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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by forgiveness: 11:07am On Jun 14, 2016
ogwuche4u:

federalism will divide Nigeria and Nigeria must not divide. [b]The pioneers of Nigeria will always stand against. [/b]lets just forget federalism and embrace power at the center. God knows why he made Nigeria. we all need each other to survive. one blessed nation. all we need do is know the fact that death will come to us all one day and no man is immortal. with that at the back of our mind, fairness and equity, peace and progress will lead. we have what it takes to make Nigeria great but greed and corruption has eaten so deep into each and everyone one of us.

@bolded what was the system of government our pioneer embraced rightly before or after independent?
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Oracle16(m): 11:15am On Jun 14, 2016
True Federalism or total splitting of the country is the only way out.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Lamasta(m): 11:16am On Jun 14, 2016
Eddygourdo:
hmmmm you take the ignorant word you dished out as an insult ? What hypocrisy. You talk with such high esteemed knowledge, this is you who knowledge, certificate, research, or anything intellectual is still an up and coming babe, yet you speak to me as though we equals. I am obliging you because I feel in the mood, come down from your self deception. Before we will proceed, in my community we use a google search to know who one is in this world. drop ur name and I will drop mine, a google search should erase all doubt that you are an up and coming babe and should be grateful that I responded to you. To brag about a subjject as mute and daft as government shows u are slow. put up ur real name , I want to shame you and humble you for good. Googlle will be our friend
You guys should argue constructively and not destructively pls.....Shalom
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by inzaghi1(m): 11:21am On Jun 14, 2016
Federalism refers to a compound mode of government, combining a federal' government with regional governments (provincial, state, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system. Its distinctive feature, exemplified in the founding example of modern federalism of the United State Of America .
It can thus be defined as a form of government in which there is a division of powers between two levels of government of equal status.

Advantages of federalism
Fosters state loyalties: Many Nigerians will feel close ties to their home state, and federalism maintains that connection by giving power to the states.
Practices pragmatism: Running a country the size of Nigeria, with such a diverse population, is much easier to do if power is given to local officials. Likewise, state and local officials are closer to the problems of their areas, so it makes sense for them to choose policies to solve those problems.
Creates laboratories of democracy: State governments can experiment with policies, and other states (and the federal government) can learn from their successes and failures.
Encourages pluralism: Federal systems expand government on national, state, and local levels, giving people more access to leaders and opportunities to get involved in their government.
Ensures the separation of powers and prevents tyranny: Even if one person or group took control of all three branches of the federal government, federalism ensures that state governments would still function independently. Federalism, therefore, fulfills the framers’ vision of a governmental structure that ensures liberty.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by murmee: 11:22am On Jun 14, 2016
Eddygourdo:
its a win or lose situation in federal structure, if the state doesn't do what it ought to do to generate funds, it can't get or expect aid from anywhere, the current system made the governors lazy and many forgot their roles, why invest when they can as well wait for monthly allocations from the center. That is part of the problem, the current system bred laziness. Plus people will be able to hold their leaders more accountable , eg all we here is buhari this , buhari that, and nobody has thought it wise to blame the local councillor, chairman or governor for incompetence.
This is a very sound and eye opening post. Kudos!

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Oracle16(m): 11:24am On Jun 14, 2016
mikolo80:
who stopped you from planting Palm oyel and Co. building refinery and industrial parks
.you just complain,no effort to fix what you can. is it not the same thieves that will come to rule at state level
mention the power that states do not have. you no fit. it's sad that you are the ppl we have to campaign to soon


Your reasoning is so archaic. It's your kind that has kept Nigeria at this level.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Oildichotomy(m): 11:25am On Jun 14, 2016
saintdennis:


That worst case scenario u mentioning right now can lead to a world war so I only pointed out why it was a bad thing to add.

I sincerely don't want to digress from the subject of this thread but please World War

You are simply dragging comprehension and understanding of world events to the extreme with your conclusions though. From your analysis of international relations, you still see the likelihood of a World War happening talk more of South/North Korea catalysing it, really?

We have had worst world war causing conflicts since UN-1945 {check history} and none of them snowballed into a full-blown World war?

But you thinking of the possibility of skirmishes in the Korean peninsula to spark it?
OK continue! shocked
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by inzaghi1(m): 11:27am On Jun 14, 2016
Federalism’s Disadvantages

Critics argue that federalism falls short in two ways:

Prevents the creation of a national policy: Nigeria does not have a single policy on issues; instead, it has plenty policies, which often leads to confusion.
Leads to a lack of accountability: The overlap of the boundaries among national and state governments makes it tricky to assign blame for failed policies.

