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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 9:37am On May 26, 2016 |
It's important to note that I am quoting directly from the Chelsea website. There are no phrases like 'Is Believed', 'Suggestions of' or 'Fingers are pointed'. This is not the third hand description of a journalist who was told something by someone we cannot identify. We will not quote people who are on the outside looking in. All my information will be quoted directly from Chelsea website or interviews with Chelsea current/former staff. Griffon and other readers, please stay with me. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 9:42am On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Between August 2007 and June 2013 Forde was Director of Football Operations and Executive Club Director at Chelsea - FACT! 1n 2011, Micheal Emenalo was appointed the technical director - FACT! I don't see how this changes anything. Emenalo started the damage upon being appointed the TD in 2011. His job as the technical director was to produce a team that will win trophies from 2011 whilst also looking to the future (vision). But he was incompetent to handle the task. He is just a phucking scout for pete's sake. He has no business planning a squad, his only job is to recommend good players. A technical director should help strengthen weak areas but Emenalo failed in that regard. He built a squad which was slanted toward playing high up to get the best out of MaZaCar with no regard given to the dearth of steel in the CM area. I've said this over and over again. That underlines his inane tactical knowledge of the game brah. He never bothered to sign a good CM, his major concern was to stockpile the team with tiki-taka kinda players. The only time we bothered about having a good CM was last two seasons when Jose arrived and demanded for Matic, you of all people should know better. So I'm right with the assertion that Emenalo did more than scouting back then, he was in charge of creating a major imbalance in the team. Treat this as fact! 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 9:46am On May 26, 2016 |
Griffon: Hahaha... I'm coming to this. Just chill. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 9:50am On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: I bumped into the article last month. http://www.espnfc.com/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/2845538/michael-emenalo-chelsea-influence-not-boding-well-for-conte This stuff was written by Mark Worrall who has penned several books on the history and success of Chelsea Football Club. You can follow him on Twitter @gate17marco. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 9:57am On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: This is nothing new and wouldn't be the first time Emenalo would be putting the manager in the picture. He did it with Rafa Benitez. Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2237633/Frank-Lampard-Ashley-Cole-leave-says-Rafa-Benitez.html#ixzz2D8vTphPs Lampard and Cole can leave, says Rafa leaving Chelsea old guard in tatters Chelsea legends Frank Lampard and Ashley Cole are to leave at the end of the season after Rafa Benitez confirmed the break-up of the Champions League-winning team. Both players are out of contract next summer and Chelsea’s new coach admitted they are unlikely to stay at Stamford Bridge beyond the end of the season. Asked directly if it was the end of a glorious era for the pair at Chelsea, Benitez said: ‘I think so, that is the case at the moment. ‘I am only here for seven months. If it is for two or three years then maybe I would have an influence. ‘Sometimes you are in a difficult position as manager because there’s too much to decide on, so it’s better to have a technical director sometimes.’ A manager under duress. Oga fear Emenalo |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 10:03am On May 26, 2016 |
Before we move forward with the Emenalo case, let us step back in time to 2010, and consider his predecessor Frank Arnesen. Frank Arnesen had a completely different remit to Emenalo as exemplified by his slightly different Job Title. Again This is lifted directly from the Chelsea website in 2010 Frank Arnesen, Sporting Director. Continues with his previous roles relating to the Reserves and Academy but now also takes on responsibilities relating to the co-ordination of first team activity and supporting the first team manager. Note the small difference in Emenalo and Frank's job description...They both handled youth teams and they both supported the first team manager.... However ONLY Frank coordinated first team activity. To further exemplify this difference in authority...Frank sat on the Board. Emenalo at least until 2013 did not
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 10:09am On May 26, 2016 |
Griffon, Mike Worral does not not work and has never worked at Chelsea either at lower level, or at strategic level. At best, all the man is giving us is his opinion based on his observations. I want to strip past all of that. I'm painstakingly pasting these facts as listed by Chelsea Website direct. Let us focus on that for now first. Let us draw our inferences from the information we can verify, rather than 3rd hand information from a writer who is speculating in the same way that you are. Anyway, I'm still loading... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Pataki: 10:21am On May 26, 2016 |
