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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Nobody: 7:05am On Jul 14, 2016
Hmmm

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Nobody: 7:05am On Jul 14, 2016
sad

Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Supercee01(m): 7:07am On Jul 14, 2016
Oboy, see gramma. [b]Oboy, see gramma. [/b]Oboy, see gramma.

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by phemmyfour: 7:09am On Jul 14, 2016
2dugged:
op,since you have mentioned going into business, I would like suggestions of a business I can start with #200k and expand later and it should be a business that will not be affected by this current economic recession
Open a Salon
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Nobody: 7:10am On Jul 14, 2016
phemmyfour:
Open a Salon
Go and ask salon operators how they are fairing, I said a business that will not be affected by the current economic recession.

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by phemmyfour: 7:13am On Jul 14, 2016
2dugged:
Go and ask salon operators how they are fairing, I said a business that will not be affected by the current economic recession.
I don't think you ll find one. Nigeria economy is oil driven
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Nobody: 7:17am On Jul 14, 2016
Know how to read, understand and follow the instructions; know how to communicate properly, whether verbally or in writing; be able to perform basic mathematics; have a passion, interest or skill...then leave the rest to Google and God shikena cheesy

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by seguntijan(m): 7:18am On Jul 14, 2016
the university is a cage that force you to sit behind a desk for four years so you’ll be qualified to sit behind another desk for forty years

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Bitterleafsoup: 7:20am On Jul 14, 2016
The problem is when you think because you have a certificate your too good to work in restaurants or as a shop girl, until you get the break your waiting for.

It takes creativity to make it with or with out.

Last but not least connections is everything. Even if you serve the rich is better then hanging with the poor.
Be around, surround, read, think, talk what you want to attract, what ever you perceive you can achieve.

On another note since the tides have turned graduates better start farming like their grandparents as to help those that helped them and keep belly full.

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Nobody: 7:23am On Jul 14, 2016
phemmyfour:
I don't think you ll find one. Nigeria economy is oil driven
well that is why I have brought it to Nairaland, people keep saying go into business or learn a skill but the truth is out there it's not easy, if I decide to open a Salon,after renting a shop and buying equipments,I have to think of how to get steady power supply, think of how to pay tax which sometimes is double from both state and local government,how much will I make a month for store rent,house rent,feeding, and other miscellaneous expenses

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by uvalued(m): 7:25am On Jul 14, 2016
italkmoses:
“For the sake of this article, a formal certificate is considered as the certificate obtained from a tertiary institution; whether Universities, Polytechnics, Monotechnics or other higher institutions of learning”.

Our country has evolved. She is still evolving. She has evolved in almost every sector. She has evolved into a tragic bad on one part and an astonishingly advanced enclave on the other part. The interest of this article pertains to the evolvement between our formal certificates and their relationship with guaranteed meal tickets.

There has been an age long debate that cuts across many generations in this country about whose generation is Nigeria better or worse. Some commentators proposed that the 1960s’, 1970s’, and 1980s’, Nigeria was the best. Younger generations said the 1990s and 2000s’ is better. Whatever indices must have been used to reach both conclusions will suffice for another fresh article. But I want to focus on what formal certificates meant between the earlier generations and what obtains in today’s reality.

It was my dad that told me about how first degree graduates were treated in the 60’s, 70’s and even early 80’s. You may have been told similar stories of how graduates got cars upon graduation, white collar jobs were already waiting for them to graduate amongst several other pecks that seems unbelievable in today’s reality. In those days, all you needed to liberate yourself and your family from sheer poverty and consuming despondency was a degree from a tertiary institution. Your degree or certificate was the ticket and the only ticket you needed to transfer from lack to plenty, from have-not to have. I once attended a course on Facilities Engineering, Operations and Maintenance Management and the facilitator corroborated my dad’s tale to me, he was a beneficiary of the account my dad told me. Engr X (name withheld), a graduate of University of Ibadan, in the department of chemical engineering in 1978, before he was shortlisted for NYSC, already had a job waiting in Shell, where he eventually worked for 33years before voluntarily resigning as a Lead Projects Engineer. This is only one out of several other examples. These kinds of stories were popular until the 90s’.

