Nihilist:

You know my Pops Christensen Snr. is telling me to have faith in Conte. I'm giving my pops the benefit of the doubt bruh, only time will tell.

Kolade354:
Drinkwater dropped.
Hodgson should have drop rashford.
England will fail in this year euros.

England goes into yet another tournament without midfield depth. Na dem dey do themselves. Please tell me Henderson didn't make squad over Drinkwater.

Vardy, Rooney, Kane, Sturridge and Rashford is overkill. Dem for leave Rashford at home for now.

Ibime:


England goes into yet another tournament without midfield depth. Na dem dey do themselves. Please tell me Henderson didn't make squad over Drinkwater.

Vardy, Rooney, Kane, Sturridge and Rashford is overkill. Dem for leave Rashford at home for now.

Rooney is unofficially a midfielder these days, as is Dier, so they have the numbers there.

I agree that Rashford should have stayed at home, though knowing Roy he would probably play Rashford on the right ahead of vardy like he did against Australia

Wheelchair and\or henderson over Drinkwater is unforgivable

Nihilist:


That was just the most disgusting thing.

Wheelchair hasnt played full 90 minutes this season and hasnt even been fit for the last 3 or 4 years.
Henderson has played less than 20 games.

Roy took them and dropped Drinkwater. Didn't even bother to call up Albrighton. Biggest example of big name bias ever. Even if you are a key contributor to a title winning team, Jack Wheelchair will still make the team before you

This is what has killed the English NT over the years. Picking players out of sentiments. Underperforming players make the team. While those ready to fight for the team are left behind.

I fully expect them to flop as usual with that squad...

AdeLaNa1:
This is what has killed the English NT over the years. Picking players out of sentiments. Underperforming players make the team. While those ready to fight for the team are left behind.

I fully expect them to flop as usual with that squad...

That squad is actually still very solid, even without Drinkwater.

The problem is that if Woy couldn't even make the right decision over Drinkwater, can he be trusted to get anything right?

There only one natural wide player in that squad sef and based on form, I don't know if sterling should even make the team

Townsend was Newcastles best player towards the end of season was dropped for a Rashford that in reality has no real hope of starting in a central striking position with Kane fit.

He took a Barkley that has been off-form and unfit all season, and left Mark Noble who captained his team into Europe.

Make no mistake. It's not the team that would flop, it's Woy Hodgson

Nihilist:


My list was actually quite logical.

Chambers is young and English...and can play across multiple positions. He has too much competition at Arsenal. Thats the reason hes not seein shirt. Per/Kolscieny/Gabriel at CB. Bellerin/Debuchy/Jenkinson at Right Back, and no space at all in midfield. That boy is good enough for a squad place at least in a team like ours where he have only one natural rightback and a plethora of CBs that are in the struggle.

This guy was a starter for Arsenal until Bellerin came along, and I don't think getting displaced by the best Right Back currently in the league is anything to be ashamed about.

I personally like the idea of a Chambers-Zouma pairing very much. That's a good mix of youth, strength, mobility, technical ability and athleticism right there. I also wouldn't mind Jenkinson at all sef come to think about it.

Thanks man

Nihilist:


My list was actually quite logical.

Chambers is young and English...and can play across multiple positions. He has too much competition at Arsenal. Thats the reason hes not seein shirt. Per/Kolscieny/Gabriel at CB. Bellerin/Debuchy/Jenkinson at Right Back, and no space at all in midfield. That boy is good enough for a squad place at least in a team like ours where he have only one natural rightback and a plethora of CBs that are in the struggle.

This guy was a starter for Arsenal until Bellerin came along, and I don't think getting displaced by the best Right Back currently in the league is anything to be ashamed about.

I personally like the idea of a Chambers-Zouma pairing very much. That's a good mix of youth, strength, mobility, technical ability and athleticism right there. I also wouldn't mind Jenkinson at all sef come to think about it.

Jesus phucking Christ!

When your competition are Per Mertesacker, Koscielny, Debuchy, Gabriel and Bellerin, yet somehow you're riding the bench, then you're phucking no good. Bar Bellerin, none of these fellas deserve a first team shirt at Chelsea, not to speak of a ninja who rides the bench for them.

