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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:00pm On May 31, 2016
mufutau55:


Yes.. "Client Request" the answer.
Why not Spyder880 and Brabus as the scapegoat?... I can't answer that... they can also turn around and say how come Egungun and Hajji didn't try it?

I remembered Spyder was looking into options of using steel roofing instead of wood sometimes ago... when the guy gave us the quote, nah to die.
So we all just sempe... Really more advantages into using steel as roofing wood... at least you no go remember Solignum anymore...

Hajji M.

And I'll answer them that I indeed tried as a client in Ibadan but could not get someone affordable that could do it without using my build as a scapegoat.

Every single custom home that I've built in the USA had a model that the builder built to showcase to clients.

I'm still researching steel roof.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 9:05pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I will not go on this wild expendition just because of N10,000 savings.
I've already made enough savings using with board/plank fascia instead of concrete, aluminium or steel fascia

The maximum savings you'll get in a house of 15m x 24m[b] is less than 25k.[/b]

As per weight, the weight imposed by fascia boards is too insignificant to be worried about.

I'll be more interested in reducing the weight of the joists.

Okay, no problem, it is inherent in your post that you made a tacit admission that using a 2x2 over a 1x12 Fascia board is "relatively cheaper", no matter how small the "savings" is....... and imposes a reduced weight, no matter how small the difference is.

My point of view has to do with "learning to improve and do things in a batter way, based on having an open mind to new methods.
Its not just a wild argument of "who is right".

I will wait for other opinions and point of view on the proposition.

Thanks for your contribution.



Lastpage!

BTW: You mean you have used Steel fascia in the past? shocked
Hmmmm.... Dearis God O!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 9:16pm On May 31, 2016
double-posted in error.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 9:36pm On May 31, 2016
Please room, I want to know the current prices for the following building materials in oyo state :
1. 3/4 gravel or granite as the case may be
2. Sand
3. Block
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:43pm On May 31, 2016
Baba lastpage, I don try. I'm not Goodluck Jonathan. Let someone else share the alternative offerings. I know I'll be adding something new pretty soon but for now let me rest.

In the pics attached are all the fascia materials used on various NextHome projects.

1. Wood Fascia | The Reserve, 2014
2. Concrete Fascia | The Chateau in Ile Oluji, 2013
3. Aluminium Fascia | Diamond Estate, 2012
4. Extruded Aluminium Profile Fascia | Plot 10AB LKH, 2015


Not done steel yet!

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:44pm On May 31, 2016
abdulwastecx:
Please room, I want to know the current prices for the following building materials in oyo state :
1. 3/4 gravel or granite as the case may be
2. Sand
3. Block

Granite 20 tons = N65,000 delivered, full load
Sand = N1,000 per ton
Block = 6" N110 - 9" N130

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:49pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:


But are clients the only person that they build houses for?

Why didn't Spyder880 and Brabus used steel studs on their own personal homes? wink

Because I cannot afford it yet! Also, my personal build cannot have all the must-haves and nice-to-have features of every client.

It has Aquaphonic pond instead of swimming pool. Both are water features but serve different purpose.

#talkingaboutscapegoat
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:00pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


Because I cannot afford it yet! Also, my personal build cannot have all the must-haves and nice-to-have features of every client.

It has Aquaphonic pond instead of swimming pool. Both are water features but serve different purpose.

#talkingaboutscapegoat

Strictly speaking about steel studs, nothing else wink

#IleLatiNkesoRode
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:02pm On May 31, 2016
lastpage:


My point of view in this particular quest, has to do with "learning to improve and do things in a better way, based on having "an open mind to new methods".
Its not just a wild argument of "who is right".


Unfortunately, I'm not willing or going to adopt this new method. It looks like MC Hammer's Pant to me. It should be patented.

Baba you remember the look-at-me-trouser na?

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:08pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:


Strictly speaking about steel studs, nothing else wink

#IleLatiNkesoRode

And inside the house there are different types of jewelries... Gold, Silver, Panda, etc.

Each man as he deems fit.

Like a deaf speaking to a dumb.

Roof. Wood. Chateau - Nothing more grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:18pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


And inside the house there are different types of jewelries... Gold, Silver, Panda, etc.

Each man as he deems fit.

