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Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Seun(m): 1:23pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
As a muslim, would you prefer to live in an Islamic country governed by Islamic laws and principles, rather than a secular country which defends the rights of women, muslims, christians, atheists, lesbians, gays, scantily clad babes, drinkers, and all minorities, and treats them equally? If your answer is 'yes,' what are some of the ways in which you feel that an Islamic country would be better for your life than a secular country? 74 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by cckris: 1:44pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Sincere Nigerian Moslems should seek Visas to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, instead of travelling to the United States, the great Satan. 168 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by greetings(f): 2:36pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Personally, I used to think it's the best thing for someone to live in a Muslim country. As I grew older I realised, the most important thing is first security of life and property, which is what Islam preaches. So, as long as this basic condition is met, go for it! Western countries; this is what they have. They might not believe in God but then protection of life and property is so important to them. You would think they did. My opinion. 59 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by eitsei(m): 3:57pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
greetings:So you think life and properties are not secured in Islamic countries? 47 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by eitsei(m): 4:05pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar... I won't think twice before going to any of the above listed countries but most preferably Saudi Arabia, if I have the opportunity. Living in Saudi Arabia will give me the opportunity to live in a peaceful country where I will be able to practice my religion as Allah wants it, where life and properties are rightly secured. Human rights is not abused in Saudi Arabia as long as it does not go against the tenets of Islam 101 Likes 12 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 6:29pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Seun still has the mindset that islaam does not give women rights..... Anyway, I would love to live in an Islamic country that practices the real Islamic law eg Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, Oman and yep, kingdom of Saudi Arabia (however I don't agree with the Saudi law that bans women from driving cars, since Aisha the prophet's wife rode camels in her lifetime) However, I would NEVER live in these so-called Islamic countries: Afghanistan, Pakistan.... these two are so corrupt, they changed to law to suit their taste, etc.... I would have loved to live in these countries, but they are war-torn now, and I pray Allah makes them find peace: Palestine, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and I think Lebanon.... And Allah knows best...... 79 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Demmzy15(m): 7:46pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
I can live in Islamic states like saudi arabia, Qatar, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait but not Iran or Afghanistan! 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by ShiaMuslim: 9:52pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
cckris: You actually think it is only Muslims (in particular Wahhabis) who are destroying Muslim countries without America's complicity? There's no Muslim country on fire that American hand or the hand of its puppets was not used to kindle the fire. American meddling is setting the Middle East on fire. In every Muslim country they try to impose their rules or have imposed their rules. Otherwise peace will not reign. You name them. In 1953, the CIA engineered a coup in Iran that overthrew a democratically elected government. Since the Islamic Revolution led by Ayatollah Khomeini, there is one conspiracy after another to topple the Islamic regime or to make it restless. Name any country and you'd find American hand. 61 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 1:55am On Jun 29, 2016 |
the interesting thing is that by the tenets of Islam, there is no true Islamic country. all muslim nations are ideally supposed to be a single caliphate that is not happening. what we have are monarchies. also, there are no rights in most countries in the middle east.saudi arabia is the worst of the lot women there have essentially zero rights. they cannot drive, they cannot go out without being accompanied by a man, they do practically nothing but get married then sit in a house and get fat. Lagusta: Khadija the wife of the propeht [PBUH] was an established businesswoman. i doubt if you can find any women like that in Saudi arabia today. women's rights over there are taking baby steps. they only recently got some form of voting rights Arabs are the world's greatest as-sholes. you think whites are racist, arabs are far worse. and they have very little respect for peoples rights etal. they regularly abuse second/third tier immigrants [uneducated bangladeshis, etc] the Quran says a person with an atoms weight of pride will not enter Al Janah - Arabs have the pride thing on lockdown. we all know the stories of their degenerate princes who do not behave in anyway like pious muslims, and who waste money like there is no tomorrow. there are massive restrictions for the average citizen [ internet etc], but these do not apply to the ruling class. My dad worked in Saudi Arabia for ten years. we used to go visiting once a year what made my dad eventually leave; the UN passed a resolution that anyone who has