@Egunmogaji, when you said you diy those houses in Texas, pls can you explain exactly how you did this?

E.g
1. Did you do the foundation yourself? Do the forming yourself, did roofing, electrical, mechanical, plastering, e.t.c all by yourself?

OR

2. Did you get professionals in each of the areas I have listed to do the work while you project manage them as a general contractor?

EgunMogaji:


Learning is good but don't do it on your customers dime. That's why we have apprentice. Brabus can go learn under Skimanski, Spyder880, etc

Also, don't gloat in front of a dissatisfied client.

I have no problem with learning and education.

Very well said sir. It's also imperative to consult people who know more when faced with challenges.

mufutau55:


Is the First Aluminium more expensive than Tower then?

Hajji M.

Not at all. Tower > First Aluminum > STANDARD aluminum > Imported aluminum..

From the costliest to the cheapest..

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Below is a link to the fact sheet of Asbestos.

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/asbestos/asbestos-fact-sheet

It is most dangerous when it is "friable"..... caused mostly when painted upon, deterioration due to aging, heat, shaking, e.t.c
all the above can happen on your ceiling anytime


You are welcome.




Lastpage!

Thanks you for the explanation. Although I am resolute on using it.

All the same, what is the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling? Just want to widen my knowledge.


Do good for good to come your way!!!

Demainman1:
@Egunmogaji, when you said you diy those houses in Texas, pls can you explain exactly how you did this?

E.g
1. Did you do the foundation yourself? Do the forming yourself, did roofing, electrical, mechanical, plastering, e.t.c all by yourself?

OR

2. Did you get professionals in each of the areas I have listed to do the work while you project manage them as a general contractor?

I was the GC but did work on things that I had the time and inclination for, such as tiling, audio/video wiring, etc

My county code required a licensed plumber and electrician to tie into the public utilities do that as an example was farmed out. I hire professionals for any phase of work that was economical to farm out. For example I'm not going to pour a slab when there are outfits that specialize just on that.

I'm using the same practice that works for me in Nigeria except I'm more hands off in a physical sense. As stated before, Nigeria is nothing but a vacation/retirement destination for me so I'll rather be more hands off but still looking at the big picture.

Here's YT video of a couple building their house in Australia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJPmM0T789M

The same is repeated all over the world.

I suspect that cheap labor has spoilt the average Nigerian.

Thanks for the clarification. I have always wrongly assumed that you did everything from substructure to roofing, plumbing, electrical, tiling etc yourself whenever you say that you have built houses through DIY in the States.

EgunMogaji:


I was the GC but did work on things that I had the time and inclination for, such as tiling, audio/video wiring, etc

My county code required a licensed plumber and electrician to tie into the public utilities do that as an example was farmed out. I hire professionals for any phase of work that was economical to farm out. For example I'm not going to pour a slab when there are outfits that specialize just on that.

I'm using the same practice that works for me in Nigeria except I'm more hands off in a physical sense. As stated before, Nigeria is nothing but a vacation/retirement destination for me so I'll rather be more hands off but still looking at the big picture.

Here's YT video of a couple building their house in Australia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJPmM0T789M

The same is repeated all over the world.

I suspect that cheap labor has spoilt the average Nigerian.

Good morning Sirs'/Ma's A zillion and more thanks to you all that helped me achieve this goal. Regardless of the side talks and all, you deemed that I was worthy of your vote....how do I even begin to appreciate it all? May God in His mercies continue to bless you all for your efforts. As you all gave me a reason to smile, you'll continue to find happiness in whatever you put your hands, I know I can't pay you all for all the efforts you put in bringing me here, my thank isn't even enough.... But accept it... God bless you..
Thank you once again.



#Lanicky.

lanicky:
Good morning Sirs'/Ma's A zillion and more thanks to you all that helped me achieve this goal. Regardless of the side talks and all, you deemed that I was worthy of your vote....how do I even begin to appreciate it all? May God in His mercies continue to bless you all for your efforts. As you all gave me a reason to smile, you'll continue to find happiness in whatever you put your hands, I know I can't pay you all for all the efforts you put in bringing me here, my thank isn't even enough.... But accept it... God bless you..
Thank you once again.



#Lanicky.

I had a strong feeling that you'll win ... dats cus I never support missing Syd

congrats girl

KolaShangOne:

Not at all. Tower > First Aluminum > STANDARD aluminum > Imported aluminum..
From the costliest to the cheapest..

I thought so...

Hajji M.

ANBAKO:


Thanks you for the explanation. Although I am resolute on using it.

All the same, what is the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling? Just want to widen my knowledge.


Do good for good to come your way!!!

Everything you want to know about Asbestos is in the "link" l provided for you.

READ IT, ........if you want.



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Demainman1:
Thanks for the clarification. I have always wrongly assumed that you did everything from substructure to roofing, plumbing, electrical, tiling etc yourself whenever you say that you have built houses through DIY in the States.