Like a deaf speaking to a dumb.

Roof. Wood. Chateau - Nothing more grin

More like a squid trying to educate a seal grin

#SteelStuds
#NotTrinkets
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:20pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:


More like a squid trying to educate a seal grin

#SteelStuds
#NotTrinkets

Orule. Pako. L'abule

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:27pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


Orule. Pako. L'abule

Honest money orule.

No allegations, none grin

FDisk = no recovery grin

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 10:29pm On May 31, 2016
Oga brabus what a lot of croc I say. You still attach 2 by 2 to the lower fascia board anyway and provided they still machine cut the aluminium there is no difference both aesthetics and functionality. All the shops were for the most part done in this way. Just a little harder to fit the aluminium and for storey buildings I no want too much moaning from the fitters or worst them requesting for more money.


n3xt:
Baba lastpage, why do you want to work us out for nothing this morning.

You mentioned cost and weight and not the most important thing "FUNCTIONALITY"
Does the proposed idea have any major advantage over the traditional approach?

If it does, what happens to the soffits (external ceilings)?

2 X 2 wood at the top and down leaves at least 4" space in the middle, wide enough to cause greater damage to the roof during windstorm.

The fascia boards helps to keep the cladding material straight and it is a fairly easy task to fix long lengths "dead straight" that do not move once fixed.
This is practically near impossible with 2 X 2 woods which will warp and bend in shape when exposed to harsh conditions.

Cost: 2x2 up and down will require some cut braces at the centers to hold it firm. At least, one 2x2 wood per length. This increase the cost in so many ways. Material, Labour and Time.

Installation: more difficult to install ceilings and cladding materials on 2" wood than 1" boards.

Maintenance: more easier and faster to maintain fascia boards than woods.


Extra Cost

Material: woods, nails, braces
Labour: extra cost of bracing the woods. The man hour spent also increases
Time: it'll cost additional time to nail 2 woods, the braces and the noggins.


________
Contrary views will be highly appreciated. We are here to learn.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:32pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:


Honest money orule.

No allegations, none grin

FDisk = no recovery grin

Someone pls call 911. Someone's dinner is coming too late.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:34pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


Someone pls call 911. Someone's dinner is coming too late.

Who the hell eats diner at 230PM wink

#StayHardOrGoHome
#BanteringAndStillMakingThatDollar
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:40pm On May 31, 2016
I can't figure out this style. I think it's Craftsman style.

I love the no fascia board look.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:49pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:
I can't figure out this style. I think it's Craftsman style.

I love the no fascia board look.

That's exposed beam ceiling. Still possible but with a very creative carpenter and more importantly is the need for an eave angle or uPVC gutters at the edge of the roofing sheet.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:52pm On May 31, 2016
gabbytabby:
Oga brabus what a lot of croc I say. You still attach 2 by 2 to the lower fascia board anyway and provided they still machine cut the aluminium there is no difference both aesthetics and functionality. All the shops were for the most part done in this way. Just a little harder to fit the aluminium and for story buildings I no want too much moaning from the fitters or worst them requesting for more money.



Honestly, I'll try to understand the 2x2 fascia when I dedicate my life to ultimate re search or when there's a mission call.

For now, I'll stick to my guns.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:53pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


That's exposed beam ceiling. Still possible but with a very creative carpenter and more importantly is the need for an eave angle or uPVC gutters at the edge of the roofing sheet.

I know the construction name but what era is it from?

I'll research and report back. If anyone cares wink

I think we've beat that steel stud to death already, let's move on to another e-argument topic, I have 3 hours to kill.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:54pm On May 31, 2016
EgunMogaji:


I know the construction name but what era is it from?

I'll research and report back. If anyone cares wink

I think we've beat that steel stud to death already, let's move on to another e-argument topic, I have 3 hours to kill.

grin grin

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:04pm On May 31, 2016
n3xt:


grin grin

I don't care for the font that you use to post.

