It's is a known belief that we all will stop existing one day as a result of death, however, this is based on our limited capacity of seeing, feeling and experiencing the universe.

I believe that human life is a body of energy in constant motion. From the first law of thermodynamics- law of conservation of energy, energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.

The questions now is: in what form could human life forms (energy) continue to exist (what I believe to be immortality) after the so-called death

Physical life is just the mortality we experience now and will end with physical death. As to essence of human life, which is soul, it has never been dead and is incapable of destruct.

In simple terms; We do not have a soul, we are soul, we have a body. Earth life is soul experiencing physical reality on Earth. Just like Astronauts wear designated Spacesuit to go to Space, the Human body is the Spacesuit needed for Earth living. Death is a stage where this spacesuit can no longer accommodate the real us, soul.

The reason we can not totally understand the Universe, which we are a part of on a human level, is because the brain, which actually is the frequency modulator of the human genome, can only operate on a set of frequency, outside which it can not decipher. You must tune to a particular channel to receive messages from that channel. It does explain why some people see beings from other dimensions while others can't.

Changing frequencies can be done via drugs, herbs, alcohol, stimulants, fasting etc. Whatever dimension you are tuned to, will determine what you see there or here. Some people are channels and hear from the dead loved ones and can even bring messages from spirit beings from alternate universes or planets or dimensions.

The only thing stopping us from realizing our greatest potential is religions, cos religions seems to tell you to stop searching, stop investigation, cos God did these things but even the very word God is very apt way of describing the essence of life which we are a part of.

We are soul experiencing life on this planet, after the bodies ages and/or dies off, we move the next planets and/or dimensions and get new bodies meant for those planets if we chose to, or simply return to the source to plan our next locations to visit.

We designed and built these universes and we are part of a simulation within the simulations that must evolve to our greatest version.

Billyonaire:
Human life is just the mortality we experience now and will end with physical death. As to essence of human life, which is soul, it has never been dead and is incapable of destruct.

In simple terms; We do not have a soul, we are soul, we have a body. Earth life is soul experiencing physical reality on Earth. Just like Astronauts wear designated Spacesuit to go to Space, the Human body is the Spacesuit needed for Earth living. Death is a stage where this spacesuit can no longer accommodate the real us, soul.

The reason we can not totally understand the Universe, which we are a part of on a human level, is because the brain, which actually is the frequency modulator of the human genome, can only operate on a set of frequency, outside which it can not decipher. You must tune to a particular channel to receive messages from that channel. It does explain why some people see beings from other dimensions while others can't.

Changing frequencies can be done via drugs, herbs, alcohol, stimulants, fasting etc. Whatever dimension you are tuned to, will determine what you see there.

The only thing stopping us from realizing our greatest potential is religions, cos religions seems to tell you to stop searching, stop investigation, cos God did these things but even the very word God is very apt way of describing the essence of life which we are a part of.

We are soul experiencing life on this planet, after the bodies ages and/or dies off, we move the next planets and/or dimensions and get new bodies meant for those planets if we chose to, or simply return to the source to plan our next locations to visit.

We designed and built these universes and we are part of a simulation within the simulations that must evolve to our greatest version.

Nice points you raised here.

I have read a lot of materials and have sometime in the past believed so much in the whole soul and spirit thing.

I'm also used to considering the major force inhabiting the soul as spirit, however, science is yet to make it clear what this force or energy looks like, its frequency, characters it exhibit and general components. Scientists are also yet to assign a distinguishing name as the name soul is so distorted mostly by religious entities.

JustCare:


Nice points you raised here.
I have read a lot of materials and have sometime in the past believed so much in the whole soul and spirit thing.

I'm also used to considering the major force inhabiting the soul as spirit, however, science is yet to make it clear what this force or energy looks like, its frequency, characters it exhibit and general components. Scientists are also yet to assign a distinguishing name as the name soul is so distorted mostly by religious entities.

Astrophysics is working on the string theory that will connect quantum physics to laws of relativity. There are advances in neurosciences that explains the connection of the brainwaves to ether. Consciousness is making in-roads to scientific discourses and truth is my understanding of the universe has been always bolstered by the advances in science even though I have greater exposure to life what means from a metaphysical perspective. Note that metaphysics is an advance form of physics.

Billyonaire:
Astrophysics is working on the string theory that will connect quantum physics to laws of relativity. There are advances in neurosciences that explains the connection of the brainwaves to ether. Consciousness is making in-roads to scientific discourses and truth is my understanding of the universe has been always bolstered by the advances in science even though I have greater exposure to life what means from a metaphysical perspective. Note that metaphysics is an advance form of physics.