That is why l used the word COMPLEXITY, to describe certain things that one cant DIY by himself!

Even if you know "how to do it" ...... Govt regulations would still INSIST you hire someone who is a Qualified Professional to "oversee and stamp" what you are doing.

For example, if you are not qualified Electrical Engineer or even a Qualified Electrical 'Technician', why would you want to attempt a "Complete and Standard" wiring of say, a Three Storey Complex?
That would be a disaster waiting to happen.

I think its a question of JUDGEMENT.... knowing when to DIY, and knowing when to 'throw your hands-Up" and allow Professional do their job


All the same, there is a thrill l get when l see my DIY builds standing strong & firm. I am sure other DIY enthusiasts feel the same way

Honestly, its mostly Supervision that l do ......... and my Resident Engineer is paid to come and appraise what l have done (before and after)..... before l kill myself!



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Dominionng:


Asbestos was never a product but mineral substance just like tremolite and amosite. It was a substance added to the production of ceiling sheets for insulation purpose. It has long been replaced with eternit and nutec since experts discovered that it's cancerous. Russia, Brazil and other asbestos producing Nations halted the production of the substance long ago. So, Nigerite don't add the substance in the production of their ceiling sheets. Lagos is safe! Regards...

- September 2015

Cc ANBAKO
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Demainman1:
Thanks for the clarification. I have always wrongly assumed that you did everything from substructure to roofing, plumbing, electrical, tiling etc yourself whenever you say that you have built houses through DIY in the States.

What I do is the opposite of walking up, writing a check and moving in. You'll hardly ever meet anyone they'll single handedly build a habitable structure for humans. Heck even my friend who's building a buried container home still has trades there.

It's all down to skillet and more of willingness than fear of complexity. The guy that wired the 3 story building doesn't have two heads.

I guess I was supervising myself when I installed insulation in my house or spent the weekend installing siding

We all have different motivations in life.

Anyways people also assemble their own cars and aircraft too (more complex than a house) but that's another thread on another section


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5mmxDCbQg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHwaxRIfuA

lastpage:

But Asbestos has been shown to damage our health, lungs in particular!
How about you do a light DECKING on it.... since there wont be any weight on it.
Lastpage!

If not PVC, why not then just POP as the decking process may cost more.

Hajji M.

Dominionng:
- September 2015

Cc ANBAKO
. LASTPAGE

Bros,
Are you very sure about this.

lastpage:



Everything you want to know about Asbestos is in the "link" l provided for you.

READ IT, ........if you want.



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Thank you last page. What I asked for is composition of "kalsiceil" popularly called asbestos.

Please note that I am a world class Mechanical Engineer (and I am not DIY but BIY) and part of my yearly EHS training includes Asbestos, Lead, mercury, fibers and other substance that we come across in our world wide sojourn called work. Even though I read through your link which is interesting but it does not give any info on constituents of (for example) "kalsiceil from Nigerite" which is my question.

No need to be "somersaulting" fonts to answer a simple question.

If you cannot answer it....please leave for others to answer and stop bogging me with cancer and asbestos when there is no proof of its presence in the material we are talking about (at least not until I see a document showing that).

As I mentioned yesterday, Nobody is holy but level of our "unholiness" is different. "Aparo kan o ga ju'kan lo....".
Asking is neither a crime nor weakness, it is a strength to know!!!!

Do good for good to come your way!!!

lanicky:
Good morning Sirs'/Ma's A zillion and more thanks to you all that helped me achieve this goal. Regardless of the side talks and all, you deemed that I was worthy of your vote....how do I even begin to appreciate it all? May God in His mercies continue to bless you all for your efforts. As you all gave me a reason to smile, you'll continue to find happiness in whatever you put your hands, I know I can't pay you all for all the efforts you put in bringing me here, my thank isn't even enough.... But accept it... God bless you..
Thank you once again.



#Lanicky.

God bless you real good, you just demonstrated you have manners and well brought for remembering to come back and express your gratitude, honestly i was not expecting this. Be good and do good.

EgunMogaji:


What I do is the opposite of walking up, writing a check and moving in. You'll hardly ever meet anyone they'll single handedly build a habitable structure for humans. Heck even my friend who's building a buried container home still has trades there.

The bolded is EXACTLY what some 'Diasporeans' have done with Brabus ..... which l referred to as "Give him Money and go to Sleep", in my past post!
I said it is not an "ideal" practice; at least have an "external, qualified person" (a sort of Building Consultant..using "big grammar" ) to act on your behalf and monitor what is being done.

Ofcourse, everyone crucified me for saying the obvious truth!
Some even said call me names.

HISTORY is always a good judge of human intentions.



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mufutau55:


If not PVC, why not then just POP as the decking process may cost more.

Hajji M.

You are right Hajj.

Alternatives are not always cheaper.

I reckon the poster said he will NOT use PVC but wants to use Asbestos.

