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Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by tonychristopher: 5:30pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
our people say if you do not have anything to say...just whitsle instead of making a public mockery of yourself...this is what your fable just made you...you made a mockery of yourself and 7 yr old boy cant believe that... now oduduwa scholes0: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by scholes0(m): 5:33pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
tonychristopher: Do you even know what a Belief is? A seven year old boy in Sweden or China does not believe the Adam and Eve story.... So what? Millions in Saudi Arabia and America do. Humans are people who always yearn for something beyond themselves (that is the basic humanly nature).... Again What is your people's take on the origin of life? .... that's right, NOTHING. You are trying too hard to sound smart. 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 6:04pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
scholes0: Here: https://www.nairaland.com/2404984/source-yoruba-benin-very-authentic#up |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by lawani: 7:03pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
tonychristopher: That is the site of Ife as of today. However, many other Ifes have risen and declined. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 8:00pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: It is bigoted people like you who for the sake of sarcasm are trying to change the narrative. Oduduwa never fell from the skies, Oduduwa came from heaven. Deal with it! |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 8:08pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
MrPresident1: I hope you do realize that 'heaven' is a christian concept and not a yoruba traditional religious concept and that back in the time when the oduduwa fable was constructed, the ancient ancestors were not yet exposed to Christianity to learn about 'heaven' but believed in a 'sky' or 'above' etc.? Have you realized how you are unconsciously injecting a christian concept into the oduduwa fable that is supposed to be African traditional religious belief? Do you realize that you have unconsciously modified the story one step further just as it has continuously been done generation after generation? |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 8:19pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: You cannot crack the codes without an adequate knowledge of history and culture and religion, they are related. First free yourself of bigotry, then you will begin to see more clearly. 'Heaven' has many shades of meaning including 'sky' and 'above', it is when use is viewed in context that the circumstance of use can be unraveled. Apart from saying he came from 'Heaven', Oduduwa also said he came from the 'East'. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 8:48pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
MrPresident1: So anyone who has questions or doubts about a theory is bigoted? Is that how you reason? Second, you barely answered any of my questions but are blindly defending a folklore as some established fact while forgetting its very basic start - folklore, passed down by word of mouth from generation to generation and by due of that very fact subject to modification along the line. Next, you are clearly defending yourself needlessly for injecting a christian concept into an ATR belief. Or maybe you have failed to realize that the concept of 'heaven' is different from 'sky' as both words mean totally different things. Now, what you have done was substitute 'sky' or whatever that was in the original version with 'heaven', and the folklore modification continues. However, the Ife folklore leaves so much to be desired. First, Ife barely came into existence 1000 years ago - the first human civilization was in existence 3000 years earlier. Ife folklore cannot claim to give birth to the entire race when civilizations had long existed before it. Moreover, there is barely any physical proof of this other than mere word of mouth. Nothing was left in writing to prove the original existence of ancient Yoruba. and second, science has proven that no physical person is able to fall from anywhere, especially not from the sky. Oduduwa must have wandered into ancient Yoruba territory from nearby bringing with him knowledge and wisdom, and the natives presuming him to be sent from the sky, and probably giving birth to the 'fell from the sky' myth. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 9:12pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I intended to checkmate your sarcasm that is why I asked you to free yourself of bigotry. Folklores get modified as they move from mouth to mouth, but the message almost always remains the same. Oduduwa fell from heaven, Oduduwa fell from the skies, Oduduwa came from heaven, are all variations of the same story, the bottom line being there was a coming, and this coming was from above. Heaven as used in the Bible represents enjoyment, or rulership, or the seat of God. Oduduwa came from heaven, and looking at the last line of your argument (bolded), heaven represents wisdom and knowledge, therefore Oduduwa came from a thriving culture of knowledge or civilisation that bested what he met among the aboriginals of his place of sojourn. Science proves that no man can fall from the skies yet in Igbo culture the tortoise can talk? Oduduwa met people at Ile-ife, but the Yoruba believe that civilisation started at Ile-Ife. This is akin to the story of Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth, they were the first people to have the knowledge of God, therefore the garden of Eden (or Ile-Ife as with Oduduwa) is where civilisation spread to the world. You will be very surprised to know that the Yoruba is the prototype of the Bride of Christ. And as I told you earlier, truth is written in arcane language to deter the unworthy. 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 9:59pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
