diordaves:
My top three wasteful build/design concept in rental properties in Nigeria:

3. Wall lamps

2. "Parapet"

1. Mortar use during block setting

Parapet and mortar use have been debated a lot here so can I ask why in Nigeria do we install all round wall lamps? It's not uncommon to see in Nigeria an average living room with 8 lamp points: three wall lamp points in the parlour and one lamp point at the middle of the ceiling, three lamp points in the dinning area and one lamp point in the middle. In the rooms; five lamp points each. Just one lamp point at the middle is enough. One can use reading lamp or bed lamp if so desired. All round wall lamps don't add any rental income whatsoever.

This practice is very wasteful as one can save easily about 70% in pipping and wiring cost if just one lamp/bulb point is adopted in the middle of the room as is the standard practice here in the UK. See pic below, no wall lamps but still well presented living area.

What's your top three wasteful practice anyone?

thank u for this topic. Some will install excess lamps in their house like say na club house.

Mine Are high kingpost on a small building (Oga spyder house looks ugly with that high roof)
Excess use of columns for a story building.

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erico2k2:

So frm this pic beam 1 should lap with beam 2 at position B
O dear

At position B after the link has been removed. Something like this

n3xt:

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oga's how many tonnes of iron will it take to deck a 200sqm building ?

n3xt:


Jossy that's me! I keep it simple.

I laugh at the yahoo part. I'll be speaking at an international conference in September maybe you want to meet me there. I can get you an invitation.

It's a marcusevans packaged conference.

Who dash monkey banana? The conference no get name or title? If you like fall for this trickster as it concerns invitation naa you sabi

@erico2 give us contract make we too chop part of ur money and stop this ur diy.

twinskenny:
thank you ma...everyone is invited..non alchoholic hennesy and origin will be made available too

Non alcoholic kini? Abeg o, I no be mufutau55 ooooo. E shi oti wole ki a miliki jare!

#givemeAlchohol

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tevanso:
@erico2 give us contract make we too chop part of ur money and stop this ur diy.

There's nothing wrong with DIY if the owner is someone who can pay attention to every details.
It's the best way to build. Owner-Builder Managed Contracts.

diordaves:
My top three wasteful build/design concept in rental properties in Nigeria:

3. Wall lamps

2. "Parapet"

1. Mortar use during block setting

Parapet and mortar use have been debated a lot here so can I ask why in Nigeria do we install all round wall lamps? It's not uncommon to see in Nigeria an average living room with 8 lamp points: three wall lamp points in the parlour and one lamp point at the middle of the ceiling, three lamp points in the dinning area and one lamp point in the middle. In the rooms; five lamp points each. Just one lamp point at the middle is enough. One can use reading lamp or bed lamp if so desired. All round wall lamps don't add any rental income whatsoever.

This practice is very wasteful as one can save easily about 70% in pipping and wiring cost if just one lamp/bulb point is adopted in the middle of the room as is the standard practice here in the UK. See pic below, no wall lamps but still well presented living area.

What's your top three wasteful practice anyone?

My tip three wasteful practice in carracas construction are
1. Foundation block work and extensive filling when other simpler type of foundation could be employed expecially in a frame building using an isolated pad footings.

2. Too much columns, in cases where a simple structural design could have leads to smaller number of pillars. Thick slab and beam construction in cases where more cost effective slab techniques could be used.

3. Very high pitched roof that can take twice the money and effort required to construct a simpler one.

I will also add in-situ concrete fascia.

For finishings.
1. Too much lighting points.
2. Excessive pop work
3. External wall tiles

agarawu23:
thank u for this topic. Some will install excess lamps in their house like say na club house.

Mine Are high kingpost on a small building (Oga spyder house looks ugly with that high roof)
Excess use of columns for a story building.

Jumping Jehosophat.

Oya Erico2K2 mark Agarawu down for an infraction against the person of Spyder880

EgunMogaji:


Jumping Jehosophat.

