DEAFandDUMB:


Really??

Thought we use to export rubber, cocoa, textile and even palm oil and what have you... When agriculture was our main source of income and revenue generation before the birth of the evil child called crude oil..

engrhorla:


Like Awolowo said, Nigeria is a mere geographical entity! That is why you can't really compare Nigeria to those countries

Egyptians are to a great extent one people

We don't have that! The number of tribes in Kogi state itself is wahala

Moreso, I said we are democratically too young! Our democracy is still 16years

The major opposition party as at now has no National Party Chairman!

That was and is my point - we seem a bit democratically young!we are still having cases of 5 lawmakers impeaching a speaker over-ruling other 15 lawmakers!

oweniwe:


Though I am pressed to, I don't want to insult you...

IGP (Tafa Balogun) is an employee of the FG.... He was not prosecuted while in office ... He first sacked by obasanjo (no more immunity) before he was arrested and charged to court and convicted... Same with Ibori... Ibori was inly arrested and jailed when he left office.

Immunity clause says you cannot prosecute a serving political Official .. serving... And before court can convict him, he has to leave office first.

Now tell mw who cannot read btw me and you?

The other People you mentioned ... Farouk... Saraki... Even tinubu was charged to the CCT ... Was any of them ever convicted or jailed?

Yes or No?

If your answer in No, don't quote me again

lionshare:
Interesting, I see a lot of uninformed folks shouting True federalism lately. First and foremost, there is nothing like True Federalism in the real sense of it, you either have federalism or another system of government. Now,what i believe most people meant to say is Ideal federalism, though its noteworthy to asserts that federalism as systems takes into consideration the peculiarity of the people.

What I think people should clamor for is greater autonomy of the LG and States. Even if you consider the American, the Center is still more powerful than any other entity and that's an Ideal Federalism, but when the states and Lg's have more autonomy mostly over domestic security and resources they can formulate policies within the federal structure and pursue their individual growth and development without waiting for the central government.

However, I personally doubt if the so called Ideal federalism can work in Nigeria, only a few states will survive; nepotism, favoritism and patronage will ruin many states. For example south south governors will allocate oil wells to the friends and family who will not even bother to pay taxes to the government purse but pay money to the governors account. Tell me how will the states survive? Food for thought! I see only a few states like Lagos, Anambra, Edo e.t.c; because relatively this states are more less of an egalitarian societies wherein anyone can strive to make it to the top and achieve some level of success even if you are not born of a silver spoon or belong to the political/elite class.

mikolo80:

Quote it from the constitution.
And I will do anything you want me to do.
Give me the section and I will check it.

Tunda faya you and all your descendants

mikolo80:
Quote it from the constitution.
And I will do anything you want me to do.
Give me the section and I will check it.

mikolo80:

It's section 308 you bastard son of LovePeddler

Unbrandedguy:
Having read all advantageous effects. I state the disadvantages:
1. States have right to form state police, Nig govt fears this will create room for state rebellion and subsequently use police for state govt personal purposes.
2. States have right to be autonomous, a room Nig govt sees as introduction to seccession.
3. States control their resources, Nig govt feels this would leave many states in the north impoverished.
4. State govt earns varied salaries, Nig govt feels some southern states will have more money and enslave others.
5. States finally have right to leave or stay as one entity in Nig. A light to achieving Biafra/ND republic, Oduduwa republic etc. Nig govt does not want that to happen..

These are disadvantages..
Its for us to check if they weigh up to, or outweight the advantages.

oweniwe:


Dangote is not a state... Dangote is private investor... Capitalism...


Agreed

The same states that are broke and cannot pay salaries... You say states should build this and build that... That is .. socialism.. we had nepa, nitel, Nigerian airways, Nigerian rail...
b]
Have they been broke for 60 years?

[/b]
States have their own industries and corporations too...

