babalose:
The Contemporary style house grew out of Modern architecture, which arose with the Industrial Revolution of the early 20th century. Modern home style is marked by simple, clean lines; the idea that “form follows function”; and the use of what were then newly available building materials (iron, steel and sheet glass).
Modern and Contemporary in design are not one in the same, as many people might think. Modern design refers to a period of time. It doesn't change, it is a defined style, and will remain such for ever. Contemporary design is ever changing, ever evolving.
Contemporary homes are defined by their largely geometric form — cubes play a big part in the design philosophy. ... yet, conversely, an attempt to get the house to in some way welcome in the outside.
The simplicity and functionality of a Contemporary house makes it appealing. It defies time and age. It is not in vogue neither will it stop being in vogue.

This is a private home somewhere in the east. I am hunting for the building plans or anyone who can design a simple and similar structure .

EgunMogaji:


It's almost midnight here.

I'm in night class

please kindly check your land rover defender threa. Need advise there

I dont know much about the carcass foundation, maybe if you explain to me in lay mans terms.
Got to agree with the high pitch roof though, I think its a show off thing.

Lighting points: Got to agree 100% with this, I questioned this with my electrician so many times, I just feel the light points are too much. When its not a stadium being lit at night. I later got to understand that some of thier decisions are just the norm, and nobody questions it. What I did is buy the number of lighting points that I feel is right, and anything else can be blocked off with plastic. If a tenant wants light there, they can easily add it.

Excessive pop work: Do you mean window hood etc or ceiling pop. Personally, I do not like pop ceilings that are too busy, it becomes a distraction. I like simple and plain. A ceiling should not be drawing attention, instead I had spend the money on my walls and put a satin or silk paint.

External tiles: It cost money yes, but I find that the lower part of a house is the bit that gets stained the most. One solutoion I read about is grafitex, I just like the finish however I heard its not cheap. I could be wrong here.

abdulwastecx:


My tip three wasteful practice in carracas construction are
1. Foundation block work and extensive filling when other simpler type of foundation could be employed expecially in a frame building using an isolated pad footings.

2. Too much columns, in cases where a simple structural design could have leads to smaller number of pillars. Thick slab and beam construction in cases where more cost effective slab techniques could be used.

3. Very high pitched roof that can take twice the money and effort required to construct a simpler one.

I will also add in-situ concrete fascia.

For finishings.
1. Too much lighting points.
2. Excessive pop work
3. External wall tiles

I understand there is a way that water heater can be shared, but I have to agree that a central water heater system makes too much sense. I also question the whole water heater idea in the first place, @ 40 degrees heat I will prefer to bath with cold water not hot.

There is also no winter in nija, so why do we even need water heater.
In my experience, its mainly sentimental and just in case. There are a lot of things we do in nija whereby its because others are doing it or merely sentimental.

mufutau55:


1. That water could be used for other things instead of being wasted.
2. Why not tiles to roof? The upper wall usually get messed-up even with glossy paint due to moisture. Please explain.
3. Is there a better way not to hang water heater in every room? Usually we have central water heater here... do they have same in Naija? Please show some pics and more explanation.. I may need this. Thanks.

Hajji M.

Table lamps can be expensive in nija
In a recent experience, half moon you can get some for N400 - N500 each.
What I found was that those fancy table lamp or shaded dinning light, cheapest was like 4k.

n3xt:


1. I'm putting this into action from tomorrow when we take on our first flat roof project on here. All the water collection points have been linked up in-wall and under the floor to connect to a central water tank for compound and outdoor usage.

2. Again, I'm putting this into play with my ongoing project where bathroom Windows are largely sized for improved lighting and ventilation. I always opt for projected windows or casement in the bathroom and I keep the slightly opened for constant airflow.

3. I really don't think it's about the cost. One thing I've found out is that we always love to find excuse to why an unusual approach may not work. Someone on here said he's considering using Aluminium sheet to clad his walls without the usual plastering and painting hullabaloos and everyone is looking at him like "what a strange man" but in reality this things are practicable and could save us a couple of bucks. I've seen them used in real world.