worked ten years in a place is entitled to a pension. the arabs who are not down with that even though The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Give to the worker his wages before his sweat dries" (Ibn Majah).” (Al-A`raf 7:85), (Al-Mutaffifin 83:1-6) and (Ibn Majah). immediately sacked all workers who had been employed for ten years with the plan of reemploying them as fresh hires. my dad realised he had been in saudi for ten years and decided it was enough. off the cuff, i cant think of any arab country that truly practises Islam. they are mostly a bunch of corrupt monarchies who are able to keep the citizenry in check with oil money. a better bet might be malaysia or indonesia or turkey ; though they too probably have their issues. and yes, I am a Muslim. this is not an endorsement of secular countries per se; they all have their issues - the US is not a particularly fantastic place if you are not a rich white man, but thats a story for another day. 210 Likes 14 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Demmzy15(m): 2:37am On Jun 29, 2016 |
oyb: This statement of yours is very wrong, the Prophet(saw) prophesied on how there would be caliphate which would be taken away and then replaced by kingship. As for the underlined, I seriously hope you aren't walking on the the path of "kharijiyyah" and "takfir"? 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 3:02am On Jun 29, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Al-Tirmidhi Hadith (Hadith 1441) ""Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allaah wishes it to, then Allaah will raise it up when He wishes to raise it up. Then there will be Khilaafah upon the manner of Prophethood and it will remain amongst you for as long as Allaah wishes it to, then Allaah will raise it up when He wishes to raise it up. Then there will be harsh kingship which will remain amongst you for as long as Allaah wishes it to, then Allaah will raise it up when He wishes to raise it up. Then there will be tyrannical kingship and it will remain amongst you for as long as Allaah wishes it to, then Allaah will raise it up when He wishes to raise it up. Then there will be Khilaafah upon the manner of Prophethood. Then he was silent" so does distressful/harsh or proud/tyrannical kingship sound like an Islamic Utopia? it actually falls in line with what i posted before. most of those countries [ saudi arabia, kuwait] are tyrannical /proud regimes. some are currently distressed [yemen] . going by the hadith, Sunnah and Quran, is a kingdom/monarchy [hereditary leadership] in any form a legitimate form of government? or is it just imams looking the other way because the kings are giving them power and authority? 12 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Sirolad(m): 5:34am On Jun 29, 2016 |
There is a distinction between Islamic Country and Arab countries. What defines an Islamic Country as separate from an Arab countries ? 21 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by greetings(f): 6:17am On Jun 29, 2016 |
eitsei: I didn't infer that. I only stated that no matter the kind of country,my preference for any that protects life and properties will come first. I can live in a Muslim countre as long as it meets this condition. There is no country that is not bedevilled with serious issues,that's why I take this stand. May Allah have mercy on the Ummah. 7 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Dhelake: 12:23pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
I am a muslim but I don't think I can live in any of the Islamic countries. It will be bad for anyone's sanity. 67 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by eitsei(m): 1:02pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Dhelake:How? 1 Like |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Seun(m): 5:58pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Seun:Eitsei, Lagusta, Demmzy15, I'd be glad if you can answer this. Thanks. |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 10:12pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
@oyb..... Your post was a very intelligent one, and I agree with you in Toto.... However, I would still state that Saudi Arabia, as bad as it is, is still better than Pakistan..... I heard that in that third world country (remember most of the 'muslims' there are grave-worshipping Sufis) women's rights have reached absolute zero (and I mean -273.15°C) Women don't drive, they don't go to school, they work only in their fatger's farms, and once they get married, they become sex slaves, give birth to all their children in their ovaries, and potentially worship their husbands...... Saudi Arabia should really review their laws concerning women, their hypocritical muftis are just there to give all sorts of fatwa as far as the monarchy pays them millions of dinar; imagine saying pictures are forbidden but their king's portrait is in their homes..... But it's nice meeting an intelligent Muslim like you, I really wish all Muslims relate the same way..... 28 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 10:13pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
@seun There is only one reason: to practice my religion without anyone calling me a terrorist 7 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Demmzy15(m): 1:06am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Lagusta:The only law restricting women in saudi arabia is driving, but the women are better off than many countries. Even than those in the West, in fact the women of Saudi are more educated than the men to the extent that many of them are lawyers, teachers, doctors etc. @underlined, it's better you keep silent of things you have no knowledge about because accusing a Muslim unjustly is a sin. If you truly know the meaning of hypocrisy, then I don't think you'll use the word anyhow. 8 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Demmzy15(m): 1:25am On Jun 30, 2016 |