Yes, human race is progressing in science. I'm still trying to grasp fully the whole string theory thing. That theory may pave way into better understanding of this life force. Science demands patience.

From your earlier post, I disagree with you on separating the human life from its essence as seen in 'death', I believe in the whole, thus a mere transformation. With the whole there won't be any question of mortality, this is in resonance with law of conservation of energy. Also going by your idea of separation, the transformation still remains, this, makes the term "mortality" less useful.

JustCare:


Yes, human race is progressing in science. I'm still trying to grasp fully the whole string theory thing. That theory may pave way into better understanding of this life force. Science demands patience.

From your earlier post, I disagree with you on separating the human life from its essence as seen in 'death', I believe in the whole, thus a mere transformation. With the whole there won't be any question of mortality, this is in resonance with law of conservation of energy. Also going by your idea of separation, the transformation still remains, this, makes the term "mortality" less useful.

Can you throw my light on the bolded. By human life, I mean mortality. Mortality is a function of integration of soul, physical body and spirit. Spirit being the 'binding' energy of soul energy to the physical body, which is our organic spacesuit for planet earth.

At death of physical body, Soul by default transcends to source. This is the separation.

Billyonaire:
Physical life is just the mortality we experience now and will end with physical death. As to essence of human life, which is soul, it has never been dead and is incapable of destruct.

In simple terms; We do not have a soul, we are soul, we have a body. Earth life is soul experiencing physical reality on Earth. Just like Astronauts wear designated Spacesuit to go to Space, the Human body is the Spacesuit needed for Earth living. Death is a stage where this spacesuit can no longer accommodate the real us, soul.

The reason we can not totally understand the Universe, which we are a part of on a human level, is because the brain, which actually is the frequency modulator of the human genome, can only operate on a set of frequency, outside which it can not decipher. You must tune to a particular channel to receive messages from that channel. It does explain why some people see beings from other dimensions while others can't.

Changing frequencies can be done via drugs, herbs, alcohol, stimulants, fasting etc. Whatever dimension you are tuned to, will determine what you see there or here. Some people are channels and hear from the dead loved ones and can even bring messages from spirit beings from alternate universes or planets or dimensions.

The only thing stopping us from realizing our greatest potential is religions, cos religions seems to tell you to stop searching, stop investigation, cos God did these things but even the very word God is very apt way of describing the essence of life which we are a part of.

We are soul experiencing life on this planet, after the bodies ages and/or dies off, we move the next planets and/or dimensions and get new bodies meant for those planets if we chose to, or simply return to the source to plan our next locations to visit.

We designed and built these universes and we are part of a simulation within the simulations that must evolve to our greatest version.

How did you come about this information?

Billyonaire:


Can you throw my light on the bolded. By human life, I mean mortality. Mortality is a function of integration of soul, physical body and spirit. Spirit being the 'binding' energy of soul energy to the physical body, which is our organic spacesuit for planet earth.

At death of physical body, Soul by default transcends to source. This is the separation.

Human life is just the mortality we experience now and will end with physical death. As to essence of human life, which is soul, it has never been dead and is incapable of destruct

Mortality understood as used. However, it still doesn't end like you asserted in the bolded.

JustCare:

Human life is just the mortality we experience now and will end with physical death. As to essence of human life, which is soul, it has never been dead and is incapable of destruct

Mortality understood as used. However, it still doesn't end like you asserted in the bolded.

Mortality means subject to death, so how is it wrong ? Human life must end, it is inevitable. That, which survives death, is not human, soul isnt human.

Ranchhoddas:
How did you come about this information?

It strikes a cord ?

Billyonaire:
It strikes a cord ?

Absolutely not. I've heard a lot of 'crazy' things in my life. I just want to know the source of this one.

Ranchhoddas:
Absolutely not. I've heard a lot of 'crazy' things in my life. I just want to know the source of this one.

What is crazy to you might just be a norm for those who are crazy enough to experience the abnormal. In essence, what is normal to you, might be a total farce in the universal scheme of things, which makes you discordant in the harmonics of the cosmos.

If truth is what you are interested on, keep an open mind and do not condemn other school of thoughts. You might be surprise that in time you are proven wrong or right.

Billyonaire:
What is crazy to you might just be a norm for those who are crazy enough to experience the abnormal. In essence, what is normal to you, might be a total farce in the universal scheme of things, which makes you discordant in the harmonics of the cosmos.