Oya Erico2K2 mark Agarawu down for an infraction against the person of Spyder880

egun trying to twist my comment

I am still here unclad in the AC recovering from today's heat on this thread abeg

agarawu23:
egun trying to twist my comment

I am still here unclad in the AC recovering from today's heat on this thread abeg

Okay Erico2K2, me thinks Agarawu is looking for a soft landing too

It's okay to be unclad in your hacienda as long as it's not into the market

diordaves:
My top three wasteful build/design concept in rental properties in Nigeria:
3. Wall lamps
2. "Parapet"
1. Mortar use during block setting

Parapet and mortar use have been debated a lot here so can I ask why in Nigeria do we install all round wall lamps? It's not uncommon to see in Nigeria an average living room with 8 lamp points: three wall lamp points in the parlour and one lamp point at the middle of the ceiling, three lamp points in the dinning area and one lamp point in the middle. In the rooms; five lamp points each. Just one lamp point at the middle is enough. One can use reading lamp or bed lamp if so desired. All round wall lamps don't add any rental income whatsoever.

This practice is very wasteful as one can save easily about 70% in pipping and wiring cost if just one lamp/bulb point is adopted in the middle of the room as is the standard practice here in the UK. See pic below, no wall lamps but still well presented living area.

What's your top three wasteful practice anyone?

Oga mi.

#3 - Agreed, why installed pointed lights? I don't get it either... what about those wall lights installed in four corners of the room?
I argued with my brothers on this too... he said that is the norm. So I agreed but never installed more than two bulbs... not four.
And we no even get light sef, more lights put heavy load on generators.

#2 - It's just good fancy for a residential building at least the precast type, low cost, but rental probably not for me at least...

#1 - This I still don't understand... if mortar is not use for setting blocks, what else can one use... please give me some alternatives and their advantages and disadvantages...

Thanks.

Hajji M.

n3xt:

But the biggest client I've ever dealt with here on Nairaland is Mr Nobody. He even prostrate for me and always show respect. Very small and has no voice but he has brain and the money. K'Oluwa maa fi okan wan wa ninu mejeji
Rotecch77 has met him. Hajji will know him.

True, true. Never met him face to face... but I can see him prostrating in Naija when on the phone with me... so his wife says and I believe.
One of the most respected guy, and he never brag of money eventhough I knew had some. Yes, I sent/introduced Rottecch to him.

@back2sender and @jossy26
I have advised the young man not to vouch or stand as guarantor for anyone... So it will never happen.

Hajji M.

n3xt:

1. Send-down-the-rain roof design
2. Tiles in all rooms (especially floor-to-ceiling in bathrooms)
3. Water heater in each bathroom

1. That water could be used for other things instead of being wasted.
2. Why not tiles to roof? The upper wall usually get messed-up even with glossy paint due to moisture. Please explain.
3. Is there a better way not to hang water heater in every room? Usually we have central water heater here... do they have same in Naija? Please show some pics and more explanation.. I may need this. Thanks.

Hajji M.

beedam:

Non alcoholic kini? Abeg o, I no be mufutau55 ooooo. E shi oti wole ki a miliki jare!
#givemeAlchohol

Hah! Mama Beedam.... Ramadan dey for town o (Awe wa lode o, Mama aburo).
Wetin happen to "Baileys Irish Cream"? Wait until we marry you go North o.

Hajji M.

abdulwastecx:

At position B after the link has been removed. Something like this

Nice illustration sir. That is how I have seen it done all the time.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


1. That water could be used for other things instead of being wasted.
2. Why not tiles to roof? The upper wall usually get messed-up even with glossy paint due to moisture. Please explain.
3. Is there a better way not to hang water heater in every room? Usually we have central water heater here... do they have same in Naija? Please show some pics and more explanation.. I may need this. Thanks.

Hajji M.

