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| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by shialagos2: 11:11pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Ibn Taymiyyah : The Founder of ISIS December 9, 2015  Ibn Taymiyyah is one of the most quoted personalities of ISIS, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram. In this article we will learn about him, his ideas and why so many Muslims of the salafi sect go on to join terrorist groups or commit homeland attacks. Which Groups Take Inspiration and Guidance from Ibn Taymiyyah’s Works? Boko Haram founder Mohammed Yusuf is reported in the Financial Times article to have based his teachings on the works of Ibn Taymiyya, after whom he named his mosque in Maiduguri, Markaz Ibn Taymiyyah ( Translates to the Ibn Taymiyyah Centre). Mohammed Yusuf was killed in 2009 by a police raid. ISIS distribute a magazine in English which frequently references Ibn Taymiyyah.  Al Qaeda former leader, Osama Bin Laden famously quoted Ibn Taymiyyah’s Fatwa of Madin as justification for civilian and Muslim casualties in his terror attacks.  Dabiq Issue 6 page 40: Al Qaeda member reports how he studied Ibn Taymiyyah’s books. Who is Ibn Taymiyyah? Aḥmad ibn Taymiyyah (Arabic: تقي الدين أحمد ابن تيمية) known as Ibn Taymiyyah (22 January 1263 – 26 September 1328) was an Islamic scholar, theologian and logician. He lived during the troubled times of the Mongol invasions, much of the time in Damascus. He was a member of the school founded by Ahmad ibn Hanbal and is considered by his followers, along with Ibn Qudamah, as one of the two most significant proponents of Hanbalism. In the modern era, his adherents often refer to the two as “the two sheikhs” and Ibn Taymiyyah in particular as “Sheikh ul-Islam”. Ibn Taymiyyah sought the return of Sunni Islam to what he viewed as earlier interpretations of the Qur’an and the Sunnah, and is considered to have had considerable influence in contemporary Wahhabism, Salafism, and Jihadism. He is renowned for his fatwa issued against the Mongol rulers declaring jihad by Muslims against them compulsory, on the grounds that they did not follow Sharia and as such were not Muslim, their claims to have converted to Islam notwithstanding. His teachings had a profound influence on Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, and other later Wahabi scholars. The main issues Ibn Taymiyyah is famous for are as follows: Belief in God in Human form (anthropomorphism) eg Allah has a Hand, and moves like this etc. He was sent to prison for this several times. Belief that there is no intercession at all. Belief that if someone does not accept his exact version of Islam, they should be fought and killed. Belief in Qiyas or inductive reasoning. Ibn Taymiyyah is particularly useful for groups like ISIS as he provides them with a (false) religious backing that justifies their actions. Dabiq is a magazine published by ISIS for the English speaking world, it includes their ideas, news reports and propaganda for their cause. One of the religious personalities that ISIS quote regularly is Ibn Taymiyyah, they even call him the “Sheikh of Islam”, which translates to the leader or founder of Islam. This is high praise indeed.  From Dabiq Issue 2 page 23 Ibn Taymiyyah’s best student, Ibn Qayyim is also a favorite of ISIS, referred to as “Ibnul-Qayyim” he is frequently quoted and used as a religious source of religious authority.  Dabiq Issue 4 page 15 Selected Quotes from Ibn Taymiyyah et al in ISIS Magazine : Dabiq It is not possible to include every quote from Ibn Taymiyyah, Abdul Wahab or Ibn Qayyim, there are simply too many, so I have selected the more interesting and controversial ones to give a glimpse into the mind of the ideology which fuels ISIS and the other terror groups.  Dabiq Issue 7 page 59 The above quote is discussing the situation of those non-Muslims who are protected in an Islamic area, they are to be killed if they “curse” Islam, however in reality the “cursing” could just take the form of a mild mannered joke, such as when the 14 year old tea boy would not give free tea to ISIS fighters he mentioned he would not even give the Prophet SAW free tea, he was immediately executed.  Dabiq Issue 6 page 11 Here Abdul Wahab was trying to lay down the religious justification for fighting the Ottoman Muslims, paving the way for the puppet leaders of the Arab world, many of which are still going. Yasir Qadhi has summarised the situation very well in his video lecture of the History of the Middle East.  Dabiq Issue 5 page 26  Dabiq Issue 8 page 45 This is the crux of the issue. This is the dirty secret that the vast majority of the innocent masses that attend Salafi institutions around the world are not told. Ibn Taymiyyah says that if someone becomes a Muslim, and acts like a Muslim, but there are some issues that they disagree with Ibn Taymiyyah’s views on Islam, then that person should be executed immediately. This is the justification for the deaths of so many Muslims by the hands of ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Boko Haram, the Muslims that died were not “real” Muslims as they didnt have the exact same view of Islam as they did. For the Non-Muslims there is just no chance, they are to be executed, as was seen above, Jihad and the spreading of the religion is continuous and they feel must never end and continue to be spread by the sword.  