forgiveness:


Is that all?

Can you pls show me another rating during the tournament?

TheGoodJoe:


I am showing that he was not all that. In his game, they were weaknesses. With time Coach Keshi dropped him for Oshaniwa. Oshaniwa is the better player and he should be ahead of Echiejile.

TheGoodJoe:



3.
U. Echiejile
More defensive than he would’ve liked, Echiejile ensured that the opposition couldn’t create opportunities down the left. Struggled at times with Bance, the number three improved as the match wore on before falling down to injury.

http://m.goal.com/s/en-za/match/nigeria-vs-burkina-faso/1406545/ratings?


You can see them highlighting Echiejile struggling with Bance, although he coped better as time went. Although this is not one of Echiejile's poor games, he still struggled.

Echiejile had more poor games than Oshaniwa, offensively and defensively under Coach Keshi.

forgiveness:



@ bolded said it all. That is the summary of the whole rating.

Whether he struggled or not e do em work welli wellii!

Abi I lie.

forgiveness:


Since, you can't provide another bad rating during the AFCON then you can't judge him based on just one bad day.


How come Oshaniwa can not get a better club if he's that good?

Playing for Sporting Braga in the Portuguese Primeira Liga and in the Champions League is not beans na?

He moved from there to another higher level. Monaco no be small club na. And you are now comparing a player that has played at the highest level and still playing with one playing in Scotland.


Walahi! I am yoking (you are joking).

forgiveness:


Since, you can't provide another bad rating during the AFCON then you can't judge him based on just one bad day.


How come Oshaniwa can not get a better club if he's that good?

Playing for Sporting Braga in the Portuguese Primeira Liga and in the Champions League is not beans na?

He moved from there to another higher level. Monaco no be small club na. And you are now comparing a player that has played at the highest level and still playing with one playing in Scotland.


Walahi! I am yoking (you are joking).

forgiveness:


Since, you can't provide another bad rating during the AFCON then you can't judge him based on just one bad day.


How come Oshaniwa can not get a better club if he's that good?

Playing for Sporting Braga in the Portuguese Primeira Liga and in the Champions League is not beans na?

He moved from there to another higher level. Monaco no be small club na. And you are now comparing a player that has played at the highest level and still playing with one playing in Scotland.


Walahi! I am yoking (you are joking).

Mickael2:



you are going to start Leon Balogun and Otigba ahead of Omeruo and Ekong? Why not just put Ambrose there too?

Echejile ahead of Oshaniwa and Madu? Please Sir, have you ever seen Kingley Madu playing football? An honest question Sir.

Onazi starts as your CMF?! Have you seen Onazi's passing statistics? The guy's passing is poor, apart from a DMF, he can't do much going forward. His long balls are poor,through balls? Abysmal, and you want to push him up the field to go and do what?! Another honest question Sir, have you seen John Ogu playing football? Only God knows the kind of coach you would be. Your sentiments are too much, Ighalo should not start ahead of Ideye or even get invited ahead of him, the sooner we started inviting Kayode the better and I can also assure you that Rabiu Ibrahim has been doing better than Adbul Ajagun.

Finally I have a startimes decoder, I have watched Leon this season, he has played as the LB some times, I dare say most times. I don't know sha but that your team will lose every single match

TheGoodJoe:


Are you for real? So when you are watching weakness in a players game, you look at Summary. Do you think anyone can criticise Iheanacho constructively if we are looking at Summary of the performance.

TheGoodJoe:


You are joking. You mean Danny Welbeck is better than Aubamayeng because he is played in two very big clubs, Arsenal and Manchester United compared to Aubamayeng's St Etienne and Dortmund.

Look at this report on Echiejile in the final by Jarus.

Echiejile: I have criticised him many times as not effective in the left back like TT and poorer in moving forward. He isn't that bad, after all. Poor crosses/passes from the left, but still performed above average. 6
https://www.nairaland.com/1192175/player-rating-nigeria-vs-burkina

You can see the term, many times.

forgiveness:


You are comparing two big clubs and two big players. And that alone is the difference between comparing big club with a small club. End of discussion.

