Hi guys. . . Seems our science section is beginning to slack a bit these days and getting somewhat dry and unsciency.

I am here yet again to propose a new discourse thread.

This is a thread i am particularly open to entertain questions regarding [size=18]the cosmos, astronomy, astrophysics.[/size] and a butter of healthy philosophy.

And also have a very good discussion on them....

Here i will not pick questions to answer but will attempt all to the best i can and for the religiously inclined who always somehow bears a religious view toward the above said disciplines i am also open to answer your questions based on my own opinions that i will never at any time claim absolute truth or correct.

The questions asked are as always open to discussion but i'd appreciate if do not argue or engage in any emotional batters...

I'd even love for it to have a strictly science tilt but since the cosmos also invokes a sense of spirituality and somewhat religiosity in most, i am inclined to also leave the floor open to accommodate such questions as regards the cosmos.

Please i will love for us to keep this sane and orderly with a good stack of intellectual riches and enlightening discussions.

the floor is open

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what was before the universe began?

Shuo!! First to comment. Today na my day oooo

Let me start with a basic one :

It is said that there is a massive blackhole in the "core" of this milkyway galaxy. If so, how is it this galaxy is still "standing" (figure of speech) Shouldn't it be destroyed by now

Also, talking about Blackholes. How do we know they exist since they trap light. I mean, how do you detect something you can't see

No one knows........... yet

krazykoons:
what was before the universe began?

Why did you steal my spot

SirWere:
No one knows........... yet :-XWhy did you steal my spot

sorry for stealing your spot,
any probable explanation for cosmological origin

krazykoons:
what was before the universe began?

This is a very delicate question and i'd start by saying Nobody is certain about it yet ..

Some hold that there was nothingness and a vacuum and quantum fluctuations in this vacuum gave rise to matter.
But since Vacuums represents the lowest level and i mean the lowest lowest of energy frequency it cannot be called Nothing then in my own opinion.

So I'd say Energy is my best shot to answering this but this energy must have been at a very miniscule frequency.

Dark Energy some may call it.

But i'd like to also add that if this energy was before the Universal and is directly the interacting value for the causality of the universe then this energy is also the universe.

so can then rephrase this question to what was before the universe as it appears now

which then will be "Energy at a very low frequency [/b]

SirWere:
Shuo!! First to comment. Today na my day oooo

Let me start with a basic one :

It is said that there is a massive blackhole in the "core" of this milkyway galaxy. If so, how is it this galaxy is still "standing" (figure of speech) Shouldn't it be destroyed by now

the reaches of a blackhole is actually very limited to it's event horizon, so the galaxy is pretty much very safe.

Also, talking about Blackholes. How do we know they exist since they trap light. I mean, how do you detect something you can't see

-Gravitational lensing
-behaviours of other objects in contact with a blackhole.

For example when studying to find if there is a blackhole in the center of the galaxy, telescopes were focus to the core for weeks and months studying the behaviours of the objects.

The stars in the center seemed to have a very weird and hazardous behaviour, there were all orbiting a point that seemed to be nothing but still had an enormous gravitational effect on them.

With strong elliptical orbits they would speed up on nearing this point of seeming nothing and hauled back through their orbit back again.

these elliptical orbits all stretch through different directions for different stars but all orbited a common center of Mass that appeared as nothing..

it was the calculated behaviour expected from objects orbiting a blackhole.

That confirmed the existence of a massive blackhole in the core of the milky way.

SirWere:
Shuo!! First to comment. Today na my day oooo

Let me start with a basic one :

It is said that there is a massive blackhole in the "core" of this milkyway galaxy. If so, how is it this galaxy is still "standing" (figure of speech) Shouldn't it be destroyed by now

Also, talking about Blackholes. How do we know they exist since they trap light. I mean, how do you detect something you can't see

black holes are detected through the behaviours of objects around and also how they obstruct light,

I'd like to discuss on space, space being the phenomena that permits objects to be located in a reference towards others... It is virtually endless,yet began with everything else...
I do have ideas that space might be a remnant of the source of physical existence itself,after all without space nothing could go into any thermodynamic state or exist atall.

And another is,could it actually be foolhardy that non-existence is in reality impossible... as a complete nothingness is unattainable by any mass or massless body?

johnydon22:


This is a very delicate question and i'd start by saying Nobody is certain about it yet ..

