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| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by engrhorla(m): 12:37am On Jun 14, 2016 |
DEAFandDUMB: OMG! You just summarised my point, you know that right! However, in project management, project team members are supposed to disagree in order to agree! Seriously, the easy route is to just throw in the towel! But the 'peak is in us'..we can make some headways here. I honestly believe that 1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by oweniwe(m): 12:40am On Jun 14, 2016 |
mikolo80: Though I am pressed to, I don't want to insult you... IGP (Tafa Balogun) is an employee of the FG.... He was not prosecuted while in office ... He first sacked by obasanjo (no more immunity) before he was arrested and charged to court and convicted... Same with Ibori... Ibori was inly arrested and jailed when he left office. Immunity clause says you cannot prosecute a serving political Official .. serving... And before court can convict him, he has to leave office first. Now tell mw who cannot read btw me and you? The other People you mentioned ... Farouk... Saraki... Even tinubu was charged to the CCT ... Was any of them ever convicted or jailed? Yes or No? If your answer in No, don't quote me again 3 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 12:40am On Jun 14, 2016 |
WILLIAMS10: Wow.. You've got an anonymous student here Sir.. Lol. Thanks for Your great input.. But I would love to ask you my own dicy question.. Why can't the two major political parties we have in Nigeria present an Igbo man as there presidential candidate for an election?? 1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by engrhorla(m): 12:40am On Jun 14, 2016 |
gevans: From the experiences of Sudan and South Sudan, we need to tread cautiously the secession path. You are right though, being together is not by force! |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Dminister(m): 12:41am On Jun 14, 2016 |
[quote author=lionshare post=46550948] Comparative Politics...Why is it that all pol sys dont perform the same way? Have you considered the factors inherent in each system? Besides, so you think USA, Germany, India, Canada e.t.c, did not consider fiscal federalism before opting for federalism. Do you know the only major country claiming to be a con-federal state is Switzerland yet it has a strong central govt?[/quote US operating rigid constitution which means it is codified in one document and amendment is very difficult not like ours which is very flexible, easy to amend. would you now say nigeria should operate rigid constitution to make the central powerful? it's also depend on the constitution. one country may combine different systems of government to perform very well while another may choose to operate only systems. There are some countries operating the same federal system while their legislature is unicameral meaning only one house chamber abinitio while Nigeria is operating bicameral. if one advocated nigeria should operate unicameral legislature because of the extra cost of running bicameral then Nigeria should be ready to accommodate delay in passing bill into laws. This is the reason comparative politics as a course is very important. You said Switzerland is operating con-federal but do you know that it may be operating con-federal system while it is operating the structures of unitary system? note: con-federal is a totally weak central government, federal shares some of it powers with the regional governments in only the residual list and true federalism is not totally weak because defence and foreign affairs functions are left for it to perform. 1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 12:44am On Jun 14, 2016 |
engrhorla: Same with me Sir.. I strongly believe that Nigeria will be great again.. |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by ibietela2(m): 12:44am On Jun 14, 2016 |
DEAFandDUMB: Who wants to start the demanding? |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by WILLIAMS10: 12:45am On Jun 14, 2016 |
gevans: Hmmmmm..is secession really a helpful solution?if I give u Nigeria on a platter,how will u divide it?four regions wld be my guess..will u consider the mid-west problem(Edo and delta),even with pockets of Igbo communities e.g. Okwasshiukwu..even if u call them South-South,where they not extracted from the western region in 1962?also consider their proximity..now,let's go across the niger bridge,rivers,Abia,akwa ibom,IMO,anambra,how close are they?do u remember the creation of 12 states that further separated them in 1967?.. Now,away frm geography,what happens to family ties(inter-marriages)? Is it flag independence that matters or viability of the state?will weak states not depend on foreign powers(neocolonialism)? I'll stop here,for now. 4 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by engrhorla(m): 12:47am On Jun 14, 2016 |
@DeafandDumb @Williams10 It's so bad the way northerners and easterners see themselves..the mutual distrust is visible to the blind! But like it has been pointed out, it's our cross Perhaps, one day gazing into the future like BankPHB that said cars will run on water, an Ibo man will gladly and wholeheartedly break kola for his Hausa brother! It is possible! Let me have an Amen!  1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by oweniwe(m): 12:51am On Jun 14, 2016 |
engrhorla: How old is Nigeria that it is too young to practice fiscal federalism? The last states creation was in 1996... 2016 makes it 20 years... How old is Nigeria that it is too young? Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Egypt all got independence around the same time with Nigeria ... Nigeria was better than them... Today, they are far ahead of Nigeria . How old is Nigeria again that it is too young to practice fiscal federalism? How many years old must Nigeria be before it can practice federalism? 4 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 12:51am On Jun 14, 2016 |