Then, something happened! Something that is better imagined than described. This thing that happened will suffice for a PhD thesis if you want to undertake a study on it. Let’s not go into that story.

These pecks and assurances of securing white collar jobs started fading away like a diffusing flame, thousands of graduates now have to write application letters, converge at stadiums to write aptitude tests for fifteen (15) vacant positions, amongst other unspeakable tendencies. More unfortunately is that the trend deteriorates every other day. A close comparism on what is obtainable between then and now reveals that the distance between the experience then and now can be liken to the distance between heaven and earth. Honestly, it is that far! Hence, when people argue on what use their formal certificates are if they can’t get a job with them in their own country; I listen along with a heavy heart, worried about the imminent consequence of this quagmire. This may be a title for another piece.

However, are formal certificates still guaranteed meal tickets? I will answer Yes without batting an eyelid. Are formal certificates a deceptive illusion? I will not answer No.

Firstly, jobs are still available even though they are only a few vacancies that will never go round. Hence, to the graduates or applicants who eventually get employed, the certificates have paid off. There are several ‘fortunate’ graduates whose stories support this claim. Recall that without the certificate, you do not qualify to contest in the first place. However, it is also not incorrect to say they are a deceptive illusion. This is evident in the thousands of graduates that are roaming the streets or under-employed and waiting for their miracle day, if it will ever come. This is then a two way bridge, one is wider, while the other; slender like the biblical road that leads to heaven.

What is the way to go?

Whether or not the job comes, education shouldn’t be replaced with anything. Going to school should be non-negotiable especially if you have the capacity to. Going by the current reality of this generation, disabuse your mind from considering formal certificates as the only guaranteed meal ticket. Having established that, re-adjust your mindset to be open to all options. After graduation, if the job comes; lucky you. If it doesn’t, re-strategize. There are several other options you can consider. Learn a skill; go into business (if you can), deliberately develop your gifts and passion. The education you have acquired puts you in a better position to organize your life. Start something, grow it and move your life on.

Moses Ilemona Ihiabe
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Libra38: 7:27am On Jul 14, 2016
italkmoses:
“For the sake of this article, a formal certificate is considered as the certificate obtained from a tertiary institution; whether Universities, Polytechnics, Monotechnics or other higher institutions of learning”.

Our country has evolved. She is still evolving. She has evolved in almost every sector. She has evolved into a tragic bad on one part and an astonishingly advanced enclave on the other part. The interest of this article pertains to the evolvement between our formal certificates and their relationship with guaranteed meal tickets.

There has been an age long debate that cuts across many generations in this country about whose generation is Nigeria better or worse. Some commentators proposed that the 1960s’, 1970s’, and 1980s’, Nigeria was the best. Younger generations said the 1990s and 2000s’ is better. Whatever indices must have been used to reach both conclusions will suffice for another fresh article. But I want to focus on what formal certificates meant between the earlier generations and what obtains in today’s reality.

It was my dad that told me about how first degree graduates were treated in the 60’s, 70’s and even early 80’s. You may have been told similar stories of how graduates got cars upon graduation, white collar jobs were already waiting for them to graduate amongst several other pecks that seems unbelievable in today’s reality. In those days, all you needed to liberate yourself and your family from sheer poverty and consuming despondency was a degree from a tertiary institution. Your degree or certificate was the ticket and the only ticket you needed to transfer from lack to plenty, from have-not to have. I once attended a course on Facilities Engineering, Operations and Maintenance Management and the facilitator corroborated my dad’s tale to me, he was a beneficiary of the account my dad told me. Engr X (name withheld), a graduate of University of Ibadan, in the department of chemical engineering in 1978, before he was shortlisted for NYSC, already had a job waiting in Shell, where he eventually worked for 33years before voluntarily resigning as a Lead Projects Engineer. This is only one out of several other examples. These kinds of stories were popular until the 90s’.