I knew how hard I tried to convince my client on the advantages of using lightweight steel roof over timber roofing. But luckily, it was a listening client I had this with. I knew some who would have acted differently.

Central water heater to me would seem to work like the overhead tanks we place on our structures. So it shouldn't be a big deal for a creative mind.

As per electricity, the same light that powers small heaters will power the big ones. They're just like the ACs.

Will the roofing company supply sheets that will work with metal trusses ?
Does it also mean that the running of cabling will be tied to the metal stuff using binding wire, you know with wood the pipe work can easily be nailed down.
I mainly see this kind of roof with industrial building where the requirements are different to that of a residential build.

n3xt:


Honestly, I'm shy to discuss this. I'll rather like to defer to pros but if you insist because I know you'll want to know the secret, I'll fire on.

Meanwhile, here are the positives with using steel for roofing. Abeg, don't just call welders o. There are professional Steel Construction companies that are specialist in this type of Constrcution.


STEEL VS TIMBER

Re-usable (just remove the bolts and remove) versus one-time construct.

Cheap versus Expensive (long term)

Straight versus warped, bended

Non-rotten versus carpenter ant/termite

Light weight versus heavy weight (I'll still proof it)

Incombustible versus combustible

n3xt:


1. Send-down-the-rain roof design
2. Tiles in all rooms (especially floor-to-ceiling in bathrooms)
3. Water heater in each bathroom

Please Oga brabus for learning purposes can you go into details, the three points above and if possible suggest alternatives. Thank you.

Another 40k received yesterday.
Outstanding balance is 100K.

Bosun/Brabus/N3xt, do you plan to settle way before or are we treating this as 6 weeks debt paid ?
Common, it looks as though you want to settle this in 2 more 50k installments, am i right ?

mavverick:
10k received yesterday, and 10k received today making a total of20k
Outstanding balance is 140k.
Next installment due on the 27th of June.

EgunMogaji:


Thanks for this detailed drawing.

Is the 1m a required minimum? Even for a bungalow?

Thanks.

No sir, the 1m is not the standard but because the foundation column already extended out of the DPC by one meter. The common standard for a house of 3m head room is not less than 650mm, anything from 650mm upward.

n3xt:
Contact Details of my Geotechnic/Soil Investigation Specialist


Kirks Martins Nig. Ltd. | They carried out the Ogombo Geotechnic Soil Survey we did in 2011 and some of other structural design jobs for NextHome.

A visit to their Facebook page won't be a bad idea. https://m.facebook.com/Kirksmartins.ng/

Contact them for Soil Tests (CPT, SPT) Pile Foundations etc

Nice job... Can we some of their soil report sheet? I am looking for a very good and affordable Geotechnical investigation film that can do soil test and perform good laboratory test.. . I like that idea of the pile cap in the picture below

EgunMogaji:


It's almost midnight here.

I'm in night class

We n 9ja same same now

n3xt:


Honestly, I'm shy to discuss this. I'll rather like to defer to pros but if you insist because I know you'll want to know the secret, I'll fire on.

Meanwhile, here are the positives with using steel for roofing. Abeg, don't just call welders o. There are professional Steel Construction companies that are specialist in this type of Constrcution.


STEEL VS TIMBER

Re-usable (just remove the bolts and remove) versus one-time construct.

Cheap versus Expensive (long term)

Straight versus warped, bended

Non-rotten versus carpenter ant/termite

Light weight versus heavy weight (I'll still proof it)

Incombustible versus combustible

I may disagree with some of these points

The most comon roof truss Materials are angle bar, rectangular hollow section, universal beam etc.
The minimum angle bar that can be used for roof truss is 50x50x5mm, this cost about N2,5000 per 5.5m that is around N450/m of angle bar compare to hard wood like apuntu or mahogany that cost about N450 for a 3 to 3.3m with a section of 100mm 50mm, that is N136 per meter

Some roof wood don't rust when treated, wood like apuntu, mahogany never rust or affected by termites.