Citizen Ignorance

Critics argue that federalism cannot function well due to ignorance. Most Nigerians know little about their state and local governments, and turnout in state and local elections is often less than 25 percent. Citizens consequently often ignore state and local governments, even though these governments have a lot of power to affect people’s lives.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by murmee: 11:27am On Jun 14, 2016
Eddygourdo:
guess you have an issue with critical thinking, that you don't seem to understand human nature and system models. The existence of the american system forces its citizens to conform to specific standards and same applies here. The mind is free wheeling and its the laws and structures that abound which aligns it to any cause. So oga if the system is wrong, you will keep doing the saame things and getting no results. How do you blame a governor now, didn't u notice many workers are on strike ? And the governors are telling stories of reduced allocations ? Remove that option , change that structure and the governors would understand that its a call to servee, a seat meant only for the competent, where its more difficult to blame another for his incompetence. That you can see it, should speak more of ur ignorance my brother
Did you really have to reply that IGNORAMUS. Anyway, thanks for shedding more light on your earlier post.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by CreativeWeb(m): 11:41am On Jun 14, 2016
India is a typical example of true federalism.

If Nigeria starts practicing federalism, then power will be decentralized. For instance, these ministries will no longer be controlled by the federal government.

1. Education
2. Health
3. Interior
4. Agriculture
5. Petroleum
6. Mineral Resources
7. Transportation
8. Power
9. Works
10. Housing
11. Information
12. Women Affairs
13. Youths and Sports
14. Water and Environment
15. Police Affairs
16. FCT
17. Niger Delta Affairs
18. Labour and Investment
19. Finance
20. Budget and National Planning
21. Justice
22. Etc.

It means that the centre, the federal government will only control 3 ministries.

1. Foreign Affairs
2. Defence
3. Immigration

This means, each state will have and maintain their own police force and prisons. Run their hospitals and schools. Build and maintain their roads. Plan their lives and harvest whatever they have in their States. If there is no crime or low level of crime, they can close their prisons.

You can live in India for one year without knowing or ever hearing from the President. You can occasionally see or hear the Prime Minister on the TV. But you will keep hearing about the impact of the Governor of Delhi like when I was living in Delhi.

True federalism is the best thing that can happen to Nigeria. If you have crude oil in your state, mine it and control it. If you your state is known for Palm oil, explore it and package it better and export it. If it's groundnut or tomatoes, turn it into a multi-billion Naira source of income.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by OlujobaSamuel: 11:44am On Jun 14, 2016
mikolo80:
I did not insult you.
I said if you cannot prove your claim then tunda faya you and your followers.

Clearly you are a functional illiterate (it means you can't read and comprehend bfor you say dis one to na insult)
abeg, I love your submissions, but pls you don't have to insult anyone because you have differed view.
@op, nice one, I have a very strong feeling that this op is a representative of the government of the day, I hope they will take the submissions here into perspective.
to me, our major problem is laziness and not the system we practice.
I will love to use Lagos as an example, I want to avoid the ss or north due to sentiment attached.
The generated revenue for the first quarter of last year during a period of boom when there election funds flowing here and there, Lagos state generated about 20billion less than what was generated this year during a period of crisis.
In my view, it's about the attitude, we need to change our attitude towards the nation before we talk about system, I want to assume majority of us here are less than 35years of age, so we never experienced the regional system(pls nothing like true or whatever federalism, we are only giving it the definition that soothes our narrative) we once had, what is our perception about people of other tribes or ethnic group, how much do we trust them, how do we see the minority in our domain?
our system of government is not the one that makes the civil servants in bayelsa to be lazy, nor the one in osun not to go to farm nor the one in zamfara not to send that baby girl to school nor the one in abia not to see anything wrong in giving you a commodity below what you demand.
We just need to appreciate our system first, then we seek for alternate system to perfect the imperfections, but no one is trying to make this system work.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by OlujobaSamuel: 11:50am On Jun 14, 2016
one thing we should also note is that there is always a way to make a system or law fails. it's not about whatever is written down but how it is implemented. Most of those clamoring for one system or the other today have at one time or the other soiled their names in the mud, yet they will be the same set that will lead whatever system we migrate to.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by kelechi17(m): 11:51am On Jun 14, 2016
mikolo80:
who stopped you from planting Palm oyel and Co. building refinery and industrial parks
.you just complain,no effort to fix what you can. is it not the same thieves that will come to rule at state level
mention the power that states do not have. you no fit. it's sad that you are the ppl we have to campaign to soon
northerner Fulani alert

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by lionshare: 12:02pm On Jun 14, 2016
Oildichotomy:
You seem to be very confident with your pessimism about the South-South.