Then, something happened! Something that is better imagined than described. This thing that happened will suffice for a PhD thesis if you want to undertake a study on it. Let’s not go into that story.

These pecks and assurances of securing white collar jobs started fading away like a diffusing flame, thousands of graduates now have to write application letters, converge at stadiums to write aptitude tests for fifteen (15) vacant positions, amongst other unspeakable tendencies. More unfortunately is that the trend deteriorates every other day. A close comparism on what is obtainable between then and now reveals that the distance between the experience then and now can be liken to the distance between heaven and earth. Honestly, it is that far! Hence, when people argue on what use their formal certificates are if they can’t get a job with them in their own country; I listen along with a heavy heart, worried about the imminent consequence of this quagmire. This may be a title for another piece.

However, are formal certificates still guaranteed meal tickets? I will answer Yes without batting an eyelid. Are formal certificates a deceptive illusion? I will not answer No.

Firstly, jobs are still available even though they are only a few vacancies that will never go round. Hence, to the graduates or applicants who eventually get employed, the certificates have paid off. There are several ‘fortunate’ graduates whose stories support this claim. Recall that without the certificate, you do not qualify to contest in the first place. However, it is also not incorrect to say they are a deceptive illusion. This is evident in the thousands of graduates that are roaming the streets or under-employed and waiting for their miracle day, if it will ever come. This is then a two way bridge, one is wider, while the other; slender like the biblical road that leads to heaven.

What is the way to go?

Whether or not the job comes, education shouldn’t be replaced with anything. Going to school should be non-negotiable especially if you have the capacity to. Going by the current reality of this generation, disabuse your mind from considering formal certificates as the only guaranteed meal ticket. Having established that, re-adjust your mindset to be open to all options. After graduation, if the job comes; lucky you. If it doesn’t, re-strategize. There are several other options you can consider. Learn a skill; go into business (if you can), deliberately develop your gifts and passion. The education you have acquired puts you in a better position to organize your life. Start something, grow it and move your life on.

Moses Ilemona Ihiabe

Omaye, Ojo ki denyo we (God bless you my brother).
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by 2sexynet: 7:32am On Jul 14, 2016
phemmyfour:
I don't think you ll find one. Nigeria economy is oil driven
lol... you lack the right information.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by phemmyfour: 7:35am On Jul 14, 2016
2sexynet:
lol... you lack the right information.
get off my mentions and stop jumping into discussion.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by oglalasioux(m): 7:40am On Jul 14, 2016
The problem with us is over population without the corresponding plans to cushion it. Back in the 60s to early 80s the population was manageable until the explosion of the last three decades.

The infrastructure to handle the population is the bane of the problems we have. Our leaders fill their pockets instead of planning for the future while we, the populace, go on to sire more children and marry as many wives as possible.

Stigma against unmarried people, criminality of abortion, bad child adoption system, discrimination against same sex marriages and celebrating many children as a blessing from God are some of the reasons our population will burst at the seams in the near future unless we change our mindset. If not, what we are experiencing today in black Africa will be picnic to what future generations will face.

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by lillies: 7:47am On Jul 14, 2016
Is there a dept of chemical engineering in UI?
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by 2sexynet: 7:49am On Jul 14, 2016
phemmyfour:
get off my mentions and stop jumping into discussion.
k
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by 2sexynet: 7:50am On Jul 14, 2016
oglalasioux:
The problem with us is over population without the corresponding plans to cushion it. Back in the 60s to early 80s the population was manageable until the explosion of the last three decades.

The infrastructure to handle the population is the bane of the problems we have. Our leaders fill their pockets instead of planning for the future while we, the populace, go on to sire more children and marry as many wives as possible.

