THE UGLY REALITY!


Mr. Frank's business keeps suffering massive loses and he may be forced to close the business has bankruptcy seems to be inevitable.
Mr. Frank is a faithful catholic so it's only second nature for him to make his plights known to his Patron saints and supplication to the heavens in hope for divine mercy and a positive turn around from his misfortunes.

After many years and nothing seemed to be changing, Mr. Frank was well on his way into severe clinical depression. Why was God not answering him? "Oh Lord forgive me my sins! Whatever I have done to deserve this, Please forgive Lord. Holy Mother of God, Pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me! If not for my sake, please for the sake of the my children. I can't feed them well any more! I can't pay their school fees! Father have mercy on me!" These were his daily cries to heaven.

Mr. Olawale, a close friend to Franklin seemed to be going through the same plight, he was not doing well himself, in fact he had been to Mr. Franklin to borrow money several times, but there was something curious about Olawale that Franklin could not really put his fingers on.
Olawale seemed to be so sure about the cause of his problems and he always claims he is effectively dealing with them.
He seemed to be on top of his game.

Just yesterday he confided in Frank on how he successfully killed a cat in his compound. He was so happy and excited as if he just won a lottery.

"So what is so good about killing an harmless cat?" Franklin asked, making Olawale look at him as if an alien just appeared from space.

"What is special about killing a cat? Seems you catholics don't know the reality of spiritual warfare." He grins bitterly while shaking his head expressing the pity he had for Frank's ignorance.
"Cats, wall geckos, lizards, snakes, black birds and many of the likes are animals witches use in monitoring lives and placing yokes on christian homes" he hisses "stay there and be forming ajebota. We are Africans, better don't let them waste you like chicken!"

This and many other admonishment from Olawale and other friends made Franklin begin to think and see sense in all he was told of the possibility of his problems being a spiritual one.

He made up his mind to see the prophet in Olawale's church.

There he was told his mother was behind his predicament.



This is the reality otf the society we live in. One in which Demons, Witches are all too real to us.

Where old women in the village are witches. Where sons fight their innocent mothers because they suspect or where or were told she is a witch.

The real damage believe in demons and witchcraft is causing is destruction of relationships.

People being paranoid and suspecting everyone they don't like as enemies.

In the office,
Husbands accusing wives,

Parents calling their innocent children ogbanje, witch, aje, emere.

Innocent people being killed because they look wretched so they must be witches.


Killing animals we think are demonic.

Pastors slapping innocent girls in the name of casting out witchcraft. And many more worse abuse such as setting innocent children on fire to cast out the demons.

Spending hours praying everyday against imaginary enemies.

Suffering self induced nightmares that are product of your paranoia. Where masquerades are pursuing you.



What is your experience?

somebody's better like my comment, cuz I actually read this

Mr HardMirror. Am curious, where you on NL as a Christian before you turned atheist, or you just joined NL or you are under a new Moniker now? I want to know what kind of Christian you were.
You have claimed alot of things, I want to know your past as a Christian.
If you were here as a Christian, I need links to your old threads.

most times pastors are wrong but one thing is certain. witches, demons, spirits do exist

Made no sense to me.

lodscott:
most times pastors are wrong but one thing is certain. witches, demons, spirits do exist

Your proof?

HardMirror:
THE UGLY REALITY!



People being paranoid and suspecting everyone they don't like as enemies.



Spending hours praying everyday against imaginary enemies.

Suffering self induced nightmares that are product of your paranoia. Where masquerades are pursuing you.



What is your experience?

Christians of the MFM stock can relate better to the above...!

kevoh:


Christians of the MFM stock can relate better to the above...!

Don't forget to add omega fire ministry

HardMirror:
Your proof?

define existence to you. how do you know for sure that something exists tell me

lodscott:


define existence to you. how do you know for sure that something exists tell me

Whatever exists must have quantifiable influence which would be physical or chemical in nature. We can't see radiation but it's influence can be measured physically and chemically. Same with sound, same with air. So what is the proof of the existence of witches and demons?

COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND FOLLOW THE REAL CHRIST YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
love your enemies,pray for those who despitely persecute you.

easterwick:
COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE AND FOLLOW THE REAL CHRIST YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
love your enemies,pray for those who despitely persecute you.

