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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by nacozee: 3:42pm On Jul 10, 2016
LOL! See? they have nothing to say, if u have busines with the ward, tell me wat u would do there? carry ur drug bags and follow the doctor around? where u trained hw many ward rounds did u attend? but u want to attend after u graduated. For those lookin for who to educate, pls locate ur colleagues

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by nacozee: 3:48pm On Jul 10, 2016
DABMarkNig2019:

are you this jobless and stupid? what do you take pharmacists for? like I said earlier stop displaying your stupidity here. It's a public forum. l know so many responsible doctors who are definitely not like you are.
Wow it has turned to insult o. The jobFUL boy! o setie. Money no dey medical line. Abeg no kil yasef. Bad belle sha

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by drered(m): 3:51pm On Jul 10, 2016
nacozee:
This has gone beyound just the man in question. Am makin generalised statements. BTW as a pharmacist who knws ur ethics, u shudnt even attend to patients witout prescription except for over the counter drugs

Very true and that will happen when the gap that has been existing before you and i got to where we are is filled namely affordable health care, hospitals and qualified doctors. And don't just assume that as a pharmacist I'm in the retail sector.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by yetseyi(f): 4:05pm On Jul 10, 2016
I have always said it that a large percentage of the problems plaguing the Nigerian health Carr system will be solved if these health workers work in synergy.

Besides we don't have a perfect system in naija thats why I smile at some of the comments.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by thorpido(m): 4:19pm On Jul 10, 2016
drered:

Lol. Experience in what exactly?. Pharmacist have the legal right and backing to alternate 'brands' of a medication. Pharmacist don't and won't change the medication in a prescription to a different compound. They could inform you on mistakes or refuse entirely to dispense a medication. It's as easy as that.
I'm not in disagreement with you.Read my comment well.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by nacozee: 4:26pm On Jul 10, 2016
yetseyi:
I have always said it that a large percentage of the problems plaguing the Nigerian health Carr system will be solved if these health workers work in synergy.

Besides we don't have a perfect system in naija thats why I smile at some of the comments.
The problem with the sector lies on envy, jealousy, greed, inferiority complex comin from those who dont like their position and where God has placed them. If we all stick to our responsibilities,roles, and work limits, the sector wu b sweet. God bless all. smiley
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by PharmAlfred: 4:48pm On Jul 10, 2016
theuniqueone:

I am now a quack for insisting on verifying my own prescription. I have never seen an MD claiming to be a pharmacist but most pharmacists surreptitiously claim to doctors. I don't know who the quacks are?

Hello sir/ma. So you don't know pharmacists could be called Doctors. I think I have a problem with your education. Pls Check or read up on the Doctor of Pharmacy degree (PharmD). Pls, for the fact that you are a professional, refrain from making this kind of comment.

I can send you materials on this if you are interested. Above all, make your personal research. Thank you.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by PharmAlfred: 4:57pm On Jul 10, 2016
Lisaflex:



He can offer anoda brand quite alright and anyone can adversely react 2 any drug ,bt in ds case d drug in question (d particular drug he offered) had a known contraindication wc I expect him 2 knw as a pharmacist,buh he didn't do d needful by asking a question shld hv askd b4 giving d dude d drug...If u cm 4rm d angle dt he is jes human n is prone 2 mistks(maybe he forgot 2 ask d pertinent question),its understandable...Wot i don't agree wt, is trying 2 shift blames (eg "its not his fault,d dude shld hv told him he had asthma,bla bla bla..." )
Pls, educate me on the reaction to Azithromycin.
After that, I will send you materials on where Azithromycin has proven useful to asthma patients. This is obviously an idiosyncratic reaction which the pharmacist is not responsible.
And for the records, macrolides are the preferred choice for respiratory tract infection especially cough in relation to the Floroquinolones

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by armadeo(m): 4:59pm On Jul 10, 2016
I can't but lol at all these comments
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by PharmAlfred: 5:04pm On Jul 10, 2016
EVILFOREST:
Good morning..
To Well meaning Nigerians.. .
It baffles me when a pharmacist equates him or herself to a Medical Doctor.. .
They should equate themselves to NATIVE DOCTORS before going to the Medical Doctors.