Aubamayeng was noticed by best scouts in the world and that was why he moved to the biggest level.

Abegi na who notice Oshaniwa?

Na who notice Echiejile? Monaco of course.

TheGoodJoe:



3. Elderson Echejiele: It’s very obvious that Echejiele hasn’t regained his form and composure on the ball after the lengthy injury that sidelined him for weeks prior to the World Cup in Brazil.

The best scenario would have been for Keshi not to have invited the former Wikki Tourist defender for this crucial game and allow him to heal completely and rack up some games for current club AS Monaco before considering him.

Echejiele was woeful at the back and lacked composure to aim and shoot the target with the opportunities he had going forward.
https://www.nairaland.com/1947936/5-most-disappointing-eagles-players

We have to blame the injury.

forgiveness:


You are comparing two big clubs and two big players. And that alone is the difference between comparing big club with a small club. End of discussion.

Aubamayeng was noticed by best scouts in the world and that was why he moved to the biggest level.

Abegi na who notice Oshaniwa?

Na who notice Echiejile? Monaco of course.

Echiejile even collect 6/10 for that rating. Chai! The boy don pass pass be that na.

We know he was only comparing him with Taye Taiwo and what where you expecting should be the result? Of course, TT na Oga.

TheGoodJoe:


We have poor players in top clubs. Being in a big club isnot a guarantee the player is the best in a particular role.

So to you, is Welbeck better than Vardy?

TheGoodJoe:


Upon Echiejile's Monaco CV, Oshaniwa took over his role in the National team and did better.

Are you not seeing Leicester, see what they did with a lot of unknown and cheap players. Club status is not a guarantee.

forgiveness:


Mention one top club with poor players?

forgiveness:


OK, we go know next season. Tiago, David Luiz etc where all drop for the Americas cup. Are you saying the prefer ones are better than them?

TheGoodJoe:


I said being in a top club is not a guarantee that the player is the best in a role.

Just like Mahrez and Payet are not in top clubs but they are better than some players in the same roles in top club's.

Why do you think Liverpool went to sign players from Southampton who became starters in Liverpool. Even though Liverpool had players in those roles, better than those in Liverpool.

TheGoodJoe:


You know David Luiz and Thiago are top picks any day. Echiejile's case was on the run of poor performances that put Super Eagles in a bad position.

forgiveness:


You said and I quote 'poor players are in top clubs' no be so. Please mention one or two players in top clubs.

forgiveness:


Dat is the answer to your question about him loosing his position to Oshaniwa in the National team. Taye Taiwo also lost his position to Echiejile prior to the AFCON 2013. When it is glaring Taye Taiwo was far better than Echiejile. Why?

TheGoodJoe:


We some them over the years, like John Evans in Manchester United winning Champions League and EPL titles to Sunderland FC. We Darren Gibson hailed as the next Paul Scholes to a bencher at Everton. I do not know where he is now.

Tal Ben Haim and Sidwell in Chelsea, Mineiro, Chelsea.

TheGoodJoe:



You can say Taiye Taiwo is better than Echiejile. You can not say Echiejile is better than Oshaniwa. Oshaniwa is better.

David Luiz and Thiago have not lost their place. Echiejile did. It was awful.

forgiveness:


Academy players who graduated to play for regular team na normal thing. We are talking about players bought from a club to play for a big club. Is there any?

forgiveness:


How come dey did not make the list despite their performance this season?

forgiveness:


First of all, I rate players based on club their play, the League, performance and finally talent.

Based on these criteria, I don't think you can compare Leon Balogun with Kenneth Omeruo nor with Troost-Ekong neither can you compare Kenneth Otigba with Kenneth Omeruo nor Troost-Ekong. No sentiment attached.

Echiejile is currently the best LB Nigerian player in the eyes of the World. Then how can he be worse than Oshaniwa and Madu?

What is the name of Madu's club and where it located in the world map? Chai! I can't see.

I have seen him play several times but I noticed he is not good at defending and he can't withstand physical or skilful players.

