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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 4:27pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
sleekdot:I didn't mean to sound racist but that's the reality. You are completely right about the rest. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sleekdot(m): 4:45pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Yekini and Okocha overlapped for like 5yrs 1993-98 You mean Taribo a key defender for Inter and AC Milan is debatable? or Yekini or Amunike (African footballer of the year) or the Bull or Cele Babayaro |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 4:54pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chic2pimp: d mata tire me oo..truly in d land of d blind,a one eyed man is king...ever wondered y he never won african best? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 5:21pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: Like I said, these guys are exceptions not the norm. We cannot remove Davids and Seedorf from the list because that is precisely the point I'm making - Black People are only found on the pitch in defensive positions or as wingers and fullbacks. Statistically speaking, they are very rarely found in the creative role of any team except mostly African team. Have you checked the recent Dutch team? Around 50% of the team is Black....check their positions and you will see the pattern you are trying so hard to deny. Despite the fact that Blacks in the netherlands are a minority...they are Over-represented in the football team...but not in the creative roles. In the beginning of the 80s, South America had 6 world cup wins (through 3 countries; Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina) while Europe had 5 (through Italy, Germany and England). Get your facts right! Your original assertion was that South America were the initial kings of football before Europe caught up. That statement is false because as at the start of the 80s, it was 6-6. You need to get your facts right lad. . That doesnt suit the narative about Europe catching up, when European countries were already world powers from the 30s. Is Sane white? Almost was what I said...So why is it that the only Black players to make the German team are Defenders and Wingers? Was Eusebio white? He's the greatest Portuguese player ever( though would be very debatable when Ronaldo retires). This is exactly the point. The question is WHY? WHY haven't we seen those talented black players? Blacks have been playing in European competion since the 60s so theres been more than ample time for these skillful talents to emerge. There are over 4 million black and mixed race people living in England today....are you saying this pool is not large enough to generate a crop of exceptional technical talent? Why isn't there a black version of Wilshere or a Black Rooney? Where is the Black Lampard or Black Gerrard? Ozil is Turkish which is far enough from being white. Turkey isn't a great footballing nation either.For the purpose of this discussion Ozil is white. Don't distract from the debate by diving into phenotype. Turkey isn't a great football nation yet they have produced phenomenal talent like Ozil, Arda Turan, Emre Belezoglu, Emre Can, Nuri Sahin. Where is the black equivalent of this? That's what i'm asking you now. Can you tell us where all the great black playmakers are hiding? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 5:22pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
sleekdot: Nah man I don't consider him part of Okocha's set. During his Best years, Okocha was still an upstart. How was Taribo a key defender for Milan? Even for Inter sef, I won't consider him a key defender. Amuneke had a fantastic year in 94 but Okocha had numerous ones. On a world level, He might not have one of the greats but when we look at it from an African/Nigerian point of view, He was a legend. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 5:24pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
dubylhover: That's the thing with Nigerians. We let emotions cloud our judgement. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 5:35pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist you have to try and address almost every part or point in my previous post, and not just chose which part you feel you can address. The problem is that my whole piece too strong for you to debate against because you were wrong in the first place and soon you'll run out of things to say. Just look at this part of my post and tell me how you'll counter it. Now consider the US a country which has more white people than any European country or even any where in the world? Please show me the technical or talented players there grin |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 5:39pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
nobody respect "agawonder" ?
