n3xt:
I guess I'm not the only one who doesn't fancy the roof style. More reason, I tried to make them look smaller and put some life (in form of variations) in them.
If I can have a house without a roof, I'll do without any regret.

I don't fancy high roof either. The highest I will go is 16ft.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


I don't fancy high roof either. The highest I will go is 16th.

Hajji M.

Definitely not the way to go for complex roof designs. Especially if you want roofs that makes statement.
This type of roofs takes too much of my attention especially when battling with the shapes.

Interesting thing is this, as complex as they were, I've never had anyone complained to me about any of the roofs we did under normal work condition.

Kingpost: 16'

Respect to the king of architecture (Ihebrooke) who designed most of these roofs for us. And more respect to all the crew who worked tirelessly to make them a reality.

@brabus...You derived utility from Ihebrooke's work. Utility is the satisfaction derived from paying for a product or service.
I prefer a flat roof any given day but above all, I prefer a roof terraces. It makes the roof a livable space or a roof garden

EgunMogaji:


I like the quality of masonry work in this picture. Very neat and straight.

PS: To those currently aggrieved, regardless on what is going on in your site, I still reserve my right to praise quality work when I see it.

#BabyBathWater

Quality is ingrained into every project we handle.

Check this out! Read with an open mind.

Same builder. Same worker. Within the same period of time. Different result.
Big Question: What went wrong with PortHarcourt?

Too complex for the builder? Or Sabotage?

Am I right to say the project in picture 2 is the most complex based on the shape of their roof?


Nairaland, I hail una.

babalose:
@brabus...You derived utility from Ihebrooke's work. Utility is the satisfaction derived from paying for a product or service.

Yeah! We did complement each other's work. I can imagine if we decided to do things differently on site because of the complexity of the roof design. This is exactly what happen in most cases. People tend to do things differently on site to save cost.

The gutters in most of Sir Ihebrooke's designs is enough to throw a builder off balance because it means a lot of attention needs to be paid to this areas.

The architects design would have been rubbished if we did what suits us on site.

n3xt:


Yeah! We did complement each other's work. I can imagine if we decided to do things differently on site because of the complexity of the roof design. This is exactly what happen in most cases. People tend to do things differently on site to save cost.

The gutters in most of Sir Ihebrooke's designs is enough to throw a builder off balance because it means a lot of attention needs to be paid to this areas.

The architects design would have been rubbished if we did what suits us on site.

Or in some cases, not all, improved upon.

EgunMogaji:


Or in some cases, not all, improved upon.

Of course, yes!

Some designs are only feasible on paper and 3D to clients delight. It doesn't necessarily mean they're good design. I've had to school an architect on these in one of my project here. Though the client asked us to do it the architects way after series of meetings to make them see what will happen and it wasn't long that they saw the result of the bad design.

Check out this non-visible flat roof designs and pick the best design that will prevent leakages and is maintenance free.

Architects in the house, you're free to join us in this.

n3xt:


Of course, yes!

Some designs are only feasible on paper and 3D to clients delight. It doesn't necessarily mean they're good design. I've had to school an architect on these in one of my project here. Though the client asked us to do it the architects way after series of meetings to make them see what will happen and it wasn't long that they saw the result of the bad design.

Check out this non-visible flat roof designs and pick the best design that will prevent leakages and is maintenance free.

Architects in the house, you're free to join us in this.

So the slab in the 2nd pic acts like a rain gutter?

EgunMogaji:


So the slab in the 2nd pic acts like a rain gutter?

It's not the gutter. Gutter is made with a waterproof welded galvanized steel box.
Note: Galvanized Steel Box and not the traditional Aluminium gutters or plastic.

But the most often overlooked part of flat roof gutter design is the volume of water. The more the rain, the heavier the weight of water on the guttering system and the more susceptible to failure it becomes.
So introducing at least 450mm wide slab will take care of the extra weight during heavy rain.

Much better and cheaper in the long run than having to go and do maintenance on the roofs.

No mind am na him engineer be him problem and that one is definitely from his tribe

abdulwastecx:


I don't really want to derail too much here, but statement like '' you guys should just know what you did out of pride and vote Mr right next three years'' is very wrong and should never be used in formal discuss.

In democracy people have the right to vote based on their personal experiences and conviction labeling Yorubas as Nigeria problem because they refused to vote for your prefer candidates that has proved to be a failure is very wrong.... I am a yoruba and I am not your problem

n3xt:
Visible 12.5^deg Slope Flat Roof | The Reserve by NextHome (2014)

@Builders and Engineers in the house:

I am just wondering why is it that a 'wooden' facing Board is used on a roof, and then an Aluminium is placed over it, to serve the same "facing board" purpose?