In what position does Onazi play in Lazio? Sometimes as an attacking midfielder.

No be dat combination win us AFCON?

John Ogu is very good but very slow for a very fast and mobile midfielder.

Ideye-brown is good but Ighalo for now is better. All he needs is a creative midfielder behind him.

We have Brown Ideye, Kelechi Iheanacho, Odion Ighalo, Anthony Ujah etc na which one Kayode go fit bench?


Rabiu Ibrahim could not take his chances when given hence hmmm! make I never talk. Abdul Ajagun is a baller. Give him the chance and you will see what he is capable of doing.

Mickael2:


Your comments are based on the clubs alone. Do you watch the Turkish league? No, because if you do,you would not say such about Omeruo. Omeruo was CONSISTENTLY good this season. Leon lost his spot on the Mainz team at some part of the season, Ekong played every single game,i watch his games on youtube,almost all of them. Did you see Leon when we played against Mali? He was making silly mistakes,so much for him being the best defender we have. And don't get me started on Otigba please.

'in the eyes of the world, Echejile is the best leftback we have', which eyes?! Sir, can you please tell me how many games Echejile started this season. At some point he was only playing in the Europa league alone. Just check what happened in France today, Martial who plays for Manu was benched for Payet. During the match, Pogba who plays for Juve was subbed instead of Payet, who won the match? Payet. Sentiments, so because you do not know his club right? Well that's about it. Just remind me who was our best defender in that...wait a minute, do you even know the match he played for Nigeria? And Oshaniwa too?! Guy, you need to start watching matches before you decide. Just admit that you haven't seen Madu playing before, because he is absolutely fatanstic defensively and even better going forward, and Oshaniwa is better than Echejile by a mile.

Onazi plays as an attacking midfielder for Lazio?! Sir, you need to watch these matches. He always plays as the DMF! You didn't watch the Afcon either, because if you did, you would have noticed that it was even Mikel who was playing as the CMF for us, Onazi was predominantly defensive. Please, a defensive midfielder does not mean the person does not attack ever, it means he is predominantly concerned with defending!

John Ogu is slow? Kroos is not the fastest player in the world is he? I guess that makes him a bad CMF right? Great logic. I won't even reply this.

Based on form Ighalo is better? Based on which form? Form for Nigeria? Have you seen Ighalo playing for Nigeria or you just hear about it? We have given him his chance, he has failed to impress at all so we should give other people their own chance. Kayode was the third highest goalscorer in his Austrian league, Stoke city want him right now if not for his work permit, Anthony Ujah is no longer a starter for Bremen, he lost his spot towards the end of the season.

I have watched Panathinaikos games, I have seen Abdul, I won't doubt the fact that he is very very good, but watch Ibrahim,he is better. The last match that Ibrahim played for Nigeria he was very very good. If we invite both it won't be a crime because Abdul can play as a more attack-minded CMF, but if we must pick one as our back-up AMF it has to be Ibrahim

TheGoodJoe:


When did you ask player bought? However, Tal Ben Haim, Sidwell and Mineiro were poor players bought by Chelsea. Jeffers was a poor player bought by Arsene Wenger to Arsenal.

TheGoodJoe:


Nice write up. What do you think about Sone Aluko? Do you think Coach Yusuf should invite him to compete for the ten spot?

I do not remember him getting a call up after his memorable performance against South Africa.

forgiveness:


Tal Ben Haim performed wonderful well for his Israeli club by helping them to win the league and he replicated when came to Bolton. He was Okocha deputy captain. We know he was noticed because he played well in the EPL and Europa League. And even when Chelsea bought him he performed well too but could not bench John Terry, Richardo Carlvaho and Alex. Where you expecting him to break into that team? He also clashes with coaches and players. So, you know what that means in the Premier League.


Sidwell - do you expect him to bench the one time second and third best players in the world? Lampard and Essien? You self think am well na.

Mineiro was bought to play as a third= choice defensive midfielder to Mikel and Essien.

So, what are we talking about? These players have one thing in common. They never stayed beyond one season but Echiejile is going to his third season this year.

You can spot the difference.