Fight don finish? Lailai! Nihilist, abeg answer Ibime na. Give am correct uppercut, make him go sleep for him vacation. We trust you are more than capable. Fo imu e! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:21am On May 26, 2016 |
Griffon: Haba bros. Emenalo can't be responsible for such decisions. It must have been Mike Forde. Can't you see his job description on Chelsea website? Those decisions can only be made by board members such as Mike Forde, not Emenalo. Never mind what Benitez, RDM and Mourinho tell you. They are all liars. Mike Forde is the decision maker. Can't you see on Chelsea website? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 10:31am On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Hehehe. I'll be back in a bit, make I go pick some groceries. Just take your time homie |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 10:32am On May 26, 2016 |
Ibime: Lol. Stop this fight and say something nice about Nihilist |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 10:33am On May 26, 2016 |
The Chain of Command. Now someone asked why Benitez did not take his list of requirements to Mike Forde. The reason is simple. There is a chain of command. We all know that Roman is the one who ultimately cuts the check for players. Yet what we find is that many managers were unable to access Roman directly....and what's more, this is actually the standard procedure Hear AVB. I have not spoken to him [Abramovich],” said Villas-Boas. “I have spoken to persons near to him. He is disappointed about the result and asking questions about how we set up the team and they were duly explained.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9102184/Chelsea-manager-Andre-Villas-Boas-admits-owner-Roman-Abramovich-quizzed-him-over-team-selection.html Hear Benitez Benitez says he has not yet met or spoken with Roman Abramovich - his link is with technical director Michael Emenalo - but he thinks he will meet him later today.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9696291/Rafa-Benitez-unveiled-as-new-Chelsea-manager-live.html Now if we know that the managers dont get to take their lists directly to the guy who cuts the cheque, why should we expect the manager to be able to take his list directly to to DoF? The things we know for sure are the TD collects the list from the manager. And we know that the DoF is directly in charge of the TD and first team affairs. So its pretty clear from the Chelsea website that the chain of command is: Manager presents list to TD. TD presents to DoF to ratify at board level. Owner signs off. And it goeas back down again sigh. Still loading. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 10:50am On May 26, 2016 |
The Chelsea board has always consisted of two kind of people whom for sake of discussion I will call the 'Suits' and the 'Track Suits' The suits are the business people who provide the business perspective at the board meetings eg Eugene Tannenbaum, and Ron Gourlay. The track suits are the sporting people who provide the football perspective at the board meetings eg Arnesen, Forde and from 2013 Emenalo. Emenalo is accused of ruining the team from 2011. Between 2011 and July 2013, he was not a board member. Does it sound plausible, that a lower ranking member of the managing cadre would be making decisions that completely bypass the highest level of management? Is it possible that Emenalo would sideline the committee listed by Chelsea as in charge of running day to day activities, and make decisions with the highest level of impact on his own? I've worked in corporate environments in the City of London since 2011. I can assure you, that bypassing the boardroom and strategy level management manner is impossible. So what does this mean for the theory of Emenalo the club ruininer since 2010/11/beginning of time? Loading. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chrisley024(m): 10:56am On May 26, 2016 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:19am On May 26, 2016 |
A ninja just woke up and decides that he's been following the politics of Chelsea FC since 2011, just by looking at Chelsea website and reading out of context. Telling us about Mike Forde, a ninja whose job role was so irrelevant, the club didn't bother to replace his role when he left. This is the difference between someone who knows and follows something and someone who just woke up one day and decided to form ITK. The defence of an Emenalo apologist is always: (1.) Claim he signed good players When confronted that good players does not make a good team (2.) Blame the manager When shown that the manager had difference of opinion on the team make-up, bring out the nuclear option. (3.) Deflect attention to Mike Forde, Eugene Tennenbaum or Sani Abacha. Now a ninja is telling us how board structure works, while the whole world is showing us multiple examples of how Emenalo is the key decision maker, and we cannot find one example for Mike Forde. It's like a child who woke up one morning decided to "educate" us that Marina did not sit on Chelsea board in 2013, when we all know that she had taken over many of Ron Gourlays functions 2 years before she became an executive. This is the difference between a man who knows something, and a man who woke up to form ITK. They say a child who decides to fight his father will get blinded by his fathers loincloth. I leave with the words of A40 in 2013 when ITK had not even known who Mike Forde is. A40: 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:28am On May 26, 2016 |
