Manutd19:

Big No!
Lebron is and shouldn't be in same league with Jordan. Maybe Kobe but he's not better. People always say "without him", "he has no help", he's all round" shit as an excuse for him. The guy has no fight in him. He named himself King, he chooses his team, player he wants to play with, the coach he wants.....so what's the excuse for him not delivering when it matters most. The only asset he has on offense is the drive. Poor post up game, ordinary jumpers, bad offensive skill set, thank God for the body he has

OohMpa:
@ Skywalker5 and ManUtd19.

You guys act as Kobe and MJ didn't have a great supporting cast. Even the current 2 time MVP has a great team, so what are you guys saying? Riddle Ooh Mpa this:

Did Kobe win a ring without Gasol or Shaq?
Did MJ win a ring without Pippen?
Didn't MJ have all losing seasons in his career when Pippen wasn't his sidekick?
Did MJ make it pass the first round without Pippen?


Without Pippen, that guy won't be termed a "great" in your definition of excluding Lebron.
Pippen had a winning season with the Bulls (55 wins) a year after Jordan left (57 wins). Doesn't that tell you how deep the Bulls team was? Ooh Mpa even omitted Rodman, Kerr, etc. Moreover, when he won his first 3peat, wasn't it that time new teams like Grizzlies and Heat them were added? Does that look like competition to you?

The truth is with Pippen, his PER, field goal percentage improved dramatically. The whole team contributed to his legendary heights and not the other way round.

Remove LeBron from his team and you'll see the team crumble like the walls of Jericho. His heat team had the best players he needed to win, they were hotter than Mia Khalifa on her debut scene. Right now, the heat are still kinging and would rightly compete if all players were healthy.

He has a sub par post up, maybe but can people drive to the basket like he can? How many players make 50% of their shots every year unless a center/PF? How many players pull his numbers?

You guys should give it a break with the star players in his lineup excuses. Yes, he's not likeable and yes, he wanted a ring so badly, he ran away but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably the best of this generation of players. Period!!!

Manutd19:



Big No!
Lebron is and shouldn't be in same league with Jordan. Maybe Kobe but he's not better. People always say "without him", "he has no help", he's all round" shit as an excuse for him. The guy has no fight in him. He named himself King, he chooses his team, player he wants to play with, the coach he wants.....so what's the excuse for him not delivering when it matters most. The only asset he has on offense is the drive. Poor post up game, ordinary jumpers, bad offensive skill set, thank God for the body he has.
Jordan & Kobe would be winning you 4 out of 7 finals at least. Lebron is about to go 2-5. A king o, who was tot to be d best player for years now about to go 2-5. Shows is recruiting is poor, poor knowledge of d game, bad decision making. He's not in same league with Jordan/KOBE

Manutd19:
For 2 consecutive years, Lebron can't shake off iggy. Lol
try imagining Jordan/Kobe experiencing that. Jordan will be dropping 40 on him second or third game after going tru that in 2 games max not to talk of 2 years.

OohMpa:
@ Skywalker5 and ManUtd19.

You guys act as Kobe and MJ didn't have a great supporting cast. Even the current 2 time MVP has a great team, so what are you guys saying? Riddle Ooh Mpa this:

Did Kobe win a ring without Gasol or Shaq?
Did MJ win a ring without Pippen?
Didn't MJ have all losing seasons in his career when Pippen wasn't his sidekick?
Did MJ make it pass the first round without Pippen?


Without Pippen, that guy won't be termed a "great" in your definition of excluding Lebron.
Pippen had a winning season with the Bulls (55 wins) a year after Jordan left (57 wins). Doesn't that tell you how deep the Bulls team was? Ooh Mpa even omitted Rodman, Kerr, etc. Moreover, when he won his first 3peat, wasn't it that time new teams like Grizzlies and Heat them were added? Does that look like competition to you?

The truth is with Pippen, his PER, field goal percentage improved dramatically. The whole team contributed to his legendary heights and not the other way round.

Remove LeBron from his team and you'll see the team crumble like the walls of Jericho. His heat team had the best players he needed to win, they were hotter than Mia Khalifa on her debut scene. Right now, the heat are still kinging and would rightly compete if all players were healthy.

He has a sub par post up, maybe but can people drive to the basket like he can? How many players make 50% of their shots every year unless a center/PF? How many players pull his numbers?

You guys should give it a break with the star players in his lineup excuses. Yes, he's not likeable and yes, he wanted a ring so badly, he ran away but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably the best of this generation of players. Period!!!