If truth is what you are interested on, keep an open mind and do not condemn other school of thoughts. You might be surprise that in time you are proven wrong or right.

What I am asking you for is the source of your information. There can only be one truth. Anybody can claim anything as truth.

Ranchhoddas:
What I am asking you for is the source of your information. There can only be one truth. Anybody can claim anything as truth.

No one is interested in your belief system, neither am I interested in having you believe whatever. I personally do not have a belief system, because belief is a dogma. My facts are from scientific perspectives based on Quantum Physics, Wave-Particle Paradox, String Theory, Thermodynamics, Astro-Physics, MetaPhysics, Mysticism, Pantheism and Astral Travel.

Billyonaire:
No one is interesting in your belief system, neither am I interested in having you believe whatever. I personally do not have a belief system, because belief is a dogma. My facts are from scientific perspectives based on Quantum Physics, Wave-Particle Paradox, String Theory, Thermodynamics, Astro-Physics, MetaPhysics, Mysticism, Pantheism and Astral Travel.

I don't see the FACTS in what you wrote.

Billyonaire:
No one is interesting in your belief system, neither am I interested in having you believe whatever. I personally do not have a belief system, because belief is a dogma. My facts are from scientific perspectives based on Quantum Physics, Wave-Particle Paradox, String Theory, Thermodynamics, Astro-Physics, MetaPhysics, Mysticism, Pantheism and Astral Travel.

The Awakening is here.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't see the FACTS in what you wrote.

Then it is either you do not know the meaning of the word FACT or you have redefined it to fit your inelastic perception. I wish luck in your quest.

Billyonaire:
Mortality means subject to death, so how is it wrong ? Human life must end, it is inevitable. That, which survives death, is not human, soul isnt human.

Here you go. When you say human, it's not just the body which must die. I believe that human is immortal except the body that 'dies' as we transform from one form to another.
Hence mortality/death to me is just that transformation which may even continue in realms invisible to us and Science at the moment.

The term mortality as it relates to human life is less useful since the major essence of human life continues to live.

The death of the body doesn't make human mortal. If you separate the life force (so-called soul) from human, then what is left? Human life is the whole.

I have heard many theories regarding life after death from neo-athetistic positions; and all seems to agree on the transmutation of the body, physical, to a more (for lack of a better word) spiritual one.

While it sounds rosey and good; I feel the theorizers must accept this as conjecture only; to avoid falling into the same pit we accuse theists of being in...


But hey, who the heck am I say what you must believe or not

SirWere:
I have heard many theories regarding life after death from neo-athetistic positions; and all seems to agree on the transmutation of the body, physical, to a more (for lack of a better word) spiritual one.

While it sounds rosey and good; I feel the theorizers must accept this as conjecture only; to avoid falling into the same pit we accuse theists of being in...


But hey, who the heck am I say what you must believe or not

The only more relevant thing which is yet to be proved in this context is the characteristics of the energy that lives on after the transformation, when the body is shaded.

JustCare:


The only more relevant thing which is yet to be proved in this context is the characteristics of the energy that lives on after the transformation, when the body is shaded.

To be honest, there is no evidence for any extra "spiritual" energy residing in the body and much less for it somehow becoming independent of the body after death..

Truth is, it seems to me, once you die, you die. There's no bowflowers waiting to welcome to fluffy paradise; there's no extra dimensional phase you go to where you live happily ever after with other...."ghosts"?? You die, that's it.

I guess you can say the BODY can be transformed into energy- in that it becomes manure and a source of nutrition to decomposers and plant.

But to any evidence of the mind surviving after death?? A sense of self independent of the body?? A soul? Sorry, I've not seen any yet.





Immortality is possible, but not in that way...........or so it seems to me.

JustCare:


Here you go. When you say human, it's not just the body which must die. I believe that human is immortal except the body that 'dies' as we transform from one form to another.
Hence mortality/death to me is just that transformation which may even continue in realms invisible to us and Science at the moment.

The term mortality as it relates to human life is less useful since the major essence of human life continues to live.

The death of the body doesn't make human mortal. If you separate the life force (so-called soul) from human, then what is left? Human life is the whole.

Wrong, death is not a transformation but a transition. Mortality means subject to death (check your local dictionaries) while immortality is eternal living. While the human body is mortal, soul is immortal. Human body is the earth-bound space suit, that soul wears to experience life on Gaia. After the mortal end of man, the spacesuit is dropped and we are transitioned to the next energy level based on our threshold frequency.