Dabiq Issue 8 page 46  Dabiq Issue 8 page 46  Dabiq Issue 8 page 52 So those that do not agree in the very narrow view of Islam as defined by Ibn Taymiyyah are either apostates (murtad) and to be executed, or they come under the category of hypocrites (munafiq) if there difference is more subtle. The punishment is the same, execution.  Ibn Taymiyyah Ruling on the Druze from Dabiq Issue 10 page 9 If you are unfortunate enough to have a very different world view to Ibn Taymiyyah then your fate is even worse. Ibn Taymiyyah and his like have no concept of pluralistic views, there is also no chance to even “repent”, as Ibn Taymiyyah views even the repentance as unacceptable.  Ibn Taymiyyah encourages Jihad against his opponents by labelling them “apostates”. ISIS do the same, from Dabiq Issue 10 page 10  Dabiq Issue 10 page 56  Dabiq Issue 10 page 57  Dabiq Issue 10 page 63 This is just a snap shot of the impact Ibn Taymiyyah has had on the terrorist groups of the world, and due to this impact, Egypt, France, Jordan, Tajikistan, Algeria have either banned or considering to ban all works from the Salafi sect. Source: http://islam.hilmi.eu/ibn-taymiyyah-the-founder-of-isis/ 1 Like |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by BetaThings: 11:25pm On Jul 04, 2016 |
Rilwayne001: Who is Jabata? He cannot be regarded by any stretch of imagination as a true representative of the Ahlu Sunnah He has declared (amongst others) Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani (may Allah have mercy on him) an apostate Doing Salatul dhuha everyday is bid'ah according to Jabata He has pronounced takfir on a many members of his family He claims to have studied in Azhar Egypt Yet Shias bring a misguided opinion from the 50s from a scholar from the same Azhar that the Shia school of shirk should be a madhab (5th) So is Jabata the true representative of that school? If you are on ground, you would have listened to tapes of Jabata debating true Salafis All the major salfists in Nigeria disown him and they warn people against his extremism I recall that Jabata said it was an insult for a lawyer to participate in the debate as according to him a lawyer cannot have the right aqeedah My brother Rilwan, if you want to learn, go to people who are moderate in their views The Qur'an says we are a people justly balanced Qur'an 2: 143 The twelver shias are extremists and they are encouraged to drown sunnis in the sea and push walls down on sunnis if they can get away with it You cannot learn true aqeedah from such people You cannot learn the truth about Islam or say PDP from Christian or say APC The Twelvers grow in places that are ignorant In places where people are well informed, their misguidance is clear BTW the author of the Al Kafi, the major Shia hadith book he quoted, Kulayni, even believe that the Qur'an has been tampered with (they call it tahreef) I pray that you never suffer the misfortune of joining the people who imply that the Prophet (SAW) was such a poor leader that 99% of his follower abandoned his path immediately after his death Every religious leader was blessed with followers the overwhelmingly majority of whom were faithful after their death (CF Musa (AS) and Isa (AS)) However the twelver Shias paint an opposite picture (a story misfortune really ) of the Prophet (SAW), his own followers were overwhelmingly turncoats Finally do the Shias abhor violence? No. They pretend they like peace while Sunnis are hauled into prison or executed steadily And what is the major assignment of the last Shia Imam (the one they call Hujjat)? Below are from the Shia "Book of Occultation" (occultation is the the explanation given for the disappearance of the twelver Imam whose existence is doubted by many people Ali has acted with leniency and was forgiving because he has known that his Shia are going to be controlled after him. But al-Qa'im (as), when appears, will kill and capture because he knows that his Shia will not be defeated after him forever 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by shialagos2: 12:21am On Jul 05, 2016 |
BetaThings: please bring examples of Shia DROWNING Sunnis in the sea and PUSHING WALLS on Sunnis. mention, where they are encouraged to, and who has encouraged them to. as far as Shia scholars are concerned, this is the legal opinion (fatwa) of Ayatollah Sistani arguably the most learned and experienced Shia scholar about Sunnis: "Do not consider Sunnis as your brothers, but as your souls"
well, it does not look like where you come from people are well informed as per your own standard of ignorance. since preaching activities started in the 80s, from zero Shia, estimates puts the number of Shia in Nigeria, and concentrated in the north, anything between a minimum of five million to a maximum of 25 million (the claim of 25 million was issued by a Salafist tv channel crying over the spread of Shia Islam in Africa). the converts include professors and lecturers and graduates in both Ahmadu Bello University in Zaria, and Bayero University in Kano.