Jeez! How can you even consider such figure for Chelsea? When did we become a ground for local rejects? Do you actually have plans for us to relegate next term?

We need leadership in this team and like someone rightly said, this ain't the time to be talking about Reece, Oxford, Calum or some unproven ninja.

Nihilist take time oo.

smh@keky

Please why are we hearing megamillions being quoted for Alvaro Morata?

That dude is somewhat of a Giroud in his style of play - slow and one-dimensional.

He's yet to hit 10 league goals in any season of his career so I don't understand the numbers being bandied about.

Ibime:
Please why are we hearing megamillions being quoted for Alvaro Morata?

That dude is somewhat of a Giroud in his style of play - slow and one-dimensional.

He's yet to hit 10 league goals in any season of his career so I don't understand the numbers being bandied about.

Hype hype hype.

The ninja is yet to prove himself in one full season in a poor league as the Serie A.

Griffon:


Jesus phucking Christ!

When your competition are[b] Per Mertesacker, Koscielny, Debuchy, Gabriel and Bellerin[/b], yet somehow you're riding the bench, then you're phucking no good. Bar Bellerin, none of these fellas deserve a first team shirt at Chelsea, not to speak of a ninja who rides the bench for them.

Jeez! How can you even consider such figure for Chelsea? When did we become a ground for local rejects? Do you actually have plans for us to relegate next term?

We need leadership in this team and like someone rightly said, this ain't the time to be talking about Reece, Oxford, Calum or some unproven ninja.

Nihilist take time oo.

I dont understand how you people underate some players sometimes.

Arsenal had the joint second best defence in the league this season. So clearly their back four was faaaar better than ours.
Last year they had the 3rd best defence in the league and Chambers was a major part of that.

Koscielny is in my opinion one of the best defenders in the league. Chambers was actually first choice RB for Arsenal last season. And like I said, it's not a disgrace to be benched by the best right back currently in the league.

This same guy was actually ahead of John stones in England pecking order too. Bellerin just stalled his development. With both Per and Koscielny above 30 now...it's clear that this guy is potentially not far from replacing them.

You need to start seeing the big picture. Robert Huth is an example of a player that was sold in summer 2015 by Stoke because he wasnt being benched by freaking Shawcross and Geoff Cameron.

See the big picture Sam!

Nihilist:


I dont understand how you people underate some players sometimes.

Arsenal had the joint second best defence in the league this season. So clearly their back four was faaaar better than ours.
Last year they had the 3rd best defence in the league and Chambers was a major part of that.

Koscielny is in my opinion one of the best defenders in the league. Chambers was actually first choice RB for Arsenal last season. And like I said, it's not a disgrace to be benched by the best right back currently in the league.

This same guy was actually ahead of John stones in England pecking order too. Bellerin just stalled his development. With both Per and Koscielny above 30 now...it's clear that this guy is potentially not far from replacing them.

You need to start seeing the big picture. Robert Huth is an example of a player that was sold in summer 2015 by Stoke because he wasnt being benched by freaking Shawcross and Geoff Cameron.

See the big picture Sam!

No one is under-rating anyone here, this is fact staring at you brah.

Arsenal's backline has Coquelin to thank for the accolades that keep coming their way. Take the ninja away and you get to see the weak tired side of that goddamned defence.

I wonder why mates don't get to give this ninja the credits he deserve. This guy was the best DM in the league last two seasons followed closely by Matic, raking in the highest number of tackles and interceptions. He's the engine room that covers the arse of Arsenal's backine, dealing with the most difficult jobs whilst leaving his backline with little or no worry at all. Take him away from that team and Mertesacker would remind you how much he lacks pace and athleticism, Koscielny would show you clearly the sorta erratic defender he is and Gabriel, need I say anything about this inexperienced fella?

This niggas ain't world class and anyone who's riding the bench for 'em must be uber-crap.

Chambers ahead of Stones? That's akin to celebrating Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan in FIFA ranking.

@ Nihilist,

I don't see chambers as a 2,not 4,not 5 and definitely not 6.