What gave you that strong impression if I may ask?

My Pessimism is opined by the current situation of SS wherein they have Ministry of ND, Amnesty Programme, 13% Derivation and NDDC but no viable development to show.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by lionshare: 12:05pm On Jun 14, 2016
oweniwe:


How many tribes or ethnic groups are in Germany, Canada, USA, India or Switzerland ... Compared to Nigeria?

We all read advantages and disadvantages of various systems of government in school nau.
federalism does not suit it.
If there are few ethnic groups in a country, you may adopt unitary/central system of government ... Switzerland land mass is very small so

But in a country like Nigeria where you have over a hundred ethnic groups... Hausa, igbo, yoruna, bini, kanuri, urhobo, tiv, idoma, efik, ijaw, ijebu, fulani.... And you want to practice unitary system of government ...

That country will never work... Because ... Even though they are jammed into one country, they will never work together.

If one tribe want to do this, the other tribes will do all they can to frustrate them.

IBB Frustrated Abiola... Abacha locked up obasanjo... Obasanjo frustrated Atiku... Boko haram frustrated GEJ... Buhari locked up Nnamdi Kanu... Niger Delta militants are frustrating Buhari... You see am?

Do u still think strong Center fits Nigeria?

Yes, you need a strong center always. Name one country with some such heterogeneous as Nigeria practicing con-federalism?
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by lionshare: 12:06pm On Jun 14, 2016
AdamsBashforth:

Lionshare, you are not God. You started your piece brilliantly then made a dogs breath out of your conclussions. You have to be open minded you know?

Thanks sir. I am open to learn from you...perhaps my assertions are wrong. Kindly correct me...
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by lionshare: 12:08pm On Jun 14, 2016
soonest:

Sir, but this your statement is contradictory now. If you agree that the above sets the precedence then that means that's the root cause and mother of all corruptions.

Not necessarily, corruption is a foundation issue. If you agree we may work on this...
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by lionshare: 12:10pm On Jun 14, 2016
forgiveness:


Bros, what is the form of government the UK is practicing?

Where three or four countries in one but is controlled by one government.

Each countries have their own police, assemble, athletes representing them international, and control their resources etc.

Con-federalism is only on paper. 10 Downing street controls all other countries in their so called con-federal system.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by ozimec(m): 12:12pm On Jun 14, 2016
WILLIAMS10:







I agree with u solemnly on everything save for the issue of neo-colonialism(colonialism through other means)..which according to Nkrumah is the last and most dangerous stage of imperialism. One major instrument of neocolonialism is Balkanization..the creation of non-viable states who become dependent on foreign aid..That one reason I'll stand against confederacy,because it will lead to "Somalianalisation" and ultimately slide into secession..Thereby create states of irregular sizes and viability. Francophone ex colonies in west Africa still rely heavily on France.;'weak states'

I appreciate your correction. Thanks
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by forgiveness: 12:36pm On Jun 14, 2016
mikolo80:
Malaysia has 4 million hectare of Palm oil worth about two trillion naira. Only goodness knows how much it makes with value-added. (soap, food additives etc)

How does railways concern states planting food and cash crops.

Is dangote using nepa? Yet states cannot build industrial estates ?
Only oil is in exclusive legislative list?
We sell oil 100 a barrel and oyinbo beer value 1000 dollars a barrel.

You foolishly ignore the opportunity to build refinery and earn 900 and instead focus on 100 lazy no investment dollars?

Do you know what ignorant means?
Can you fiNd it in dictionary or even google?
That's how handicapped you are?
Mentally handicapped and yet you think you sound knowledgeable but you sound retarded insulting someone who did not insult you.
I insulted someone who chose to insult me FIRST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A BASTARD slowpoke FOOL.


Well, I think you tailored your point to leadership which I think is very important but you neglected the other side necessary for electing good leaders.


Let me first of all answer and ask questions from what you wrote above.


You said the land is there for cultivation, right?

Please, tell me I pray you, how many states have 4 millions hectares of land to plant Palm oil?

What about states that do not have Land for industrial agriculture such as Bayelsa, Lagos etc, what should they fall on?

