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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Juokorow(m): 3:24pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
FastShipping: Sometimes, a partial disclosure stirs panic and, hence, is worse than silence. On my need to know, given potential collaboration, please confirm that Abdulwastecx and Spyder880 are clear of this dark cloud over "engineers and builders". Thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by write2obi(m): 3:25pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
n3xt:I asked what you think about flat roofs considering how hot it's usually gets in Nigeria, what are the advantage and disadvantages of a flat roof over a high roof?. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brag3: 3:26pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Evil prospers when good people keep quiet. FastShipping: 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:28pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Juokorow: I rest my case 2 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 3:31pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
agarawu23: Chief Abulesowo, go to Houzz.Com and knock yourself out or install their app. Oh wait, you and Hajj don't like hitech stuff and are still using this 1 Like
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olawale100: 3:33pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Bad things happen not only when good people refuse to act, but also when good people keep quite. It is always good to relay bad experiences. Many Nairalanders especially in diaspora relies on what they see on this site to make their judgement. Please let us speak up against this bad people. If people make genuine mistake, that is entirely different. Will you look away if a bad person commit a crime such as rape? It could be your sister or daughter tomorrow. Evil multiplies when good people look away.. 7 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:47pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
write2obi: Pls gimme some time to tidy up today's work. I'll feedback on why flat roof is my choice on certain type of property. Regards. Brabus. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 3:53pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Boss @fastshipping what an experience...you are a tolerance man I must confess 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by ahmedonia4real(m): 4:34pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
I know of some guyz that are internet rats like dat, they too can keep this kind of a secret because they see the fraudster as a colleague. So they wont want to talk too much because dey too got their money through illegal means........ 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by back2sender: 4:39pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
twinskenny:I beg to differ with oga fast shipping on this. He should name the fraudulent engineer. This reminds me of spiderman when he saw those thieves and refuses to act only for the same thieves to kill his uncle. Evil thrive when good men do nothing. Oga FastShipping just give us a clue about the person and leave the rest for us, we will do the needful here 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Juokorow(m): 5:01pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
As a senior citizen, one is reminded of the need to avoid opening a Pandora's box, voluntarily, only to plead oath of silence or "the fifth", thereafter! 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 5:15pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
agarawu23:Here is a sample. 1 Like
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 6:44pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Qc1: No. I had keem4u@gmail.com and keem4u@yahoo.com I guess they are old now... I have used them to communicate with you several times in the past. I have resent the info though. Thanks. Hajji M. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 6:48pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Pandora Ko, bees shack ni. You all should do your due diligence before engaging anyone to build your house. I let few people close to me know what happened and they were my witnesses to this. One thing I won't do is to get into childish unending character assassination that goes on here or destroy someone's livelihood. This life is good and the bad. You take each one as they come. When Brabus saga came up few times, I voiced my opinions and displeasure and moved on. One thing I won't do is to come here on daily basis and act like a girl who got jilted. I feel for Qc1 and others who lost hard earned money. It is painful to go through what they went through after losing millions. So who am I to lose approximately 500k when oga Qc1 lost millions. For those who want me to mention name, sorry I won't. I have dealt with the issue privately and advised the so called engineer. He promised not to disappoint anyone in the future. If he likes, he yields to my advice or do the opposite. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:00pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
I swear to god that this section is as funny if not more funny than the joke section At least on there we know we're dealing with mostly teenyboppers but here I know it's mostly adults, this makes it even more hilarious. Carry on. #MySignature 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 7:19pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Everything FastShipping wrote in his earlier narratives is TRUE. I was involved big time, I spent countless hours on the phone with the said Nairalander after FastShipping contacted me. We all have the way we deal issues in our life, I have to respect FastShipping decision not to go public and especially when a family member is involved. I respect every person's privacy. I have countless Nairalanders contacting me with various issues like Builders/contractor/artisan referrals, contract negotiations, dispute settlements. I have never come to this forum and opened any "can of worm" any anyone. I wanted to go public but FastShipping pleaded not to, because I was mad about the issue. But I knew FastShipping personally and have to abide by his wish. FastShipping is one of the Nairalander I knew well as a friend and anyone who ever met him will agree. He is not the type of person that will take food away from anyone's mouth... so he thought the guy will learn from his mistake. I have received several inquiries about the same Nairalander after the FastShipping incidents and I have always told the inquirers the full story and why they need to stay away from the person. I have a thread opened about a month ago and link posted here several times for this type of info, but how many people have even commented on that thread, even those who complained about Brabus and some others? So, people blame nobody for the way they handle their affairs. Just a hint from FastShipping message, the person is a so-called Roofer. Thank you. Hajji M. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brag3: 7:43pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Thanks Madam, Please hope you don't mind and I dont mean to pry at but just for my sanity. Please can mention what you got in years 1, 2, 3 leading up to year 6? I am just amazed at this and we need to prapare and set our expectations. Hope you don't mind gabbytabby: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:44pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
A smart script writer from Nollywood should come in and write a soap opera. Alliances made, alliances broken, skirmishes and wars, breakups, makeups, troublemakers, soothsayers, peacemakers, The critical question is who will play EgunMogaji and Azuh? Hajj can be played by Kosoko Snr. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 7:46pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
EgunMogaji: Oga mi I beg o... and let Ms. Olunloyo come after me? NO O. Hajji M. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 8:01pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
@Hajj M....Your hint clears a lot of doubts and speculations. It has also made it a short list. Thanks for the headsup Babalose 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by lastpage: 8:33pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
write2obi: FastShipping: mufutau55: I have culled this three responses, to shed light on this discussion. I have asked a question in my previous post (which probably started this discussion today): Why have we not seen Hajj M come here to called someone a fraud and attack him the way some are doing endlessly, despite been aware of what is going-on? I suggested it was due to MATURITY.... and Hajj's post above has vindicated me on that. Now, let me say a few things that would nto go down with some people on this thread: We are all different...in so many ways. Some are here just to ridicule others. some are here just to inflate their tiny ego! Some are here just to 'dance the flow'. Some are here to share their wealth of experience. Some are here to learn. Some are here to "validate" their insecurity. Some are here to 'feel among' and love to "gang-up" against others. Some are l little bit of some of the things...... but no one here can claim PERFECTION. We all know were we fall. Having said that, we need to distinguish between a few things: 1.) "exposing a fraud/Criminal/Charlatan" Contractors (Which l agree is good and necessary). The only way to prevent them from scamming someone else is to expose them. 2.) Character Assassination: This have two dimensions in defining it. a) General/English definition: the act of saying false things about a person usually in order to make the public stop liking or trusting that person. It is also the slandering of a person, usually with the intention of destroying public confidence in that person b.) Legal Definition: Character Assassination refers to the slandering or vicious personal verbal attack on a person with the intention of destroying or damaging that person’s reputation or confidence. In other words it is malicious verbal assaults designed to damage or tarnish the reputation of a person. Once done, these acts are often difficult to reverse or rectify. Therefore it is likened to a literal assassination of a human life. The damage sustained can last a lifetime or, for historical figures and important personalities, for many centuries after their death. It involves a deliberate attempt to destroy a person's reputation, especially by criticizing them in an unfair and dishonest way when they are not present. It can also involve exaggeration or manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person, double speak, spreading of rumors, innuendo or deliberate misinformation on topics relating to the subject's morals, integrity, and reputation. It is a form of defamation. 3.) Exposure with intent to warn others and to assist the "accused Contractor to turn a new leaf": In this instance, the aggrieved Client will expose the Contractor so as to warn others but will at the same time, leave room for the Contractor to confess his sins, ask for forgiveness and promise to not repeat such in future and to get better! This type of "EXPOSURE or not keeping quiet", benefits everyone and up-builds us as humans. Now, looking at the definitions above, you will agree with me that a WICKED, FRAUDULENT CONTRACTOR cannot claim that "his character is being assassinated", when he is EXPOSED to the public, by an aggrieved Client. But you will also agree that Character assassination, goes beyond JUST EXPOSING the criminal contractor, so as to warn others... it involves taking additional and further steps to COMPLETELY DESTROY THE PERSON, for personal and wicked reasons. More like the "Legal Definition". This is what some of us here want to do to Brabus. Some of us here want to completely KILL HIM! That is not what a decent humanbeing should do. *Yes, you expose him so that others will "keep their eyes open" when dealing with him. *You expose him so that he knows people are watching him *You give him the opportunity to "reform and turn a new leaf" (One of the reasons l keep jumping on Brabus's back, from time to time, with "encouraging comments", because l want him to get better *You ask him to come clean, make amends and even help him to get better. What you need not do is keep tarnishing his image for MONTHS, keep "assassinating" his personality" (Some even carry this on their head when they have never given him a job to do, cry more than the bereaved and generally just want to KILL HIM and his Family). The question is: WHY... and what do you gain from totally destroying a young man... because he made mistakes! Let me say this here: A lot of us would have made some of the mistakes Brabus or some other Contractors made if not that "we learned from their own mistakes and improved on it". So, their mistake is our own