Wood can be designed to have connectors like steel, if this is done the wood can be re used.

Wooden truss is considerably lighter than steel because wood have lower density when we'll seasoned than steel.

Wood truss can be more flexible for complex roof pattern.

Wood truss is easier and faster to construct compare to roof truss, hence it cost more initially to construct steel trust.

Some certain roofing sheet type can't easily by fixed on steel roof, roofing sheet like step tiles.

The z purlin commonly use in steel roof is much more expensive than the 75x 50mm commonly use in wooden roof

abdulwastecx:


I may disagree with some of these points

The most comon roof truss Materials are angle bar, rectangular hollow section, universal beam etc.
The minimum angle bar that can be used for roof truss is 50x50x5mm, this cost about N2,5000 per 5.5m that is around N450/m of angle bar compare to hard wood like apuntu or mahogany that cost about N450 for a 3 to 3.3m with a section of 100mm 50mm, that is N136 per meter

Some roof wood don't rust when treated, wood like apuntu, mahogany never rust or affected by termites.

Wood can be designed to have connectors like steel, if this is done the wood can be re used.

Wooden truss is considerably lighter than steel because wood have lower density when we'll seasoned than steel.

Wood truss can be more flexible for complex roof pattern.

Wood truss is easier and faster to construct compare to roof truss, hence it cost more initially to construct steel trust.

Some certain roofing sheet type can't easily by fixed on steel roof, roofing sheet like step tiles.

The z purlin commonly use in steel roof is much more expensive than the 75x 50mm commonly use in wooden roof

Thanks Abdulwastexc,

Until Brabus or anyone can prove the opposite of what you wrote above (Economics and Weight), l will still err on the side of Wood, over iron.

But then, nothing is impossible, ... impossible is nothing, we just need to keep an open mind.

There probably may be, COMPOSITE materials that we are not yet aware of, which have the strength of steel and the 'light weight' of Aluminium, whose production / manufacturing process has made or will make the 'economics' affordable now or in the nearest future.




Lastpage!

mavverick:
Another 40k received yesterday.
Outstanding balance is 100K.

Bosun/Brabus/N3xt, do you plan to settle way before or are we treating this as 6 weeks debt paid ?
Common, it looks as though you want to settle this in 2 more 50k installments, am i right ?

40k at once?. E be like say Brabus don hit jackpot.

n3xt:


1. The water could be channeled into the underground waste water tank for compound use.

2. Hajji, I know you're teasing us. Is Naija so different now? Moisture build-up is not caused by exposure of walls but by bottling up of a small room. Most time people keep the bathroom Windows locked without vent for air circulation. Even if one have a room with 4 windows and chose not to open them, moisture will build up with time.

3. I defer to the Oga's in plumbing work on this thread to shed light on the central system. Tospy23, Endiasami - there are central water heater tank here also but I think we are just comfortable with the traditional approach. I've seen this installed in upscale development and small residential projects (Arepo, Ogun state for example) so I know it's possible. The large tank was installed outside the building.

When next I visit the area, I'll take the picture of that house and the external water heater tanks.

Yes boss, there is the central water heating system that is been installed outside the building and it's serves all sections of the building. It is available here in nigeria. In using the central heating system, provisions for it has to be made right from the building plan. So as to know where and where it will be channeled to. It does use electricity and it saves money. In 150, 200, 300 litres. People prefer the single ones( 10, 15,30 litres) because of individuality

diordaves:

mufutau55 look at the pics below in terms of the quantity of mortar used and compare to what we use in Nigeria in setting blocks. The waste is a crying shame. look at the floor of the build, can you see any mortar waste on the floor as in Nigeria? look at the mortar used for binding.....

True. And if our block laying can be this accurate and neat... may be we will not need all those plastering anymore. Thank you Sir.

Hajji M.

Chekitaut:
I no be Egba bros

OK.. Chekitaut... identify yourself... (Ile Baba omo ki ba omo leru o).

