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Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Rilwon: 11:46am On Jul 04, 2016 |
annunaki2: Wetin? |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by annunaki2(m): 11:51am On Jul 04, 2016 |
^^^ It really beats my imagination how muslims come and tell glaringly obvious lies that they can't defend in their bid to make islam look decent. Whose report do we believe about islam? Lexiconkabir or the sahih hadiths and quoran 1 Like |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 11:52am On Jul 04, 2016 |
truthman2012: No, this is what I don't like. The thread is solely for me, kabiru, and his Muslim counterpart. Don't come and disturb us with your bigotry, when actually bullshit like this are very well in your Bible. You can do well going to other thread opened by atheist and refute their argument or simply sit down here and look while I throw my question Kabir, like I said earlier, please don't pay attention to people like this |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by annunaki2(m): 11:52am On Jul 04, 2016 |
Rilwon: Your friend needs epp. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Demmzy15(m): 1:26pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
annunaki2:Did he tell you that? The guy was a Christian before he apostazied on this forum, instead of you to be ashamed you're opening your brown teeth! 7 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Demmzy15(m): 1:29pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77:Stop all this, bring whatever you have. This is low self-esteem, you've not discussed anything meaningful and you're already portraying yourself as a "victor". Lemme ask you, are you an atheist? 1 Like |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 3:38pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Demmzy15: I think I play too much. Alright, I have stopped. I'm getting serious right away. But then I asked a question which you haven't answered, you can scroll up and answer it. I am not an atheist. 1 Like |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by jcross19: 3:38pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Demmzy15:what's the shame there now? That show how tolerance christianity is !!!! He dare it not in islamic world in which you know quite alright. 2 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 3:40pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Christians will liken you to be an unbeliever that to be a Muslim. Same thing with Muslims. Don't pay him an attentio, this thread was not meant for that |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Oladim001(m): 4:03pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77:Oh come on. Its neither Muhammad nor Angel Gabriel's word. Its Allah SWT word sent to prophet Muhammad(SAW) through angel Gabriel to guide the whole world. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Oladim001(m): 4:10pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Amberon:Typical of guys like you to just barge in and talk without bringing your proof. Rubbish. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Oladim001(m): 4:21pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Macelliot:You are kidding right. God knows what your business is, if he decides to comment on this section or not. And i love your english.(You argues a lot), looks like its been a long long time you went to school last. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by truthman2012(m): 6:34pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: You are either deceiving yourself or deceiving the muslims, one is sure. I gave you what you need if truly you are seeking the truth but see what trash you are spewing out. You claim you want to know if truly there is no COMPULSION in islam and I gave you what muslims will hide from you. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by jcross19: 8:36pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
truthman2012:is thinking with his anus!!!. You get it bro. Is either is deceiving himself or is deceiving the muslims . If he likes let him become suicide bomber, mujahedeen, atheist, satanist or budhist that's his life. Okay do whatever he likes. 5 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 8:59pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
truthman2012: I said I will come back to it, we cannot possibly waste a whole 2days on a question when I have lots of questions in my mind. Maybe I wouldn't have become what I became today had it been you are this swift at responding to atheist criticism of the Bible. Please sit down and watch. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 9:01pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
jcross19: You are obviously pained, you wouldn't have come out to say this rubbish had it been you were not. Carry your pained ass comot my thread. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 9:01pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: I'm not here for baseless debates, as thats not my style I will not repeat a reply on an issue that has been trashed in the past, so be ready ti see more links, cuz you probably will bring up old issues. In other not to waste much time on this particular question, for we will certainly come bavk to it. lets take another one. If you are not cleared still bring up the things that are ambiguous to you. Can you please address my second question about the quran? We have cases where Allah quotes people of the past, where he asked Muhammad to say, where He asked Jibril to say, where he tells us what the angels said sometime ago, and so on......but these doesnt mean they are the words of Jibril or Muhammad, because Allah taught them and commanded them on what to say. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by jcross19: 9:10pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77:pained? Why? Ahahahhahahah I laugh in arabic voice!!!!!!!. You are the one that show the sign of pain and frustration. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 9:16pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Oladim001: Then who was speaking here? Allah? What, shall I seek after any judge but God? For it is He who sent down to you the Book well-distinguished; and those whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from thy Lord with the truth; so be not thou of the doubters. S. 6:114 |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 9:20pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: What, is every man of them eager to be admitted to a Garden of Bliss? Not so; for We have created them of what they know. No! I swear by the Lord of the Easts and Wests, surely We are able to substitute a better than they; We shall not be outstripped. S. 70:38-41. Allah swears by the Lord of the easts and wests, says that he will seek no other judge besides God and that he gave the book that Muhammad’s Lord sent down! Who was doing the talking here? If it was allah? Who was he swearing to? And who are those that constitutes that 'WE'? |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 9:25pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Who did Allah hymn praises to? Lo! verily, ye and that which ye worship, Ye cannot excite (anyone) against Him. Save him who is to burn in hell. There is not one of US but hath his known position. Lo! We, even We are they who set the ranks, Lo! WE, even WE are they who hymn His praise S. 37:161-166 Pickthall Allah is supposed to speaking here as he shifts from first person plural to third person singular pronouns. But this is where the confusion sets in. He knows his position, sets the ranks, and is the one who hymns the praises of God! Who tells Allah what his position is and to whom is singing? Lexiconkabir |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Oladim001(m): 9:35pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77:If you are conversant with the arabic text of the Qur'an, you would see the stop mark after 'mifassala'. This means that in the beginning of the verse, Allah tells the Prophet to say. So after the stop mark. Allah continues what He was saying. This means that Allah instructed the Prophet to ask the kaafirun the first question. Then after the stop mark, Allah continues. In essence the 'I' is Muhammad PBUH. The God is Allah. The 'HE' is Allah. The 'We' also refers to Allah. The 'thy Lord is Allah, also. 2 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by truthman2012(m): 9:43pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: You have become what you become because you are seeking for the letters and not the Spirit of the Bible. The Bible says letter killeth but the Spirit gives life (2 Cor.3:6). The same Bible atheists read is what many , whose hearts seek God in spirit and truth read and become children of God. There are numerous testimonies of even muslims who read the Bible and became born again. If the Bible is what you read and become an atheist, it shows you are not a child of salvation but if God will have mercy on you, you will retrace your steps. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 9:57pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: Allah refers to himself, he swore by himself since nothing is above him, the Arabs do take swearing very serious, so to make the issue serious he swore by himself. Who was doing the talking here? If it was allah? Who was he swearing to? And who are those that constitutes that 'WE'? Its called Royal WE, this style exist in many languages, even in Yoruba, in my language (Yoruba) normally if i say "emi" it means me, if i am trying to give myself some respect i will say "awa" meaning "we" this is why when i talk to my mate i will say "iwo" meaning "you" in the singular form, but if i want to refer to an elder i will say "eyin" which on a normal day should be used for a group of people, but I'm using it for just 1 elderly person, just to mark respect. Hope you undetstood this? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 10:05pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
truthman2012: Save this for another day. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 10:07pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: The angels were the ones speaking here not Allah, Allah is quoting them. 2 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Obadiah77(m): 10:18pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Oladim001: ... and those whom We have given the Book know it is sent down from thy Lord with the truth; so be not thou of the doubters. S. 6:114 The 'we' cannot possibly be referring to Allah because he is one, unless you want to deny this. And then please don't bring the royal "we" argument because I can't seem to find it in the Islamic theology. |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 10:22pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Obadiah77: This has been answered, islamic theology you said? You don't know something as basic as tawheed and here you are talking about Islamic theology, you see why you need to study Arabic? |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Demmzy15(m): 10:26pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Please show him Mohsin Khan translation, I'm a little busy! |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Rilwon: 5:32am On Jul 05, 2016 |
annunaki2: Where did he say that? |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 5:49am On Jul 05, 2016 |
Rilwon: He thinks I'm a coward like him. 2 Likes |
Re: Win A Soul For Allah: Lexiconkabi And Other Muslims, Please Enter by Nobody: 6:15am On Jul 05, 2016 |
On the issue of Allah refering to himself as we, although i have already replied that, but i want to go further so i wont come back to this in the future, Insha Allah, here are some books of islamic scholars, who arent apologists, before you say they are apologists "it is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue." (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143). This book was written by Hisham Rauf Here is even a 13th century scholar shaykh ibn Taymiyyah, “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.” (Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75). And Allah knows best. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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