Some hold that there was nothingness and a vacuum and quantum fluctuations in this vacuum gave rise to matter.
But since Vacuums represents the lowest level and i mean the lowest lowest of energy frequency it cannot be called Nothing then in my own opinion.

So I'd say Energy is my best shot to answering this but this energy must have been at a very miniscule frequency.

Dark Energy some may call it.

But i'd like to also add that if this energy was before the Universal and is directly the interacting value for the causality of the universe then this energy is also the universe.

so can then rephrase this question to what was before the universe as it appears now

which then will be "Energy at a very low frequency [/b]

energy fluctuations in vacuum?
a space entirely devoid of matter,energy is form of matter

krazykoons:
energy fluctuations in vacuum?
a space entirely devoid of matter,energy is form of matter

actually it's backwards... matter is a condensed form of energy..
But what Johnny is talking about is energy that exists in a vacuum... vacuum energy..

davien:
I'd like to discuss on space, space being the phenomena that permits objects to be located in a reference towards others... It is virtually endless,yet began with everything else...
I do have ideas that space might be a remnant of the source of physical existence itself,after all without space nothing could go into any thermodynamic state or exist atall.

And another is,could it actually be foolhardy that non-existence is in reality impossible... as a complete nothingness is unattainable by any mass or massless body?

I also hold this position that there cannot or was there ever absolute nothingness.

But if space began at a point then musn't there also be a platform unlimited and boundless too but distinct in characteristic necessary for space to expand?

This leans towards bubble universe with inter-universal space in between them.

davien:
I'd like to discuss on space, space being the phenomena that permits objects to be located in a reference towards others... It is virtually endless,yet began with everything else...
I do have ideas that space might be a remnant of the source of physical existence itself,after all without space nothing could go into any thermodynamic state or exist atall.

And another is,could it actually be foolhardy that non-existence is in reality impossible... as a complete nothingness is unattainable by any mass or massless body?

physical existence should be the results of primordial energy,space being one of the important part of existence
nothingness or non existence is impossible in reality because being a function of space and time,reality should relationship and influences of between bodies.

krazykoons:
energy fluctuations in vacuum?
a space entirely devoid of matter,energy is form of matter

Yes energy is not matter actually rather matter is a form of energy but both are relative.

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can change from one form to another" matter may be destroyed but the energy within cannot.

So in a vacuum there is no matter..

So when i talk about this lowest energy frequency, i am referring to a very low energy frequency that might have through the course of it's slow and consistent evolution reached the point to be the universe as we know it now.

davien:
actually it's backwards... matter is a condensed form of energy..
But what Johnny is talking about is energy that exists in a vacuum... vacuum energy..

can we say vacuum energy is the same as the highs boson or God particle

johnydon22:


I also hold this position that there cannot or was there ever absolute nothingness.

But if space began at a point then musn't there also be a platform unlimited and boundless too but distinct in characteristic necessary for space to expand?

This leans towards bubble universe with inter-universal space in between them.

Hmmmm... I've read that the multiverse having every set of universe could arise from quantum fluctuations making every possible configuration of existence possible...

But why does empty space have quantum fluctuations? ... could it be a mere property like the four sides of a square or an emergent property of something else, an exotic phenomenon perhaps?..

krazykoons:
can we say vacuum energy is the same as the highs boson or God particle

No... those are particles and fields that interact with space...

krazykoons:
can we say vacuum energy is the same as the highs boson or God particle

High's boson particle is a fundamental particle of force lurking deep in the quantum dimension deep within the microscopic world.

standard model defines the Higgs particle as a boson with no spin , electric
charge , or colour charge .

It is also very unstable, decaying into other particles almost instantaneously..

The macro state is built from tiniest most simple, weird and basic fundamental particles.

Highs Boson particle is just one of those fundamental particles

davien:
No... those are particles and fields that interact with space...

what effects could they have with space and energy,because it seems the higgs bosons little and physical insignificant they may seem have the high irregularities of vaccum energy
cc johnydon22

davien:
Hmmmm... I've read that the multiverse having every set of universe could arise from quantum fluctuations making every possible configuration of existence possible...

But why does empty space have quantum fluctuations? ... could it be a mere property like the four sides of a square or an emergent property of something else, an exotic phenomenon perhaps?..