Omo...!!!! In airmarks voice; this gaaaaan be fun..! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:45am On May 26, 2016 |
I think that at this point, we need to try and figure out what is going on at Chelsea. I lean very closely towards what Tng said here: tng: Now let's examine this with facts: Starting with Ancelotti. Firstly, Griffon, and this should be important to you. Roman told him straight away that he wanted a possesion based team. So it wasn't Emenalo that had a Barcelona-esque Vision. Emenalo was only still a scout when this happened back in 2009. Hear him. On one of the first occasions I met Abramovich he told me, “I want to find a manager that gives my team an identity, because when I watch Chelsea I’m not able to find an identity. When I see Barcelona or Manchester United, I find an identity in the team — when I watch Chelsea I cannot find an identity.” So we changed the style of play — we played with more possession. Logically, you can see the irony of a possession wanting owner later hiring Jose Mourinho can't you? We''l come to this later. All i wanted to point out here is this Vision you attribute to Emenalo actually came from the top, a full two years before Emenalo became TD. Next, we have a situation where Roman aggressively questions his manager's selections AND in some cases tells the manager who he wants in the squad
On the appointment of Emenalo as assistant coach. I didn’t have any personal problem with Emenalo, but he was not comfortable in his new role. He was not used to being an assistant manager — his experience was in scouting — but the club put him there anyway. He was certainly not comfortable in front of the players, because they knew him from his time in a certain role, not in his new position. Ancelotti didn't have a problem with Emenalo, but he rightly felt he wasn't qualified to be an Assistant Manager. Cue TnG's post here. On Roman's aggression: In April we played Manchester United in the Champions League quarter-finals, with the feeling that we would have to win to save our season. His final Verdict? The relationship with the owner, however, was not so good. To break a relationship there are little details that all add up... http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-won-6-0-and-i-was-ordered-to-abramovichs-house-for-a-dressing-down-wbpvpwz85 So in Ancelotti's view Roman was an aggressive meddler. This doesn't sound like Emenalo actually doing anything to undermine Ancelotti. Roman was pretty openly bullying Ancelotti. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:49am On May 26, 2016 |
Dayo was instructed to stick to matters of his club only when he posted a contrary opinion. Now A40's opinion from 3 years ago counts. Ahhh the delicious hypocrisy. Anyway we stay loading... Who's interview should I table next sef? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:58am On May 26, 2016 |
Ibime: Ibime dont you think emenalo should not only be the one to always blame for our transfer woes based on what you quoted and i painted red up there? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:21pm On May 26, 2016 |
Next let's hear from Emenalo himself on Roman. When it comes to decisions, we feel confident we have an owner who has a very good track record, who is astute at making decisions of this kind at the right time to get us to where we want to be. This is echoed by Ray Wilkins here: ! was surprised when Mr Abramovich dispensed with the services of Carlo a year after we won the double and when he sacked Robbie Di Matteo a few months after winning the Champions League. Nobody is allowed to question Roman at Chelsea. Nobody. And that is where our problem lies in my opinion. Anyway Moving on to my final submission on this Emenalo subject... Loading. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:35pm On May 26, 2016 |
If Emenalo wasn't the main guy buying players between 2011 and 2013, then his traducers will at least want to hold him to his 'abysmal record' betwen 2013 and 2016. Let's see what Chelsea have to say about that. From the Chelsea website Today. Marina Gravaskaia, Director: since 2010 has acted as a representative of the owner at the club and in support of the board of directors. She joined the board of Chelsea FC plc and the Football Club Board in June 2013 and is mainly responsible for player transactions. It's even more instructive to note, even though he is now the highest ranking Tracksuit at the club, Emenalo is still NOT on the board. Couple this Knowledge with the Interviews I posted, especially Carlo's...and the picture becomes clearer. Emenalo has way less power at the club than we give him credit and/or abuse for. I'm out yo!
