the size of the agregrate beyond 20mm.
They gave a reason which stated that the larger the course aggregrate, the more void spaces are fromed in between the course aggregate and leads to further weakening of the concrete.
Apart from a large water cement ratio reducing the srtength of the concrete, The permeability of concrete increases with an increase in water cement-ratio.
Alot of factors affect the strength of concrete.

Very correct Podosci. In the research carried out at Unilag, the best strength of concrete is achieved when 35% of crushed granite fine is applied to the mix.

But CGF (stone dust) can completely replace sand in concrete mix. Check out what Air lastpage posted. If he didn't say it, no one would have noticed it and it came out fine.

Much later today or sometimes in the week, I intend showing a video of an all-CGF (stone dust) block that can never be broken when thrown from 10m height.
Funny enough, the cost difference when compared with sand block is not twice the cost but the strength is double.

AZUH:
@ agarawu you be fine boy And still peaceful you should an Yoruba man . Erico2k2 show your face fast .

Ahaha me 2 nah small boy ohhh.but I de respect my elders.but I wash hand clean so I can dine with the baba dem ie EgunMogaji and mufutau55

n3xt:

I can give you the contact. The guy is in Lagos. He's one of your own.

I don't think he runs a shop like that o. His doors are sold at the shipping warehouse in Lagos. Once he has something, he will just send message to his buyers. That's what he does.

What is the price range of those doors? Thanks.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


What is the price range of those doors? Thanks.

Hajji M.

I am interested also, what is the price of the door?

Can't Nigerians artisans make these doors if given a sample? because I use to see good wooden doors in Benin city, Edo state. I believe we can get good looking doors in Nigeria.

Pls house . Kindly a close look on this pictures . One side of the land is higher .can landscaping work for this or I should just leave it like that ?

@AZUH....you can't find solution to the presumed problems of that house by pasting pictures online. Get professional help. You have invested so much into the building of lovely house for you to start seeking solutions online.
That house needs physical examination. It's either you get a professional in the vicinity of that project to render a service to you or you get a professional here to do likewise. No real professional will give a solution to the defects you are pointing out in that house just by looking at pictures.

kenazuu:


I am interested also, what is the price of the door?

Can't Nigerians artisans make these doors if given a sample? because I use to see good wooden doors in Benin city, Edo state. I believe we can get good looking doors in Nigeria.

Well they are non creative or not willling to risk investment. I can build that machine that will mill that door.it's a basic CNC. Anyway I am building one wen I port back to Nigeria .

mufutau55:


What is the price range of those doors? Thanks.

Hajji M.

The Door is N30,000 with frame and keys. The contact is Matthew ‪+234 705 792 8387‬

cc: kenazuu, AZUH

Brabus

n3xt:

The Door is N30,000 with frame and keys. The contact is Matthew ‪+234 705 792 8387‬
cc: kenazuu, AZUH
Brabus

Thanks Oga Brabus... Lastly, what kind of door are they; wood, pvc or etc.? And I hope he has other colors.

Hajji M.

erico2k2:

Well they are non creative or not willling to risk investment. I can build that machine that will mill that door.it's a basic CNC. Anyway I am building one wen I port back to Nigeria .

I saw a post from a well known builder on naira land few weeks ago showing some newly imported doors and then I asked my self, why would anyone want to import doors into Nigeria? Knowing that we have some of the finest wood in the world and with samples most of our local guys will duplicate those designs using better materials. So just for me to understand what really differentiate these imported doors from doors made in Nigeria? Are these imported doors blast proof, Bullet proof or bomb proof? This question is to help me understand o and if explained properly I might end up becoming a customer. Thanks

babalose:
@Lastpage.....if the importers don't do such, no one will buy them. I have been to China and I know for a fact that when you walk into a factory and request to buy goods, the first question they ask you before they quote price is " which standard?". There is American Standard, European Standard, Gulf Countries Standard and African Standard and[b] even within the Africa, there is South African Standard, North African Standard, Normal African Standard and Nigerian Standard[/b].

Choi, there is a Nigerian standard too? We just dey fall hand.