For health reasons, l gave him an alternative which agrees with his #against PVC..... but does not endanger his health!
Only that it does not come cheaper.

Alternatively, l would even suggest he just use "thick enough" Plywood Boards
That should be comparative to Asbestos in terms of pricing.



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ANBAKO:


Thank you last page. What I asked for is composition of "kalsiceil" popularly called asbestos.

Please note that I am a world class Mechanical Engineer (and I am not DIY but BIY) and part of my yearly EHS training includes Asbestos, Lead, mercury, fibers and other substance that we come across in our world wide sojourn called work. Even though I read through your link which is interesting but it does not give any info on constituents of (for example) "kalsiceil from Nigerite" which is my question.

No need to be "somersaulting" fonts to answer a simple question.

If you cannot answer it....please leave for others to answer and stop bogging me with cancer and asbestos when there is no proof of its presence in the material we are talking about (at least not until I see a document showing that).

As I mentioned yesterday, Nobody is holy but level of our "unholiness" is different. "Aparo kan o ga ju'kan lo....".
Asking is neither a crime nor weakness, it is a strength to know!!!!

Do good for good to come your way!!!

Rudeness seems to be ingrained in some of you!

if you knew all the answer, why are you here asking silly Questions from everyone, when you can obviously Google it!

So, it is now that you remember you have PhD in Chemistry, abi.

and you need to write a foolscap sheet to sound-off?

Funny folks ask question about what they dont know, when they get the answers, they start forming knowledgeable!
Crass Arrogance!

Engineer indeed. Using Asbestos in 2016!

SMH
Just bleep-off and dont respond to me any further... because l just activated my "IGNORE Button" on you.



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@Lastpage. ......seeing you angry for the first time.


Babalose

It's public knowledge that asbestos possess health risk.
It has been long banned in many developed countries.
Asbestos is asbestos and they are magnesium silicate family.
Knowing that we don't have effective regulatory body in nigeria, I won't be surprised to know it's still used in products.

babalose:
@Lastpage. ......seeing you angry for the first time.


Babalose

Am really SORRY about that!

But just see what happened?

I even suggested another alternative (Wood plaster boards).... and here he is blaming me for "Asbestos" wahala and doing it in a very insulting manner!

Anyway, that is what happens on a faceless forum.

All sorts

My apologies.
I will learn to IGNORE "help Questions", as much as l can, henceforth



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ANBAKO:


Thanks you for the explanation. Although I am resolute on using it.

All the same, what is the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling? Just want to widen my knowledge.


Do good for good to come your way!!!

With due respect of your personal right to choose, why would you be "resolute on using it", before discerning "the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling" used in Nigeria? Asbestos is is hazardous, period; it has been banned even for auto break pad/lining in many western countries. I truly hope that your resolve to use it is informed by confirmation that the ceiling material in question is asbestos, in name only! In other words, please confirm before you resolve.

Best wishes on your decision and outcomes.

I also have an interest in using the Nigerite products but only if it doesn't contain asbestos.

I emailed marketingdirector@nigeritelimited.com

Hello people. Please i want to use Stucco paint for some areas in my building. The question is do I need to screed the walls before applying the stucco paint? Thanks

Juokorow:


With due respect for your personal right to choose, why would you be "resolute on using it", before discerning "the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling" used in Nigeria? Asbestos is is hazardous, period; it has been banned even for auto break pad/lining in many western countries. I truly hope that your resolve to use it is informed by confirmation that the ceiling material in question is asbestos, in name only! In other words, please confirm before you resolve.

Best wishes on your decision and outcomes.

I don't think asbestos is in the product anymore (the factory is ISO 9001) I think it's just a situation of our local artisans calling the material asbestos.

In any case I have emailed the factory. But then this is Nigeria, could they lie?

Dieumerci:

Bros,
Are you very sure about this.

That "asbestos" is not a product or that Nigerite don't add it to their ceiling sheets anymore? Positive on both.

fash78:
Hello people. Please i want to use Stucco paint for some areas in my building. The question is do I need to screed the walls before applying the stucco paint? Thanks

Yes sir. It would make it come out nice and save on materials needed.
It has to be applied in layers. I think the appliers include screeding in the charges per sqm.

EgunMogaji:


I don't think asbestos is in the product anymore (the factory is ISO 9001) I think it's just a situation of our local artisans calling the material asbestos.

In any case I have emailed the factory. But then this is Nigeria, could they lie?

In that case, the manufacturers/marketers need to revise their lingo/script, away from the impression that their products do contain "asbestos", similar to how they list the fire, water and pest resistance. People like me shied away from considering such ceilings because of existing misrepresentation/ description.

I look forward to the results of your ongoing inquiries!

@gbadexy.....if appliers of stucco paint includes cost of screeding in the paint job, isn't it better not to do screeding when one intends to use stucco paint?



Babalose