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by usbcable(m): 12:40pm On May 26, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:50pm On May 26, 2016 |
I didnt even realise Morata is still a Madrid player. Mehn we should go for that guy. My main personal target this season though would be Wijnaldum. I love that dude so much. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:40pm On May 26, 2016 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 1:47pm On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: Morata!? I see him struggling in CFC especially with the kind of midfielders and wingers we have. I also think if we can't get a better option to compete directly with Diego then we should make do with traore. Wijnaldum though, is one guy I won't mind us getting. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:06pm On May 26, 2016 |
diggz: Morata can play up front and across the flanks. Traore has not impressed me at all, and I've kinda lost hope in Costa. That midfield conundrum though. I remember watching Fabregas on Monday Night Football a few weeks back, and Carragher was asking him if he would be willing to play the 'Pirlo' role at the base of Midfield for Conte. The guy started yarning dust about ' he doesn't know' and 'he's not the most mobile midfielder'...etc. I'm very interested to see what Conte does with Fab. Wijnaldum can play in Central Midfield and would be a fantastic Box-to-Box option, and may allow us to switch to 433. Another option is Coquelin. That guy wasnt seeing shirt towards to end of the season, and with Xhaka, Ramsey, ElNeny, Wilshere, and Cazorla, Arsenal are well stocked in that department. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 2:45pm On May 26, 2016 |
I don miss o ..... Shey na Emenalo dey cause dis fight, dat man na confusionist .... Make una kontinu till dis thread reach 2000 pages .....
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 3:48pm On May 26, 2016 |
After carefully going through this debate, I humbly submit that Nihilist is on point. Maybe we have been giving Emenalo way too much blame in this thread. Roman should take the largest chunk of blame here. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 4:18pm On May 26, 2016 |
Looks like a tug of war to me. First party says Emenalo is to take the lion share of the blame for how we found ourselves with such a weak, thin and spineless squad. The other party says Emenalo isnt to be blamed because he isn't the one that that recruits play or doesn't have a final say in recruiting players. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 4:39pm On May 26, 2016 |
timbros: Forget what Chelsea says on it's own website. Keep Calm and blame Emenalo
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:04pm On May 26, 2016 |
pamcode: timbros: Nihilist: There's no smoke without a fire. Ibime, myself and the gazillion of writers out there can't just be traveling on the same wavelength and you get to dismiss it as coincidence. There are ugly politicking going down at the bridge which the fans aren't aware of. You only swallow the stuffs the chief media puts up on the official site of the club. Articles upon articles are there to support this claim: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3366251/Michael-Emenalo-Roman-Abramovich-s-guy-Chelsea-technical-director-one-Russian-owner-s-closest-allies-appeared-seal-Jose-Mourinho-s-fate.html [b]Having been promoted in 2011 by Avram Grant, another Abramovich aide, the 50-year-old has seen his role grow, including offering his opinion on the next manager and potential signings. For example, during the previous summer transfer window a £21.7million deal for Augsburg left back Baba Rahman was dragging its heels. One of the reasons was a growing belief that Tottenham's Danny Rose was a better option. Emenalo played a key role in ensuring the Rahman deal made it over the line. Rahman got three Premier League starts under Mourinho. Emenalo also played a key role in the unexpected move for relatively unknown Senegal international Papy Djilobodji from Nantes for £2.7m. The 27-year-old defender played one minute of football under Mourinho. You don't have to be a detective to work out Rahman and Djilobodji were Emenalo productions. Likewise, it was Emenalo, in 2013, who decided a move for Edinson Cavani, then at Napoli, didn't meet Chelsea's financial parameters. Those who know Emenalo describe him as cool and distant. Dealing with the representatives of current and prospective Chelsea players features prominently on his job specification. Unless you've got a direct line to Abramovich's influential boardroom confidant Marina Granovskaia or the first-team manager, then Emenalo is the point of contact. He's guarded, almost poker-faced in his discussions - giving little away in search of the best possible deal for Chelsea - and more pertinently Abramovich.