Hajji M.

EndiaSami:


Yes boss, there is the central water heating system that is been installed outside the building and it's serves all sections of the building. It is available here in nigeria. In using the central heating system, provisions for it has to be made right from the building plan. So as to know where and where it will be channeled to. It does use electricity and it saves money. In 150, 200, 300 litres. People prefer the single ones( 10, 15,30 litres) because of individuality

How much is a 100 litter or thereabouts gas (propane) powered central water heater?

Also the PEX, is it 3/8 or 1/2 inch?

Thanks.

NL1960:


40k at once?. E be like say Brabus don hit jackpot.

No! Na 1960Bet

mavverick:
Another 40k received yesterday.
Outstanding balance is 100K.

Bosun/Brabus/N3xt, do you plan to settle way before or are we treating this as 6 weeks debt paid ?
Common, it looks as though you want to settle this in 2 more 50k installments, am i right ?

We had an agreement and I'm sticking to it so as not to run bankrupt while trying to impress.

No problem. Was just asking.
Will come back to you in 6 weeks time.
Next payment due on the 25th of July.

n3xt:


We had an agreement and I'm sticking to it so as not to run bankrupt while trying to impress.

At a level I do understand most are building and also intend to live in a part of it so they do want to make it aesthetically pleasing for them but the internals for rentals do not have to be to the same standard as yours. We end up building for ourselves. My first build all the 2 beds has 3 toilet totally unecassary. The feasibility was based on 450k for each unit. We are only able to acheive that in year 6.

spyder880:


Sure, good points. The challenge we have is following what the client wants in order to impress him , it's their money. I had a friendly argument with one of my clients about adding a parapet to a commercial block of flats and in the end, he insisted that I do the parapet. I made it clear the parapet will add nothing to the rental value but he still insisted on it.

I think it's still a decision of the owner. While some of us are so insistent on watching Costs to improve our ROI, some are in the property business for the beauty (as they will love to see it)

I will not say this camp or that is correct, because you never know why he decided to build the house in the first place. Another thing I have learned in this business is to never insist too much in a choice from the client. I will only build the house, but he owns it and stays there forever. I will really hate to be blamed some years down the line with the words "I would have done a parapet but it was Spyder that said no"

gabbytabby:
At a level I do understand most are building and also intend to live in a part of it so they do want to make it aesthetically pleasing for them but the internals for rentals do not have to be to the same standard as yours. We end up building for ourselves. My first build all the 2 beds has 3 toilet totally unecassary. The feasibility was based on 450k for each unit. We are only able to acheive that in year 6.

Hello madam, I'm confused about something.

What was reached in year 6? Positive income?

mufutau55:


OK.. Chekitaut... identify yourself... (Ile Baba omo ki ba omo leru o).

Hajji M.

Am from Lagos, Ajeromi Ifelodun LG break from Badagry LG...from Oluwa. Marriage and Biz took me to Abeokuta, everywhere is home when you make it conducive for yourself. My papa, grand papa, don sell property finish for selfish, greed and self center.

Chekitaut:
Am from Lagos, Ajeromi Ifelodun LG break from Badagry LG...from Oluwa

Thank you sir. I will surely know that place one day...

Hajji M.

abdulwastecx:


I may disagree with some of these points

The most comon roof truss Materials are angle bar, rectangular hollow section, universal beam etc.
The minimum angle bar that can be used for roof truss is 50x50x5mm, this cost about N2,5000 per 5.5m that is around N450/m of angle bar compare to hard wood like apuntu or mahogany that cost about N450 for a 3 to 3.3m with a section of 100mm 50mm, that is N136 per meter

Some roof wood don't rust when treated, wood like apuntu, mahogany never rust or affected by termites.

Wood can be designed to have connectors like steel, if this is done the wood can be re used.

Wooden truss is considerably lighter than steel because wood have lower density when we'll seasoned than steel.

Wood truss can be more flexible for complex roof pattern.