My thought is that if you are going to use an Aluminium over that space, why not just use 2x2's at the top and bottom ....and then nail the Aluminium to it?
instead of nailing the Aluminium to a full-sized facing board?

The advantage to this method is in COST and WEIGHT (a 12ft x (12" x 1" facing Board is replaced by TWO 12ft x (2" x 2" ).

Or are there other reasons for having both at the same time, one on top of each other?

Lets share opinions.




Lastpage!

Baba lastpage, why do you want to work us out for nothing this morning.

You mentioned cost and weight and not the most important thing "FUNCTIONALITY"
Does the proposed idea have any major advantage over the traditional approach?

If it does, what happens to the soffits (external ceilings)?

2 X 2 wood at the top and down leaves at least 4" space in the middle, wide enough to cause greater damage to the roof during windstorm.

The fascia boards helps to keep the cladding material straight and it is a fairly easy task to fix long lengths "dead straight" that do not move once fixed.
This is practically near impossible with 2 X 2 woods which will warp and bend in shape when exposed to harsh conditions.

Cost: 2x2 up and down will require some cut braces at the centers to hold it firm. At least, one 2x2 wood per length. This increase the cost in so many ways. Material, Labour and Time.

Installation: more difficult to install ceilings and cladding materials on 2" wood than 1" boards.

Maintenance: more easier and faster to maintain fascia boards than woods.


Extra Cost

Material: woods, nails, braces
Labour: extra cost of bracing the woods. The man hour spent also increases
Time: it'll cost additional time to nail 2 woods, the braces and the noggins.


________
Contrary views will be highly appreciated. We are here to learn.

...Our Identity, Our Pride

n3xt:
Baba lastpage, why do you want to work us out for nothing this morning.

You mentioned cost and weight and not the most important thing "FUNCTIONALITY"
Does the proposed idea have any major advantage over the traditional approach?

If it does, what happens to the soffits (external ceilings)?

2 X 2 wood at the top and down leaves at least 4" space in the middle, wide enough to cause greater damage to the roof during windstorm.

The fascia boards helps to keep the cladding material straight and it is a fairly easy task to fix long lengths "dead straight" that do not move once fixed.
This is practically near impossible with 2 X 2 woods which will warp and bend in shape when exposed to harsh conditions.

Cost: 2x2 up and down will require some cut braces at the centers to hold it firm. At least, one 2x2 wood per length. This increase the cost in so many ways. Material, Labour and Time.

Installation: more difficult to install ceilings and cladding materials on 2" wood than 1" boards.

Maintenance: more easier and faster to maintain fascia boards than woods.


Extra Cost

Material: woods, nails, braces
Labour: extra cost of bracing the woods. The man hour spent also increases
Time: it'll cost additional time to nail 2 woods, the braces and the noggins.


________
Contrary views will be highly appreciated. We are here to learn.

Oga Brabus,

Thank you for your response.
I also understand the meaning of that "Lastpage" of your Notebook, though mine is not always like that because l have a separate jotter for such things!

Back to topic:

You have completely misunderstood what l am inferring!

For ease of reference, l have further highlighted areas l am referring to.

Where you have those yellow lines, is where the 2x2 wood will be (without the facing board in place in this scenario).
So, you will have three lines of 2x2 wood running along those three yellow lines.
The Marron-colored Facing Board will be nailed to them.

I will address each issue you raised (which l highlighted in red), one after the other

First, functionality (function of covering that place l arrowed in my post) is achieved by the attached Aluminium covering in Maroon color.
So whether you use a facing board under it ..or you use a 2x2 wood at both edges (where l marked yellow), you will achieve the same functionality, by nailing the Maroon coloured Aluminium, to the wood beneath it.
So, that is taken care-of.

Soffits: The Soffits are nailed to the two lines of 2x2 at the bottom, the same way you will nail them to the 1x12 facing Board and a 2x2 running along the wall. Difference here is that you are using less wood (equivalent of 1x4x12. This is where the cost savings and weight savings come-in)

4" space in the middle: Once the 2x2 woods are in place (running along the yellow lines), the Maroon coloured Aluminium fascia is then nailed to it so, essentially, there is NO SPACE in-between the 2x2 wood on top and below ...because that space is now covered with the Aluminium (Blue-color in your picture of that house)
Thus, your assertion about wind-damage is completely not going to occur.
If it can ever occur, then it will also occur with a 1x12 Wood Fascia but l am sure it cant because there is no space for the wind to enter.


Keeping fascia cladding "straight and ease of fixing": How straight the Fascia cladding is, is determined by the wood underneath it.
If you use a "strong and straight" wood (same as you would use in your 1x12), then the Aluminium (Maroon color) cladding you nail to it will be straight as well. if not it wont be straight, whether it is 2x2 or 1x12

Woods only warp when they are not properly processed and dried before use and if they are the soft type of wood.
Now, if "all things being equal", ....if you apply the same criteria to both situations, you willget the same result for a 1x12 or a 2x2.
again, no difference there.