How much does it cost to go for Industrial Agriculture?

What is the federal allocation of each state?

How much will remain after paying salaries, spending on capital projects etc?

Or do they just forget about paying salaries and other important projects and focus only on farming with the Federal allocation?


With such investment, who protects or secures the investment, I hope you are are aware of the herdsmen, kidnappers(you must have heard about Olufalaye) etc?

Is it with the Federal government police that got paid by the Federal government money and that has no stake in the investment, whether the investment fails or succeeds, he kwonchin them?

Who will invest in such hostile conditions?


2, About rail, Don't you know what they call economic right, in fact fundermental human rights (freedom of conscience and thought, right to some measure of economic well being and a good standard of living) where you are free to think big and dream bigger?

Is it a sin to think big and excersice your right or execute your dream?

Don't you think it is a way of improving the standard of living and the economic of a state?

Does the government gives total freedom to build and run a railway system in a state?

Does the other states desires to have such system?


3, Who built Ikeja, Ilupeju, etc industrial estates in Lagos and Oluyole etc industrial estates in Oyo State?

Under which system of government where they built?

4, Can the state produce its own light?

Who frustrated the Lagos State government under the leadership of Tinubu from building one? Why?

Can generator or whatever Dangote is using to power his private business be commercialised?


4, whose duty is to build refinery some years ago and why?

Can the state build one considering the amount left after paying salaries?

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by forgiveness: 12:40pm On Jun 14, 2016
lionshare:


Con-federalism is only on paper. 10 Downing street controls all other countries in their so called con-federal system.


I thing that system will be best after doing some adjustments to suit our own heterogenous country.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by masseratti: 1:02pm On Jun 14, 2016
Jonwesley:


No now, because if what he said? But he enjoyed what he saw. Why trying to deprive others of such a beauty to behold. Be bold to accept your blessings as endowed by God. Nothing is wrong about the DP. Don't switch please.
haaa wicked dude, yeah She is pretty, but Trust me guys can be annoying alot of times with unnecessary pm In your inbox, if people want to ogle on pictures, instagram is there you can look till you drop, its a faceless forum for a reason, main reason is that you can say your mind without any fear of physical attacks or abuse but hey its her call and she is duly appreciated.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by vicadex07(m): 1:02pm On Jun 14, 2016
Eddygourdo:
and you feel knowing what true federalism means is intellgence ? A moot and valueless subject like O level government ? Is that what you are bragging about ? You say u are a researcher ? You do extensive research , I say let's prove it and ur running away. I will ask you two questions and offer you one million naira. If you get it in a week it shall be yours. Even in ur dreams you won't be able to,

Let me school you abit since you are still at that level, knowledge and intelligence are very differnt. Knowledge is data , intellegence is usefui information. Apparently all you have in ur head is data, a typical nigerian product of cram and pour. You asking me a question that google can answer, I will ask u a question that google can't answer.

Never in ur life again should who feel fly for knowing the definition of federalism and yet not having the inteligence of what are its implications , merits or demerits. Read the type of questions you asking. Like a child. what are the types of fedralism? Imagine that. We talking models u talking crap.


Mr man , you not intelligent, I need intelligent people who will create and apply existing knwoledge, not someone who regurgitates what he has crammed and can relate that with his environment for any analysis.

Post ur name here. I want to know ur standing in our community, cos we know oursleves, and I don't know you


Bros wey the question? I no intelligent like you but I swear I go answer am. Just gimme the chance...am in bad need of cash.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by DEAFandDUMB(f): 1:13pm On Jun 14, 2016
vicadex07:



Bros wey the question? I no intelligent like you but I swear I go answer am. Just gimme the chance...am in bad need of cash.

With the current economic situation in the country now, am sure a lot people will be interested in answering that 1million naira question... Lol..

Meanwhile let's hear what you've got to say about the topic of discourse..
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by ose2me: 1:23pm On Jun 14, 2016
Eddygourdo:
and you feel knowing what true federalism means is intellgence ? A moot and valueless subject like O level government ? Is that what you are bragging about ? You say u are a researcher ? You do extensive research , I say let's prove it and ur running away. I will ask you two questions and offer you one million naira. If you get it in a week it shall be yours. Even in ur dreams you won't be able to,

Let me school you abit since you are still at that level, knowledge and intelligence are very differnt. Knowledge is data , intellegence is usefui information. Apparently all you have in ur head is data, a typical nigerian product of cram and pour. You asking me a question that google can answer, I will ask u a question that google can't answer.