Stigma against unmarried people, criminality of abortion, bad child adoption system, discrimination against same sex marriages and celebrating many children as a blessing from God are some of the reasons our population will burst at the seams in the near future unless we change our mindset. If not, what we are experiencing today in black Africa will be picnic to what future generations will face.
Why wouldn't there be over population when Nigerians are very good at producing kids at an alarming rate and without making good foundation for kids.

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Izonpikin: 7:59am On Jul 14, 2016
it shows nigeria gradually got worse of each passing day..too bad...i remember my uncle who had a school cert working with agip and retiring after 35 years of working with the company..today with a first class in bsc and distinctions in msc getting into agip is as hard as olumo rock... embarassed embarassed embarassed

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Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by italkmoses(m): 8:10am On Jul 14, 2016
2sexynet:
I am always proud of you bro. smiley You have really grown into sophisticated personality. Just put a call through to your brother now after seeing this.

Keep the energy brighter.

I greet you Bros. I didn't even know that the post made frontpage. Truly, Formal Certificates are overated. People need to know this.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Xtopher123(m): 8:11am On Jul 14, 2016
The days have evolved where the Formal Certificate ain't no guaranteed Meal ticket no more.

Recent times if not for the sake of Having the Qualification before actually applying for a said Job, its almost irrelevant to attend a higher institution..

Because most Organisations have moved beyond what's written on papers to what's actually coming out from the brain.. Google for instance is said to have about 22% of their employees who dropped out of higher institution or never attended one at any time..

These days those certificates can be bought, and I feel since there's a compromise then there should be another alternative to it..

In my own words 'You don't have to go to higher institution to become who you want to be'
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by italkmoses(m): 8:13am On Jul 14, 2016
Libra38:

Omaye, Ojo ki denyo we (God bless you my brother).
Agba, ola uko'lo.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by banmee(m): 8:13am On Jul 14, 2016
ednut1:
All these are just signs of end Times cheesy. Times have changed. Person gogo UK go spend 7m on masters yet come back to dey hustle job with pple with only bsc dey write shl nd dragnet upandan. E go beta

Times have not changed. Nigeria has always been like this.

@italkmoses, your dad lied to you. All you need do is listen to fela's songs and compare with what is happening today in Nigeria. Also check out the year of the release of the songs. You'll find that nothing has changed since independence.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by italkmoses(m): 8:16am On Jul 14, 2016
banmee:


Times have not changed. Nigeria has always been like this.

@italkmoses, your dad lied to you. All you need do is listen to fela's songs and compare with what is happening today in Nigeria. Also check out the year of the release of the songs. You'll find that nothing has changed since independence.

Are you sure you took your time to read this article?
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by banmee(m): 8:19am On Jul 14, 2016
italkmoses:


Are you sure you took your time to read this article?

Are you sure you read what you wrote? you want me to quote the relevant part that complements my comment?
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by Ataidara: 8:25am On Jul 14, 2016
Education is non-negotiable. Certificate is negotiable. They aren't same.
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by italkmoses(m): 8:26am On Jul 14, 2016
Wao... I didn't even know that the article had landed on frontpage. Congratulations to me.
Thank you guys for your comments and positions on the matter...
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by italkmoses(m): 8:28am On Jul 14, 2016
banmee:


Are you sure you read what you wrote? you want me to quote the relevant part that complements my comment?

Please go ahead
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by banmee(m): 8:30am On Jul 14, 2016
italkmoses:


Please go ahead
italkmoses:
“For the sake of this article, a formal certificate is considered as the certificate obtained from a tertiary institution; whether Universities, Polytechnics, Monotechnics or other higher institutions of learning”.

Our country has evolved. She is still evolving. She has evolved in almost every sector. She has evolved into a tragic bad on one part and an astonishingly advanced enclave on the other part. The interest of this article pertains to the evolvement between our formal certificates and their relationship with guaranteed meal tickets.