On "ease of fixing", once you have the "wooden frame" in place, l think nailing the Aluminium cladding to the wood, is same for both cases. Place it on it and hammer the nail-in. What else?

Braces: the wood that the Wooden facing board is nailed to, is a 2x4 or a 2x4, l believe. (Correct me if l am wrong on this).

Now, the 2x2 will need a brace between the upper line and the lower line, in a few places because they would also be nailed to the 2x4 or 2x4 mentioned above, which the 1x12 is nailed to.
So, yes, you will need a few braces but the cost and effort is very insignificant.

Now, for the positives, the 2x2 arraignment is cheaper to maintain because you wil be replacing cheaper wood (2x2) which is four times cheaper than an equivalent length of 1x12 (for example, if a 2x2 of Itara wood is #350, a 1x12 of the same wood is about #1400).
To replace a length of the fascia when there is a problem, at worst, you will replace two of the 2x2 but in replacing one of the 1x12, you will spend double.
Thus, the 2x2 arrangement is CHEAPER in this way of maintenance.

I also mentioned WEIGHT of the overall wood on the house.
Hard Woods are generally very heavy.
Compared to a 1x12, the 4" space between the upper lines and the lower lines, when a 2x2 wood is used, represent 2/3rds of 67% of REDUCED WEIGHT. This is very significant in builds where the overall weight of the building (dead loads) are critical to the survival of the building.

Overall, l think the COST savings and WEIGHT advantage of the 2x2, trumps the relative ease of nailing the Aluminium Fascia to the 1x12.

I hope l have been able to explain better now.... as you will observe, your response was not comparing what l had in mind to what you explained.
Thanks,



Lastpage!

Aside: can you please share names of Hardwoods that are "comparatively light in weight" ...and still a hardwood. (You know most of them are very dense and heavy)

Baba lastpage, I will not go on this wild expendition just because of N10,000 savings. I've already made enough savings using with board/plank fascia instead of concrete, aluminium or steel fascia

The maximum savings you'll get in a house of 15m x 24m is less than 25k.

As per weight, the weight imposed by fascia boards is too insignificant to be worried about.

I'll be more interested in reducing the weight of the joists.

Good afternoon house, I did this design for a client in Ph. The yellow highlighted strip lighting on the stone wall was a design feature integrated during the planning stage and should be part of the building. we dont have much of these light strips here in Nigeria, My question is "how best can one achieve these strips (a durable one and should be burried in the wall with a sort of break on the stone walling). the only idea i have is like the ones on hotel facades or so( the moving fancy lights). then is that the only obtainable means?

Arnoldfish:
Good afternoon house, I did this design for a client in Ph. The yellow highlighted strip lighting on the stone wall was a design feature integrated during the planning stage and should be part of the building. we dont have much of these light strips here in Nigeria, My question is "how best can one achieve these strips (a durable one and should be burried in the wall with a sort of break on the stone walling). the only idea i have is like the ones on hotel facades or so( the moving fancy lights). then is that the only obtainable means?

You could use luminous glow in the dark paint. It's low maintenance.
I have only the green color that can last visible up to 8 hours.

Here's a builder that gets it. I bet it's not a Nigerian outfit.

Good solid job.

@gbadexy....why are people not using the luminous glow mix for personal house?

NO KNOWLEDGE IS LOST.

EgunMogaji:
Here's a builder that gets it. I bet it's not a Nigerian outfit.

Good solid job.

Baba, you don't mean it. What do you take Nigeria Construction Industry for?

I'm ready to accept your bet. It's an indigenous steel construction company from Osun or Ibadan that did the job.

Not even Lagos.

n3xt:


Baba, you don't mean it. What do you take Nigeria Construction Industry for?

I'm ready to accept your bet. It's an indigenous steel construction company from Osun or Ibadan that did the job.

Not even Lagos.

I take the Nigerian construction industry for what they display.

I stand by my comment and the bet

Simultaneous carpentry and bricklaying going on.

Not bad for an alleged Mortuary Attendant and one block laid a year

Continuous thanks to all the builders and non builders that share and show #WhatsPossible

EgunMogaji:


I take the Nigerian construction industry for what they display.

I stand by my comment and the bet

Check out Brossette website http://brossette.com.ng/portfolio.html

babalose:
@gbadexy....why are people not using the luminous glow mix for personal house?

NO KNOWLEDGE IS LOST.