benefit, somehow. There are people here how dont know "jack" about construction and stylishly ask questions because they are too arrogant o agree they dont know "jack" ... yet they are the "leaders and champion" of the "crucify-him-brigade"! What smelly hypocrisy is that? I dont want to focus on Brabus per say but l know that he is refunding the money of the fake approval back to Maverick! That is a positive I know that he is in discussion with Qc-1, on how to correct the problems in that building and salvage the situation. That is a positive But l have a problem with him trying to defend himself too much, at all cost, with some hint of arrogance that upsets the Client and everyone else. *We have told him this in no uncertain terms but does that mean we should DESTROY HIM COMPLETELY? *Does that mean we should ensure he never has any job again? *Does that mean we should ensure his family cant be fed again? *Does that mean we should not "let go" fo the name-calling and try to help him improve by keeping and eye on him and encouraging him? What people dont realize is that at times, people behave better when they know that "they have been forgiven and much is expected of them". It is a process l use on my own children (sorry to use that example, no disrespect to adult people here). You do something terrible, l "word you very well" but wont punish you.. when yo are expecting me to punish you! I just tell you to go and "correct yourself and convince me that l should not punish you"! Surprisingly, the child! wants to impress me at all cost and in the process, gets better by the day. That is why l quoted what @write2obi said above. EXPOSE, CRITICISE, .... BUT KNOW "WHEN TO STOP",...... BEFORE IT TURNS TO CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. If the offender is ready to turn a new leaf (after mentioning his name to everyone or some matured people... who in-turn will keep a close eye on him, ensuring that he is really improving and not doing the same scam again), why then do we need to "kill him"? Like Jesus said: He who is without blemish, should cast the first stone! (I still insist on mentioning the name IMMEDIATELY the Fraud occurs). In real life, some of us are worse than the hypocritical stance we portray on this faceless column. You can see as much as that from what they write, if you are very perceptive. So, let us lay-off Brabus matter, let us keep an eye on him and any other person but dont let us assassinate their character, in the legal sense of it. We are all imperfect and we are all learners but we must be truthful, upright and strive to be good. Lastpage! PS: If anyone misinterpret my stance as supporting fraud, it is their own comprehension level and they are entitled to it. I will expose fraud but will not assassinate the person completely. Humans can reform, if given the chance 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 8:34pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
babalose: Thank you sir. I just hate to break a friendly promise. Hajji M. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:39pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Yawwwnnnn.....snore.....request resoundingly denied. Metal to the pedal, full speed ahead. Edit: I'm not on here for popularity contest, I could care less what some online userid thinks of me / shyte doesn't pay my bills. I do note though that QC1 issue is now getting visibility and payments to Mavverick has been increased. Success. All good stuff. When I say some people are below me and don't count then the thread will blow up again. So I won't say it 6 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 8:47pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
@Lastpage ..... to save space I did not quote your message! While I was looking for words to put this narratives into something better... Lastpage you came out and broke everything into pieces.... some people are good... you are good at writing and analyzing things. Thank you for the rescue. Note: I want to be like you when I grow up o. Hajji M. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:52pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
For those that monitor the development in their areas, Google has updated their map recently. No money, dollar is high, but still I see houses are springing up around me like mushrooms |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mavverick: 8:59pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
Oga FastShipping Very interesting read up, but I think you should mention the name of the builder or engineer (EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THE PERSON ALREADY, HE SOMETIMES WEARS GLASSES AND APPARENTLY ONLY HIM IS ALLOWED TO VISIT A PARTICULAR STONE COATED ROOFING COMPANY ). Those of us in Diaspora have suffered in the hands of engineer on NL oo. Personally, I have had too many bad experience. * Brabus * AdeEkiti * Another Big Engineer on NL Big ko, smalls ni !! Thats making 3 people now, all of which ended with a bad taste in my mouth. Haji knows the full story of all 3 of them, bless him. Haji has heard all these negative stories so many times. Haji, how may good stories have you heard about Artisans on NL ?, I only told you about one and even that one self, he has his own headache but still a correct guy, just some of his workers are funny. FastShipping: |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 9:03pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
mavverick: But at least we turned AdeEkiti thing to good story... and was amicably settled with satisfactory result. He is cleaned. That, I am glad. With some others... you just have to leverage the bad with the good... and in the end things will work itself out. It is well IJN. Hajji M. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
FastShipping: Longest time boss, I sent u messages on BBM and no response. What stage are u in your build? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 9:09pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
lastpage: Another library/academic prefect here too In my own case I held the post for 2 years, from SS1 till SS2. My respects Sir. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:11pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:13pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by mufutau55(m): 9:13pm On Jun 16, 2016 |
n3xt: I will ever be glad to hear that. We all need salvation. Hajji M. 1 Like |
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