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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 3:11pm On May 29, 2016 |
thorpido:Guy forget that.Even ordinary brainwashed suicide bombers do not cry or pray not die while about to carry out their bad quest which they believe will take them to heaven. Then why the mighty Jesus??. if Jesus can pray and cry not to die, after fully knowing that his death is equal to taking position at right hand side of God's throne and redemption for his follower sins; then I see a big flaw in the belief of Jesus dead for the world's sin. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:16pm On May 29, 2016 |
sladonery:apt! emphasis being on PREDESTINATION ~ those that belong to the tree of Life will all return to where they belong... it is all in the kinda seed! Salvation plan never will mean a thing to those who are the seed of knowledge of good and evil... You cannot carry the DNA match/print of the biological family you don't belong. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by thorpido(m): 3:24pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:Oh well goodluck with your belief then. Jesus said,'it is finished'.What is done cannot be undone. It doesn't matter how anyone chooses to interpret ,condemn or criticise it. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:30pm On May 29, 2016 |
simply put JESUS CHRIST is The Way, The Truth and The Life... |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Abra4real(m): 3:34pm On May 29, 2016 |
Hmmmmm... Many people justifying neutrality. I laugh. I shake my head. Those people you called the born-again Christians, OP, are waiting for something and somebody. And when it comes, it's not going to be quiet at all. 1The. 4:13 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." That means, the real Christians you're talking about have one hope somewhere. I ask you, OP, and everybody supporting living life to its fullest and working hard alone, what hope do you have after death? For we Christians, our hope is, as 1John 3:1-2 says, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew him [Jesus] not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." OUR HOPE, put simply, is to "see him." We're not waiting for "Sai Buhari" to come and deliver Nigeria from corruption and wickednes and looting and many other atrocious acts in this country. Why? Because not matter how anybody operates the country or even any country in the world, it can not be as better as the Kingdom coming (Rev. 21:1 says, And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.) So, work hard, my friend. Pile up money in the bank. Build huge mansions. And forget to tend to your soul. You'd be surprised how fast it will "passed away." On the issue of condeming the other religion or not, yes, that's how people see it. But it's more like pity. And not for those outside alone; many who are inside are not part of us. They're just bench warmers. Let me take JIHAD as an example. Have you seen any Christian group publicly announce to the whole world that they are Christians and they must convert everybody to Christianity? You know the answer. But when you talk about that to the muslims, they argue that they're not muslims. Why wouldn't you see any Christian insurgent group? Simple: the time of the Phillistines, and the Amalekites, and the Hittites, and co., are gone. We're not fighting to take any promise land now. Instead, we're fighting to get into the promised above. I digress. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 3:37pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:that was his humanity... HE walked amongst mortals as a man at that time whereas HE is GOD... HE is 100%man at the time appointed for the perfect Sacrifice though HE is THE creator of The Heaven and Earth and all things therein... THE Holy One who dwells in Light unapproachable...in HIS estate as GOD HE cannot die, and Blood indeed is needed to counter blood... HE condescended to this earthly plain to achieve redemption for man... it's a mystery...but one that a man who can humble himself and open his heart to him will be enlightened... there are things your mental capacity cannot begin to comprehend but must be seen and touched by your Spirit |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by 2cute(m): 3:45pm On May 29, 2016 |
Lilbrown007: Trust me Lilbrown007, we'll cross that hurdle if we ever get there . What matters first is getting into Heaven. But really, you must be quite a funny guy reasoning this way! Lemme hit the submit button before I die of laughter 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oglalasioux(m): 3:53pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady: You can't say you've never digressed to make a point; and my digressions were to the point. I attested to the fact that Noah's flood took place. But it was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh by Moses and his scribes who criminally wrote the Torah to take lands that don't belong to them. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omenka(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2016 |
neocortex:Was about to say exactly the same before I saw your comment. 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omenka(m): 4:03pm On May 29, 2016 |
Babacele:Hmmm. You just couldn't resist the temptation of bringing in a little politics could you? |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 4:29pm On May 29, 2016 |