1. The water could be channeled into the underground waste water tank for compound use.

2. Hajji, I know you're teasing us. Is Naija so different now? Moisture build-up is not caused by exposure of walls but by bottling up of a small room. Most time people keep the bathroom Windows locked without vent for air circulation. Even if one have a room with 4 windows and chose not to open them, moisture will build up with time.

3. I defer to the Oga's in plumbing work on this thread to shed light on the central system. Tospy23, Endiasami - there are central water heater tank here also but I think we are just comfortable with the traditional approach. I've seen this installed in upscale development and small residential projects (Arepo, Ogun state for example) so I know it's possible. The large tank was installed outside the building.

When next I visit the area, I'll take the picture of that house and the external water heater tanks.

diordaves:
My top three wasteful build/design concept in rental properties in Nigeria:

3. Wall lamps


can I ask why in Nigeria do we install all round wall lamps?

This practice is very wasteful as one can save easily about 70% in pipping and wiring cost if just one lamp/bulb point is adopted in the middle of the room as is

no wall lamps but still well presented living area.

Because wall fixtures are cheaper , less obtrusive, generally more durable (less exposed to damage than moveable lamps),especially with kids running arnd and all. Also, because of the type of construction common in the west (Dry wall etc) the use of standing lamps, floor lamps and the rest; for indoor ilumination wud generaly be more practical.

If u eliminated the wall lighting points as propsed, you'd PROBABLY save abt 30-35% max, most lighting points are looped or ringed, so what it takes to get the extra points within a room for instance, isn't all that.

The first pic shows one fitting, but with four lamps pointed in different directions,emphasizing the need for evenly spread illumination. One lamp pointing downwards would not have served that living space adequately, despite being small in comparison to most living rooms here. The second shows multiple lamps in strategic positions aswell; extra costs, extra sockets, extra care. Western construction, architecture and interior design limit the use of wall lamps.

Regardless, too many lighting points can be an overkill. For those with pop ceilings for instance, well distributed pop lights are enough to provide sufficient illumination, eliminating the need for wall fittings/fixtures

n3xt:


1. The water could be channeled into the underground waste water tank for compound use.

2. Hajji, I know you're teasing us. Is Naija so different now? Moisture build-up is not caused by exposure of walls but by bottling up of a small room. Most time people keep the bathroom Windows locked without vent for air circulation. Even if one have a room with 4 windows and chose not to open them, moisture will build up with time.

3. I defer to the Oga's in plumbing work on this thread to shed light on the central system. Tospy23, Endiasami - there are central water heater tank here also but I think we are just comfortable with the traditional approach. I've seen this installed in upscale development and small residential projects (Arepo, Ogun state for example) so I know it's possible. The large tank was installed outside the building.

When next I visit the area, I'll take the picture of that house and the external water heater tanks.

1. Totally agreed.

2. How else do you think I am gonna pry into peoples mind and learn, if I don't act stupid.
When I told them to make my bathroom windows at least 2ft by 2 feet, they thought I was crazy.. I never like those tiny windows anyway... and all windows must be casement... no excuse.

3. May be the lone water heater is too expensive... but there are small portables ones here that can serve 5 bathrooms and it keeps running continuously too. But then we have 24/7/365(366) lights running here. We are missing a lot stuffs in Nigeria for lack of electricity... and no amount of generator can replace no-noise electricity.

Thank you Oga Brabus... I never stop learning, regardless of how stupid it may looked like.

Hajji M.

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mufutau55:


1. Totally agreed.

2. How else do you think I am gonna pry into peoples mind and learn, if I don't act stupid.
When I told them to make my bathroom windows at least 2ft by 2 feet, they thought I was crazy.. I never like those tiny windows anyway... and all windows must be casement... no excuse.

3. May be the lone water heater is too expensive... but there are small portables ones here that can serve 5 bathrooms and it keeps running continuously too. But then we have 24/7/365(366) lights running here. We are missing a lot stuffs in Nigeria for lack of electricity... and no amount of generator can replace no-noise electricity.