A truthful NIGERIAN PHARMACIST had intentions of studying MEDICINE and SURGERY ab initio....
Even the PHARMACISTS want their kids to study MEDICINE
Most FEMALE PHARMACISTS want to get married to the Medical Doctors, which is their utmost priority.
I think the earlier Medical Doctors start proposing to them, the more interesting the situation becomes.
PHARMACISTS rush their wives, husbands, kids and Parents to the Medical Doctors (Hospitals) in times of Emergency.
So why don't they manage them at homes, factories or pharmacy retail outlets..and watch out for recovery. .. ?
Since u are better than the Medical Doctors, then follow my instructions as stated above..
grin grin grin
So what's all these nonsense ..?

Pls can you try something else. We have heard this before.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by obynaDmob(m): 5:04pm On Jul 10, 2016
PharmAlfred:

Pls, educate me on the reaction to Azithromycin.
After that, I will send you materials on where Azithromycin has proven useful to asthma patients. This is obviously an idiosyncratic reaction which the pharmacist is not responsible.
And for the records, macrolides are the preferred choice for respiratory tract infection especially cough in relation to the Floroquinolones



I am not a big fan of the pharmacists, but if she gave azithromycin and not fluoroquinolones for respiratory problem then she did nothing wrong(textbook antibiotic treatment). Its sad he got a reaction from using the right drug for his condition..shit happens
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by saintdennis(m): 5:34pm On Jul 10, 2016
All I have learnt from this is that I need to marry a doctor or lawyer.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by PharmAlfred: 5:36pm On Jul 10, 2016
I think the major problem is that many people do not have the facts of the case. We all immediately jumped into our judgement and conclusion mode and started bashing the pharmacists.

For the records, the young man did not go the pharmacy with a prescription.
I sympathize with him and I hope the Adverse Drug Reaction has been duly reported.

Before he rushed to the media, he should have done some background check and besides, he claims his parents are both medical doctors. They should have known better to educate their son about idiosyncratic reaction or adverse drug reactions.

He asked for Ciprofloxacin and was given Azithromycin. And Azithromycin is truly better for the condition he complained of. Azithromycin has even proven to be useful in treating asthma.

all the information, you need on Azithromycin is just Google away.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by 100percentmusik: 5:45pm On Jul 10, 2016
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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by PharmAlfred: 7:13pm On Jul 10, 2016
I hope this helps.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by yetseyi(f): 8:07pm On Jul 10, 2016
nacozee:
The problem with the sector lies on envy, jealousy, greed, inferiority complex comin from those who dont like their position and where God has placed them. If we all stick to our responsibilities,roles, and work limits, the sector wu b sweet. God bless all. smiley


Loool who are "those that don't know their position" this statement alone shows you are part of the problem.

All of you health workers should work as a team that's how its done in saner places. I am part of those that believe everyone is important. That's how I saw a thread saying that Lab scientists are not really needed I was like seriously? No wonder every fever is termed as malaria.

Nigerian health workers need serious deliverance, all of you should better work on how you will work in Synergy because at the end of the day its innocent patients that will pay for it.

Lives have been lost because of this simple reason unnecessary beefing everywhere.

Its just so annoying.

Docs beefing pharmacist
Lab sci beefing doc
Nurses beefing doc
Doc beefing doc.
Nurses beefing nurses



All of you continue your power tussle you hear while innocent patients are paying for it.


I will still say it again that apart from corruption the major problem our health sector faces is this friction between the health workers.

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by titane: 9:33pm On Jul 10, 2016
Silvofitz:


In our teaching hospital, a foremost teaching hospital in Nigeria, pharmacists dispense drugs as prescribed by the doctors.
No pharmacist changes doctor's prescriptions.
Nurses are better placed to call the attention of the doctor, if any error is perceived on the prescription, because they a privy to the patient's medical history through the case file, and Because they have a booklet called Nursing Process, which contains all the information they collect from the patient by clerking. The Nurses assess, diagnose, set the objective, plan, and implement the treatment, then evaluate the outcome of the treatment. So, by virtue of intimate interaction with patient, they can notice the need for a change in prescription.
In a standard setting, it's the Nurses, not the pharmacists, that often call the attention of doctors to changing prescription. And, even at that, the nurses would not change the prescription on their own. They would call the attention of the Doctor.
clap for yourself, miss nurse titi. nice attempt at promoting your profession. if I slap you, your brain will reset.

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by jojutolu(m): 9:44pm On Jul 10, 2016
nacozee:
Yes o! am sure u knw dat alredy. if u have no licence frm MDCN, u are not authorised to make diagnosis. period
And for ur mind,u have made sense, ba? I guess I ougth not to engage you in the first place, I know your type. Licence-made!
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by titane: 9:50pm On Jul 10, 2016
thorpido:
Do what who instructed here?