SmooshCHN:
He is one if the best of this decade tho. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less

Manutd19:




First i'm not saying he shouldn't play with superstars. You need good players along side you to win a ring. What i'm saying is even with that, he stil find it hard to do and when he loses, his fans always has this line "he needs more help". That's what pissess me off.
To the Jordan/Pippen combo, you need to understand Pippen was not a superstar, not even a star when he joined Jordan. He grew to be, playing along side Jordan. Jordan saw his potential and pushed him to be more than he was hence their successful combo. Bulls wanted to trade Pippen for a superstar and Jordan threatened to walk away if they did. Lebron could easily have recruited and win in Cleveland but he doesn't have that "i'm the man kinda mentality" Jordan, Kobe had and decided to do a show just to announce he's running to Wade's town. He needed someone to take over the 4th quarter for him(lol). Lebron want to be liked, Jordan & Kobe didn't give a shit, its about ring for them. They pushed their team mate hard and made them work hard. They always wanted the ball during close/critical time whereas Lebron mostly ditches and gets praised for finding the open man(scared).

SmooshCHN:
He is one if the best of this decade tho. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less

Skywalker5:


I love the Jordan pippen example.I was not sure if pippen was a star yet then.kerr was also on that team.

SmooshCHN:
He is one if the best of this decade tho. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less

Skywalker5:

Best player not the greatest player.note that there is a difference.best players become great when their team dominate the NBA.Curry is going from one of the best to greats with his team dominating.MJ and Kobe did the same.

,You say

Curry is suddenly now being one of the greats because of 2 years. Lmao. He's not even better than Wade let alone LBJ.

Where were you when LeBron dominated the NBA and being compared to the greats? Were you sleeping in 2013 with his season making everybody singing chants?
You see his stats in every NBA final and you say he chokes? Kinda like his finals MVP awards were flukes or the fact he ended up ahead of Curry in finals MVP voting last year, right?
Curry never 3peat, you're already comparing him to being one of the greats just because of 73-9 record? Shaq that had a 3peat in the early millennium, he himself wasn't compared to Jordan. Na Curry you wan use compare to Lebron. Chimoooo

Manutd19:

First i'm not saying he shouldn't play with superstars. You need good players along side you to win a ring. What i'm saying is even with that, he stil find it hard to do and when he loses, his fans always has this line "he needs more help". That's what pissess me off.
To the Jordan/Pippen combo, you need to understand Pippen was not a superstar, not even a star when he joined Jordan. He grew to be, playing along side Jordan. Jordan saw his potential and pushed him to be more than he was hence their successful combo

SmooshCHN:
He gas had the easiest walk to stardom unlike Kobe. LeBron isn't on Kobe's train or Jordans. He's on his own plane.

SIRcumalot:

no, he Is one of the greatest of all time.
have done This LeBron stuff too many times ,am sitting this one out.

SmooshCHN:
C'mon gerrrraaarrraaaaheeeree mhen... You're sitting it out but you're boldly saying "He is one of the greatest of all time". He can't even shake off Iguodala in both last playoff and this one.. what do you know LeBron for? Stats and that's all.. No reliable jumper, almost no post game, excellent drive to the rim and nothing else and you compare him to Kobe or Jordan. Let's see what he'll make of this final.. Wait!! Let's even forget Rings. You want to compare LeBron to his Airness MJ, or to the No. 8 Kobe or No 24 Mamba?? Haba!!! Lebron's greatness is 80% percent of Stats 20% of what he actually plays.. He is one of the Best of his generation and will always be till he retires but he is nothing more..

SIRcumalot:

driving to the basket is a reliable way to score efficiently.

edit: he is also more of a playmaker than a scorer

OohMpa:

This your hatred for LeBron don blind you well well. You're losing by 20+pts after 3 quarters, what you have him do? Every player does that, even Curry sat out a complete 4th quarter against OKC. There should be no hate here, really...

And you just said he doesn't deliver? Without him, Cavs go smell playoffs? He's had game winners and clutch shots more times than Ooh Mpa could ever remember.

He deserves to be mentioned with Kobe and MJ. Bro, in as much as Ooh Mpa wants a Warriors win regardless of their cocky fans, you just committed a blasphemy

A40:

When your opponent has barricaded their rim nko? What do great players do? They find alternatives

They need LeBron the scorer right now.

SIRcumalot:

yeah so if put up incredible numbers inefficiently.
you will point to his unimpressive efficiency like you did the last time. we've been here before.

SIRcumalot:

complete rubbish,
you know it I know it the whole word knows but this as good a time as any to start pumping out stuff like this.