I think it's elitist and reeks of entitlement.

wink grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Empiree: 1:55am On Jun 01, 2016
This Story Appears To Be The Type Of Story About "omo onile" We earlier Discussed. This is rather silly.
http://naijagists.com/how-ogun-area-boys-stabbed-luth-doctor-adekoya-cole-to-death-over-unpaid-land-settlement-fee/
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:06am On Jun 01, 2016
Empiree:
This Story Appears To Be The Type Of Story About "omo onile" We earlier Discussed. This is rather silly.
http://naijagists.com/how-ogun-area-boys-stabbed-luth-doctor-adekoya-cole-to-death-over-unpaid-land-settlement-fee/

For sure, it's a deadly situation but this one is extreme and there must more to the story.

You see the "parasite does not kill the host", so this one has k leg. They even killed a babalawo if I read it correctly.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 3:13am On Jun 01, 2016
I wonder the functionality of this structure. I will like to know the builder of this building. We need more builders with such experience.


EgunMogaji:
Here's a builder that gets it. I bet it's not a Nigerian outfit.

Good solid job.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 3:25am On Jun 01, 2016
I can bet you that the white dude in that picture is the one that assemble or coordinate the members. Osun or Ibadan bawo!


n3xt:


Baba, you don't mean it. What do you take Nigeria Construction Industry for?

I'm ready to accept your bet. It's an indigenous steel construction company from Osun or Ibadan that did the job.

Not even Lagos. grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 3:34am On Jun 01, 2016
n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I don try. I'm not Goodluck Jonathan. Let someone else share the alternative offerings. I know I'll be adding something new pretty soon but for now let me rest.

In the pics attached are all the fascia materials used on various NextHome projects.

1. Wood Fascia | The Reserve, 2014
2. Concrete Fascia | The Chateau in Ile Oluji, 2013
3. Aluminium Fascia | Diamond Estate, 2012
4. Extruded Aluminium Profile Fascia | Plot 10AB LKH, 2015


Not done steel yet!

I actually, l think you are the "twin brother" of Goodluck Jonathan, .....from another father! grin grin
You both have an uncanny knack for "over-aggressively" defending yourself, while flip-flopping,....... even when no one is attacking you! Coupled with the fact that you both dont enjoy any public trust in your areas of speciality shocked shocked
Infact, if not that Nigerians have said "never again", l would have wagered that you will also be the next PDP-President! grin grin\

n3xt:
Baba lastpage, I will not go on this wild expendition just because of N10,000 savings. I've already made enough savings using with board/plank fascia instead of concrete, aluminium or steel fascia

..............

You are the one that said you had done "STEEL" Fascia.... not me!
Only to show ALUMINIUM Fascia!
Okay, l get it! "America will know" that "Steel" and "Aluminium" are the same. undecided undecided

BTW: I thanked you for your contribution, at the beginning of my post.... then l finally thanked you for your contribution, at the end of my post, adding that l am waiting on the contribution of "others".
What is it that you dont understand in that?
and you have to be complaining that someone is worrying you, like you are some kind of "Holy Grail" in construction?

Abeg, take am easy o. I never said YOU or anyone, MUST adopt the option... its just an "open academic discourse" l am having here.

Again, THANK YOU... for your contributions to my question....now, give others a chance please!



Lastpage!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:38am On Jun 01, 2016
true2home:
I wonder the functionality of this structure. I will like to know the builder of this building. We need more builders with such experience.


I got it from this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3138126/aregbeshola-projects-project

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 3:43am On Jun 01, 2016
Boss, the flat board is structural. The board is a part of the roof structure. It combines all the rafter just like a ring lintel tights the four walls of the house together. its out of convenience that the aluminum is attached to the board nowadays for aesthetic

lastpage:


Oga Brabus,

Thank you for your response.
I also understand the meaning of that "Lastpage" of your Notebook, though mine is not always like that because l have a separate jotter for such things! grin grin

Back to topic:

You have completely misunderstood what l am inferring!

For ease of reference, l have further highlighted areas l am referring to.

Where you have those yellow lines, is where the 2x2 wood will be (without the facing board in place in this scenario).
So, you will have three lines of 2x2 wood running along those three yellow lines.
The Marron-colored Facing Board will be nailed to them.

I will address each issue you raised (which l highlighted in red), one after the other

First, functionality (function of covering that place l arrowed in my post) is achieved by the attached Aluminium covering in Maroon color.
So whether you use a facing board under it ..or you use a 2x2 wood at both edges (where l marked yellow), you will achieve the same functionality, by nailing the Maroon coloured Aluminium, to the wood beneath it.
So, that is taken care-of.