I'm not a pharmacist.
@pedrilo, thorpido. is a dokita. lol. so stfu! what's my own set, just wanna get my degree and get the fuckkk oitta this shitty hole. seen enough mess during my IT days. wonder how hospital pharmacist cope...in Nigeria. thorpido, are you closely related to a rxist or married to one? cos. it's untypical of naija docs to act rational in cases like this and you have done so.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by crystalmi(f): 9:56pm On Jul 10, 2016
Silvofitz:


In our teaching hospital, a foremost teaching hospital in Nigeria, pharmacists dispense drugs as prescribed by the doctors.
No pharmacist changes doctor's prescriptions.
Nurses are better placed to call the attention of the doctor, if any error is perceived on the prescription, because they a privy to the patient's medical history through the case file, and Because they have a booklet called Nursing Process, which contains all the information they collect from the patient by clerking. The Nurses assess, diagnose, set the objective, plan, and implement the treatment, then evaluate the outcome of the treatment. So, by virtue of intimate interaction with patient, they can notice the need for a change in prescription.
In a standard setting, it's the Nurses, not the pharmacists, that often call the attention of doctors to changing prescription. And, even at that, the nurses would not change the prescription on their own. They would call the attention of the Doctor.
You know what? I will not honor u with an argument, because I can see you are ignorant on all levels about the pharmacy profession. I guess u don't even know what is called Clinical Pharmacist, Google it. Google will help u know more. But next time, don't talk if you are ignorant of something.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by titane: 9:58pm On Jul 10, 2016
dokiOloye:
A pharmacist can NEVER know abt d side efx of drugs more than doctors cos they have little or no contact wt d patient.
you are plainly ridiculous. buhahaahahaha. are you for real? your licence should be seized. just get the fuckkk out of the internet and stop acting threatened. all my friends in medical school now avoid me cos they can't stand my knowledge. threatened pcm prescriber
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by thorpido(m): 10:04pm On Jul 10, 2016
titane:
@pedrilo, thorpido. is a dokita. lol. so stfu! what's my own set, just wanna get my degree and get the fuckkk oitta this shitty hole. seen enough mess during my IT days. wonder how hospital pharmacist cope...in Nigeria. thorpido, are you closely related to a rxist or married to one? cos. it's untypical of naija docs to act rational in cases like this and you have done so.
Not everyone has ego.You can let others get to the height of their careers.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by Nobody: 10:13pm On Jul 10, 2016
titane:
clap for yourself, miss nurse titi. nice attempt at promoting your profession. if I slap you, your brain will reset.

A tout sighted here!
I can imagine how some beasts batter their wives at home.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by titane: 10:20pm On Jul 10, 2016
chichichilolo1:
That is what happens when one goes to consult a pharmacist when one is sick.pharmacists either produce or dispense drugs they are not trained to diagnose and treat diseases only a doctor does this.people will not hear, when you are sick visit a doctor and then a pharmacist to get the prescribed drugs not the other way around
so to treat unproductive cough, I will waste my time in the hospital, on queues and hiring protocols when I can get into a standard pharmacist and have my problem resolved? I'm my clinical pharmacy classes I was made to know that simple treatment and management of disease conditions can be performed by the rxist. you refer when the scope is beyond you, not without advices and counselling. you guys are resisting change yet want to get out of the country where things you are resisting are institutionalized.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by nacozee: 10:22pm On Jul 10, 2016
jojutolu:

And for ur mind,u have made sense, ba? I guess I ougth not to engage you in the first place, I know your type. Licence-made!
Wat u ought not to do is try to defend ur colleagues who modify prescriptions and complicate proper patient mangement.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by eleojo23: 10:57pm On Jul 10, 2016
nacozee:
Wat u ought not to do is try to defend ur colleagues who modify prescriptions and complicate proper patient mangement.

What kind of doctor is this sef?
You are embarrassing your colleagues here.
I am amazed at your ignorance even when you can just open another tab on your browser and look up some things on the scope of the pharmacists job.