I can't remember watching a game he played and impressed.

Griffon was only trying to be polite when he called chambers uber-useless. Chambers na wetin actually wetin Warri dey call, OTELE!!

Griffon:


No one is under-rating anyone here, this is fact staring at you brah.

Arsenal's backline has Coquelin to thank for the accolades that keep coming their way. Take the ninja away and you get to see the weak tired side of that goddamned defence.

I was waiting for this.

In 2013/2014, Arsenal had the 4th best defence in the league. 3rd best in the top 4. Coquelin played less than 90 minutes all season.
In 2014/2015 Arsenal had the 3rd best defence in the league. Admitedly Coquelin was imperious for Arsenal, but he got his first start on the 28th of December, Arsenal had the joint 4th defence in the league!
In 2015/2016, Coquelin racked up around 1600 minutes...thats roughly around 18 games...or less than half the number of league games in a season.

In fact, if you were paying attention to Arsenal this season, you would note that towards tail end of the season, Coq barely featured at all for the gunners....yet they racked up the joint second best defence in the league!

I dont think Wenger considers Coquelin as important as you think he is, considering he has reportedly spent around 40m on 2 defensive midfielders within the last 6 months.

I wonder why mates don't get to give this ninja the credits he deserve. This guy was the best DM in the league last two seasons followed closely by Matic, raking in the highest number of tackles and interceptions. He's the engine room that covers the arse of Arsenal's backine, dealing with the most difficult jobs whilst leaving his backline with little or no worry at all. Take him away from that team and Mertesacker would remind you how much he lacks pace and athleticism, Koscielny would show you clearly the sorta erratic defender he is and Gabriel, need I say anything about this inexperienced fella?

I think I've don justice to this. Like I said, Coq has been removed from the team, and the Arsenal backline was still one of the strongest in the country.

This niggas ain't world class and anyone who's riding the bench for 'em must be uber-crap.

Chambers ahead of Stones? That's akin to celebrating Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan in FIFA ranking. cheesy

I can't think of up to 5 world class centre backs in the game today. P.S dont forget that Chambers is a RB that can play at CB and DM. His main competition is really Bellerin at Arsenal. But if he's on the bench for the 2 of the most consistent defenders in the league over the last few years , is that really a bad thing?

That being said, I still think that Chambers can do a job for us. A very good job in fact.

I also think we should sign that Coquelin. With Wheelchair back, Ramsey, Cazorla, and the 2 new swiss imports, I think that we might be able to tempt him to west london....Wenger should better comply too. Shebi we gave them Cech?

diggz:
@ Nihilist,

I don't see chambers as a 2,not 4,not 5 and definitely not 6.

I can't remember watching a game he played and impressed.

Griffon was only trying to be polite when he called chambers uber-useless. Chambers na wetin actually wetin Warri dey call, OTELE!!

That is your opinion which obviously counts. Griffon's opinion also counts.

All the stats I posted earlier was just to try and defend my own opinion that Chambers who featured in the Arsenal 1st team before Coq was vital to the team, was also a big part of that defence, particularly in the 1st half of the season.

I believe that Chambers can at least be a good squad player for us due to his versatility, and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be a good centre back in future.

Let's not discuss opinions, cos as we've seen, that goes nowhere pretty fast

Nihilist:


That is your opinion which obviously counts. Griffon's opinion also counts.

All the stats I posted earlier was just to try and defend my own opinion that Chambers who featured in the Arsenal 1st team before Coq was vital to the team, was also a big part of that defence, particularly in the 1st half of the season.

I believe that Chambers can at least be a good squad player for us due to his versatility, and I have no doubt in my mind that he will be a good centre back in future.

Let's not discuss opinions, cos as we've seen, that goes nowhere pretty fast

This really cracked me up

I get you bro and I hear you clearly. And, you are definitely correct about me using my opinion to judge him.

Well I hope he eventually proves you right at the end of the day but, I had rather have him do it else where.

What we need is to give some of our young players a chance to play for the senior team not buying more new young players to come and occupy useful space.

