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Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:04am On Jul 14, 2016 |
tempem:You can't "see" something evolving now....... Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability. But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics. And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Niflheim(m): 9:04am On Jul 14, 2016 |
@Naijadeyhia, Mammoths existed before elephants?!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! That's like saying that polar bears existed before grizzly bears!!!..........................IT IS ALSO A VERY WRONG THING TO SAY!!! |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:08am On Jul 14, 2016 |
Niflheim: I thank God for this thread because it shows the misconceptions many people have had about evolution even the die hard supporters of it. Man does not have a tail bone. Its not a useless appendage that came from an ape. Darwin named it a coccyx after a cuckoo bird because it looked like the beak of that bird and he thought that since it a monkey has a tail then we must have lost ours hence the short lefr over bone. The coccyx serves as an attachment site for tendons, ligaments, and muscles. It also functions as an insertion point of some of the muscles of the pelvic floor. The coccyx also functions to support and stabilize a person while he or she is in a sitting position. It has nothing to do with a tail or a lost tail. Get that right. I do not believe mammoths and elephants share the same ancestor but had to use your belief to ask u that question. Neither do I believe man came from apes. I think you need to read every page of this thread from the beginning so you would understand how impossible that is especially in my response to seun. So because we have same number of fingers with apes means we came from them? Assuming I tag along with you on this route so dobdogs and cats share the same number of ligaments on their paw? Yes they do but do they share ancestral origins? No! Does an eagle and a vulture share the same number of limbs and claws? Yes they do but same ancestry? No! If you want to understand evolution learn to look at it holistically and not in isolated cases. If everything does not fall in place perfectly then the singular assumption of one coning from the holistic pattern is flawed. 1 Like |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Niflheim(m): 9:08am On Jul 14, 2016 |
@Naijadeyhia, I am still here, I ain't going anywhere!!! Infact, I am moving right next door to you!!!..............................Oh, and by the way, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY "YES" OR "NO" QUESTION?!!! |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:09am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:11am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: You call it neanderthal DNA yet you say they were killed off. So if they were killed off what then did theg compare their DNA with to conclude they were actually neanderthals? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:13am On Jul 14, 2016 |
Niflheim: Wrong thing you say? So where are the mammoths? At least we still have elephants so where are the mammoths? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:14am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: They cross- checked the fossil remains of the Neanderthals to that of people in S.E asia. It's really simple. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:15am On Jul 14, 2016 |
[quote author=naijadeyhia post=47524719][/quote] It won't do for me to tell you about it. Read it up yourself. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by tempem: 9:17am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Just hear yourself! If nature isn't stable now, what probability do you have that it was extensively stable back then to have produced the most simplest cell which scientists believed isn't simple. 2 Likes |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:21am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Fosil records? Do you even know how DNA works or what it is? If you did then you would not even mention fosil records. Let me help you. We share 98% of our DNA with apes and just that missing 2% DNA which is about 3 billion chromosomes is what accounts for our intelligence, learning ability, speech and languages and ability to plan and execute the most difficult of things. Fosils and DNA have no link. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:23am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:27am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: If nature itself was chaotic then and you say nature resists change how do you think in all that chaos and natures resistant ability change actually could occur |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:27am On Jul 14, 2016 |
tempem: First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis. Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa. C'mon I said |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by tempem: 9:35am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere:So, bro. You meant there has never been nature in stability, Right? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:36am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Evolution does not deal with modification Bro. It deals with actual change. Evolution is change in the heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules.[3] All life on Earth share a common ancestor known as the last universal ancestor,[4][5][6] which lived approximately 3.5–3.8 billion years ago,[7] although a study in 2015 found "remains of biotic life" from 4.1 billion years ago in ancient rocks in Western Australia.[8][9] Repeated formation of new species (speciation), change within species (anagenesis), and loss of species (extinction) throughout the evolutionary history of life on Earth are demonstrated by shared sets of morphological and biochemical traits, including shared DNA sequences That is from Wikipedia 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by tempem: 9:41am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere:The basic truth is, you still haven't gotten a firm hold on what evolution is all about. Even if I were to take your own personal definition of evolution, what accounted for the first organism that modification had to occur from 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 9:47am On Jul 14, 2016 |
C tempem: A guy after my own heart. I love the way you are reasoning. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by tempem: 9:58am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: ![]() Keeping tight, bro.. We still rock on. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:26am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: DNA has been found in Fossil records. A google search is all you need. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:30am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: See your problem? This is why I asked you if you knew about DNA and its functions. The text book definition of DNA is just so people could have some degree of understanding but it does not give you details. Listen! What other DNA was this Fosil DNA compared with in perfection and free of error to arrive at what they thought that fosil was? 1 Like |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:30am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Yes, yes, all you stated was the long definition. The REASON why speciation, heritable changes, accquired traits occur, is to combat the natural struggles of the species and to combat enivornmental change. 1 Like |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:32am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Example: for you to say a certain DNA belongs specifically to a tortoise you must have a living sample that would not only match via DNA but would be living proof that DNA came from it. So where is the LIVING proof of what that DNA represents or represented. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:35am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: So you agree evolution is about change? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:35am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Nature is not chaotic, where did you get this notion from. Nature is STABLE. A block of ice doesn't change easily to water because it likes STABILITY. Salt molecules tend to form cubic crystals because that's the best way to be packed into a stable bond formation and so on........ Any change must be accompained by a coressponding increase in energy, greater than the natural "inertia" of the enivornment. Evolution represents Change. A different order from which nature has known. That's why it tends to occur slowly, for nature herself fights it. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:37am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia:Of course. A very long slow kind of change. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:39am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: The similarities between the two organisms will be overwhemingly high. Something like a 99.88 percent. (don't forget 2 percent does something important, like you said). Besides, the bones found, the cavities located and their similarites to living animals; the estimated age, location of the fossils and a myraid of other factors determine such identifications. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:40am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Do salt crystals change on their own? Does iceblock melt on its own? If the answer is no and we all came from one single celled ancestor WHAT TRIGGERED THE FIRST EVOLUTION OR CHANGE especially since no scientist know anything about the environmental conditions or atmospheric conditions millions of years ago and have always only assumed? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:42am On Jul 14, 2016 |
naijadeyhia: Do you know the steps involved in the identification of fossil organisms?? I guess we should start there. |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:42am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Similarity isnt an exact representation. I asked for LIVING PROOF of the same organism with a DNA match and not similarities. Is there any? |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:43am On Jul 14, 2016 |
SirWere: Would there even be a fossil if there is no DNA let's start there. I think that is a better place to begin |
Re: A Question To Atheists Who Believe In Evolution. Help me. by Nobody: 10:43am On Jul 14, 2016 |
tempem: Again, brother, evolution has absolutely nothing to say about how the first cell occured. It only talks about what happened after the first cell occured. The branch of biology dealing with the problem of the first cell is abiogenesis, bro. |
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