Let me help you. Check these out and educate yourself.

https://www.opatoday.com/tips-and-common-questions/tip-sheets/10-services-your-pharmacist-can-offer-you

The link below shows an example of how the role of pharmacists is expanding in various parts of the world and Nigeria is fast keying into this.

https://pans.ns.ca/public/pharmacy-services/assessing-prescribing-minor-ailments

Here are links to books on patient assessment in pharmacy.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0781765560/ref=mw_dp_img?is=l

https://www.amazon.com/Patient-Assessment-Pharmacy-Richard-Herrier/dp/0071751947
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by Nobody: 10:58pm On Jul 10, 2016
titane:
clap for yourself, miss nurse titi. nice attempt at promoting your profession. if I slap you, your brain will reset.


A tout sighted here!
I can imagine how some beasts batter their wives at home.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by Nobody: 11:02pm On Jul 10, 2016
crystalmi:
You know what? I will not honor u with an argument, because I can see you are ignorant on all levels about the pharmacy profession. I guess u don't even know what is called Clinical Pharmacist, Google it. Google will help u know more. But next time, don't talk if you are ignorant of something.

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Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by chichichilolo1(f): 11:22pm On Jul 10, 2016
titane:
so to treat unproductive cough, I will waste my time in the hospital, on queues and hiring protocols when I can get into a standard pharmacist and have my problem resolved? I'm my clinical pharmacy classes I was made to know that simple treatment and management of disease conditions can be performed by the rxist. you refer when the scope is beyond you, not without advices and counselling. you guys are resisting change yet want to get out of the country where things you are resisting are institutionalized.
my dear pharmacists are different from doctors.Doctors take a detailed history before théy prescribe any drugs to patients and included in this history is a drug and allergy history that gives thé doctor an insight into a patient 's drug réactions and allergies so as to know which drug should be avoided in that particular patient and to make substitutions accordingly
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by nacozee: 11:24pm On Jul 10, 2016
eleojo23:


What kind of doctor is this sef?
You are embarrassing your colleagues here.
I am amazed at your ignorance even when you can just open another tab on your browser and look up some things on the scope of the pharmacists job.

Let me help you. Check these out and educate yourself.

https://www.opatoday.com/tips-and-common-questions/tip-sheets/10-services-your-pharmacist-can-offer-you

The link below shows an example of how the role of pharmacists is expanding in various parts of the world and Nigeria is fast keying into this.

https://pans.ns.ca/public/pharmacy-services/assessing-prescribing-minor-ailments
why are u not satisfied with ur current role? if u are allowed to make minor prescriptions, u wud stil want more, mayb to become consultants. Why do u find the structuring of ur work faulty that u keep wanting to change it to suit ur taste. why did u not insist on becoming a med doctor if ur zeal was in prescription than in drug dispensing.
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by titane: 11:27pm On Jul 10, 2016
Silvofitz:


A tout sighted here!
I can imagine how some beasts batter their wives at home.
lol, I could be a female. so how am I supposed to have a wife? huh?
Re: You Are Not Doctors! Nigerian Man Who Nearly Died From Error Blasts Pharmacists by eleojo23: 11:44pm On Jul 10, 2016
nacozee:
why are u not satisfied with ur current role? if u are allowed to make minor prescriptions, u wud stil want more, mayb to become consultants. Why do u find the structuring of ur work faulty that u keep wanting to change it to suit ur taste. why did u not insist on becoming a med doctor if ur zeal was in prescription than in drug dispensing.

Now you sound threatened! Why are you feeling so? Change is a constant thing.

I hope you wont have a heart attack if I tell you that pharmacist do residency program in the US and some other countries. For instance,

https://pharmacy.uic.edu/departments/pharmacy-practice//residency-fellowship-programs/pgy-residency-program/pgy1-community-pharmacy-residency-program

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/pharmacy/residents/

Even Nurse practitioners are now prescribing in some countries.
https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/articles/pharmaceutical-non-medical-prescribing

It is only a matter of time before it becomes common all over the world.

In fact, take a look at the curriculum for the West African Postgraduate College Of Pharmacists, residency is a part of every specialization (including clinical pharmacy)

http://www.wapharm.org/pm/webpages.php?id=17

Also, the doctor of pharmacy degree(PharmD) which has more emphasis on clinical practice is being embraced in many countries including Nigeria.

You don't need to be threatened.
The shortage of doctors and the need to make healthcare easily accessible to everyone has led to the expansion of the roles of pharmacists and nurses. They however still have their limitations. A doctor will always be a doctor, nobody is trying to take that away from them.
You guys just have to keep an open mind and embrace the changes and see how everyone can work together. You cant fight the change for long because it is here to stay.

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