oglalasioux:Hahahaha...lmao,criminally wrote?! ^^^^^this hogwash right here, is the definition of fallacy!!! funny tho...so what does the epic of Gilgamesh state on the beginnings? In any case as the epic of Gilgamesh is the authority on which you base your arguments, why is history not recorded or should I say the measurement of the process of time not be based upon any of their most auspicious events as we have the process of time measured even circularly and whatever your religious leanings upon BC and AD? secondly, can you trace the genealogy of Adam the first man down to this present age by the epic of Gilgamesh? |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oglalasioux(m): 4:41pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady: BC and AD was adopted by proponents of Christianity. That's point one. Point two is; read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Point three is; I won't argue with you about Adam. He doesn't exist. If you want to know about the genealogy of mankind study science. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 4:52pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady:This is where most religion groups get it wrong. Do you have to be possessed by a spirit, jinn or demon before you understand a scripture?. Assuming you were not born into a christian family, can you just read the Bible; understand it logically and use your discretion to judge how excellent or flawed the book is?. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:06pm On May 29, 2016 |
oglalasioux:convenient for you to say the AD and BC was adopted by proponents of Christianity... that given You cannot discuss about Adam and convenient enough... again, you attest he never existed! point is who was the first man that ever lived upon earth? for the sake of this discuss, do we need science to prove a man's ancestral lineage? maybe, maybe not if records are written... now if you have to refer me to Science when I asked you of the genealogy of mankind when you cited the epic of Gilgamesh...thirdly, how very convenient! I personally have a copy of the epic of Gilgamesh... it is Chronicled by Ur, king of the Chaldeans {ancient Mesopotamia}... Interesting to note, his place is recorded in The Book of Books...Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldeans at some time with his father who is a descendant of Noah.. even accounts that precedes his very own writing {ie the writing of Ur of Mesopotamia }are stated there in the good book.. so now, how do we put the cart before the horse? all of Science no matter the theory of evolution at some point circles back to the account of life in the good book. 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Matoni: 5:16pm On May 29, 2016 |
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses). "...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82). The Qur'an does not preach that Christians will go to hell. Its the ones among Christians that associate partners with God that will go to hell. 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by mozele(m): 5:25pm On May 29, 2016 |
matrix199: are you sure? |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:29pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:let me use this as an analogy... a min old baby instinctively knows where to put it's mouth and suckle upon... the bond between mother and child is not what you underestimate or explain away... that given you are your fathers son, imagine yourself as an eagle who grew amongst chickens... you see yourself in the pond different from other chickens... there's this crave inside of you... then a day comes you hear a cry you never have heard since you were birthed albeit the sound cuts across your soul as familiar as the answer to who you really are... you can decipher what that cry is... it tells your to flap that wing of yours to ascend in flight far above what you never have seen or imagined possible that in itself is the beginning of self discovery of who you truly are...you firstly are a Spirit within a body, the Spirit is You.. your essence not your body... your body only is the legality you need to be on this earthly plain... now that given, The Good book is Spiritual and must be spiritually discerned... now, treasures must be hidden from those who do not understand or appreciate it's value... you so not cast your pearls to swine... only a willing heart thirsty for the Truth will find it. BTW there are seeds of GOD scattered across different religions... the question is finding their way back to their Father... religion was carefully and deliberately crafted to discourage and confuse mankind to the path to take... JESUS CHRIST for this reason clearly stated : I AM, The Way...The Truth... and The Life... no matter your religious views or inclinations drop religion for a min and search for THE TRUTH 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by byteHead(m): 5:42pm On May 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: Nice one 4 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 5:43pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady:This post is just too ambiguous to the extent that i wonder the relationship between my previous post and this your present. Anyways make we rest and let everyone of us continue to hope we are on the right path. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 5:57pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:to the unevolved and unenlightened Soul it is ambiguous... a person who deliberately shut their eyes and refuses to see, will not see 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 6:00pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:to the unevolved and unenlightened Soul it is ambiguous... a person who deliberately shut their eyes and refuses to see, will not see...there is a place for knowledge, there's a place for understanding |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by tunisbaba(m): 6:07pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady:what of a person blinded by religion dogma which made the person lost his/her logical reasoning for judgement of what is wrong and correct. The person is lost indeed |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by TheFirstLady: 6:28pm On May 29, 2016 |
tunisbaba:what is wrong then, what is correct? what is logical to hold in the face of my submissions...has my submissions been illogical thus far? seem like you stand in a better position to school me on religious dogmas! I for one have no religious inclinations...i am just a Spiritually attuned individual with first hand experiences... that given, what is your logical reason of judgement? |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Babacele: 6:55pm On May 29, 2016 |