Immortallity Why Would U Wanna Live Forever?? Talking About Increasing The Life Span Might Be Possible But Totality Immortality Is Impossible IF AGING DOESN'T KILL U SOMETHING ELSE WILL

As interesting as it would be if it were true, I personally see no reliable evidence for an eternal soul, and a substantial amount of evidence against it.

My biggest question is probably, what exactly would this soul, or eternal energy, contain? Our personalities? Our likes and dislikes? Our habits? What lasting parts of "us" can be attributed to it? Because it appears that any aspect of our personalities can be altered through physical & chemical changes in our brains & our genetic material.

cloudgoddess:
As interesting as it would be if it were true, I personally see no reliable evidence for an eternal soul, and a substantial amount of evidence against it.

My biggest question is probably, what exactly would this soul, or eternal energy, contain? Our personalities? Our likes and dislikes? Our habits? What lasting parts of "us" can be attributed to it? Because it appears that any aspect of our personalities can be altered through physical & chemical changes in our brains & our genetic material.

You and your Chemical this and chemical that. This your small knowledge of biology will be your bane one day.

If we believe in gravity even when we do not see or feel it and simply because a man named it gravity does not mean its really gravity...it could be something else.

Many of us refuse to ask the right questions because we just want to hold on to our own little aspect of false reality.

Why would the sun conveniently have all the right gases burning on it to create a continuous stream of light which is integral to the survival of the earth and also be conveniently placed at just the right distance from the earth so we would not be scorched yet have just enough that we need.

We really cannot talk about immortality here as it depends on the mindset of whoever. However if everything around such people who refuse to believe in immortality cannot speak to them about some form of higher design or designer then they should just hold on because in maybe another 50 to 60 yrs they would be dead and all their questions about immortality will be answered then.

As for me immortality is the waking up moment of that which wears our body when the body is done with its job known as our soul. The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

Its an insult to believe that man who has transformed this planet and filled with such intelligence would end up being just plant food and nothing else. If it were true then why were we not just left to remain as animals as they also would become plant food. Man is different and we have an eternal abode. Those who do not believe can wait till they close their eyes in death to receive their eureka moment.

naijadeyhia:



You and your Chemical this and chemical that. This your small knowledge of biology will be your bane one day.

If we believe in gravity even when we do not see or feel it and simply because a man named it gravity does not mean its really gravity...it could be something else.

Many of us refuse to ask the right questions because we just want to hold on to our own little aspect of false reality.

Why would the sun conveniently have all the right gases burning on it to create a continuous stream of light which is integral to the survival of the earth and also be conveniently placed at just the right distance from the earth so we would not be scorched yet have just enough that we need.

We really cannot talk about immortality here as it depends on the mindset of whoever. However if everything around such people who refuse to believe in immortality cannot speak to them about some form of higher design or designer then they should just hold on because in maybe another 50 to 60 yrs they would be dead and all their questions about immortality will be answered then.

As for me immortality is the waking up moment of that which wears our body when the body is done with its job known as our soul. The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

Its an insult to believe that man who has transformed this planet and filled with such intelligence would end up being just plant food and nothing else. If it were true then why were we not just left to remain as animals as they also would become plant food. Man is different and we have an eternal abode. Those who do not believe can wait till they close their eyes in death to receive their eureka moment.

But why does man cling to the belief that he is somewhat special in a universe of randomness? Why does he hold, desperately, like a 3 month old holding his mom's tit that Nature is meant to serve him and not otherwise? Why does he like to assertively shout : I am not like other animals??


Oga, we are not special, we are not different, all are going to die......

SirWere:


But why does man cling to the belief that he is somewhat special in a universe of randomness? Why does he hold, desperately, like a 3 month old holding his mom's tit that Nature is meant to serve him and not otherwise? Why does he like to assertively shout : I am not like other animals??


Oga, we are not special, we are not different, all are going to die......

No doubt all will die but therein is the dilemma. If we are all alike how come our consciousness makes us able to reason and choose and grow amazingly in knowledge.

I have read of a little boy who was raised by wolves and grew up but never being fully accepted by the wolves because he was "odd". However within months of being separated from them had learnt to talk but same wolves can never learn how to speak as we do neither can monkeys whom we allegedly evolved from but we can speak like monkeys and like wolves and birds and practically every other creature but they cannot do same with ours.

We are different not just physically but on a much higher level as well.