Are you saying MFM, Redeem, CAC, CCC, Winners and the rest who pray against their enemies and see visions from god on their enemies who must die are not christian denominations?

HardMirror:

Whatever exists must have quantifiable influence which would be physical or chemical in nature. We can't see radiation but it's influence can be measured physically and chemically. Same with sound, same with air. So what is the proof of the existence of witches and demons?

and what quantifies or witnesses these influence, our minds.our eyes, our nose,our ears, our senses some how gather some information and send it to our brains. we then interpet what we receive into reality as we know it right?

judging from this and your above statement, youmake two or more assumptions

1. the human sense organs exist
2. the human senses are 100% accurate

the rest are nt important for now

now by what means can we prove the senses to exist. if they are our yardstick for determining existence what would determine their own. if you can't answer this correctly then there is no need for me to proceed,because you are no different then the christians who claim a thing is right just because the bible said so, but have no proof that the bible is right.

lodscott:


and what quantifies or witnesses these influence, our minds.our eyes, our nose,our ears, our senses some how gather some information and send it to our brains. we then interpet what we receive into reality as we know it right?

judging from this and your above statement, youmake two or more assumptions

1. the human sense organs exist
2. the human senses are 100% accurate

the rest are nt important for now

now by what means can we prove the senses to exist. if they are our yardstick for determining existence what would determine their own. if you can't answer this correctly then there is no need for me to proceed,because you are no different then the christians who claim a thing is right just because the bible said so, but have no proof that the bible is right.

An is it not this same human sense you use in reading my posts and replying me?
Why should I not rely on this sense to make judgments. What else should I have used in understanding my environment? Faith? Or assumptions? Or bible? Lol

Use your sense, we all have to. There is nothing more we can rely on so don't ask me to discard my senses

HardMirror:

An is it not this same human sense you use in reading my posts and replying me?
Why should I not rely on this sense to make judgments. What else should I have used in understanding my environment? Faith? Or assumptions? Or bible? Lol

Use your sense, we all have to. There is nothing more we can rely on so don't ask me to discard my senses

let me list the assumptions I can find in this post


1. that I have human senses
2. that am human
3. that I read your post
4. that I replied you
5.that you have an environment
6.that I use my senses aswell
7. that everyone has to use their senses
8. that there is nothing more we can rely on hence I shouldn't ask you to discard your senses.


all assumptions brought in by ur unverified perception


let's say all the above are true, that is thinking inside the box. fine since you have decided that people exist, people have senses, people must use their senses.people mustnt ask you not to rely on your senses. the worse assumption so far which I'd unforgivable is that everyone has the same senses as you do.



can we take a minute and come out of that box, since there is no way to verify our senses but we must use them, what if a certain individual develops another sense 'x'.let's call the act of using this new sense "x'ing" and this sense like every other of yours brings in information to his mind and he interprets this information. then whatever he interprets this new information as would not exist to you. because you don't have the sense x. yet it clearly exists to him. what then do you make of this, would you ask him to discard that his "New" sense. I think not, because that would make a hypocrite right?



now let's say that individual was not just one person, they were many. and this their senses allowed them to experience a being which you couldn't experience and they called this being god. and this god is felt by them through this senses the same way your own senses tell you your phone is real.


who is right among both of you?

should they discard their senses? mind you I hv transcended religion and atheism. to build and find something solid, you must break your foundation, you must burst out of your box. atheism is nothing bug a religion aswell.when ur willing to learn absolute truth you will humble your self

lodscott:


let me list the assumptions I can find in this post


1. that I have human senses
2. that am human
3. that I read your post
4. that I replied you
5.that you have an environment
6.that I use my senses aswell
7. that everyone has to use their senses
8. that there is nothing more we can rely on hence I shouldn't ask you to discard your senses.


all assumptions brought in by ur unverified perception


let's say all the above are true, that is thinking inside the box. fine since you have decided that people exist, people have senses, people must use their senses.people mustnt ask you not to rely on your senses. the worse assumption so far which I'd unforgivable is that everyone has the same senses as you do.