MrPresident1: What I see is you weaving more and more of christian tenets into Ife folklore, modifying the story as time goes on, reducing its credence the more. When you mention civilization, be sure to refer to civilization of the Yoruba ethnic group. In other words, Oduduwa brought civilization to the Yoruba ethnic group. Civilization had already been in existence in the world before then. The Egyptian civilization had come and gone, so had the Roman civilization. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by MrPresident1: 10:21pm On Jun 26, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I am not weaving anything, I am trying to make you see the connection, if you are willing you will see it. If you are not willing there is nothing I can do. Oduduwa met people in Ile-Ife. Yoruba is made up of Oduduwa and Aboriginals. That is the prototype of the Church, the Bride of Christ, no Jew nor Gentile. Of course you do not have access to my source of knowledge even though this source is available to the world. I am able to understand the deeper meanings of the Bible, I am not sure you are. Oduduwa came from the East, Oduduwa came from Heaven, Oduduwa was a poor blind woman, are all codes for God's woman: ISRAEL |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 1:59pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Rants of an ignorant fellow. Did you not see where the man said the old Ife was at another location and this one is only a successor? OH and Ife is not 12 century. .it had 90kings before Oduduwa 1 Like |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by macof(m): 2:05pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
scholes0:The guy is Igbo not Edo |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 3:20pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Afam4eva:yes zeal in my mum cousin, he is from ugbodu. And not dat olukumi people speak Igbo it just like when ondo speak there dialect and speak Yoruba as general language that is why olukumi speaks Igbo mostly, I can speak olukumi well but can't speak Igbo but I hear igbo |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by scholes0(m): 6:06pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Fisfrank: Say something in Olukumi, so that we can see what the language looks like. or translate the following words. Man Woman Eyes Hands Head Run Jump Eat Sleep Thank you bro. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 10:56pm On Jun 28, 2016 |
Fisfrank: Nice to meet you, an Ugbodu-related indigene, on here. Hopefully, you would be able to tell us more about the place. Which people (the old, the young, the middle-aged etc.) of Ugbodu mostly speak the language fluently? In percentage, what percentage would you say are fluent speakers? I watched a couple of traditional videos of the Ugbodu people on YouTube and I noticed that it was mostly the elderly ones that were fluent in it, and the younger generation rendered all their traditional dances in Igbo. I noticed that the elderly ones spoke Olukumi with a strong Igbo accent and I could pick out Igbo words here and there. I also noticed that the language being spoken everywhere in the background by the people was Igbo and barely Olukumi, thus kinda going against the general perception in the media about Ugbodu being 'Olukwumi' speaking as 'major' language, when its actual status is more of an extra or acquired language some of the people, the elderly ones especially, speak occasionally. Maybe you will be able to share more light on this. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Igbiboi: 8:46pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
bigfrancis21: My brother, abeg can you help me with a transcript evaluation you know that doesn't slash GPA too much. I know WES is good but I am running short on time. I need an evaluation that will be quick and at the same time will have almost the same evaluation like WES. DO you know about IERF, or AACRAO,? |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 9:50pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
scholes0: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by AjaanaOka(m): 9:59pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Fisfrank : I thought this would be 'ozu', consistent with the sound shift from Mainstream Yoruba 'J' to Olukumi 'Z'. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 10:09pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