But it's the consumer that causes the problem: we want to pay the absolute cheapest price for something, never mind that we have to replace the cheap stuff every 6 months. Rather than buy higher quality that will last years.

ice4u999:


I saw a post from a well known builder on naira land few weeks ago showing some newly imported doors and then I asked my self, why would anyone want to import doors into Nigeria? Knowing that we have some of the finest wood in the world and with samples most of our local guys will duplicate those designs using better materials. So just for me to understand what really differentiate these imported doors from doors made in Nigeria? Are these imported doors blast proof, Bullet proof or bomb proof? This question is to help me understand o and if explained properly I might end up becoming a customer. Thanks

Sadly, it's the same story that plagues all our industries. It's extremely difficult to manufacture in Nigeria, whereas it's far more profitable and less risky to simply import. To wit, you'll need to surmount the following challenges:

- invest time and effort to learn about the technical details of an industry
- buy quality machines
- buy quality raw materials (treated wood, well lumbered and straight)
- hire and train staff to care about quality
- be prepared to ruin 50% of inventory in the learning process
- purchase reliable energy for your factory
- convince a Nigerian bank to loan you money to start a factory for all these upfront costs
- convince consumers to buy Made in Nigeria

It takes 3-5 years from start to profitability if you manufacture. You just have to buy and sell to make a profit if you simply import. I've become much less critical of our import mentality after understanding all these obstacles.

n3xt:


As very untrue this may sound, it's the truth. The owner of the project is one of us here. I was equally shocked when I was told but who is to blame? The buyer? The seller? The importer? Or the government who choose not to control what get past its border? The manufacturer? The greedy businessman who ask for knockoffs to deceive unsuspecting home owners, builders and construction professionals?

When we argue some things here, I keep wondering why we can't tell ourself the truth. "Will I know the difference if I am the one buying it myself?"
I've said it times without number that some contractors may not know they are been ripped off when they are less informed.

Take for instance the issue of sharp sand as explained earlier. There are different types of sharp sand and their cost varies. Will a client know the difference? NO! He can only rely on what he hear from Mr A or what he confirmed from Mr X.

I bought some original toilet fittings sometimes ago and unknown to us everything inside it were changed to a knockoff version and it was packed and handed over to us. We didn't know until when we installed and we were having issues.
Will you have ever imagined paying triple market value for a product and getting a substandard fittings. This guys are good at what they do and so I've made a resolve to do my thing with verified businesses even if it comes at an extra cost.

I'm not the type of likes spending money on routine maintenance. If I can have a maintenance free build, I'll do my best to get it.

I shouldn't know about sharp sand because I'm not a professional builder and have never used/bought sharp sand in my life (here I use ready mix - concrete mix by the bag that you just add water to). So I ask questions and will continue to ask questions, even seemingly mundane questions that pisses off certain quarters because when I ask I learn.

I also take the opportunity to thank those that answer my questions selflessly except for the snort nosed yellow-belly back-boneless runt liar.

I like knowing now that I can get these tiles in Nigeria. All I have to do know is go to my local tile shop and identify the tiles that I want and look for it in Nigeria. Win win.

@EgunMogaji

What about the roofing Aluminium that was supposed to be delivered? Done? Photos.
I settled for imported Metcoppo 0.55mm at N1,700 per sqm for almost 700sqm and it's done.

Hajji M.

erico2k2:

Well they are non creative or not willling to risk investment. I can build that machine that will mill that door.it's a basic CNC. Anyway I am building one wen I port back to Nigeria .

Please make sure you back up this claim. I would like to see this happen.

EgunMogaji:


I shouldn't know about sharp sand because I'm not a professional builder and have never used/bought sharp sand in my life (here I use ready mix - concrete mix by the bag that you just add water to). So I ask questions and will continue to ask questions, even seemingly mundane questions that pisses off certain quarters because when I ask I learn.

I also take the opportunity to thank those that answer my questions selflessly except for the snort nosed yellow-belly back-boneless runt liar.

I like knowing now that I can get these tiles in Nigeria. All I have to do know is go to my local tile shop and identify the tiles that I want and look for it in Nigeria. Win win.

Are you Fastshipping?

erico2k2:

Well they are non creative or not willling to risk investment. I can build that machine that will mill that door.it's a basic CNC. Anyway I am building one wen I port back to Nigeria.

I am sure it can easily be imported into Nigeria from China just like any other machine...

Hajji M.

Qc1:



@ FastShipping

Could you please recommend the lightest (as in weight) tiles? I need something that won't add too much weight for my house because I don't want it to sink further. Thank you sir.

@QCI :- Whats the current update on fixing your sinking house?