omenka:no mind me. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by Cybbergeekk: 7:08pm On May 29, 2016 |
The matter is a straightforward one without any room for doubt or ambiguity-JESUS CHRIST is the only means of SALVATION for all mankind. I am aware that many will criticize this position,but it's the truth and the truth has never been popular. As for the multitude of religions,which of them traces its origin back to God as the Founder apart from Judaism and Christianity? Which of them dealt with the issue of sin as comprehensively as Christianity? For those who died without hearing of Christ,they would be judged by the light of Conscience and for those who heard of Christ,the Gospel would be the basis of judgment. As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, no man who has heard of Him,can be neutral-you either have to accept or reject Him. The world's religions are nothing but fallen,sinful man's futile and doomed efforts at reaching out to the Holy God,while in CHRISTIANITY the Holy God Himself thru Jesus Christ reached down to save fallen sinful humanity. 2 Likes |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by musicwriter(m): 7:27pm On May 29, 2016 |
omenka: It's a huge mistake your linking God to religion. Unfortunately, it's popular culture to do so. God has nothing to do with religion!!. The bible, koran, torah, all these books are just trying to explain God. They're not an authority on God. Jesus was not a religious person. In fact, Jesus was against religious people and church (synagogue) leaders of his time. In one instance he was so annoyed at what the religious people were doing that he went into the church (synagogue) destroying the place and chasing away people. Jesus didn't even go to church!!. In another instance he went all the way to farm on Sunday!. And on some cases went out doing charitable work on a Sabbath day (Sunday) and when the church leaders asked him why he didn't go to church he told them "If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?". Please stop seeing God in the eyes of religion, if you want to know the truth. Jesus did not believe in religion. There's no reason anybody who believes in Christ should believe in religion. To answer your question, there's nobody going to any literal hell or heaven. But, of course , there'll be judgement- the judgement you already pass on yourself. On your dying bed, you personally would take a good look at how you spent your life on earth, and you'll know better whether you are a good person or not. That's the judgement. Those who don't pass a good judgement on themselves would simply stop to exist (second death). Those who passed a good judgement on themselves would enter a new form of peaceful and happy everlasting existence which doesn't require a flesh to exist- like wireless networks does not require physical cable to transmit call to your mobile phone. It's a different wavelength of existence and has already been discovered by those who invented the TV and radio, but the discovery was being suppressed by mainstream science and the government. See below video. Eternity explained by science not religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_ZyaBlM0Bc. |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by nelson16(m): 7:42pm On May 29, 2016 |
It is duty of everyone to seek that path that God has commanded men to follow in order to find Him. No man has any excuse before God! A man should test every spirit, rather than just believe anything. Salvation is for all, free for that matter. The true seeker will surely find Him! 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by ochubaebube(m): 9:02pm On May 29, 2016 |
In all the religions, u would have noticed that there is a sub-conscious yet non-man-made acknowledgement of the claring differences between EVIL and GOOD or Right and Wrong. Irrespective of the religion u are in, u know that certain things are wrong while some are right. To be at the center, u keep doing those things ur clear conscience tells u are right. At the end, if there is an after-life, u would surely make it to d right side because It isn't likely that a 'God' will not accept someone who has been right almost truout his life. In everything, keep a clear conscience! |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by stainlex(m): 9:16pm On May 29, 2016 |
johnydon22: In complete support of your stance, here's a Nabokov quote that puts things in perspective. "The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness. Although the two are identical twins, man, as a rule, views the prenatal abyss with more calm than the one he is headed for (at some forty-five hundred heartbeats an hour)" 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by omjudae: 9:28pm On May 29, 2016 |
I want to say categorically here that for anyone to avoid hell, there's only one nonviolent way to follow which is Christ! Read the book of John 3:16-18, and the last few verses. Never bother about those who have gone, they are examples for us to make a very good choice. Be mindful of your own very SOUL!!! |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by amicable09(f): 9:39pm On May 29, 2016 |
Babacele:Lol. Babacele, this shows you know me a little to have called me up on this one! Lemme go through the topic, I'll comment on it if no one has said what I have to say. Thanks for the mention. 1 Like |
Re: The Christian Doctrine Of Salvation And The World's Religions by oluamid(m): 9:43pm On May 29, 2016 |
TheFirstLady: Clap for yourself, you just went back to the middle ages.. . In 2016! How ironic is it that the same argument used by the protestant to wrest the bible/church away from the Roman Catholic Church is the same that 'unbelievers' will use for modern day Christians. The Bible should not be a book you need special powers to understand. Q. E. D. |
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