This begs the question, Is empty space really empty?

And what if by saying Empty we are neglecting the fact that this space may be something……

This is just like an empty cup is it really empty?

Nope it is filled to the brim with air molecules.

krazykoons:
what effects could they have with space and energy,because it seems the higgs bosons little and physical insignificant they may seem have the high irregularities of vaccum energy

Those particles are largely responsible for one of effects of the four fundamental forces in the universe... the weak force.. specifically it's short range.

johnydon22:


This begs the question, Is empty space really empty?

And what if by saying Empty we are neglecting the fact that this space may be something……

This is just like an empty cup is it really empty?

Nope it is filled to the brim with air molecules.

What about the empty space between the individual atoms of air, that-is from the electron to its nucleus.... the atomic radii.

It's 99% of the entire atom yet atoms make up everything we see.. doesn't this mean we are only experiencing the 1% of reality?

And bonus question Is that space really empty?

krazykoons:
what effects could they have with space and energy,because it seems the higgs bosons little and physical insignificant they may seem have the high irregularities of vaccum energy
cc johnydon22

There are four basic forces known in the universe (whether there is a fifth remains with a broad question mark ??)

and these forces are.

Strong Nuclear force ----- Fundamental particle is Gluons

Weak nuclear force ------ fundamental particle is W and Z boson

Electromagnetism ----- fundamental particle is Photons.

Gravity ----- Fundamental particle is gravitons.

The bosons are responsible for the weakest interacting forces in the cosmos..

davien:
What about the empty space between the individual atoms of air, that-is from the electron to its nucleus.... the atomic radii.

It's 99% of the entire atom yet atoms make up everything we see.. doesn't this mean we are only experiencing the 1% of reality?

That is where it gets weirder. . . Maybe beyond our perceptions of the fundamental blocks there are even smaller chips behind them to which we are blind to, matter of size this time.

our experience of what is might even be far more smaller than that figure

I am of the opinion that nature evolved from this most fundamental level to this

And bonus question Is that space really empty?

I doubt

johnydon22:


That is where it gets weirder. . . Maybe beyond our perceptions of the fundamental blocks there are even smaller chips behind them to which we are blind to, matter of size this time.

I am of the opinion that nature evolve from this most fundamental level to this



I doubt

I often imagine that the smallest thing in existence may be so weird we'd never be able to comprehend it even if we saw it.... or even in another plane or dimension so weird it'll turn our heads upside down..

davien:
I often imagine that the smallest thing in existence may be so weird we'd never be able to comprehend it even if we saw it.... or even in another plane or dimension so weird it'll turn our heads upside down..

I think it so too but i doubt if we ever going to be able to see it at all since it is almost not there if you judge from the dimension of our size level.

johnydon22:


I think it so too but i doubt if we ever going to be able to see it at all since it is almost not there if you judge from the dimension of our size level.

True.. but one thing that's thrilling to me is the subatomic world seems almost fantasy-like but it's responsible for our cause and effect everyday universe.

davien:
True.. but one thing that's thrilling to me is the subatomic world seems almost fantasy-like but it's responsible for our cause and effect everyday universe.

Exactly... the quantum world to me is a distinct universe of it's own. . . We might be looking for parallel universe outside this but maybe it is already staring at us in the form of the building blocks of ours.

Here are two parallel worlds.

-The macro world is a world where things are governed by the laws of physics.
-the quantum world is so different that it turns all the laws of Physics prevalent in this macro state upside down but yet is the foundation of the macro world.

Cause and effect doesn't tie the quantum world down but yet rules in the macro world.

Here is a state of ruling laws of physics that was build on a state that faults these laws.

It's a progression and evolution of nature, going from the lawless quantum spooky part accumulated to become a physical part that is driven by the physical laws of it's contents.

It's just crazy...

johnydon22:


There are four basic forces known in the universe (whether there is a fifth remains with a broad question mark ??)

and these forces are.

Strong Nuclear force ----- Fundamental particle is Gluons

Weak nuclear force ------ fundamental particle is W and Z boson

Electromagnetism ----- fundamental particle is Photons.

Gravity ----- Fundamental particle is gravitons.

The bosons are responsible for the weakest interacting forces in the cosmos..

but it is speculated that the bosons gives matter their masses not forgetting "matter" with its effects on space and the universe at large