can we take a minute and come out of that box, since there is no way to verify our senses but we must use them, what if a certain individual develops another sense 'x'.let's call the act of using this new sense "x'ing" and this sense like every other of yours brings in information to his mind and he interprets this information. then whatever he interprets this new information as would not exist to you. because you don't have the sense x. yet it clearly exists to him. what then do you make of this, would you ask him to discard that his "New" sense. I think not, because that would make a hypocrite right?



now let's say that individual was not just one person, they were many. and this their senses allowed them to experience a being which you couldn't experience and they called this being god. and this god is felt by them through this senses the same way your own senses tell you your phone is real.


who is right among both of you?

Beautiful.
So what's your point? I am not interested in chitchat albeit how intelligently structured if there is no purpose to it. So what do you want?

HardMirror:

Beautiful.
So what's your point? I am not interested in chitchat albeit how intelligently structured if there is no purpose to it. So what do you want?

have you ever sat down and just meditated on life, to discover truth.

anyway my point is you can't disqualify a person's experience to be false when you have no way of proving your self right.
and if I tell you now that I have verified the spiritual you can't believe me because its just my experience yet you can say am wrong either. you must understand this before bashing a person's convictions or religion

if I ask you now if you believe that man has gone to space, you most likely say yes you do. why? probably beacause a lot have testified, you must have seen videos, pictures.

what's the difference if someone tells you a man. named Jesus walked the earth some thousand years ago, he died abs rose again.

you don't belief, yet a lot have testified too,great men have believed it, they were record. although not the least bit verifiable but videos and pictures can be forged aswell. why do you believe one and disbelief the other?

ask urself.

lodscott:
should they discard their senses? mind you I hv transcended religion and atheism. to build and find something solid, you must break your foundation, you must burst out of your box. atheism is nothing bug a religion aswell.when ur willing to learn absolute truth you will humble your self

Are you familiar with the Philosophy of Solipsism?

If you want us to go that path, there would be no basis of communication. So don't display your philosophism if you really want to communicate. I can also make solipsistic statements and you won't have anything to say cos we won't be communicating.

At the end we all have to rely on empirical quantitations to arrive at logical conclusions.

So I stand by use of the senses.

lodscott:


have you ever sat down and just meditated on life, to discover truth.

anyway my point is you can't disqualify a person's experience to be false when you have no way of proving your self right.
and if I tell you now that I have verified the spiritual you can't believe me because its just my experience yet you can say am wrong either. you must understand this before bashing a person's convictions or religion

if I ask you now if you believe that man has gone to space, you most likely say yes you do. why? probably beacause a lot have testified, you must have seen videos, pictures.

what's the difference if someone tells you a man. named Jesus walked the earth some thousand years ago, he died abs rose again.

you don't belief, yet a lot have testified too,great men have believed it, they were record. although not the least bit verifiable but videos and pictures can be forged aswell. why do you believe one and disbelief the other?

ask urself.

And where did I disqualify jesus existence?
You make assertions about me using your own pretext. I clearly understand your strategy as I said in my last post.

Sorry you've only shown you are well read, you have not proven anything. That is because in solipsism you can't do that. We will just end up going in circles

lodscott:


have you ever sat down and just meditated on life, to discover truth.

anyway my point is you can't disqualify a person's experience to be false when you have no way of proving your self right.
and if I tell you now that I have verified the spiritual you can't believe me because its just my experience yet you can say am wrong either. you must understand this before bashing a person's convictions or religion

if I ask you now if you believe that man has gone to space, you most likely say yes you do. why? probably beacause a lot have testified, you must have seen videos, pictures.

what's the difference if someone tells you a man. named Jesus walked the earth some thousand years ago, he died abs rose again.

you don't belief, yet a lot have testified too,great men have believed it, they were record. although not the least bit verifiable but videos and pictures can be forged aswell. why do you believe one and disbelief the other?

ask urself.

We've also seen airplanes, jet fighters, hot air balloons, even toy rockets fly in the sky carrying humans beings. I've flown over the Atlantic for hours in a white tube. I have spoken to relatives in Africa live On the phone while standing in downtown Atlanta!!!