bigfrancis21:. Ok bro my mum is from ugbodu why my dad is from nkwu-nzu my mum is from the ogoza quater, in ugbodu ogoza and idumu please speak fluent olukumi why the others ekwesi speak Igbo and some place too, , my olukumi name is arobumupke.........in nkwu-nzu the people that speaks olukumi mostly are the people from odo village, my dad said the odo people don't become king but the crown kings, and my grand pa from ugbodu said it ones that we originated from Yoruba land. That all have been able to find out until I come across these threads when I searched on Google. Thanks lastly also no that Rose Odika that act Yoruba movie is from ogoza, she is my grandpa younger sister daughter. There is one lady called Tina she acted in glamour girls in does days she is from nkwu-nzu, another name for nkwu-nzu is eko, the first miss Nigeria that claimed she is from Asaba, was from ugbodu too. She was shy to name her place but she was buried in ugbodu, Edie remedy of remedies is from nkwu-uzu. So I think I have giving you proof. 3 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 10:15pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Yes ozu thanks I'm not that good in writing my language AjaanaOka: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 10:17pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Yes u r right it ozu I'm not dat good in writing but I can speak AjaanaOka: |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by scholes0(m): 11:26pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
Fisfrank: Holly molly!.. ![]() This is simply Yoruba with a few peculiarities, like some vowel and consonant shifts like J to Z KU to KW etc. Quite interesting indeed. So are Ugbodu and Ukwu Nzu the only Olukumi speaking villages? According to Anioma History there is a clan called the Odiani who are completely descended from Yorubas. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by AjaanaOka(m): 11:38pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
scholes0: Olukumi-speaking/Olukumi-descended villages = Odiani Clan. Its the same people. 2 Likes |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by scholes0(m): 11:41pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
From what I gather. 7 Villages namely Ukwu Nzu Idumu Ogo Oburukpa Uburubu Orogbuda Ugbodu Ugboba and Adogo (In the Ishan Division, Edo state) Are the original Olukumi villages. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by AjaanaOka(m): 11:53pm On Jun 29, 2016 |
I will defer to Fisfrank on this one. I always thought there were six Olukumi (Odiani) communities: Ukwunzu, Idumuogo, Anioma (yea, there's a community in Anioma called Anioma), Ugbodu, Ubulubu and Ugboba. Oburukpa and Orogbuda, I'm hearing about for the very first time. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 1:01am On Jun 30, 2016 |
Fisfrank: Thanks so much for this first-hand narrative. Do your two parents speak Igbo? Which language do they communicate in mostly? Did your parents give you any Igbo name? |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by bigfrancis21: 1:14am On Jun 30, 2016 |
scholes0: There are actually 6 Odiani villages: Ugbodu, Ukwu-Nzu, Ubulubu, Ugboba, Ogodor and Idumuogo. In summary, the Olukwumi people in Delta state are also known as Odiani people or Ndi Odiani. The origin of the name is still uncertain but my best guess would be from 'oduani' probably corrupted to 'odiani' (meaning tail end of the land) or from Odiani (meaning located at the bottom) as a result of its strategic location in the Anioma area at the fringes or extreme end of Anioma, and bordering neighbouring tribes such as Eshan. As a matter of fact, once you begin to cross the Ohe stream in Ugbodu and get to the other end of it, you are no longer in Anioma land but in Eshan land. The Odiani people, who all originally spoke Olukwumi, are today spread out into 6 villages: Ugbodu, Ukwu Nzu, Ubulubu, Ogodor, Ugboba and Idumuogo. The Olukwumi people have undergone extensive acculturation since decades of their arrival and today, traces of the Olukumi language can be found in mainly 3 of the 6 Odiani villages: Ukwunzu, Ubulubu and Ugbodu. These 3 villages are regarded as the main Olukwumi speaking areas, with the purer form of Olukwumi being spoken in Ugbodu, and another dialect of it heavily influenced by Igbo language spoken in Ubulubu and Ukwunzu. It may not come surprising that the purer or least Igbo-diluted form of Olukwumi is spoken in Ugbodu today, most likely due to its location on the extreme flank of the Anioma area compared to other Odiani villages and its extreme distance from the Anioma heartland/Nri ensured that it experienced the least acculturation compared to other villages. The other 3 Odiani villages, Ugboba, Idumuogo and Ogodo are mainly Igbo speaking today, and the displacement of Olukwumi in those villages attributed to the influx of different other peoples from east of the Niger, Ezechime areas, Eshan land etc. into the villages. Asides language, the Olukwumi people are identical to other Anioma Igbo people in customs and traditions. The 3 Olukwumi-speaking villages are fluently bilingual in Olukwumi and Igbo languages. According to the Obi of Ugbodu, everyone speaks Igbo in the village. However, it is noticed that Olukwumi is mostly spoken by the elderly ones of the village and the younger ones have been largely acculturated into the greater Anioma Igbo culture and language. |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 9:20am On Jun 30, 2016 |
[quote author=scholes0 post=47054460] Holly molly!.. ![]() This is simply Yoruba with a few peculiarities, like some vowel and consonant shifts like J to Z KU to KW etc. Quite interesting indeed. So are Ugbodu and Ukwu Nzu the only Olukumi speaking villages? According to Anioma History there is a clan called the Odiani who are completely descended from Yorubas.[/quote im not the traveling type I stated going to the village my self around 2008, so that is the ones I only know. Yes there is even odiani mixed school in nkwu-nzu that where my mum and dad attend |
Re: Facts About The Yoruba Enclave In The Heart Of Aniocha In Delta State by Fisfrank(m): 3:21pm On Jul 02, 2016 |
scholes0:odiani covers all of them |
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