you are either misleading ignorant folks, or you are lying. either case is bad. Al-Kulayni has a disclaimer to his book, Usul al-Kafi: "'Test the various reports by the Book of God; whatever agrees with it take it,whatever disagrees with it reject it."'Take what is agreed upon (by scholars). Certainly the universally accepted should not be doubted.'" The above is found in al-Kafi by al-Kulayni.al-Kulayni was a Shia hadith recorder/compiler (just like Bukhari and Muslim for Sunnis),and he considers the Quran (as per the saying of Imam Sadeq) to be the yardstick for separating truth from falsehood. in Sihah al-Sittah of the Sunnis, traditions on Tahreef of the Quran, even narrated by Aisha, abound. not to go into details, you can take a look at the examples given in the below link: http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/creed-of-shia-explained/tahreef-of-quran.html does this mean we as Shia would accuse Sunnis collectively as believing in Tahreef because classcial Sunni scholars of past recorded hadiths supposedly "sahih" ones in their hadith collections? we do not.
the Quran is evidence that the companions of Musa (as), but even his own people, apostasized en masse and started worshiping the golden calf. their apostasy was not rebelling on his orders but outright shirk against Allah (swt). does that make Musa (as) of any less a position as a prophet? No! we have not made any false claim on the sahabah. the ones who did what they did are judged by the history books. and even amongst the sahaba there was opposition and struggle, sometimes violent. among the companions are figures Sunnis discredit and/or abhor (Hujr Ibn Adi, Mukhtar al-Thaqafi). the Shia stance on the Sahaba can be understood in three steps. the pure members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) are the yardstick to judge: 1.) those sahabah who stood by and supported and loved the Ahlul-Bayt (as), we love, respect and honor them. 2.) those sahabah who were silent or indifferent towards the Ahlul-Bayt (as), we too are indifferent towards them. 3.) those sahabah who opposed the Ahlul-Bayt (as), oppressed and fought them, we abhor them with passion and consider them apostates.