There are space tours for rent, $250K USD deposit which will guarantee you a spot on the next flight to the ISS. Richard Branson is the CEO, they virgin mobile billionaire.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/human-spaceflight/fly-with-us/

When people say that humans have been to space, they expect you to consider your Wi-Fi and and wireless phone, and air travel and Apple Tv before doubting the degree of difficulty.

Even then, there's a sizable amount of Americans who don't believe that humans have even been to the moon. Others don't even believe that the earth is a round ball. A round sheet of land, but not a ball.

All of these are besides the point, anyway. The Bible, upon which these Christians use their new sense, has been translated into English. So we all can read what it says. It provides a prescription for receiving and providing proofs to human beings.

HardMirror:
THE UGLY REALITY!


Mr. Frank's business keeps suffering massive loses and he may be forced to close the business has bankruptcy seems to be inevitable.
Mr. Frank is a faithful catholic so it's only second nature for him to make his plights known to his Patron saints and supplication to the heavens in hope for divine mercy and a positive turn around from his misfortunes.

After many years and nothing seemed to be changing, Mr. Frank was well on his way into severe clinical depression. Why was God not answering him? "Oh Lord forgive me my sins! Whatever I have done to deserve this, Please forgive Lord. Holy Mother of God, Pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me! If not for my sake, please for the sake of the my children. I can't feed them well any more! I can't pay their school fees! Father have mercy on me!" These were his daily cries to heaven.

Mr. Olawale, a close friend to Franklin seemed to be going through the same plight, he was not doing well himself, in fact he had been to Mr. Franklin to borrow money several times, but there was something curious about Olawale that Franklin could not really put his fingers on.
Olawale seemed to be so sure about the cause of his problems and he always claims he is effectively dealing with them.
He seemed to be on top of his game.

Just yesterday he confided in Frank on how he successfully killed a cat in his compound. He was so happy and excited as if he just won a lottery.

"So what is so good about killing an harmless cat?" Franklin asked, making Olawale look at him as if an alien just appeared from space.

"What is special about killing a cat? Seems you catholics don't know the reality of spiritual warfare." He grins bitterly while shaking his head expressing the pity he had for Frank's ignorance.
"Cats, wall geckos, lizards, snakes, black birds and many of the likes are animals witches use in monitoring lives and placing yokes on christian homes" he hisses "stay there and be forming ajebota. We are Africans, better don't let them waste you like chicken!"

This and many other admonishment from Olawale and other friends made Franklin begin to think and see sense in all he was told of the possibility of his problems being a spiritual one.

He made up his mind to see the prophet in Olawale's church.

There he was told his mother was behind his predicament.



This is the reality otf the society we live in. One in which Demons, Witches are all too real to us.

Where old women in the village are witches. Where sons fight their innocent mothers because they suspect or where or were told she is a witch.

The real damage believe in demons and witchcraft is causing is destruction of relationships.

People being paranoid and suspecting everyone they don't like as enemies.

In the office,
Husbands accusing wives,

Parents calling their innocent children ogbanje, witch, aje, emere.

Innocent people being killed because they look wretched so they must be witches.


Killing animals we think are demonic.

Pastors slapping innocent girls in the name of casting out witchcraft. And many more worse abuse such as setting innocent children on fire to cast out the demons.

Spending hours praying everyday against imaginary enemies.

Suffering self induced nightmares that are product of your paranoia. Where masquerades are pursuing you.



What is your experience?

FASLE STRORIES LIKE THESE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR NOLLYWOOD HOME VIDEOS

Anas09:
Mr HardMirror. Am curious, where you on NL as a Christian before you turned atheist, or you just joined NL or you are under a new Moniker now? I want to know what kind of Christian you were.
You have claimed alot of things, I want to know your past as a Christian.
If you were here as a Christian, I need links to your old threads.