Where are all of them now? They are moribund because the states cannot manage them
b]
Let them attempt to sell it and you will see labour rise up. Benue refused to sell to dangote so he built his own

[/b]
Dangote... All the industries in Malaysia ... They are privately owned.... They're not run by states... Is it states that built Dangote cement factories? Is it Lagos state government that is building dangote refinary?
b]
Google the Malaysian Palm oil board and stop displaying your laziness to do basic research

[/b]
Why then are u saying states should waste money building industries and infrastructure they cannot optimally manage?
b]
Estates industrial estates
Only govt can afford infrastructure (power mainly)
Just cuz gas turbine and 2jdap bush and beg industries to come. No need for any licence from federal govt.
Or.
They can be concessioned to private managers like... Bi Courtney

[/b]
I hope you studied government in secondary school... Maybe you were science student in SSS and didn't study government.
b]
I'm afraid for my country if ppl like you that read the govt and still can't solve any problem becomes a political leader with this defeatist mentality.o I forgot they already are. O well till we reach there to show you it can be done keep shouting slogans you don't know the meaning of.

[/b]
Are you for socialism or capitalism ...?? Because ... You seem to be jamming the two together

oweniwe:
Before...



Now... You modified an earlier comment after I had showed you the section


You are very confused...

E be like say sleep dey worry you...

Go to bed my son.

And dont quote me again cos if u do, I will not reply you

oweniwe:


Why are u quick to abusing people? Did I insult you?

Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution verbatim. The Section provides:

(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Constitution, but subject to subsection (2) of this section -

(a) No civil or criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against a person to whom this section applies during his period of office;

(b) A person to whom this section applies shall not be arrested or imprisoned during that period either in pursuance of the process of any court or otherwise; and

(c) No process of any court requiring or compelling the appearance of a person to whom this section applies, shall be applied for or issued: Provided that in ascertaining whether any period of limitation has expired for the purposes of any proceedings against a person to whom this section applies, no account shall be taken of his period of office.

(2) The provisions of subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to civil proceedings against a person to whom this section applies in his official capacity or to civil or criminal proceedings in which such a person is only a nominal party.

(3) This section applies to a person holding the office of President or Vice-President, Governor or Deputy Governor; and the reference in this section to "period of office" is a reference to the period during which the person holding such office is required to perform the functions of the office.

I have provided the section for you...

It is you... Your ancestors ... Descendants and entire generation that thunder will fire... Tsunami back to sender...!!..

WILLIAMS10:


will u consider the mid-west problem(Edo and delta),even with pockets of Igbo communities e.g. Okwasshiukwu..

even if u call them South-South,where they not extracted from the western region in 1962?

Now,away frm geography,what happens to family ties(inter-marriages)?

Is it flag independence that matters or viability of the state?

DEAFandDUMB:
Now I understand why most celebrities go unclad just to get people's attention because as a girl, if I had posted my semi nvde pictures here, am certain the thread must have been bubbling by now but since the topic is about making Nigeria a better place, only few like minds deem it fit to contribute their quota.. To all those that submitted one or two great points, I say thank you all.. I really do appreciate... I strongly believe that Nigeria will be great again..

mikolo80:
one question.
no critical thinking involved.
who built this American system you gush about.?
it fell from heaven ba.?
think or at least do extensive research bfor you insult ppl you don't know on subjects you are I'll informed to comment on.

I challenge you to mention the part of the ''system '' that stops a governor from developing his state.
fashola was opposed by obj/pdp when he achieved most of his achievements in Lagos o.

DEAFandDUMB:


Please can we concentrate more on the topic of discourse and not let tribe reasoning get involved in it.. If your point butters on secession, you can then state while you think Biafra is the advantage and disadvantage of true federalism... Let's hear from you Sir... The mic is in your hands now..

mikolo80:
go to Saudi. Go to Qatar, nobody works where there is oil money.

That's called laziness.

mikolo80:
who stopped you from being involved.?
where is the power not separated? mention 3,I dare you.
does Abuja budget for your governors and commissioners?
nonsense

adimsmt:



Ignorance is really a disease.

Standing5:
Stop being unnecesarily stubborn. The current federal system clearly breeds laziness. You are simply to proud to admit you got it wrong on this.

mikolo80:


Wait how does the fg breed laziness exactly.
Imagine for example
your father refused to pay your school fees so you won't look for alternative. Did the fg hold the govnor or senators. When they were looting did the fg stop them. Who is holding the Civil servants from farming when they know salary will not be steady.who is stopping... You know what I give up. When you become govnor.don't do anything. Spend 8 years blaming fg

mikolo80:
Malaysia has 4 million hectare of Palm oil worth about two trillion naira. Only goodness knows how much it makes with value-added. (soap, food additives etc)

How does railways concern states planting food and cash crops.