[/b] http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mourinho-sacked-how-chelsea-s-technical-director-michael-emenalo-s-power-grew-at-stamford-bridge-a6779371.html Grant always remembered Emenalo. When, in September 2007, he replaced Mourinho as Chelsea manager the team were preparing to face Valencia in the Champions League and Grant flew Emenalo to Spain to scout them. Emenalo’s plan helped Chelsea to a 2-1 win at the Mestalla on 3 October. Grant introduced Emenalo to Abramovich afterwards and the deal was done to bring the Nigerian to Stamford Bridge as chief scout. “I am going to a club that has a manager that I have the utmost respect for, and I can learn from,” Emenalo said of Grant. “It is a wonderful soccer education for me, like studying for your PhD at Harvard.” Had Emenalo not joined Chelsea he would still have ended up in England. Juande Ramos, his coach at Lleida in the Spanish Segunda Division in the late 1990s, had lined him up for a role at Tottenham Hotspur. Emenalo quickly impressed Abramovich too, with his loyalty, thoughtfulness and football experience, and started his rise through the club. When Ray Wilkins was removed as Carlo Ancelotti’s assistant in November 2010, it was Emenalo who officially replaced him, even if Ancelotti made clear that he would not be taking training, and would be doing largely the same job he had done before. The following year, when Andre Villas-Boas replaced Ancelotti, Emenalo moved into the technical director role he has held ever since. In that job he has overseen transfers and largely built the current Chelsea squad. [b] Of course, his record is mixed. Mourinho was less than impressed with this summer’s activity, leading him to feel that it was difficult for him to succeed in the current structure of the club. Chelsea signed Baba Rahman and Papy Djilobodji, but failed to do a deal for John Stones. This Chelsea squad is largely of Emenalo’s construction, which is why it should be no surprise that he unequivocally sided with the players over Mourinho on Thursday night. He is the only former player in a senior position at the club and that instinctive link with the squad is important. His main loyalty, though, is to Abramovich. He told The Telegraph last month that he was confident Chelsea have “an owner who has a very good track record when it comes to making decisions”, and that “we have never put ourselves in a position where we second-guess him”. Abramovich and Emenalo – along with the rest of the board – have just made one of the biggest decisions of their Chelsea careers. Emenalo was the man trusted to defend it.[/b] I can go on and on to provide you all with articles written by reputable news sites on this issue. Then again, there's no smoke without a fire. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 5:10pm On May 26, 2016 |
Nihilist: We actually need a striker who can compete or completely displace Costa and morata won't do that. Even the amount they are quoting for morata at the moment won't let me look his way. If I can have my way, I will get griezman, bring back bamford and try out traore more often. Nihilist that midfield of ours can make one have serious nightmares. At one time we had makalele,diara,mikel,joe cole,essien,ballack and lampard commanding the midfield. What do we have now, matic, Mikel,fab, oscar (fraud of a brazilian) and RCL(another Mikel when played in the DM position). We clearly need to overhaul that midfield. Fab for all his assist is still a light weight without players who can do the dirty job for him. I sincerely doubt arsense will let one if is pet projects(coquelin) to join us. Which brings us back to the scouting team and whoever makes or initiates the transfer dealings in the club. Sincerely speaking, all fingers still points in the direction of emenalo. I don't mind crediting him both with the good and bad signings. And for me, his bad signings outweighs the good and it simply explains why our midfield is one of the most useless in the entire Europe. |
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