Never in ur life again should who feel fly for knowing the definition of federalism and yet not having the inteligence of what are its implications , merits or demerits. Read the type of questions you asking. Like a child. what are the types of fedralism? Imagine that. We talking models u talking crap.


Mr man , you not intelligent, I need intelligent people who will create and apply existing knwoledge, not someone who regurgitates what he has crammed and can relate that with his environment for any analysis.

Post ur name here. I want to know ur standing in our community, cos we know oursleves, and I don't know you



All your replies are clap backs and organised hits back to back. You are very articulate with words and facts.

Before I go...all your points are very valid.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by saintdennis(m): 1:52pm On Jun 14, 2016
Oildichotomy:
I sincerely don't want to digress from the subject of this thread but please World War

You are simply dragging comprehension and understanding of world events to the extreme with your conclusions though. From your analysis of international relations, you still see the likelihood of a World War happening talk more of South/North Korea catalysing it, really?

We have had worst world war causing conflicts since UN-1945 {check history} and none of them snowballed into a full-blown World war?

But you thinking of the possibility of skirmishes in the Korean peninsula to spark it?
OK continue! shocked

Smh! Later you will claim u got excellent comprehension skills.

The keyword there is CAN cause...I never opined it WILL cause a WW.

So wtf is your line of rebuttal for?

Also for you to dismiss the idea of WW3 happening is concrete proof of naviety.
Anyway end of discussion.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Cwhyte(m): 2:01pm On Jun 14, 2016
Ariani:


And how is that a bad thing?
It is not a bad thing, it is the fear of FG.
If u become the president today, I am sure u wouldn't want any region to break away under your watch.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by Ariani: 2:09pm On Jun 14, 2016
Cwhyte:

It is not a bad thing, it is the fear of FG.
If u become the president today, I am sure u wouldn't want any region to break away under your watch.

If I become a Nigerian president. That will be top of my agenda.

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Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by vicadex07(m): 2:16pm On Jun 14, 2016
double post...scroll down
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by smirn(m): 2:20pm On Jun 14, 2016
erusen:
the present administration will fight against it,because they are greedy bunch of foo.ls who want more power at the top rather than admitting Nigeria's obvious solution.
Why are we demanding for true federalism now, why not in 2011? Or before then? Who need true federalism should wait till 2023.
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by vicadex07(m): 2:22pm On Jun 14, 2016
DEAFandDUMB:


With the current economic situation in the country now, am sure a lot people will be interested in answering that 1million naira question... Lol..

Meanwhile let's hear what you've got to say about the topic of discourse..

Nigerians and generally Africans are innately selfish. The power brokers that can actualize this so called regional government are the ones benefiting most from this present system.

Why do you think Jonathan delayed the report and and actualization of the contents of the sovereign national conference till the end of his tenure despite having the time, resources and go ahead from major stakeholders...one answer for that - Greediness and selfishness. He never envisaged he would be out of power anytime soon and so was reluctant to implement a system that will incapacitate his office despite the fact that his region will benefit from it the most even after he must have left the post of a president.


meanwhile, your moniker is weird. Care to explain?
Re: True Federalism, Its Advantages And Implications. by masseratti: 2:23pm On Jun 14, 2016
inzaghi1:
Federalism refers to a compound mode of government, combining a federal' government with regional governments (provincial, state, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system. Its distinctive feature, exemplified in the founding example of modern federalism of the United State Of America .
It can thus be defined as a form of government in which there is a division of powers between two levels of government of equal status.

Advantages of federalism
Fosters state loyalties: Many Nigerians will feel close ties to their home state, and federalism maintains that connection by giving power to the states.
Practices pragmatism: Running a country the size of Nigeria, with such a diverse population, is much easier to do if power is given to local officials. Likewise, state and local officials are closer to the problems of their areas, so it makes sense for them to choose policies to solve those problems.
Creates laboratories of democracy: State governments can experiment with policies, and other states (and the federal government) can learn from their successes and failures.
Encourages pluralism: Federal systems expand government on national, state, and local levels, giving people more access to leaders and opportunities to get involved in their government.
Ensures the separation of powers and prevents tyranny: Even if one person or group took control of all three branches of the federal government, federalism ensures that state governments would still function independently. Federalism, therefore, fulfills the framers’ vision of a governmental structure that ensures liberty.

nice one, just to add many people do not know that the UK is actually a federation of kingdoms but not a republic like ours.

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