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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 9:03pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
I don't understand the much emphasis on No. 10s tho. There can be very creative players from other positions. Until this man-behind-striker became this popular, default formations used to be with striker partners where creativity came primarily from the flanks & between the strikers setting up themselves. I remember quite a number of dark men excel in these type of partnerships. Andy & Dwight easily come to mind. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 9:13pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
SailorXY:I know for particular that in the 50s, 10s represented a different position for players on the pitch. Don't mind Nihilist. It's obvious he's being very mischievous thinking that 10s are the definition of creativity/intelligence in a player. Then i wonder how players like Redondo or Beckenbauer became regarded as very creative or intelligent even when they weren't 10s. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:20pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: Kevin Prince is another strong player whose game is based on pace and power not creativity as I'm sure you know. Nabil Fekir is not black. Andrew Ayew is not a 10 or a creative type. Mane is a Winger. This the exact same thing I'm talking about. You can't actually give me a Black guy like you and me that plays that position as a creative type. Pogba is a B2B but isnt that the point? Nobody is denying his skill, but Pogba's game really is about driving runs, pace and power. I deliberately did not mention Tim Howard because I hoped you would ignore the low hanging fruit. My position on this has been very simple. Black players are rarely seen in positions on the pitch that heavily require technical skill. That's why there are no black analogues for the Silvas Cazorlas and Fabregas's of this world. Instead, you like many others, have been reaching for Arabs and mixed race players to claim as Black...from Zidane to Nabil Fekir to Benzema. My son is mixed race...and Fekir is lighter than him. Black indeed.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:24pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: I mentioned Pirlo, Modric, etc. Truth is you won't find a pure black player there...and if you remember the origin of the argument, we were talking about 'ugly black players' to quote dopejemi. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 9:40pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:What is pure black player again? Must they be extremely dark like Mane or Pele? How do you know Pele wasn't mixed either? He was a Brazilian and a lot of them are mixed Soon you'll claim he's not black. When you mentioned Depay earlier for your intents, i didn't take you up on it; Is Depay a pure black player? Stop being mischievous! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:47pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: Oga look in the mirror. That is what black looks like. How many players that look like you play in creative positions in Europe? Either as a 10 a la Silva or a deep lying Playmaker like Fabregas. I will admit mixed race playears for sake of discussion, but Arabs? Come off it man. Arabs are not black. Brazilians are completely mixed and have already been classed as south American, so let's leave them out tesco conversation. Neymar is on record as stating that he is not black sef... The main guys are Blacks, either born in Africa or in diaspora that have at least one pure black parent. Please submit your answer. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:02pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:Is Zidane a mixed race? He's of pure Algeria berber descent! My point is as long as you have black features, you're a black man and people will definitely call you one as they did to Alves and even Zidane at the worldcup.. Moreso, the likes of Ronaldo De lima, Pele were technically gifted players who could slot easily as second strikers without any problem in their game, even Neymar is at his best as a false 9. The likes of Kante, Pogba also have good technique to operate in the midfield. Hence, I wouldn't say technique is lacking in black players. If you had hammered on the intelligence to orchestrate play in the midfield, I could have tried to reason along with you but the technical aspect is a no no for me. And talking about intelligence, Kante was seen dictating the play for France in their first game against Romania and he's one of the intelligent players I've ever seen. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:03pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: True. If Iheanacho were from Brazil or Spain, he would have been retained and trained in the number 10 role where he won tournament best player. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 10:04pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:How did this argument dissolve in 10s? tell me, did we start with this? Oh you knew this, now tell me why you mentioned Depay earlier as a black player when he's so light but yet deny that Ronaldinho, Ronaldo etc are black players? Or you'd say Pele is mixed and isn't black because he was a South American? And now you are saying you won't accept south Americans even the mixed ones as black? We both know why though; your argument would get completely obliterated by examples of AMs like Ronaldinho if you do, it's that obvious. When it favors your argument a player is black, but a similar player is not black when he's an exception to your argument. You have finally cornered yourself, what else would you say? Well done. You should have moved on before it reduced to this. This is what happens when your argument is a proper ''bad market''. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 10:05pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
How can Portugal draw with Iceland This Euro just dey pay Nairabet |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:07pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist: After what Iheanacho did at the Junior world cup from the number 10 position, if he were Brazilian or Spanish, he would already be trained and made to under study Silva in that position. Or he would have been allowed to bring his own style with his sense of goals scoring and Assist into that position. But he is black, they already have positions carved out for whites. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:09pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chrisley024:Portugal has no playing pattern. And they didn't utilize the players to their fullest. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:16pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