what is the assignment of the Mahdi in Sunni theology? to spread roses? or dont you have "Sahih hadith" where it is narrated that even the stones and the trees would talk and tell the Mahdi that a "Jew is hiding and he should come and kill him"? our major belief on the Mahdi or the 12th Imam (aj) is this: "he will fill the earth with justice and equity the way it was filled with injustice and tyranny". this is the stance in many dua we recite for Allah to hasten his return. we are of the belief he will resort to armed struggle. but like the Prophet (s), and as the Quran stipulates, he will not be the first to carry arms or to start war or to attack. Jihad is defensive to protect the lives and property of innocent Muslims who are oppressed. other than that, nothing is jihad but terrorism. even when oppressed, taking up arms is the very last resort. this is our faith, our principles and how we act and how we are taught. at least, the Mahdi, whether you as a Sunni bellieve he hasnt yet been born, or as a Shia that he has already being born but in concealment, is sent by Allah. so whatever he will do will be in line with divine command. at least, wait for him. but your people go about blowing up everyone, even innocent civilians who have not picked up arms to fight. it is haram to kill non-combatants in Islam, even if they be infidels. |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by Demmzy15(m): 1:51am On Jul 06, 2016 |
ShiaMuslim: Lol, if I could remember clearly, you were the same person that said Wikipedia is kind of reliable and that all sources have been provided. ShiaMuslim:Remember?! ^^^ even at that, you are giving us half story. You then presented the quotes as if it supports your stance, it doesn't! this is from wikipedia: Excuse me, how does this support you? They're persecuted because they're turning back to Ahl Sunnah, what is new here? Sorry, i ignored the other part because it's rubbish. Bringing up Mu'awiyah(ra), something which has no correlation with what we're discussing. check out the below quote you left out from the so called "ahwaz human rights groups" : I don't get your point, you're actually making my points strong by bring up this quotes. Take a look at the underlined, it doesn't support you at all. The Ahwaz are persecuted because they're turning to Ahl Sunnah, shikena! if you and your likes so care about Shia Arabs, why are the iraqi Shia being killed? just yesterday suicide bombers killed over a 100 in baghdad. why not continue your quest to convert Shia Arabs to Sunnism? I didn't kill or support the killing of Iraaqi Shias. I've never for once supported their killing, Allaah is my witness. So you have no right to put any blame on me, you're not making any sense! being a r a p i s t is one thing. and being an alqaeda member who kills foreigners in saudi and threatening the rule of al saudi is a different case. i do not think i defended alqaeda wahhabi terrorists anywhere. them and the al saud are two faces of the same coin. when you talk about fear of God it is worthy you do not put words in the mouth of others. I didn't put any words in your mouth, it's what you wrote down. You said: those you call "Sunnis" were not killed in Saudi because they are Sunni or out of sectarian persecution. they were killed because they threatened the rule of Al Saud royal family. Nimr al-Nimr was killed by saudi because of these speeches rejecting sectarian persecution and oppression: So the Sunni rapist and Al Qaeda members are heroes according to your assertion! Nothing concerns Mu'awiyah(ra) and Ummul Mu'mineen(ra)! no one is forcing you to pray behind anyone. a mosque in a Shia majority district is administered by a Shia cleric, and the one in a Sunni majority district is administered by a Sunni cleric. if you do not want to pray behind a Shia imam, after the main congregation, 5-10 minutes afterwards, form your group and lead your own prayer. who is going to stop you from praying? your problem is not praying. What are you pouring out of your mouth, a Shia can't pray fully well in a Sunni mosque. Lemme post a fatwa of sistani: Question: I am 19 years old and a convert to Islam of five months. My question is, being a practitioner of Twelver Jaf'ari Islam is it permissible for me to pray behind a Sunni Imam for Salaatul-Jummah and for regular congregational prayers, and is it required to prostrate on Turbah inside a mosque? Answer: Taking part in Friday and congregational prayers of the Ahl-e Sunnat is permissible in areas where Taqiyah (dissimulation) is required. If you are not going to face a problem, you should, as far as possible, prostrate on a stone or anything upon which Sajda (prostration) is permissible. Prostration on carpets in the case of Taqiyah or out of necessity is permissible and there would be no objection in it. But if you are not offering your prayers with them out of Taqiyah it is not necessary to attend their congregational prayers and you can offer your prayers separately. Is this the unity you preach? Sunnis and Shias pray in a different way, why