I am sure you are still gutted over how lukaku(especially) and kdb was frustrated out of CFC. We will keep see more of how players run for their life's and careers. Because if we have a Brazilian right back in Wallace then we go buying chambers to occupy space. Or when we have traore we head out to spend cash on a useless player like morata

Please,if we must buy at all we should get quality players at all cost,if not we should put in our young boys and start playing some of them.

Griffon:


No one is under-rating anyone here, this is fact staring at you brah.

Arsenal's backline has Coquelin to thank for the accolades that keep coming their way. Take the ninja away and you get to see the weak tired side of that goddamned defence.

I wonder why mates don't get to give this ninja the credits he deserve. This guy was the best DM in the league last two seasons followed closely by Matic, raking in the highest number of tackles and interceptions. He's the engine room that covers the arse of Arsenal's backine, dealing with the most difficult jobs whilst leaving his backline with little or no worry at all. Take him away from that team and Mertesacker would remind you how much he lacks pace and athleticism, Koscielny would show you clearly the sorta erratic defender he is and Gabriel, need I say anything about this inexperienced fella?

This niggas ain't world class and anyone who's riding the bench for 'em must be uber-crap.

Chambers ahead of Stones? That's akin to celebrating Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan in FIFA ranking.

What else can we say? O ti so tan.

diggz:


This really cracked me up

I get you bro and I hear you clearly. And, you are definitely correct about me using my opinion to judge him.

Well I hope he eventually proves you right at the end of the day but, I had rather have him do it else where.

What we need is to give some of our young players a chance to play for the senior team not buying more new young players to come and occupy useful space.

I am sure you are still gutted over how lukaku(especially) and kdb was frustrated out of CFC. We will keep see more of how players run for their life's and careers. Because if we have a Brazilian right back in Wallace then we go buying chambers to occupy space. Or when we have traore we head out to spend cash on a useless player like morata

Please,if we must buy at all we should get quality players at all cost,if not we should put in our young boys and start playing some of them.

Lukaku and Mata to be honest. KDB I didn't really rate cos I didn't see a lot of him

Yeah you're right about the youngsters. Christensen(the real one ) is coming back with Ake so Hopefully that bodes well.

I'm probably the only one on the thread that seems interested in what Papy has to offer. The guy seems to have done quite well in Germany but nobody wants to even know him.

Nihilist:


I can't think of up to 5 world class centre backs in the game today. P.S dont forget that Chambers is a RB that can play at CB and DM. His main competition is really Bellerin at Arsenal. But if he's on the bench for the 2 of the most consistent defenders in the league over the last few years , is that really a bad thing?

That being said, I still think that Chambers can do a job for us. A very good job in fact.

I also think we should sign that Coquelin. With Wheelchair back, Ramsey, Cazorla, and the 2 new swiss imports, I think that we might be able to tempt him to west london....Wenger should better comply too. Shebi we gave them Cech?

Stats certainly lie. Same Arsenal's defence you've been hailing as one of the best in the country is the same backline that would concede bucketload of goals in a single game. Shey no be just last two years we forward six past those ninnies. Mediocrity is intrinsic to that backline's character.

Speaking of world class CBs, ATM's Jose Gimenez can cut it in this league. I've been scouting this ninja for seasons and I tell you, he's one of the best. I heard Zidane is weighing up a bid for him already.

Rudiger is another fella wey sabi but I doubt we can have him now that Roma just made his transfer a permanent deal.

We fit manage Benatia? The nigga needs a home

Griffon:


Stats certainly lie. Same Arsenal's defence you've been hailing as one of the best in the country is the same backline that would concede a bucketload of goals in a single game. Shey no be just last two years we forward six past those ninnies. Mediocrity is intrinsic to that backline's character.

I dont see how the Stats can lie here. If you concede fewer goals than your opponents over the course of the season, then you have a better defence than your opponents...even if you chop 6-0 in a game. Case in question, despite taking that 6-0 drubbing, Arsenal still conceded the 4th fewest goals that season.

If you go back to 2011/2012 when Manyoo chopped 6 from City, they still finished the league with the 2nd best defence in the league. So one or two off games clearly do not make a defence 'intrinsically mediocre' to paraphrase.