forever 25. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 6:05pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: I didn't need to address the rest of your post because it's not particularly relevant to the discussion. America and Australia are irrelevant to the discussion because both are not big football nations. Let us focus on the big football nations, with relatively large populations of black people, with ample reprrsention of blacks in domestic competition and at national level, and equal access to top class training. Australia is big on Rugby union not football. I don't know if you're conversant with the sport(I am) and I will show EXACTLY the same thing happening there...with mainly white playmakers in the middle and blacks mainly on the flanks. Yet you have the likes of Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill who've come out of there. Heck Mile Jedinak is probably better now than any African central midfielder in thr last 5 years. America is rubbish at football. Even with that America has produced Clint Dempsey Brad Friedel Kasey Keller. Can you name one black number 10 or goal keeper over the last 10 years who has played at their level? So I have to ask you again...where is all the black talent hiding? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 6:26pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: Lol... But the guy tried for naija naa. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 6:39pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Sire, with due respect, it's better to keep quiet if you don't know what's up. Taribo was a beast in the best league in the world... Serie A, playing against the likes of Vieri, Zamorano, Silas, Baggio, Zidane, Batistuta, etc. As for Amunike, as at 1996, he was ahead of Rivaldo at Barcelona before injury ruined his career. So we are talking of Nigerians at the biggest clubs, not someone that played for Frankfurt or is it Bolton. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 6:48pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Austrians fumbling |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sleekdot(m): 7:06pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Debroslink: Chickenshrimp knows he is just mischievious Taribo west in AC and Inter Milan that was a level Okocha never played all his career |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 7:09pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: Maybe he don return to him police work.... I saw one policeman backflipping at Obalende Last week.....probably after collecting #50 Roger. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:10pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Diademk07: true !. the definition of arabs include people who speak arabic as first language , + people genetically arab algerian , moroccan , tunisian , libyan are not arab genetically , they are berber or amazigh the indigenous ethnic group of North Africa. , after islam came they take islam and arabic language . so yes north african are arab by language but not arab genetically , you can see the difference when you see a yemenite or saoudian |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 7:13pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Debroslink:You should take your own advice and shut the hell up If you don't know what's gwarning. Not only do you f#$k all about Serie A, you also know absolutely nothing about the club you claim to support. First of all let me address the Rivaldo issue. Rivaldo in 1996 was still plying his trade in brazil(Did not move to Europe till the summer of 1996). So How the Hell was Amuneke ahead of him? Now back to Serie A. West played a sum total amount of 4 games for Milan. 4 freaking games! And yet you are telling me He put Billy into retirement. If West had even Half of Billy's talent, Abacha would have built a statue in his honour. Taribo was a very good Defender for Inter but was by no means a "Beast". That Accolade should be reserved for the likes of Bergomi. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:13pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Dadehmola: Gone are the days ti Olopa ma'n gba fiber |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 7:33pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:It's very relevant. Those are examples of predominantly white nations and the white people there don't agree with your theory. If the biggest white nation (US) can't produce these good white footballers, then why should the likes of Nigeria or Ghana even bother?If Australia can't why should African countries like Malawi, Swaziland, Lesotho, Kenya produce great footballers? Are those ones big footballing nations too? This is basically impossible and it's impratical to focus on something that doesn't exist. Even the most advanced African nations like S/africa or Egypt have very poor leagues, low quality footballing facilities etc. Then we have Nigeria. Australia is big on Rugby union not football. I don't know if you're conversant with the sport(I am) and I will show EXACTLY the same thing happening there...with mainly white playmakers in the middle and blacks mainly on the flanks.I have addressed this already. I explained very well. Yet you have the likes of Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill who've come out of there. Heck Mile Jedinak is probably better now than any African central midfielder in thr last 5 years.See the kind of rubbish waste men you had to come up with to defend Australia. I could bet you googled at least a name there. I was expecting a list of great players with superb technique and natural ability not those nonentities who are actually some of the best players in Australia abi White people no dey Australia? America is rubbish at football.Weak point again. I could use this to defend almost every African country simply by saying they are rubbish at football e.g Kenya, Ethiopia who do well at long distance races than football. Even with that America has produced Clint Dempsey Brad Friedel Kasey Keller. Can you name one black number 10 or goal keeper over the last 10 years who has played at their level?Another list of waste men. Can you compare these white players to their contemporaries in Europe? Henry alone is better than all those players put together. By the time Tim howard retires, he would have had a better career than those guys. Nihilist take time o. Are French players like Martial, Conman or Pogba white to you? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 7:50pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: LOL why would I have to Google those names when I've actually seen 1 or two of them play live? Those guys are relative wastemen no doubt, but they're still better than the next Black number 10...no wait...there aren't any. That's why I asked you for black equals to those. Can you give me a Black Brad Friedel? Or a Black Clint Dempsey in the last 10 years? Tim Howard is also American though mixed race. Why isn't there a black analogue of these guys? Like I've said over and over, Black players are usually defenders, Big bruising midfielders(Pogba) or wingers (Coman and Martial) Don't you find other strange that we can point to number 10s from almost race except the negro race? Japan has produced so many....from Nakamura to Kagawa. Spain, Germany, France, Holland etc all have them Boku. Even Mkhtaryan from only God knows where follow join. Yet the only black players we see are big, black, brawny and/or fast playing in every other position except number 10 and creative midfield. Every two years AFCON convenes looking like an armed robbers convention, full of brutes in tight jerseys. The greatest black midfielder of the last 10 years is Yaya Toure and that says it all really. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 7:51pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist: chic2pimp: Pay him no mind - the average "Barka" fan on NL is typically ignorant & Mis-informed What most of them know how to do best is to shout "up messi", post pictures of the club's trophy haul & ofcourse...mock Ronaldo - 90% of Barca fans on NL started watching soccer when Messi became a household name !! It's an open secret that Van Gaal's decision to shunt Rivaldo out wide was the main reason behind their fallout but ofcourse, ignorance no gree make the guy sabi. The fella was even cocky & confident untop the falsehood (born outta sheer ignorance) wey e wan dey spread. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 8:10pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Dadehmola: Dude had me doubting FACTS u know. I had to check again to see if Rivaldo had a twin brother who so happened to be a professional footballer |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 8:21pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist: Gustavo take ya time o. No make Sango faya u tonight o |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 8:33pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
I miss Nani. Heard he's off to Inter Milan. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:36pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chic2pimp: Alie? I nor know why GBR dey wetin even Stevie Wonder fit see. Even a dead country like Iceland can point to Siggurdson as Thier 10, and the whole black race can't point to just 1 pure black 10? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sleekdot(m): 8:39pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist: Add bloodshot eyes and you have the description of dadehmola posing for pictures on Xmas day. He is the baddoo terrorizing Ikorodu residents as we speak 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chic2pimp(m): 8:43pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:Tbh I can see both you and GBR1's points. Don't want to get involved in the argument but the Euro Championship and Copa America are definitely 1million times more enjoyable to watch than the ACON |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 8:46pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:Mikhitaryan isn't a 10 though. The last time he operated as one for Dortmund, he was simply rubbish. And all these your lists are funny because the likes of Okocha and Zidane trumps all dem Dempsey and the other shite players mentioned. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 8:46pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Reports say MUFC & Zlatan have agreed to personal terms. Medicals slated for after the Euros. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Dadehmola: 8:49pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
sleekdot: Ode... I fine pass you oga.. If dem born you well, upload your pix make I upload mine.... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:58pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chic2pimp: I've just accepted the black football identity for what it is. GBR1's position is theoretical...There could be black creative types in Africa who didn't get through chance to develop. There could be black creative types who could yet develop in Europe. But all I can see is the reality of the last few years....tell me that you won't run if you saw Kante, Pogba and Matuidi looking for you at midnight. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 9:00pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:Kevin prince Boateng, Nabir Fekir, Mane, Andre Ayew or even Eto, Toure are better 10s than any of the waste men you mentioned. I have given yoi enough names. But why did you have to narrow it down to number 10? I'm gonna end the use of this poor analysis you are employing ridiculous logic to manipulate, just watch. That's why I asked you for black equals to those.See above. I gave you Tim howard, now you're denying he's black when he's know as that in his own country. He's a fecking black american. I won't even debate this any further. Like I've said over and over, Black players are usually defenders, Big bruising midfielders(Pogba) or wingers (Coman and Martial)I don't remember Pogba being deployed as a defensive midfielder. At worse he's a B2B in a pivot. He's actually an attacking midfielder and a very creative one at that but you're only changing the narrative to help pass a point that won't even help you. You are being untruthful here. I just went through your initial posts and i saw how much you have changed the base of the argument. You first stated that blacks were less technically gifted than their white counterpart and that's why they often ended up as defenders or in defensive positions. Then i gave you the list of some of the best attacking talents ever seen who were black and you narrowed your argument to creative midfielders when i have already given you someone like Gullit who was quite extraordinary. Then things got too difficult for you to handle again, so you starting asking for those kind of players in the last 10 years. I'm sure if we go on, you'll start asking for two footed non athletic very creative black midfielders who have played for top footballing clubs/nations in the last 7 days. This argument was never gonna work for you and now you have put yourself in a terrible position. Japan has produced so many....from Nakamura to Kagawa.More waste men to further your point. What about China or India with more population than the entire Africa? Please name their creative midfielders. Soon you'll say the Indians and Chinese(over 2 billion people combined) are not intelligent enough and Africa has produced far more than them. [s]Spain, Germany, France, Holland etc all have them Boku. [/s]How many world class players have Armenia produced FFS? Yaya Toure will retire having a better career playing for top clubs than any of those waste men you mentioned. At least those black players like Viera, Thuram were world class playing at the absolute top level in their positions something none of those waste men you mentioned were capable of. Nihilist this debate is stale already and i don't see myself going on with it. You haven't brought up anything new that i did not destroy with my first shot at it and i will do similar to any new thing you bring up and if this argument wasn't so ridiculous to begin with, you'll be doing better than this and you know that. Just let it go and move on. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sleekdot(m): 9:02pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Dadehmola: Upload yours first and let everyone see our face wey be like spoon |
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