I bet He won't answer you. Someone had said earlier he only used another person identity to mock christian Faith. He was not that man he claimed to be. He can't answer bible questions he claimed to have studied . Q

Joagbaje:


FASLE STRORIES LIKE THESE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR NOLLYWOOD HOME VIDEOS

How ignorant are you? This happens very frequently. I personally how at least 15 people with similar stories.
Someone shared with me just yesterday how her grandma was left to die lonely cos her mum's pastor said the grandma was a witch. And you claim to be a pastor, don't people confide in you? So many families have family members they accuse one way or the other for the misfortunes of other members.
This statement shows people don't find you worthy to be confided in. Else it won't sound like a nollywood story to you

Joagbaje:


I bet He won't answer you. Someone had said earlier he only used another person identity to mock christian Faith. He was not that man he claimed to be. He can't answer bible questions he claimed to have studied . Q

There is a simple way of verifying what people say. The holy spirit. Or u don't have the holy spirit?
Stop guess, let the holy spirit witness to u.

So unfortunate you can't see how ordinary you are. If not you won't be here trying to guess if a story is false or not. Guess wrong and expose how fake and empty u are

HardMirror:

Are you saying MFM, Redeem, CAC, CCC, Winners and the rest who pray against their enemies and see visions from god on their enemies who must die are not christian denominations?

MY BROTHER AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, apostle paul found christian and give them his own rules. I WAS ONCE A MEMBER OF OFM BUT SINCE I RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FOLLOW HIS DIRECTION TO READ ONLY THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST ONLY i was beaten and kick out of the synagogue. I BELIEVE IN CHRIST THOUGH MY LIFE IS LIKE THAT OF CHRIST LIFE.i dnt judge any one christians know their God i know but if my ways look LIKE dat of christ way then you can mock me and say CHRISTLIKE (CHRISTIAN)

HardMirror:
THE UGLY REALITY!


Mr. Frank's business keeps suffering massive loses and he may be forced to close the business has bankruptcy seems to be inevitable.
Mr. Frank is a faithful catholic so it's only second nature for him to make his plights known to his Patron saints and supplication to the heavens in hope for divine mercy and a positive turn around from his misfortunes.

Good for Mr Frank, in the multitude of counsellors, there is safety. He however is not stopped by God from getting the appropriate counsel for his business.

After many years and nothing seemed to be changing, Mr. Frank was well on his way into severe clinical depression. Why was God not answering him? "Oh Lord forgive me my sins! Whatever I have done to deserve this, Please forgive Lord. Holy Mother of God, Pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me! If not for my sake, please for the sake of the my children. I can't feed them well any more! I can't pay their school fees! Father have mercy on me!" These were his daily cries to heaven.

Lol, mr Frank needs to understand that even though God feeds the birds, they do not sit in their nests waiting and praying. They go out to work, they are diligent, and he is commanded by God to do what his hands find to do with his might. Wailing to God without taking the needed practical steps is not commanded or recommended by God. If something is wrong with your business or car, FIX it, not lay hands on it only, or pour oil. That is not what is done in the Bible. These rubbish only happen to people who only follow men, not the Bible or Jesus.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

Mr. Olawale, a close friend to Franklin seemed to be going through the same plight, he was not doing well himself, in fact he had been to Mr. Franklin to borrow money several times, but there was something curious about Olawale that Franklin could not really put his fingers on.
Olawale seemed to be so sure about the cause of his problems and he always claims he is effectively dealing with them.
He seemed to be on top of his game.

Just yesterday he confided in Frank on how he successfully killed a cat in his compound. He was so happy and excited as if he just won a lottery.

"So what is so good about killing an harmless cat?" Franklin asked, making Olawale look at him as if an alien just appeared from space.

"What is special about killing a cat? Seems you catholics don't know the reality of spiritual warfare." He grins bitterly while shaking his head expressing the pity he had for Frank's ignorance.
"Cats, wall geckos, lizards, snakes, black birds and many of the likes are animals witches use in monitoring lives and placing yokes on christian homes" he hisses "stay there and be forming ajebota. We are Africans, better don't let them waste you like chicken!"

This and many other admonishment from Olawale and other friends made Franklin begin to think and see sense in all he was told of the possibility of his problems being a spiritual one.

He made up his mind to see the prophet in Olawale's church.

This again has no biblical basis whatsoever. The noble christians confirmed the words and actions of apostles from the Scriptures. Today, lazy people(chriSTAINS) do all pastor and mog says without checking the Bible for themselves. Whose fault, theirs. Bible is very cheap and free and in many languages, Gideons used to share it free sef.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

There he was told his mother was behind his predicament.