Speaking of world class CBs, ATM's Jose Gimenez can cut it in this league. I've been scouting this ninja for seasons and I tell you, he's one of the best. I heard Zidane is weighing up a bid for him already.

Rudiger is another fella wey sabi but I doubt we can have him now that Roma just made his transfer a permanent deal.

We fit manage Benatia? The nigga needs a home grin grin grin

Personally, I feel that any defender would look great once Simeone gets his hands on him. ATM are a defensive side by default. It's difficult to tell if it's the case of the defender looking good because of the system, or the system looking good because of the defender with Atletico.

My main concern is the cost. Leicester had a very profound effect on me this season, they've changed my outlook to transfer signings and players. I don't know if it's because I used to follow the club, or if its the shock of this anomalous season, because ATM have been doing the same thing on a bigger scale and I just didnt take as much notice.

Anyway, I am no longer convinced that big name signings matter. I've just witnessed Wes Morgan and Danny Simpson win the league. My way of thinking now is that the system beats individuals. The system trumps midfield. The system doesn't need defenders.

All you need are one or two very potent goal threats. For all Kante's hard work, Vardy and Mahrez were the ones who really won the league. Everybody else could afford to just sit back and defend because they had Vardy and Mahrez to take that 1 chance when it appeared.

That's just one system.

I think Sir Rednose did it too by creating a system to bypass midfield and give the ball to RVP.

I think we had it too when our attack was still functioning. So i'm thinking - create the system, feed it cheap but decent players, and win the title.

Easier said than done I guess...but that's currently where my head is at.

Nihilist:



Lukaku and Mata to be honest. KDB I didn't really rate cos I didn't see a lot of him

Yeah you're right about the youngsters. Christensen(the real one ) is coming back with Ake so Hopefully that bodes well.

I'm probably the only one on the thread that seems interested in what Papy has to offer. The guy seems to have done quite well in Germany but nobody wants to even know him.

Pappy at best is an average defender, not good for Chelsea's level. He might have performed well at Weder Bremen but they escaped relegation playoffs at the last day of the season. He was a panic buy by Emenalo when all the main transfer targets couldn't be achieved, guys like Stones, Varane, etc.

Christensen:


Pappy at best is an average defender, not good for Chelsea's level. He might have performed well at Weder Bremen but they escaped relegation playoffs at the last day of the season. He was a panic buy by Emenalo when all the main transfer targets couldn't be achieved, guys like Stones, Varane, etc.

My point is that we don't know for sure because he has never been tested at Chelsea's level

Azpilicueta was an average player from an average club When he signed for us. Cahill signed from Bolton who would be relegated that seasom. Where did Ivanovic come from sef? Or Zouma for that matter

Yet these guys have won almost everything thing there is to win with us, and played integral roles too.

I don't believe that one of the highest ranked players(by whoscored) in thr Bundesliga is not good enough for a Chelsea place. I really don't.

Nihilist:



Lukaku and Mata to be honest. KDB I didn't really rate cos I didn't see a lot of him

Yeah you're right about the youngsters. Christensen(the real one ) is coming back with Ake so Hopefully that bodes well.

I'm probably the only one on the thread that seems interested in what Papy has to offer. The guy seems to have done quite well in Germany but nobody wants to even know him.

As for mata , I only get to miss him when we are playing against inferior teams not quality or tough oppositions.

Kindly permit me to say this is were ibime,griffon and I,are in total agreement. Our central midfield was/is totally useless and could never accommodate a luxury like mata. Same reason mou left the chicken head Oscar bcuz at least he will tackle and try to win back possession unlike mata at CFC. So you see we will need serious ballers with great technique, stamina ,strength, pace,brains for us to accommodate players like mata.

Nihilist:


My point is that we don't know for sure because he has never been tested at Chelsea's level

Azpilicueta was an average player from an average club When he signed for us. Cahill signed from Bolton who would be relegated that seasom. Where did Ivanovic come from sef? Or Zouma for that matter

Yet these guys have won almost everything thing there is to win with us, and played integral roles too.