Thank you Oga Brabus... I never stop learning, regardless of how stupid it may looked like.

Hajji M.

1. I'm putting this into action from tomorrow when we take on our first flat roof project on here. All the water collection points have been linked up in-wall and under the floor to connect to a central water tank for compound and outdoor usage.

2. Again, I'm putting this into play with my ongoing project where bathroom Windows are largely sized for improved lighting and ventilation. I always opt for projected windows or casement in the bathroom and I keep the slightly opened for constant airflow.

3. I really don't think it's about the cost. One thing I've found out is that we always love to find excuse to why an unusual approach may not work. Someone on here said he's considering using Aluminium sheet to clad his walls without the usual plastering and painting hullabaloos and everyone is looking at him like "what a strange man" but in reality this things are practicable and could save us a couple of bucks. I've seen them used in real world.

I knew how hard I tried to convince my client on the advantages of using lightweight steel roof over timber roofing. But luckily, it was a listening client I had this with. I knew some who would have acted differently.

Central water heater to me would seem to work like the overhead tanks we place on our structures. So it shouldn't be a big deal for a creative mind.

As per electricity, the same light that powers small heaters will power the big ones. They're just like the ACs.

allCopacetic:


Because wall fixtures are cheaper , less obtrusive, generally more durable (less exposed to damage than moveable lamps),especially with kids running arnd and all. Also, because of the type of construction common in the west (Dry wall etc) the use of standing lamps, floor lamps and the rest; for indoor ilumination wud generaly be more practical.

If u eliminated the wall lighting points as propsed, you'd PROBABLY save abt 30-35% max, most lighting points are looped or ringed, so what it takes to get the extra points within a room for instance, isn't all that.

The first pic shows one fitting, but with four lamps pointed in different directions,emphasizing the need for evenly spread illumination. One lamp pointing downwards would not have served that living space adequately, despite being small in comparison to most living rooms here. The second shows multiple lamps in strategic positions aswell; extra costs, extra sockets, extra care. Western construction, architecture and interior design limit the use of wall lamps.

Regardless, too many lighting points can be an overkill. For those with pop ceilings for instance, well distributed pop lights are enough to provide sufficient illumination, eliminating the need for wall fittings/fixtures

bolded is what I was explaining to Oga mufu on bplenty thread.

The 4 side lamp are useless if you are using pop lights, in fact it's old fashioned.

The problem with our naija is they don't want to open eye ; so they all rely on the everyday design and Nobody wants to try something new.

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What quantity of iron will deck a 200sqm building?

agarawu23:
bolded is what I was explaining to Oga mufu on bplenty thread.

The 4 side lamp are useless if you are using pop lights, in fact it's old fashioned.

The problem with our naija is they don't want to open eye ; so they all rely on the everyday design and Nobody wants to try something new.

How else do one illuminate a 24' High Ceiling if not with well distributed POP ceiling lights and couple of wall lights (up and down lighters), pendant lights/chandelier and large windows. The room will be like a stadium.

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This decking was done with bricks/blocks.

What I know

.... It saves cost of iron
..... Its more durable than normal decking. If the iron rust, the bricks are still holding your b
Decking firmly
.....it reduce weight of your building especially if you are building stories.
.... It reduce concrete.

n3xt:


Is it me? I defer to the pros. Even to build sef now, you should just come with your QS quote.

200sqm building is bigger than the building below (180sqm slab area) and I can tell you we did the slab work for N3.25m in 2014 (Material, Labour & Supervision)

And we used 8 tons of iron rod.

decking dey cost like this? Na wa o

I have been having a bungalow + penthouse idea since Nigerian's won't tag u rich until u build one story building

They might decide not to GIVE u baale post because your house na bungalow and Mr taju house na Duplex.

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