elampiro:Can you imagine? He's been converted to a striker at City. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 10:20pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist:what I can see you driving @ is that dark players can be creative but their athleticism is more noticed. If you ask me I don't see how this should be a disadvantage to the race. As a striker you need as much imagination to latch into good positions for the midfielder behind else they become just as useless. Pace & good balance is just as useful cuz any team with a significant lower average speed than its opponents is already in trouble. Reference when MUFC had Tevez Rooney Ronaldo JS Park or when Chelshit had Robben & Duff in flying mode. Football is not a static sport. All positions on the pitch in modern footie is highly technical, even the GK. These days a goalkeeper is expected to do much more than just diving. His positioning, judging ball flight accurately & even ability to find his man under pressure. VdS, Buffon, Cech, Schmeichel, Kahn are GKs that did more than just dive. David Alaba for example is very creative from the rear, just like Alvez or Evra. Their skill set is not that common in full backs, added to their pace they easily become nightmares offensively & defensively. There's nothing Fabregas & Silva have done that Toure & Pogba are incapable of. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 10:21pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1: I already clearly separated South Americans and Europeans as having technical talent that is not indigenous to black people. I've given you an example of a prominent dark skinned Brazilian player that doesn't identify as 'Black' so I'm not sure why you are determined to drag them and claim them as Black. In football, Brazilian players are seen as Brazilian so please stop going back there. I have already said that I will accept mixed race players with at least one black parent. Doesn't the fact that you have to keep reaching out to people that don't look like you tell you something? In America, Arabs have been classed as white since 1977....so if you and Fekir, Zidane and Benzema go to the white house today, you guys are not in the same category. Give me artists that look like you as were originally referred to by Dopejemi . Instead you've gone all over the globe to claim people who would be surprised to hear that they are black. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 10:23pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Na wa ooo Is Everton's Berkley black or white? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:25pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
I keep seeing Arab. Who's Arab? Zidane?
Unbelievable. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 10:25pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
SailorXY: Athleticism is not a disadvantage at all! My point has always been that Blacks are mainly strong and fast. That's ouright selling point. Technical ability is not really our selling point. The Europeans are great technicians but not necessarily great athletes. Please if na play stop am though. Please don't compare Pogba and Toure to Silva and Fabregas. The first two cannot do what the other two can with the ball. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:32pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
codedguy1: Abeg, wetin dey happen here which one be black and white argument on top ManUtd thread 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:33pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
If Arabs are so good at football, why isn't any good footballer coming from that region? BtW, Zidane, Benzema are no Arab. Simple! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 10:35pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GBR1 let's do this another time before we bore people. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Diademk07: 10:37pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
chkil:Exactly! I don't even see any Arab features in them yet I keep hearing Arab. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 10:45pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
GloryIsaac: Even me sef don confuse! The argument is basically about whether white players are more technical than black players and the it becomes more interesting because we can't seem to agree who is black, mixed or Arab. Neymar said he aint black, Zidane is Arab, are players who have one white and one black parent black, white or mixed and how the supposed complexion of a player affects his technicality. Its interesting! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by forap(m): 10:57pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
You all are killing the creativity of this thread! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by GBR1(m): 10:59pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
Nihilist, you still managed to avoid my question about Depay? I have moved on. Nihilist:I was bored already. Yea, another time. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:15pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by joeace2020(m): 11:28pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
This thread is like when children are playing ball aimlessly.... Someone comes, makes a controversial statement, ppl jump on it, go back n forth, forth n back for like 5days or 10 pages, then they tire out n return to some present footballing or spot event, then after some period of quietness... somebody thinks up some controversial notion sure to start an argument, then process repeats, rinse n repeat n u have pages of the most mundane arguments in football history |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:59pm On Jun 14, 2016 |
codedguy1: God dey oo Well, i feel that a players technicality has nothing to do with his complexion.... Those who have both white and black parents are mixed already nah I wonder why there are black south americans since they claim not to have african roots ... Could be slavery or something, weird though |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 12:03am On Jun 15, 2016 |
chic2pimp: 1997 there. Typo error. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 12:15am On Jun 15, 2016 |
Dadehmola: Hey fella, when I say Taribo was a beast at Inter, compared to Okocha with his small clubs, you don't need to utter those trash comments even if you don't support it. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 12:57am On Jun 15, 2016 |
Debroslink: Instead of you to keep quiet and listen to people who know better you are here exposing your ignorance. Taribo that played 4 or 5 matches for Milan is the one that sent Billy Costacurta to retirement? The same Costacurta that played over 100 matches including Champions league final AFTER Taribo had been sent packing from the club? Amunike ahead of Rivaldo at Barca? When and where did you get this majestic lie from? You are the type that gives Barca fans a bad name here. And yet you came in telling someone who obviously knows better than you to keep quiet. Lol the irony 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Igiiroko: 2:03am On Jun 15, 2016 |
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