SIRcumalot:

It is a fact bro.
pretty much anybody who is anybody in basketball will admit it.
I have argued for LeBron on this thread than my own personal favorite player. one thing I have noticed if you don't think LeBron is a legit goat nobody can change your mind.
LeBron has no jumper,no post game but you watched him in Miami? you forget his playmaking skills
you say his not clutch you forget his performance against the Boston Celtics in the garden on his way to his first title.
he needs superstar you forget all the time he carried the cavs alone.
jordan is untouchable but we've other guys that are close to him LeBron is one of them.

A40:

When your opponent has barricaded their rim nko? What do great players do? They find alternatives
They need LeBron the scorer right now.

SmooshCHN:
You said close.. So now you can agree to disagree that They aren't on the same level. And LeBron isn't on MJs level neither was he on Kobe's. You don't need "superstars". You need a TEAM which is ready to win not just skilled or talented players. He's great but not one of the greatest. picking players like you're playing a 5 on 5 garage Bball in 2k won't bring him the Chip. I believe he still has to settle down cos his team has what it needs.
True.. That's what greats do. No excuse for failure they always find a way.. And his teammates aren't helping matters now.

A40:



Go and check his numbers in the clutch. I no get time for long yarning. Last year they said Kyrie and Love were injured. They are healthy now. Time to show and prove

OohMpa:
@ Skywalker5 and ManUtd19.

You guys act as Kobe and MJ didn't have a great supporting cast. Even the current 2 time MVP has a great team, so what are you guys saying? Riddle Ooh Mpa this:

Did Kobe win a ring without Gasol or Shaq?
Did MJ win a ring without Pippen?
Didn't MJ have all losing seasons in his career when Pippen wasn't his sidekick?
Did MJ make it pass the first round without Pippen?


Without Pippen, that guy won't be termed a "great" in your definition of excluding Lebron.
Pippen had a winning season with the Bulls (55 wins) a year after Jordan left (57 wins). Doesn't that tell you how deep the Bulls team was? Ooh Mpa even omitted Rodman, Kerr, etc. Moreover, when he won his first 3peat, wasn't it that time new teams like Grizzlies and Heat them were added? Does that look like competition to you?

The truth is with Pippen, his PER, field goal percentage improved dramatically. The whole team contributed to his legendary heights and not the other way round.

Remove LeBron from his team and you'll see the team crumble like the walls of Jericho. His heat team had the best players he needed to win, they were hotter than Mia Khalifa on her debut scene. Right now, the heat are still kinging and would rightly compete if all players were healthy.

He has a sub par post up, maybe but can people drive to the basket like he can? How many players make 50% of their shots every year unless a center/PF? How many players pull his numbers?

You guys should give it a break with the star players in his lineup excuses. Yes, he's not likeable and yes, he wanted a ring so badly, he ran away but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably the best of this generation of players. Period!!!

SIRcumalot:

I never judge by clutchness,
if you do your job well you wont need to make a crazy shot with 3 guys on you.
if clutchness was so important horry will be a goat.

A40:

You cannot wish away clutchness just because the numbers don't favor your boy. Expecting your team to always do their jobs when the stakes are high and the opponents are also battling to win is all fantasy

Robert Horry made a few big shots, Didn't do much else. Wrong example

[b]The acclaimed greatest player ranked #3 [/b]by ESPN with the game on the line should not be shooting at 10%

A40:

You cannot wish away clutchness just because the numbers don't favor your boy. Expecting your team to always do their jobs when the stakes are high and the opponents are also battling to win is all fantasy

Robert Horry made a few big shots, Didn't do much else. Wrong example

The acclaimed greatest player ranked #3 by ESPN with the game on the line should not be shooting at 10%

OohMpa:


,You say

Curry is suddenly now being one of the greats because of 2 years. Lmao. He's not even better than Wade let alone LBJ.

Where were you when LeBron dominated the NBA and being compared to the greats? Were you sleeping in 2013 with his season making everybody singing chants?
You see his stats in every NBA final and you say he chokes? Kinda like his finals MVP awards were flukes or the fact he ended up ahead of Curry in finals MVP voting last year, right?
Curry never 3peat, you're already comparing him to being one of the greats just because of 73-9 record? Shaq that had a 3peat in the early millennium, he himself wasn't compared to Jordan. Na Curry you wan use compare to Lebron. Chimoooo

SIRcumalot:

how come curry sit out major 4th quarter minutes if it isn't that he already finished off the opposition ?
discrediting a players body of work because they didn't make some crazy shot is not right with me.
where the link to this clutch stat I go like see the ranking for myself.