Wood truss is easier and faster to construct compare to roof truss, hence it cost more initially to construct steel trust.

Some certain roofing sheet type can't easily by fixed on steel roof, roofing sheet like step tiles.

The z purlin commonly use in steel roof is much more expensive than the 75x 50mm commonly use in wooden roof

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Initial cost outlay - YES, iron is more expensive but in the long run it is considered cheaper. I really don't need to expatiate this further. The only point to buttress this is "Why do commercial projects consider it most suitable option for large scale developments?" The simple answer is because steel requires no maintenance and it is 100% recyclable especially when you use bolts and not welded.

There's no wood that doesn't have its shortfalls unless it is engineered. Even the Ironwood, Charcoal wood, Mahogany, Teak and requires so many special care and treatment to keep them in tiptop shape. These includes keeping them away from moisture, excessive exposure to sun. Now, this wood are very scarce in the market and are often mixed up with lookalikes for those who knew nothing about woods. The weight of woods varies according to their water (moisture) content and unless you're going to kiln or season your timber yourself (which is nearly impossible in our part of the world), the weight of various woods used on a building will never be the same. This cannot be said of steel! 70mm by 5mm is the same even if you have them in thousands.

Steel to wood connection is possible but remember the wood joists rest on i-section beam which is also an additional weight itself.

I agree the wood have a lower density than steel but can you use the same amount of wood when compared to steel to construct a marquee tent (the ones event centers are building this days). Definitely No! Or very impossible unless it is engineered and I'm sure you know it'll definitely cost a lot more than using steel.

Woods cannot be used for flexible application more than steels. Check most of the domes, sports centres, stadias, monuments and even towers, you'll see them constructed in steel and not woods. I'm sure you definitely know the reasons. Longevity and Durability. Stadias are built to last forever!!

I believe steel is faster to install than woods and more importantly is the possibility of off-site and work-to-suit fabrication which makes it less stressful installation than wood.

All types of roofing sheet can be installed on lightweight steel roof. It depends on the installer and the degree of slope. I'm sure you won't propose step-tiles on a 12deg slope roof be it wood, concrete or steel.

I agree the Z purlins is more expensive than woods but a steel roof will use lesser quantity of purlins when compared with using woods. For the build at hand, I'm getting just 100 purlins which equates to about 200 woods. Can you use 200 pcs of 75 x 100mm woods for a roof of 500sqm?

Steel roofs when properly done can withstand strong winds and are more impact-resistant than woods.


When you use steel, you just go to sleep!

Madam Gabby

I trust you are good.
I would like to ask you some questions, if you were to build 2 bed flats again, lets say in Ajiwe area of Ajah. What would you include and what would you exclude ?

I thought En-suite was more of a standard these days, I know someone who has a block of flats around Isheri Olofin, no tiles and only 1 central toilet/bathroom. I hear to rent is difficult now because tenants expect tiling and also 2 toilets at least.

gabbytabby:
At a level I do understand most are building and also intend to live in a part of it so they do want to make it aesthetically pleasing for them but the internals for rentals do not have to be to the same standard as yours. We end up building for ourselves. My first build all the 2 beds has 3 toilet totally unecassary. The feasibility was based on 450k for each unit. We are only able to acheive that in year 6.

abdulwastecx:


Nice job... Can we some of their soil report sheet? I am looking for a very good and affordable Geotechnical investigation firm that can do soil test and perform good laboratory test.. . I like that idea of the pile cap in the picture below

I've posted the summary of the report online sometimes ago but I'll do it again. Just the summary. The real reason why I don't want this public is some people may just end up duplicating this report to deceive unsuspecting clients.

But as a colleague, I can share full report with you via email. But you go give me at least a day o. Too many files to dig out.

write2obi:

Please Oga brabus for learning purposes can you go into details, the three points above and if possible suggest alternatives. Thank you.

I'll surely do at much later time tonight or tomorrow morning.

mufutau55:


Thank you sir. I will surely know that place one day...

Hajji M.

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