I don't believe that one of the highest ranked players(by whoscored) in thr Bundesliga is not good enough for a Chelsea place. I really don't.

Hope you see mangala and otamendi ?

RANDOM QUESTION:



Nihilist! What do you think of "rashfords" inclusion in the england squad? Are you also of the opinion like harry redknapp that he won't play? And in general I think england has a squad capable of doing "something special" in this summers euros! What are your honest feelings about what you expect from them and who are the likely chaps you expect to lead the team on the pitch?




I'm only asking you and ibime these questions because you are both the only 2 chaps I know on this thread that are currently in the diaspora and not because I'm trying to open my pandoras box as usual (lol)... but I also hope everyone else can contribute! Cheers!


Cc: Nihilist and Ibime!

diggz:


Hope you see mangala and otamendi ?

Mangala is not from a highly ranked league anyway.

And the jury is still out on Otamendi, though it's looking like he's not worth the amount he went for.

BossKratos:




RANDOM QUESTION:



Nihilist! What do you think of "rashfords" inclusion in the england squad? Are you also of the opinion like harry redknapp that he won't play? And in general I think england has a squad capable of doing "something special" in this summers euros! What are your honest feelings about what you expect from them and who are the likely chaps you expect to lead the team on the pitch?

I don't think Rashford would play in the number 9 position, barring injuries and suspension to Kane and Sturridge.

In the second half against Australia, Woy moved him to play wide right, and that's where I see him any getting game time, as a sub,

If it were up to me, I would play a flexible 352 formation like this.

.............Hart...........
...... Smalling.....Dier........Stones
...........Clyne\Walker....Milner...Alli.............Bertrand
....Rooney
......Kane\Sturridge Vardy

This easily morph into a 442 diamond with Dier stepping up to midfield and the wingbacks dropping back against teams with strong midfields, Or a 433 with Vardy and Rooney going wide.


I definitely agree that this team has potential. But England has been having potential since the dinosaurs ruled the earth.

Nihilist:


My point is that we don't know for sure because he has never been tested at Chelsea's level

Azpilicueta was an average player from an average club When he signed for us. Cahill signed from Bolton who would be relegated that seasom. Where did Ivanovic come from sef? Or Zouma for that matter

Yet these guys have won almost everything thing there is to win with us, and played integral roles too.

I don't believe that one of the highest ranked players(by whoscored) in thr Bundesliga is not good enough for a Chelsea place. I really don't.

These guys you mentioned (Azpi, Cahill, Iva and Zouma) were scouted by many other clubs and were known before. Everyone knew they had potential to be good or great players and Chelsea was just lucky these players chose to sign for them coz other clubs wanted them too. Nobody knows Pappy Djilouboji and no big club wants him, he was nothing but a panic buy forget about WhoScored ratings, would he get into Bayern or Dortmund? No.

England has been having Potential since the dinosaurs ruled the Earth.

The Queen must hear this.

RDM signs for Aston-Villa.

As this is the 2nd championship club he is managing, I think it's safe to assume that this his natural level.

The Premier League will provide nearly 20% of the players at Euro 2016 - more than any other league.

A total of 103 players out of the 552 will come from the English top flight, ahead of the German Bundesliga, which will be represented by 57 players.

Spain's La Liga, whose clubs Sevilla and Real Madrid won the 2016 Europa League and Champions League titles, will only have 34 players in France.

A study byPolish site Ekstrastatsalso calculates that the English Championship will provide 31 players, more than France's Ligue 1.

Liverpool and Juventus are the best represented clubs with 12 players, with 11 from Tottenham and 10 from Manchester United.

Eighteen of the 24 countries will contain players from the Premier League.

The Wales squad contains 13 players from the English top flight, while the Republic of Ireland and Belgium both have 12.

All stats are based on clubs at the end of 2015-16.

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The best league in the world

Raumdeuter come and see how many players Bundesliga is donating for Euro 2016.

timbros:


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The best league in the world

Raumdeter come and see how many players Bundesliga is donating for Euro 2016.

Its not about quantity its about quality

The last world cup EPL had the most players but by the time we got to the finals how many EPL players were left vs How many Bundesliga and La Liga were left