not just provide a mosque so as there won't be confusion and anarchy? your problem is not praying. your problem as agents of shaitan who spread terrorism and hatred is domination. and Iran is clipping the wing of that arabian inspired jahiliyyah Sunni Wahhabi fanaticism. and it hurts you so much. terrorism is not the way. no matter what, stop murdering innocent people. What is the meaning of this nonsense? You called me an "agent of shiatan", what have I done to deserve that label? You're the one who's supporting the killing of innocent Sunnis in Bahrain, i've never supported the killing of Shias anywhere in the world, I say this again, Allaah is my witness. Don't allow emotions to cloud your reasoning, because you sound silly! there is a documentary on youtube of an egyptian journalist who is sunni toruing sunni communities in iran. and his story is not one of persecution. when you pay rogue elements, you can find such stories. shias of saudi are shot during ashura procession. sunnis of iran are not shot at during bid'ah taraweeh prayers, are they? They have their prayer halls closed down on numerous occasions, at times they're not allowed to hold Eid prayers. If the same is done to Shias, they'll be crying blood, their propaganda news channel no go allow us rest! Many of the preachers are arrested on a daily basis, some tortured and killed, others are jailed. Admit it Sunni Iranians are persecuted in the Republic! can you still explain why only 3% representation in the shura council? is that fair or proportional representation? It's a Kingdom not a Republic, hope you know the difference between both systems of government? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html Mr. Man, I claimed that King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud protected Shias and in fact told Shias to drive out preachers from their neighborhood. You then said: my dear uncle, who left arabia all the way to iraq to ransack the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala, and in the process destroy the tomb of Imam Ali (as), and the tomb of the Prophet's grandson Imam Hussein (as)? And I said give me proofs of when King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud went to Iraaq to destroy Karbala and bala and Najaf. I'm waiting please! Mind you that many Sunni heritage site were also destroyed, the wahabis first destroyed the buildings on Zaid Ibn Al Khattab(ra) grave, so don't paint it as if they were looking for Shias like cats! so according to Sunnism, israel is justified in killing palestinians fighting for their land and using disproportionate force, right? you are very silly. what are rubber bullets, water cannons etc. meant for? it is only in the mind of yours that rioters should be sprayed with live bullets. you are not well. you need psychiatric assessment as an advice. What are you saying na? What concerns Israel and Palestine with Bahrain. A protest or demonstration goes on everywhere in the world. Most times the security engages you when you start stoning or damaging properties! You storm schools and beat up innocent sunnis, tie them up in which nurses and doctors also beat them up.
Stop bringing up Palestinians here because you don't care about them. You can't deceive anyone again! Among the Sunnis of Bahrain, you'll find the "Houla". The most recent influx of the Hola to the now known as GCC countries is during the 1960s. Iran under the Shah was strict regarding different ethnic groups and maintained censuses on them. Most of the Hola families were exiled from various ports and villages of Iran. They were accepted by Bahrain, they never claimed their ancestors were there 1700years ago. There are also Muslims from South East Asia, when did they invade Bahrain and fought wars like the Israelis? At least use your brain once a while, stop justifying evil. The protest was violent, they killed Sunnis all in the name to install an Ayatollah! Wallahi, they would never be successful, Insha'Allah! your analogy is flawed. Fulanis are Nigerians. in the case of bahrain, those "peaceful foreigners" are partners in crime, just as israeli settlers are on palestinian soil. they came in to take over the country of others based on religious/ethnic identity. they do not belong to that country. Gbam the Bahrain Sunnis are naturalized citizens, no one took over Bahrain. The Guardian states: This is not to say that all Bahraini Sunnis are rich or that being Shia is always synonymous with being poor.[u] As many commentators will point out, Bahrain is home to economically powerful Shia families and [u]high-ranking Shia government officials. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/03/bahrain-sunnis-shia-divided-society Whatever grudge you have with the government, go and meet them. Stop beating up Sunnis, stop it! was hadi elected? or he took over after saleh was forced out? if he was not able to negotiate a balanced govt, then he resigned. let the yemenis sort themselves out. they will still reach the same conlusion: a national unity govt. No one forced Saleh, according to Al jazeera, he was on treatment in Wahabi Saudi Arabia.... Lol, Hadi was his vice, so basically he'll be the acting president! An election was held with over 60% turnout and he won. So why the fuss? Iran then went on to harm the Houthis! houthis are yemenis. houthis are not bringing in shia fighters from around the world like wahhabis are flooding syria from across the planet. the syrian govt showed willingness to dialogue. who insisted assad must go? lol take out the foreign fighters from syria and the syrians will reach agreement. it is a big problem when foreign countries start imposing on another sovereign country. it is foreign interference. I can't deny that many foreigners joined the Syrians in their war against Assad but the fact is that majority of the Syrian rebels are Syrians themselves just as the Houthis are Yemenis themselves. But it's quite ironic and hypocritical that you criticize foreigners in Syrian but support foreigners fighting for Assad like Hezbollah, Liwa Fatemiyoun, Arab Nationalist Guard, and many others. This groups consists of thousand foreigners who came to fight and butcher Syrians, and you open your brown teeth?  Hey, are you kidding, Assad willingness to dialogue? After he has killed over 250,000..... Even as brutal as ISIS and Nusra is, they've not reached half this number. Washington Post states: Government forces are responsible for many more of the estimated 250,000 deaths in the four-year-old conflict than are the Islamic State militants and rebel groups, analysts and monitoring groups say. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/islamic-state-has-killed-many-syrians-but-assads-forces-have-killed-even-more/2015/09/05/b8150d0c-4d85-11e5-80c2-106ea7fb80d4_story.html in Nigeria, it was a coup. it was not biafran revolt per se who revolted. how many igbos support biafra? in yemen, a section of the govt withdrew. it was not a coup. What is this one saying? Do I need to lecture you about Nigeria's history again? There was a couple mainly of Ibo officers, the North retaliated brutally by killing innocent Ibo civilians, in return Ojukwu then seceded. There was a crackdown and the Ibos fought back, advanced and took Benin. They tried to take over Lagos too! In Yemen, the Houthi rebels didn't just withdraw but they took up arms and started kill until they were able to seize the government with guns,forced the President to resign. Isn't that a coup? Shias pass takfir, but do they carry out takfiri killings? please tell us on whose fatwa and order are the Sunnis blowing themselves up in Shia areas acting? be they wahhabi or not. who is supplying them the fatwas? has there ever being a Shia in iraq blowing himself up in a Sunni mosque? never! what is responsible for this big difference? Oh thank God for admitting, Shi'as are Lord of Takfir. When we look into history and what's currently happening in Syria, they're showing their takfiri nature. Shias of the old like nasirudeen al tusi and the other guy(I've forgotten his name) who betrayed the Muslims of Baghdad at the hands of the mongols in which thousands if not millions were killed! A time in Iraaq in which the Shi'as controlled the government, Sunnis were killed based on their names. People had to change names from Umar to Samir, etc. dig deeper. you will find. That's the leader of wahabbiyah!  wahhabis are angels. who attacked the Imam Sadeq mosque in Kuwait? buddhists from burma? Don't you hear simple English, I said they aren't wahabis but Khawarij. The Kuwaiti government is a close Ally of Saudi Arabia, in fact it came to it's aid during the Iraqi invasion. This government who are majority sunni have always prevented sectarianism, this same block head Khawarij bombed a mosque with Saudi Wahabi military officers in it http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mosque-attack/ They've bombed all around saudi arabia today and yet you still claim they're Wahabis, have you no sense? so the majority of ahwaz are Shia. why is iran having issues with them? you will still find reason to turn it sectarian. Yes it's sectarian because many of those arrested were reverts to Ahl Sunnah! if saddam was shia, you'd have added "ethnic and sectarian". Thank God you added "if"! iran is shia, and they have problem with a minority of ahwazi arabs who are separatists. you have brought in the case of one of them who allegedly became sunni for political end. Separatist you say, you funny o. This is the same thing Christians proclaim about Ibo Muslims, that they revert to Islam because of politics and monetary gains, propaganda at its peak! two million shia iranians in tehran marched on quds day to support sunni palestinnians. you will still find excuses to discredit them based on the mentiality of your arabian sunni masters. Spare me the Quds day rubbish, a day of double standards and hypocrisy. Marching around with pictures of Dome of the Rock, a masjid built by the Umayyads, waving posters of mosques built by Umar(ra) and the "tyrannical" Umayyads, it shows there's an hidden agenda because a