Is dangote using nepa? Yet states cannot build industrial estates ?
Only oil is in exclusive legislative list?
We sell oil 100 a barrel and oyinbo beer value 1000 dollars a barrel.

You foolishly ignore the opportunity to build refinery and earn 900 and instead focus on 100 lazy no investment dollars?

Do you know what ignorant means?
Can you fiNd it in dictionary or even google?
That's how handicapped you are?
Mentally handicapped and yet you think you sound knowledgeable but you sound retarded insulting someone who did not insult you.
I insulted someone who chose to insult me FIRST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A BASTARD slowpoke FOOL.

Unbrandedguy:
Having read all advantageous effects. I state the disadvantages:
1. States have right to form state police, Nig govt fears this will create room for state rebellion and subsequently use police for state govt personal purposes.
2. States have right to be autonomous, a room Nig govt sees as introduction to seccession.
3. States control their resources, Nig govt feels this would leave many states in the north impoverished.
4. State govt earns varied salaries, Nig govt feels some southern states will have more money and enslave others.
5. States finally have right to leave or stay as one entity in Nig. A light to achieving Biafra/ND republic, Oduduwa republic etc. Nig govt does not want that to happen..

These are disadvantages..
Its for us to check if they weigh up to, or outweight the advantages.

Unbrandedguy:
Having read all advantageous effects. I state the disadvantages:
1. States have right to form state police, Nig govt fears this will create room for state rebellion and subsequently use police for state govt personal purposes.
2. States have right to be autonomous, a room Nig govt sees as introduction to seccession.
3. States control their resources, Nig govt feels this would leave many states in the north impoverished.
4. State govt earns varied salaries, Nig govt feels some southern states will have more money and enslave others.
5. States finally have right to leave or stay as one entity in Nig. A light to achieving Biafra/ND republic, Oduduwa republic etc. Nig govt does not want that to happen..

These are disadvantages..
Its for us to check if they weigh up to, or outweight the advantages.

Eddygourdo:
Its the exact opposite of what we have, today power is concentrated at the centre at federal level, yet the closet government to the people is the state and local, the federal government generates funds from critucal areas of the country and shares this proceeds on a fixed formular to the states. This method is flawed because it has renderedd us a mono economy heavily dependent on oil. We haven't been able to tap the resources in other states and its very difficult for the dividends on democracy to reach the common man. Thus true federalism in this context is based majorly on resource control. Power must shift to the regions, we must weaken the government at the centre and transfer power to the regions. This means states would generate and develop their regions with whatever exists there while the contribute a token to the centre for running federal units like the military and unuversities. This implies that nigeria woould become a diversified economy faster in that structure than in our current one. That system reduces the importance of the president on local affairs and eliminantes traibal and religious bias in politics, as regional head have to contest amongst his or her own people unlike in the current structure

DEAFandDUMB:

I can leave the struggle but I believe together we can achieve it... You, me and every other person out there that has the interest of a better Nigeria at heart..

Oildichotomy:


Please I am from the mid-west and I can't remember any problem with the current geo-political zone as being structured and they are just not. pockets of Igbo communities, they take about 11 LG out of 25 LGs of Delta state.


This is not a problem as earlier stated


Really? When does inter-marriages become a problem with secession? The worst case example of North and South Korea break is well managed as it is


Viability matters hence the need for true federalism as being clamoured for currently. Worst case we secede

Eddygourdo:
Its the exact opposite of what we have, today power is concentrated at the centre at federal level, yet the closet government to the people is the state and local, the federal government generates funds from critucal areas of the country and shares this proceeds on a fixed formular to the states. This method is flawed because it has renderedd us a mono economy heavily dependent on oil. We haven't been able to tap the resources in other states and its very difficult for the dividends on democracy to reach the common man. Thus true federalism in this context is based majorly on resource control. Power must shift to the regions, we must weaken the government at the centre and transfer power to the regions. This means states would generate and develop their regions with whatever exists there while the contribute a token to the centre for running federal units like the military and unuversities. This implies that nigeria woould become a diversified economy faster in that structure than in our current one. That system reduces the importance of the president on local affairs and eliminantes traibal and religious bias in politics, as regional head have to contest amongst his or her own people unlike in the current structure