oweniwe: People CAN build. People WON'T ,no matter the system of govt WHY, because we are lazy. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 12:51am On Jun 14, 2016 |
engrhorla: Amen.. Hope you've heard that both PDP and APC are gunning for a Northerner as their party flag bearer for 2019 presidential election.. |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 12:53am On Jun 14, 2016 |
ibietela2:I can leave the struggle but I believe together we can achieve it... You, me and every other person out there that has the interest of a better Nigeria at heart.. |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by WILLIAMS10: 12:55am On Jun 14, 2016 |
DEAFandDUMB: How best do I answer ur question but with illustration.Permit me to take u on a journey down memory lane;that's d historian in me. In Northern America(USA)we have a dichotomy;white and black distrust and overt malfeasance and bigotry. We had anemic laws upholding this bitterness and angst(dred scot,jim crow and so on)..even when Lincoln emancipated the slaves in 1863,the white folks still felt superior(ask a kkk). Now we had Dr.King frm d South and Malcom frm d North ..can u forget King's "I have a dream" speech? With is non-violent antics..today,has his dream not materialised(Obama)even amidst the hate and spitefulness..so my dear...I Henryking Voltaire,I HAVE A DREAM..one day this nation will rise above hate and ethnicity and reap the true meaning of democracy and federalism! 3 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 12:56am On Jun 14, 2016 |
DMerciful: Yes socialism is not an optimum solution. I personally detest it. But we do not have socialism. We have a mixed system. All systems except Cuba and North Korea are mixed. So where are our capitalists (apart from dangote and Otedola, innoson dem) What stops you from entering the farm and planting Palm oil. (imagine 1 million jobless youth planting Palm oil) fear no go catch Malaysia? No they all want to drink Moet and Chandon in the club. But will you, I don't think so. No you'd rather point at blame somebody else. Same way you will blame something else when you get the regionalism. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 12:57am On Jun 14, 2016 |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by 1b8m: 1:00am On Jun 14, 2016 |
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? could ipob be the beast? could the indignant birds be bokoharam, fulani herds men and NDA? could "the centre" be nigeria? could our junketeering president be the falcon who cant hear the falconer (advicers)? is the second coming a prophesy? |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:01am On Jun 14, 2016 |
Standing5:go to Saudi. Go to Qatar, nobody works where there is oil money. That's called laziness. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by ibietela2(m): 1:02am On Jun 14, 2016 |
DEAFandDUMB:  1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 1:02am On Jun 14, 2016 |
WILLIAMS10: I have same dream too Sir... You answered the question like you are on a live t.v show.. Since its a delicate issue, you choose to use illustrations to avoid hitting up the polity.. Lol Thanks a lot Sir.. I've learnt alot today.. 3 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by engrhorla(m): 1:03am On Jun 14, 2016 |
oweniwe: Like Awolowo said, Nigeria is a mere geographical entity! That is why you can't really compare Nigeria to those countries Egyptians are to a great extent one people We don't have that! The number of tribes in Kogi state itself is wahala Moreso, I said we are democratically too young! Our democracy is still 16years The major opposition party as at now has no National Party Chairman! That was and is my point - we seem a bit democratically young!we are still having cases of 5 lawmakers impeaching a speaker over-ruling other 15 lawmakers! 2 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Oildichotomy(m): 1:04am On Jun 14, 2016 |
lionshare:You seem to be very confident with your pessimism about the South-South. What gave you that strong impression if I may ask? 1 Like |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:09am On Jun 14, 2016 |
Shewunoshewa:I should be a westerner but I'm referred to as middle belt. I am a minority in my state. But we know how we make our voice heard. All you do is complain on nairaland. Define restructuring. You can't. I can bet my life on it. You don't even know what it means. Even with dictionary. Describe true federalism. Same as above. We complained during slavery Complained during colonisation Complained during first republic Complained during military rule Complained second republic Complained from three states To 9 states To 19 states To 36 states Parliamentary to presidential Option a 4 to the nonsense we have now. Without complain epp? Now it's poor true federalism we want to blame. Japan and Singapore have no single resource. Other countries rejected them.Israel's surrounded by hostile desert and hostile neighbours. Yet they have thrived . Federalism de him house de relax una just de blast him name anyhow. 7 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by oweniwe(m): 1:12am On Jun 14, 2016 |