There has been an age long debate that cuts across many generations in this country about whose generation is Nigeria better or worse. Some commentators proposed that the 1960s’, 1970s’, and 1980s’, Nigeria was the best. Younger generations said the 1990s and 2000s’ is better. Whatever indices must have been used to reach both conclusions will suffice for another fresh article. But I want to focus on what formal certificates meant between the earlier generations and what obtains in today’s reality.

It was my dad that told me about how first degree graduates were treated in the 60’s, 70’s and even early 80’s. You may have been told similar stories of how graduates got cars upon graduation, white collar jobs were already waiting for them to graduate amongst several other pecks that seems unbelievable in today’s reality. In those days, all you needed to liberate yourself and your family from sheer poverty and consuming despondency was a degree from a tertiary institution. Your degree or certificate was the ticket and the only ticket you needed to transfer from lack to plenty, from have-not to have. I once attended a course on Facilities Engineering, Operations and Maintenance Management and the facilitator corroborated my dad’s tale to me, he was a beneficiary of the account my dad told me. Engr X (name withheld), a graduate of University of Ibadan, in the department of chemical engineering in 1978, before he was shortlisted for NYSC, already had a job waiting in Shell, where he eventually worked for 33years before voluntarily resigning as a Lead Projects Engineer. This is only one out of several other examples. These kinds of stories were popular until the 90s’.

Then, something happened! Something that is better imagined than described. This thing that happened will suffice for a PhD thesis if you want to undertake a study on it. Let’s not go into that story.

These pecks and assurances of securing white collar jobs started fading away like a diffusing flame, thousands of graduates now have to write application letters, converge at stadiums to write aptitude tests for fifteen (15) vacant positions, amongst other unspeakable tendencies. More unfortunately is that the trend deteriorates every other day. A close comparism on what is obtainable between then and now reveals that the distance between the experience then and now can be liken to the distance between heaven and earth. Honestly, it is that far! Hence, when people argue on what use their formal certificates are if they can’t get a job with them in their own country; I listen along with a heavy heart, worried about the imminent consequence of this quagmire. This may be a title for another piece.

However, are formal certificates still guaranteed meal tickets? I will answer Yes without batting an eyelid. Are formal certificates a deceptive illusion? I will not answer No.

Firstly, jobs are still available even though they are only a few vacancies that will never go round. Hence, to the graduates or applicants who eventually get employed, the certificates have paid off. There are several ‘fortunate’ graduates whose stories support this claim. Recall that without the certificate, you do not qualify to contest in the first place. However, it is also not incorrect to say they are a deceptive illusion. This is evident in the thousands of graduates that are roaming the streets or under-employed and waiting for their miracle day, if it will ever come. This is then a two way bridge, one is wider, while the other; slender like the biblical road that leads to heaven.

What is the way to go?

Whether or not the job comes, education shouldn’t be replaced with anything. Going to school should be non-negotiable especially if you have the capacity to. Going by the current reality of this generation, disabuse your mind from considering formal certificates as the only guaranteed meal ticket. Having established that, re-adjust your mindset to be open to all options. After graduation, if the job comes; lucky you. If it doesn’t, re-strategize. There are several other options you can consider. Learn a skill; go into business (if you can), deliberately develop your gifts and passion. The education you have acquired puts you in a better position to organize your life. Start something, grow it and move your life on.

Moses Ilemona Ihiabe
Re: Formal Certificates- A Guaranteed Meal Ticket Or A Deceptive Illusion? by InvertedHammer: 8:36am On Jul 14, 2016
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It is a deceptive illusion.

Certificate is just a way to thin out the herd.

Education means to acquire knowledge and not to acquire certificate. Wealth is power and the most formally educated are not the most powerful. Bill Gates and Zuckerberg have no formal college certificates but they acquired knowledge.

Some certificates are not worth the papers they are written on. But the illusion must continue.

Millions of Ph.D holders in Nigeria but Buhari is the president. Do I need to say more?

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