Soffits: The Soffits are nailed to the two lines of 2x2 at the bottom, the same way you will nail them to the 1x12 facing Board and a 2x2 running along the wall. Difference here is that you are using less wood (equivalent of 1x4x12. This is where the cost savings and weight savings come-in)

4" space in the middle: Once the 2x2 woods are in place (running along the yellow lines), the Maroon coloured Aluminium fascia is then nailed to it so, essentially, there is NO SPACE in-between the 2x2 wood on top and below ...because that space is now covered with the Aluminium (Blue-color in your picture of that house)
Thus, your assertion about wind-damage is completely not going to occur.
If it can ever occur, then it will also occur with a 1x12 Wood Fascia but l am sure it cant because there is no space for the wind to enter.


Keeping fascia cladding "straight and ease of fixing"
: How straight the Fascia cladding is, is determined by the wood underneath it.
If you use a "strong and straight" wood (same as you would use in your 1x12), then the Aluminium (Maroon color) cladding you nail to it will be straight as well. if not it wont be straight, whether it is 2x2 or 1x12

Woods only warp when they are not properly processed and dried before use and if they are the soft type of wood.
Now, if "all things being equal", ....if you apply the same criteria to both situations, you willget the same result for a 1x12 or a 2x2.
again, no difference there.

On "ease of fixing", once you have the "wooden frame" in place, l think nailing the Aluminium cladding to the wood, is same for both cases. Place it on it and hammer the nail-in. What else?

Braces: the wood that the Wooden facing board is nailed to, is a 2x4 or a 2x4, l believe. (Correct me if l am wrong on this).

Now, the 2x2 will need a brace between the upper line and the lower line, in a few places because they would also be nailed to the 2x4 or 2x4 mentioned above, which the 1x12 is nailed to.
So, yes, you will need a few braces but the cost and effort is very insignificant.

Now, for the positives, the 2x2 arraignment is cheaper to maintain because you wil be replacing cheaper wood (2x2) which is four times cheaper than an equivalent length of 1x12 (for example, if a 2x2 of Itara wood is #350, a 1x12 of the same wood is about #1400).
To replace a length of the fascia when there is a problem, at worst, you will replace two of the 2x2 but in replacing one of the 1x12, you will spend double.
Thus, the 2x2 arrangement is CHEAPER in this way of maintenance.

I also mentioned WEIGHT of the overall wood on the house.

Hard Woods are generally very heavy.
Compared to a 1x12, the 4" space between the upper lines and the lower lines, when a 2x2 wood is used, represent 2/3rds of 67% of REDUCED WEIGHT. This is very significant in builds where the overall weight of the building (dead loads) are critical to the survival of the building.

Overall, l think the COST savings and WEIGHT advantage of the 2x2, trumps the relative ease of nailing the Aluminium Fascia to the 1x12.

I hope l have been able to explain better now.... as you will observe, your response was not comparing what l had in mind to what you explained.
Thanks,



Lastpage!

Aside: can you please share names of Hardwoods that are "comparatively light in weight" ...and still a hardwood. (You know most of them are very dense and heavy)

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by danowena: 3:59am On Jun 01, 2016
gbadexy:

You could use luminous glow in the dark paint. It's low maintenance.
I have only the green color that can last visible up to 8 hours.

How much are the luminous glow paint?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Arnoldfish(m): 4:07am On Jun 01, 2016
lastpage:


Okay, no problem, it is inherent in your post that you made a tacit admission that using a 2x2 over a 1x12 Fascia board is "relatively cheaper", no matter how small the "savings" is....... and imposes a reduced weight, no matter how small the difference is.

My point of view has to do with "learning to improve and do things in a batter way, based on having an open mind to new methods.
Its not just a wild argument of "who is right".

I will wait for other opinions and point of view on the proposition.

Thanks for your contribution.



Lastpage!

BTW: You mean you have used Steel fascia in the past? shocked
Hmmmm.... Dearis God O!
even if 2x2 seem to be relatively cheaper which I doubt, i bet you that whatever you save from wood purchase will go into the cost of labour for carpentry if not more. Due to the rigorous work to be done. Compare cutting a length of 1x12 and nailing to cutting of those little joists/ bracers

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