oyb:As I said earlier in my last post, hope you aren't threading on the path of kharijiyyah? What you proclaim is exactly what jihadists like ISIS, Boko-are-rams, etc proclaim too, that there's no Islamic State in the world that's why they've created one in Iraaq and Syria after slaughtering Muslims. There's nowhere in the hadith which states that kingship is illegitimate, it might be harsh but the Prophet told us about harsh leaders and he warned us never to rebel against them. Allah’s Messenger (saw) said: “The Caliphate will remain in my nation for 30 years and then kingship after that”. Saheeh Sunan At-Tirmidhee no. 2226 Safeenah (ra), the narrator of the above narrations points out that the caliphates of Abu Bakr (ra), Umar (ra), Uthman (ra) and Ali (ra) add up to 30 years, thereby making them the rightly-guided khalifas. (Some scholars have also added the 6-month caliphate of Hasan (ra) as the reign of the above four only adds up to 29 years and 6 months). Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan(ra) said, "I am the first of the kings", from the risaalah of Abi Zayd al-Qayrawaanee (1/96) Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah commented: The kingship of Mu'aawiyah was one of mercy, and when Mu'aawiyah departed - may Allaah's mercy be upon him - and the leadership of Yazeed came, and there occured therein the tribulation of the killing of Husain in Iraq, and the fitnah of the people of Harrah in Madinah, and the siege of Makkah, when Abdullah bin Zubayr made his stand. Then Yazeed passed away and the Ummah split, Ibn az-Zubayr in the Hijaaz, Banu al-Hakam in Shaam, and al-Mukhtaar bin Abee Ubayd seizing power in Iraaq. All of this took place at the end of the period of the Companions, when there only remained the likes of Abdullah ibn 'Abaas, Abdullah ibn Umar, Jaabir ibn 'Abdullah, Abu Saeed al-Khudree and others. You can have good and bad Kings, but Kingship isn't something that unislamic as you try and portray, if you desperately need a caliphate, go join ISIS because they've created one for you! By the way, the government of Yemen is a democratically elected government not a kingship. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Demmzy15(m): 1:32am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Oga Seun, 1. I'll be forced to pay my Zakat which is meant for the poor, many Muslims are abandoning this even though it's a compulsory part of Islam. 2. My Salaah, in a country like saudi arabia, everything closes down once it's time for prayers. 3. Many ills of the society would at least be off, like clubs, casinos, brothels, etc. As a man you could be tempted at times 4. It's nice to be in an ideal Islamic society, even though they aren't perfect but at least I could achieve high level of spirituality. 30 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 2:39am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Demmzy15: i would prefer if you could provide actual empirical evidence of your claims about women. it is not enough to spout ignorantly about how saudi women are more educated than men. if you can make a bizarre claim that women in Saudi Arabia are better off then women in the west, you'd best back it up. there are a thousand and one sources i can provide that would show how repressed women are in Saudi Arabia, but you seem ike teh sort who would chalk it up to 'western propaganda'. so it would be better if you could provide concrete info. http://fortune.com/2015/08/10/women-saudi-arabia/ The number of women employed in Saudi Arabia has increased by 48% since 2010, according to the country’s Central Department of Statistics and Information and highlighted by Bloomberg. As I said earlier in my last post, hope you aren't threading on the path of kharijiyyah? What you proclaim is exactly what jihadists like ISIS, Boko-are-rams, etc proclaim too, that there's no Islamic State in the world that's why they've created one in Iraaq and Syria after slaughtering Muslims. if you bother to read, you would find that the subject of an islamic state is a frequently contested subject by Islamic Scholars. Isis, Boko Haram etal are simply using this to push their own agenda. it is the same way you have our northern governors pushing for Sharia that they fail to practise. your analogy is flawed, and your statements that I should go and join Isis are are the sort of things one expects from Donald Trump. learn to accept dissenting opinions without going off on a holier than thou tangent. if you are this sensitive, i wonder ow you would have made it through the 07s,08s and 09s of nairaland [ the years of nairaland's holy wars] Demmzy15: All you're saying here is that you are too weak/undisciplined to do the right thing without being forced. which sounds like a lot of Saudis who go buckwild once they are in the 'satanic' western nations. 51 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 2:52am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Lagusta: Guy, pls if you have no knowledge of something, dont talk for talking sake, you "heard" youve not confirmed, so why bringing it up as facts? You said MOST are sufis, do you even know the meaning of most? You don't just talk for talking sake, talk with knowledge Women don't drive, they don't go to school, they work only in their fatger's farms, and once they get married, they become sex slaves, give birth to all their children in their ovaries, and potentially worship their husbands...... Really?? They dont go to school, speaking without knowledge again. Saudi Arabia should really review their laws concerning women, their hypocritical muftis are just there to give all sorts of fatwa as far as the monarchy pays them millions of dinar; imagine saying pictures are forbidden but their king's portrait is in their homes..... Guy, you just "misyarning" anyhow, hope you know you might fall into slandering with these rubbish you saying? But it's nice meeting an intelligent Muslim like you, I really wish all Muslims relate the same way..... Whats intelligent about his post? That he didnt know that kingship is legitimate in islam, or what? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 4:46am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Looolz, you make me laugh!!! Just Google what some muftis pass as fatwa concerning women in Saudi Arabia, you would actually be amazed..... Do it yourself, I won't do it for you |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by quickly: 4:49am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Seun: Just ask the Syrians who would rather die by drowning than live with saudis. Islamists have Islamic country but yet all wanna go to england band France or ca NHada. See wats going on in turkey. 24 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 4:52am On Jun 30, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: My dear brother lexiconkabir...... The status of women in Pakistan is one of systemic gender subordination even though it varies considerably across classes, regions, and the rural/urban divide due to uneven socioeconomic development and the impact of tribal, feudal, and capitalist social formations on women's lives. The Pakistani women of today do, however, enjoy a better status than the past. This is from Wikipedia, who is saying facts now You know we once had a god discussion in the last thread oga Seun opened, don't mess it up by abusing me anyhow..... Now, go and find out yourself whether Saudi muftis are hypocritical or not...... |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 5:51am On Jun 30, 2016 |
You said MOST are sufis, do you even know the meaning of most? You don't just talk for talking sake, talk with knowledge The overwhelming majority (95 to 97%) of Pakistan's 190 million people are Muslim while the remaining 3–5% are Christian, Hindu, and other minorities. Sunnis form the majority at 80-85%, of which followers of Barelvi Islam make the vast majority, while the Shias make up between 5-20%. Islam in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Wikipedia app - Installed.... Now, who is a barelvi Muslim?? Barelvi (Urdu: بَریلوِی, Barēlwī, Urdu pronunciation: [bəreːlʋi]) is a term used for the movement following the Sunni Hanafi school of jurisprudence, originating in Bareilly with over 200 million followers in South Asia. The name derives from the north Indian town of Bareilly, the hometown of its founder and main leader Ahmed Raza Khan (1856–1921). Although Barelvi is the commonly used term in the media and academia, the followers of the movement often prefer to be known by the title of Ahle Sunnat wal Jama'at, (Urdu: اہل سنت والجماعت) or as Sunnis, a reference to their perception as forming an international majority movement. Well well well...... You know what, let me sleep, when I wake up in shaa Allah I would expose some of the baseless fatwas some of those so-called muftis issue out of greed..... 2 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by usermane(m): 7:06am On Jun 30, 2016 |
I am currently in United Arab Emirate so I believe am in a good position to answer the OP. Trust me on this, there is no such thing as Islamic country, all we have are Muslim dominated countries which in many areas are the antithesis of an Islamic country. I prefer to live under a secular democracy for innumerable reasons, mostly dealing with human rights. In the following lines I will list a handful of reasons why me and the vast majority of Muslim would not like to reside in Muslim counteries. Citizenship; Non-Muslims and Non-Arabs are not entitled for citizenship. Internet censorship; Sites deemed anti-Islamic are blocked and I don't mean Porn sites. Dating sites, Discussion forums and Heterodox Islamic websites that counters mainstream Muslim teachings and dogmas. Shariah Law: Apostates and blasphemers are imprisoned or killed, a thief may be amputated for stealing a bag of rice, gays and adulterers are stoned to death. Gender segregation: I understand the need to separate genders for some reasons and under certain circumstances, the aim should not be to break contact or communication between genders. But what we have in these countries is segregation, a deliberate and rigid effort to isolate males from females and eliminate contact to the barest. Violation of Muslim and non-Muslim right: Forcing Muslims to pay zakat, harassing those Muslims who conform to an alternate interpretation of Islam, denying Christians their right to build churches. 79 Likes 11 Shares |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 7:17am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Lagusta: You talking about saudi and you are bringing status of women in Pakistan, its irrational of you to blame saudi muftis for pakistani style of government. You have to point out where i abused you. |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Nobody: 7:20am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Lagusta: Nawa for you, you said most Muslims in the third world countries are sufis, and here you are bringing proof fron only Pakistan, does Pakistan make "most Muslims"? Hope you know Nigeria has more Muslims than Pakistan? 2 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Rilwon: 11:06am On Jun 30, 2016 |
oyb: 2 Likes |
Re: Would You Prefer To Live In An Islamic Country? by Lagusta(m): 11:56am On Jun 30, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Bro go and read my post again please, did I mention all those stuff because of Saudi or because of Pakistan.... Abeg please I'm busy with patients.... 1 Like 1 Share |
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