Shia in his right senses wouldn't do this! Hope you burnt alot of Israeli and American flags this year, pay good lip service of empty slogans (death to America/Israel)... OK? Sheikh Raed Salah(Palestinian Islamic Movement Leader) states: It's not befitting for us to assume that we can get rid of the Zionists and free Al-Qods through those who CURSE the one who CONQUERED it(OMAR IBN AL KHATTAB) and (curse) the one who freed it(Salahuddin Al Ayyubi Al Kurdi)  mumu, those hadiths are fabricated. not eevry hadiths attributed to the Prophet (s) or the holy Imams (as) are correct. we do not shy from the fact that our hadith books are not 100%, and only the Quran is 100%. we do not find reasons to justify false hadith or tag them "sahih" as you do. No no no no, not so smart The video link I pasted refuted your nonsense. The Kurds are jinns and your ayatollah acknowledged it, the video features Ayotollah Hassan Al Amiri he mentioned a scenario between Ayotollah Sayyid Mohsin Al Hakim. He also mentioned that the hadith of Kurds being jinn is authentic according to Imam al Shirazi in his treatise of a book "Al Faqih". A question was posed to Ayotollah Mohammed Jamil Hammoud Al Amili (Beirut/Lebanon) about the Kurds being jinns and he answered in affirmative. He even added that the narrations are no doubt authentic and he claimed that about the Shia Kurds that it's disliked to deal with them! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by ShiaMuslim: 6:48pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
^ Eid Mubarak. take a look at the evidences given above your post and in the end of the last page. get back to the topic. enough with the "my papa strong pass your papa" arguments. get back to the topic: the source of Salafist/wahhabi terror and the role of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahab. im not going to waste my time further. everything is clearly stated already. you can deny as you like. no problem. these are contemporary issues. lets get to the source of the problem and back to the topic. thanks  |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by Demmzy15(m): 12:40am On Jul 07, 2016 |
^^^EID Mubarak Akhi, your points are well noted. Would reply them later! |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by ShiaMuslim: 11:03am On Jul 07, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Good. For your info, when you present wiki to establish figures or details, I'd reject it as unreliable. When I present wiki most often, it's to establish the picture or confirm that an event took place (a general idea). Anyone can edit figures and details, but hardly anyone can post a fictitious event or story even on wiki.i was trying to establish al Saud ransacked Karbala and Najaf and killed thousands based on Takfir. but Not to make detailed claims.and along with wiki I always try to post an independent source. I just want to clarify so you don't feel I'm being unfair or unjust or playing double standard. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by mustaphaseve(m): 11:14pm On Jul 07, 2016 |
Rafidah claimed that the boko haram are of salaf faith but why did their leader come out in a video and claimed they killed Abu Abd-Rahman Muhammed Auwal albaniy zaria we all know he is the greatest salifist preacher Nigeria have ever had or is he also a Shia (ahaly bidah ) or suffi sunnist? And why is it all the time we begin to discuss a matter in this place the Shia people who brings it up navigate to another topic e.g salifism and extremism then u will see saudi had hand in the sept 11 Attack Shia (ahl Bidah ) we know all ur wrong doings and u cannot distract us ask £l binawi he know even if it is zakzaky that comes here he cannot change my fate but i may be able to talk him out bidah 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by Demmzy15(m): 12:13am On Jul 08, 2016 |
ShiaMuslim:My proclamation was very clear, and it was that King Abdulaziz Ibn Saud(rah) never invaded Karbala or Najaf. If you have any document which points to that, please present it and I'll gladly concur. |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by ShiaMuslim: 12:15am On Jul 08, 2016 |
mustaphaseve: brother, first you should learn to be civil. calling people names like "ahl bidah" does not make your case stronger or vindicate your beliefs. people have a right to follow what you call "bidah", and even "kufr". the Quran guarantees people's right to believe and disbelieve, and constitutionally people are free to worship as they will, and it is a universally accepted human right. if you have contributions to make, let it be of relevance to the discussion and not scattering dust to prove anything. the problem with Salafist/Wahhabi ideology is Takfiri killings. you can disagree with others without calling them names, and even without being so intolerant that the differences can have you to kill. the example of Salafist/Wahhabi terror groups turning against each other and passing Takfiri (declaration of disbelief) against themselves is not a hidden secret. that is how Syria