It's costly and not readily available in nigeria.
I got a pound sample for $105 over a year ago before dollar skyrocketed.
A diasporan nairaland client/ brother helped me bring it over. It would have been much more costly.
It can be ordered on request through the courier service though.
It has so much application such as indicating direction in building in case of blackout or fire incidence with loss of power.
It can even be applied on roads and tarmac to mark road path without bothering with electricity.
We simply substitute the pigment in floor paint with it and use the industrial adhesive for heavy traffic for durability in floor use.
The company sells the finished product too but it's much costly.
I quickly smeared a sample on the wall and activated it withtorchlight on my phone.

n3xt:


Check out Brossette website http://brossette.com.ng/portfolio.html

I know who they are and I know they're French

brossette Nigeria Ltd was incorporated in January 1960 as a subsidiary of brossette Group in Lyon France

The last two pictures clearly shows two expatriates.

Show me the last build that you, Skimanski, Aventures, Spyder880, RichYoungRuler, KolaShangOne, ArchitectB did in all full steel subframe.

EgunMogaji:


I know who they are and I know they're French

brossette Nigeria Ltd was incorporated in January 1960 as a subsidiary of brossette Group in Lyon France

The last two pictures clearly shows two expatriates.

Show me the last build that you, Skimanski, Aventures, Spyder880, RichYoungRuler, KolaShangOne, ArchitectB did in all full steel subframe.

Is this how things are done abroad? Jack-of-all-trades.

There are no specialist trade contractors. Once you're a builder, you are supposed to do everything.

Just asking cos you seem to come from a fantastically developed world totally different from ours.

n3xt:



Is this how things are done abroad? Jack-of-all-trades.

Seems you have some research to do. Please share findings.

There are no specialist trade contractors. Once you're a builder, you are supposed to do everything.

Not much difficulty for a seasoned and progressive builder to erect either steel or wooden studs.

Just asking cos you seem to come from a fantastically developed world totally different from ours.

Nope, I'm a citizen of two well grounded countries, each with their own qualities. One has built a residence in space, and one is....well....

So I'm still waiting for that indigenous Nigerian builder that is building steel framed structures, similar to what I showed, even in Lagos

I *think*DominionNG showed an estate being built based on this. I'll like to research the company's home of residence too

EgunMogaji:


So I'm still waiting for that indigenous Nigerian builder that is building steel framed structures, similar to what I showed, even in Lagos

I *think*DominionNG showed an estate being built based on this. I'll like to research the company's home of residence too

Call Brossette. The contact details are there. This is 2016 and not 1960 that it was incorporated.

The French have gone. Na James, Mukaila and Lasisi dey there now

There are thousands of them.

n3xt:


Call Brossette. The contact details are there. This is 2016 and not 1960 that it was incorporated.

The French have gone. Na James, Mukaila and Lasisi dey there now

There are thousands of them.

Nope, no interest in calling them. They're an international company with a robust web precense and they've told me who they are in detail on their "About Us" page.

In regards to the thousands of them, well I'm from Missouri, the show me state

This below wasn't engineered and overseen by mukaila and Kasali on their own.

EgunMogaji:

Show me the last build that you, Skimanski, Aventures, Spyder880, RichYoungRuler, KolaShangOne, ArchitectB did in all full steel subframe.

Oga Egungun... remember, a Client has to request it. If someone like you can lay the money down, you will surely get someone in the midst of Brabus to do it..
Nothing is impossible in Nigeria anymore unless you don't have the money or the interest.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Oga Egungun... remember, a Client has to request it. If someone like you can lay the money down, you will surely get someone in the midst of Brabus to do it..
Nothing is impossible in Nigeria anymore unless you don't have the money or the interest.

Hajji M.

In case it came out as if I was lambasting our most able builders, I apologize and it wasn't meant as such.

I know specifically that Skimanski can absolutely get it done, no doubt.

All I'm questioning is why haven't we seen it so far.

If clients haven't requested it then that's the answer.

But are clients the only person that they build houses for?

Why didn't Spyder880 and Brabus used steel studs on their own personal homes?

EgunMogaji:

In case it came out as if I was lambasting our most able builders, I apologize and it wasn't meant as such.
I know specifically that Skimanski can absolutely get it done, no doubt.
All I'm questioning is why haven't we seen it so far.
If clients haven't requested it then that's the answer.
But are clients the only person that they build houses for?
Why didn't Spyder880 and Brabus used steel studs on their own personal homes?

Yes.. "Client Request" the answer.
Why not Spyder880 and Brabus as the scapegoat?... I can't answer that... they can also turn around and say how come Egungun and Hajji didn't try it?

I remembered Spyder was looking into options of using steel roofing instead of wood sometimes ago... when the guy gave us the quote, nah to die.
So we all just sempe... Really more advantages into using steel as roofing wood... at least you no go remember Solignum anymore...

Hajji M.