This is the reality otf the society we live in. One in which Demons, Witches are all too real to us.

Where old women in the village are witches. Where sons fight their innocent mothers because they suspect or where or were told she is a witch.

The real damage believe in demons and witchcraft is causing is destruction of relationships.

People being paranoid and suspecting everyone they don't like as enemies.

In the office,
Husbands accusing wives,

Parents calling their innocent children ogbanje, witch, aje, emere.

Innocent people being killed because they look wretched so they must be witches.


Killing animals we think are demonic.

Pastors slapping innocent girls in the name of casting out witchcraft. And many more worse abuse such as setting innocent children on fire to cast out the demons.

Spending hours praying everyday against imaginary enemies.

Suffering self induced nightmares that are product of your paranoia. Where masquerades are pursuing you.



What is your experience?

There are witches, there are wizards and there are demons, though their stories and powers are blown out of proportion because of the love of money. Jesus died to set us free from such fears and superstitions and abuses. People make money and take advantage of issues just like the past fuel crises, or even wars and riots and demonstrations, some take advantage of it politically, some use it to revenge, loot, rape, pillage, etc. Same way people take advantage of the ignorance of the gullible. This is not restricted to religion, people perish for lack of knowledge. It's unfortunate.

HardMirror:

There is a simple way of verifying what people say. The holy spirit. Or u don't have the holy spirit?
Stop guess, let the holy spirit witness to u.

So unfortunate you can't see how ordinary you are. If not you won't be here trying to guess if a story is false or not. Guess wrong and expose how fake and empty u are

Lemme help mr Jo here, forgive his skepticism. It's something to do with his understanding/doctrine. Jo is a fellow who believes in eternal security essentially. He believes a christian cannot sin, he's being taught and has taught people that whatever they do, they are children of God and the righteousness of God etc. i'm sure you know his church and more. So the reality of things does not agree with his doctrinal understanding. This are some of the advantages of having correct doctrine. While correct doctrine on tithe, heaven, rapture, trinity etc doesn't exactly save, it has it's uses and helps understanding. Jo is used to people fornicating or lying and having guilty conscience, then he tells them no no no. You are born of God, God sees Jesus not you etc, and the person feels okay and good. But in your case, he sees someone blaspheming and sort of digging deeper into sin as it were, and it doesn't conform with his understanding. So even if the Spirit is telling him something else, his long years and doctrinal teachings are telling him differently. Your case though is very pathetic, it is what some refer to as apostasy. In your case, you have no Holy Spirit to convict you of sin. You've somehow grieved Him. It is the Holy Spirit and our spirit(conscience) that convinces us to accept Jesus and repent. You are left with only your conscience, hence very very very slim chance for you i must say.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


cc: Joagbaje, Olaadegbu, AnalyticalEngine

Image123:

Lemme help mr Jo here,

You're not helping jo , rather you're feeding your religious belly .

forgive his skepticism. It's something to do with his understanding/doctrine. Jo is a fellow who believes in eternal security essentially. He believes a christian cannot sin, he's being taught and has taught people that whatever they do, they are children of God and the righteousness of God etc. i'm sure you know his church and more. So the reality of things does not agree with his doctrinal understanding. This are some of the advantages of having correct doctrine. While correct doctrine on tithe, heaven, rapture, trinity etc doesn't exactly save, it has it's uses and helps understanding. Jo is used to people fornicating or lying and having guilty conscience, then he tells them no no no. You are born of God, God sees Jesus not you etc, and the person feels okay and good. But in your case, he sees someone blaspheming and sort of digging deeper into sin as it were, and it doesn't conform with his understanding. So even if the Spirit is telling him something else, his long years and doctrinal teachings are telling him differently. Your case though is very pathetic, it is what some refer to as apostasy. In your case, you have no Holy Spirit to convict you of sin. You've somehow grieved Him. It is the Holy Spirit and our spirit(conscience) that convinces us to accept Jesus and repent. You are left with only your conscience, hence very very very slim chance for you i must say.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
cc: Joagbaje, Olaadegbu, AnalyticalEngine

You are just a religious bigot ,still indulge in this childish "MY CHURCH IS BETTER THAN YOURS" . Try to win approval by prejudice . Beside you're wrong on what I believe . You don't speak for me . If you want to know what I believe ,simply ask. And repent of this carnality of yours . God bless you

HardMirror:

[b]There is a simple way of verifying what people say. The holy spirit. [/b]Or u don't have the holy spirit?
Stop guess, let the holy spirit witness to u.