SirWere:


To be honest, there is no evidence for any extra "spiritual" energy residing in the body and much less for it somehow becoming independent of the body after death..

Truth is, it seems to me, once you die, you die. There's no bowflowers waiting to welcome to fluffy paradise; there's no extra dimensional phase you go to where you live happily ever after with other...."ghosts"?? You die, that's it.

I guess you can say the BODY can be transformed into energy- in that it becomes manure and a source of nutrition to decomposers and plant.

But to any evidence of the mind surviving after death?? A sense of self independent of the body?? A soul? Sorry, I've not seen any yet.





Immortality is possible, but not in that way...........or so it seems to me.

Human life is not all about carbons.

Exploit is being made in metaphysics and other science issues as it relates to human life. I think you should read up some materials on trendy science.

I'm not an enthusiast of any fairy plane spirits moves to after death but nothing is impossible.

naijadeyhia:



You and your Chemical this and chemical that. This your small knowledge of biology will be your bane one day.

If we believe in gravity even when we do not see or feel it and simply because a man named it gravity does not mean its really gravity...it could be something else.

Many of us refuse to ask the right questions because we just want to hold on to our own little aspect of false reality.

Why would the sun conveniently have all the right gases burning on it to create a continuous stream of light which is integral to the survival of the earth and also be conveniently placed at just the right distance from the earth so we would not be scorched yet have just enough that we need.

We really cannot talk about immortality here as it depends on the mindset of whoever. However if everything around such people who refuse to believe in immortality cannot speak to them about some form of higher design or designer then they should just hold on because in maybe another 50 to 60 yrs they would be dead and all their questions about immortality will be answered then.

As for me immortality is the waking up moment of that which wears our body when the body is done with its job known as our soul. The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

Its an insult to believe that man who has transformed this planet and filled with such intelligence would end up being just plant food and nothing else. If it were true then why were we not just left to remain as animals as they also would become plant food. Man is different and we have an eternal abode. Those who do not believe can wait till they close their eyes in death to receive their eureka moment.

Billyonaire:
Wrong, death is not a transformation but a transition. Mortality means subject to death (check your local dictionaries) while immortality is eternal living. While the human body is mortal, soul is immortal. Human body is the earth-bound space suit, that soul wears to experience life on Gaia. After the mortal end of man, the spacesuit is dropped and we are transitioned to the next energy level based on our threshold frequency.

Transformation simply means a radical change in appearance while transition is to cross over. With this meanings none is different in the context of this discussion.

We're already going in circle. Human life (soul, body etc) . The shading off of the body still remains transformation or transition, death or immortality also remains a useless word here as the human life only continues in another form (immortality)

naijadeyhia:



You and your Chemical this and chemical that. This your small knowledge of biology will be your bane one day.

If we believe in gravity even when we do not see or feel it and simply because a man named it gravity does not mean its really gravity...it could be something else.

Many of us refuse to ask the right questions because we just want to hold on to our own little aspect of false reality.

Why would the sun conveniently have all the right gases burning on it to create a continuous stream of light which is integral to the survival of the earth and also be conveniently placed at just the right distance from the earth so we would not be scorched yet have just enough that we need.

We really cannot talk about immortality here as it depends on the mindset of whoever. However if everything around such people who refuse to believe in immortality cannot speak to them about some form of higher design or designer then they should just hold on because in maybe another 50 to 60 yrs they would be dead and all their questions about immortality will be answered then.

As for me immortality is the waking up moment of that which wears our body when the body is done with its job known as our soul. The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

Its an insult to believe that man who has transformed this planet and filled with such intelligence would end up being just plant food and nothing else. If it were true then why were we not just left to remain as animals as they also would become plant food. Man is different and we have an eternal abode. Those who do not believe can wait till they close their eyes in death to receive their eureka moment.

Why are you getting defensive for no reason and ranting about information I didn't ask about? You could have simply answered my question.

The soul needed to adapt to this earth hence why it was given a body and when its job is done it will do away with the body just like someone who works in a space station needs a space suit and after spending years in space would return to command center to give a report of his stay and findings while on the space mission.

And so I'll ask again. What does this "soul" contain if our bodies (neurons, DNA, and all) are just the "space suit"?

cloudgoddess:

Why are you getting defensive for no reason and ranting about information I didn't ask about? You could have simply answered my question.


And so I'll ask again. What does this "soul" contain if our bodies (neurons, DNA, and all) are just the "space suit"?

And I ask you..what is the colour of the wind or where is it coming from or going to since you know the composition of air?