ended up with two factions of alqaeda (al nusra, and isis). these people disagreed on who should be their emir, and they end up killing themselves because each side calls the other "kafir". the problem of intolerance and takfiri killings is that it knows no limit. tolerance should be taught that not everyone who disagrees with you should be killed or becomes a kafir. you are not God. no one wants you to be Shia. its your choice to be what you like. Shia Islam is not Zakzaky's property. it has been before him and will be after him. you can still disagree with Zakzaky and be Shia. to many Shia Zakzaky is not given notice. he is ignored because many do not agree with his methodology of turning differences into cause for divisions. so please stick to the topic. if it is hatred you simply want to vent, then you're on your own. the Holy Quran says: "CALL UNTO THE PATH OF YOUR LORD WITH WISDOM AND KIND WORDS"! It doesnt say call unto the path of your lord with "killings and insults". i hope you see the difference between the two approaches. |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by ShiaMuslim: 12:19am On Jul 08, 2016 |
Demmzy15: two has been given. one is from the huffington post. seems you did not read the reply. a quick google search will clarify that the event happened. it was not once that the al saud left the arabian peninsula to attack iraq and in particular Najaf and Karbala, and to loot the treasures in the holy sites, destroy the mosques, level the tombs of the Prophet's family members, and kill innocent people. what Isis is doing today against Iraq's Shia is something that the predecessors of the saudi monarchy had done in their official status. now things have changed. so the dirty work is done by those everyone call "terrorists". yet still, you hear of condemnation for attack on a gay club in america, but silence when hundreds of Shia are butchered by suicide bombers in baghdad. the Muslim world is in a mess. it is even lack of humanity and human feelings. |
| Re: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by ShiaMuslim: 4:53pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
(Sunni scholar) Shaykh Abdullah Katamtu: Ibn Taymiyyah thoughts source of extremism in the Islamic world Rasa - Shaykh Abdullah Katamtu referred to the role of the extremist fatwas propagated by 13- and 14th-century Takfiri cleric, Taqiuddin Ahmad ibn Taymiyyah, in the spread of extremist throughout the Islamic world. [img]http://media.en.rasanews.ir/Original/1395/04/15/IMG14231350.jpg[/img] RNA – Shaykh Abdullah Katamtu referred to the role of the extremist fatwas propagated by 13- and 14th-century Takfiri cleric, Taqiuddin Ahmad ibn Taymiyyah, in the spread of extremist throughout the Islamic world. The Imam of the al-Wasim Mosque in Damascus’ Yarmouk refugee camp said the Takfiri phenomenon and scholars friendly to it have become the greatest enemies of Islam and Muslims by their misuse of Islamic sources and wrong interpretations of religious concepts. He added that the propagation of extremist and Takfiri fatwas among the people, especially young people of the Islamic world, has led the world to receive a false interpretation of Islam. He said that the political exploitation of religion is a mistake and that the Zionist regime has launched an armed struggle against Muslims and is sowing discord and division in the Islamic world in order to divide Islamic countries, especially Syria, Iraq and Egypt. Shaykh Katamtu continued, saying that Wahhabis and other extremist groups have become the tools of the Zionist regime and sought to implement the goals of this regime in Islamic countries. “Muslims and Islamic governments should remain vigilant in regard to the events surrounding them so that the enemies cannot target them,” he said. The member of the Union of Scholars in Syria stressed that Islam is a religion of mercy and peace and added that “Islam is not a religion of the sword, does not allow the killing of innocent people, aggression nor destruction, but rather the Prophet Muhammad introduced Islam as the religion of mercy, kindness, peace and friendship.” The Sunni scholar urged Islamic countries and the religious scholars to renounce the Takfiri ideology and false fatwas and said that in order to combat this ideology and its propagation of extremist fatwas all options need to be employed, including military, political and media options. Shaykh Katamtu said that the fundamental problem of the Islamic world is the lack of practical and serious efforts to resist against the Takfiri ideology and the propagation of false fatwas and said: “Unfortunately, Islamic scholars look only to themselves and their countries and not toward other Islamic governments and Muslims. They must know that if one of the Islamic countries launches an attack on another part of the world, the outcome will soon reach them.” 111/112 http://en.rasanews.ir/detail/News/422524/23?utm_content=buffer7f235&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer |
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