So unfortunate you can't see how ordinary you are. If not you won't be here trying to guess if a story is false or not. Guess wrong and expose how fake and empty u are

So the Holy Spirit verified to you what Frank said or whoever told you this tale? Amazing!

Image123:


Lemme help mr Jo here, forgive his skepticism. It's something to do with his understanding/doctrine. Jo is a fellow who believes in eternal security essentially. He believes a christian cannot sin, he's being taught and has taught people that whatever they do, they are children of God and the righteousness of God etc. i'm sure you know his church and more. So the reality of things does not agree with his doctrinal understanding. This are some of the advantages of having correct doctrine. While correct doctrine on tithe, heaven, rapture, trinity etc doesn't exactly save, it has it's uses and helps understanding. Jo is used to people fornicating or lying and having guilty conscience, then he tells them no no no. You are born of God, God sees Jesus not you etc, and the person feels okay and good. But in your case, he sees someone blaspheming and sort of digging deeper into sin as it were, and it doesn't conform with his understanding.

You want to help Jo?

I'm disappointed bro! Do you now lie around threads, misrepresenting another for whatever reasons you can conjure? Well, I can prove you're lying on several counts. For example you lied that

Jo is a fellow who believes in eternal security essentially

Well, nairaland archives disagrees with you.
https://www.nairaland.com/2935665/did-joseph-prince-really-say/1#42974993

I don't even want to get into the last above bold lines to prove you're lying as i proved above..I think it'd be proper to apologise to Jo

So even if the Spirit is telling him something else, his long years and doctrinal teachings are telling him differently.

You sound so much like Ola, with the My-Church-is-holier-than-yours attitude. You deeper life now?

Your case though is very pathetic, it is what some refer to as apostasy. In your case, you have no Holy Spirit to convict you of sin. You've somehow grieved Him. It is the Holy Spirit and our spirit(conscience) that convinces us to accept Jesus and repent. You are left with only your conscience, hence very very very slim chance for you i must say.

This is soooooooooo Ola

Joagbaje:


You are just a religious bigot ,still indulge in this childish "MY CHURCH IS BETTER THAN YOURS" . Try to win approval by prejudice . Beside you're wrong on what I believe . You don't speak for me . If you want to know what I believe ,simply ask. And repent of this carnality of yours . God bless you

Very apt response Jo, especially the underlined. See Image123 wan help you oooooooo . Him don turn lawyer ni?

They'd now come and term me your lawyer because i spoke about facts.... But Joagbaje, Didn't His post make you laugh as it made me when i saw it?

When I saw his false accusations, i was like



He wrote like Ola sha... His DLBC background is finally taking an evolutionary stand like Ola's.


@Hardmirror... your stories are nothing but tales... You are the one now asking for proof of the existence of witches, demons etc, forgetting you wrote thus feww weeks ago

WITCHCRAFT
REAL
Believe it or not witchcraft is real.

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian/3#45195843



I am in Osogbo now , and i can take up your matter, can you tell me the Bishop's name and name of church you claimed you attended in Osogbo, so that I can use to verify your claims? Can i have the details of the deaf guy who stays at Capital ( although no way of confirming from him what happened exactly)? ALL those you may have known while a Christian/Pastor in Osogbo.. kindly furnish me with them details. thanks

Joagbaje:


You're not helping jo , rather you're feeding your religious belly .



You are just a religious bigot ,still indulge in this childish "MY CHURCH IS BETTER THAN YOURS" . Try to win approval by prejudice . Beside you're wrong on what I believe . You don't speak for me . If you want to know what I believe ,simply ask. And repent of this carnality of yours . God bless you

You should have said nothing, it's better than ending up saying nothing. Use your discretion.