lionshare: How many tribes or ethnic groups are in Germany, Canada, USA, India or Switzerland ... Compared to Nigeria? We all read advantages and disadvantages of various systems of government in school nau. If there are few ethnic groups in a country, you may adopt unitary/central system of government ... Switzerland land mass is very small so federalism does not suit it. But in a country like Nigeria where you have over a hundred ethnic groups... Hausa, igbo, yoruna, bini, kanuri, urhobo, tiv, idoma, efik, ijaw, ijebu, fulani.... And you want to practice unitary system of government ... That country will never work... Because ... Even though they are jammed into one country, they will never work together. If one tribe want to do this, the other tribes will do all they can to frustrate them. IBB Frustrated Abiola... Abacha locked up obasanjo... Obasanjo frustrated Atiku... Boko haram frustrated GEJ... Buhari locked up Nnamdi Kanu... Niger Delta militants are frustrating Buhari... You see am? Do u still think strong Center fits Nigeria? 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:16am On Jun 14, 2016 |
LudaChriz:How many states have Lagos population? Do you and all your classmates farm same salary? Does that stop you from striving to achieve more? What steps have other states taken to improve their revenue? Every youth wants to go there. Congestion, pollution, crime, stress, low quality of life,high cost of land, gig's cost of starting business. Atlantic Ocean wahala. Flooding every year. All while being in opposition for 16 years BTW Now tell me which other state in has these disadvantages? The grass is always greener on the other side And you are very stoopid for showing the world that your mother failed to give you home training by insulting someone who never insulted you. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by castrokins(m): 1:17am On Jun 14, 2016 |
@DeafandDumb, Thumps Up For Bringing This Up. I've Spent Over 3hrs Going Through Every Contribution Here To Such Extent That My Eyes Hurt...My Problem Lol. Nigerians Are Intelligent And Blessed. We Know Our Problems And From Comments Here, We Can Clearly Define Solutions To Them. I Am For Regionalism And Decentralization Of Power. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:29am On Jun 14, 2016 |
tee10:Malaysia has 4 million hectare of Palm oil worth about two trillion naira. Only goodness knows how much it makes with value-added. (soap, food additives etc) How does railways concern states planting food and cash crops. Is dangote using nepa? Yet states cannot build industrial estates ? Only oil is in exclusive legislative list? We sell oil 100 a barrel and oyinbo beer value 1000 dollars a barrel. You foolishly ignore the opportunity to build refinery and earn 900 and instead focus on 100 lazy no investment dollars? Do you know what ignorant means? Can you fiNd it in dictionary or even google? That's how handicapped you are? Mentally handicapped and yet you think you sound knowledgeable but you sound retarded insulting someone who did not insult you. I insulted someone who chose to insult me FIRST. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A BASTARD slowpoke FOOL. |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by oweniwe(m): 1:32am On Jun 14, 2016 |
engrhorla: Maturity is not a matter of age. There are young people who are wise and old people who are foolish. Technically speaking, young people are more skilled than old people ... The people who are running Nigeria ' s democracy are not 16 years old... Buhari has been in government since when? He was petroleum minister in 1976.. head of state in 1982 ... Ptdf chairman under Abacha... Though democracy is 16 yrs old... The people who run it are not kids... They are grand parents They have not changed since the last 16 years... If we give them another 16 or even 30 years, do u think they will change? Lost time can never be recovered ... Why are we wasting precious time on a system where everything is do or die affair and why should we devoted more precious time to the same faulty system? If your TV at home is not working ... Take it for repairs.... If it doesn't work properly after repairs, throw it away and buy new TV Who has time for nonsense? 3 Likes |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by gevans(m): 1:34am On Jun 14, 2016 |
WILLIAMS10: Sir, all i am saying is that secession should not b use as excuse, for the failure of us not to be able to practice true federalism. I have one question for u sir, do u think that we really see ourselves as one? n do you think this fedro-unitary system of govt will work some day? |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:37am On Jun 14, 2016 |
oweniwe:Quote it from the constitution. And I will do anything you want me to do. Give me the section and I will check it. Cos I no even see the whole immunity for the copy wen I get cut I am very sure I can bet my life on it. Show me where that kangaroo constitution is and....... But but if you cannot show me Tunda faya you and all your descendants |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by mikolo80: 1:38am On Jun 14, 2016 |
oweniwe:don't change goal post. You claimed they had immunity. Anyone can bribe judges and lawyers today. Hunger trumps integrity today |
| Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by oweniwe(m): 1:49am On Jun 14, 2016 |
mikolo80: Dangote is not a state... Dangote is private investor... Capitalism... The same states that are broke and cannot pay salaries... You say states should build this and build that... That is .. socialism.. we had nepa, nitel, Nigerian airways, Nigerian rail... States have their own industries and corporations too... Where are all of them now? They are moribund because the states cannot manage them Dangote... All the industries in Malaysia ... They are privately owned.... They're not run by states... Is it states that built Dangote cement factories? Is it Lagos state government that is building dangote refinary? Why then are u saying states should waste money building industries and infrastructure they cannot optimally manage? I hope you studied government in secondary school... Maybe you were science student in SSS and didn't study government. Are you for socialism or capitalism ...?? Because ... You seem to be jamming the two together 1 Like 1 Share |
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