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okay, who is the only one true God ? @ underlined. this is enough to expose you



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Jesus and his father are one God. Do u understand? Not two.

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s][s]you just prove my point, two persons cannot be the same God. [/s] [[/s]b] this is more evident from the truth that One is the God of another ( the Father is the God of Jesus ) , this won't happen if both are same God
[/b] . get that into your head!

@ cancelled who told u so? Ur small human mind abi?
The father is the God of Jesus only because Jesus became a man. Hope u won't dispute again. Shallom

It seems everyone is on holiday's at the moment-usually when it's quite, soon the thunder will roar, and the Almighty Jesus will raise up once more-and caste His anointing over His people-and the war begins with a bang against the principalities and against the darkness in this world.
But I am sure we Christians need a break a resting period from these unbelieving so called Christians we have on this site.
Everyone who can twist and turn the scriptures around as good as the JW's might as well call themselves atheist.
Neither are they Hot nor are they Cold in the word of God, but lukewarm, people that don't matter in any religion, only to themselves they glorify their own. www.watchtowerorganisation.com.

dolphinheart:

well , I hope everyone can now see that the accusations layed against me is false, and rantings will not make it true!
as long as he could not post the full text of that post for all to see and come to their own conclusion, his words would be viewed as another desperate attempt to find fault in anyway possible.

More lies of course and wishful thinking from lie lie dolphinheart.

CAPTIVATOR:




okay, who is the only one true God ? @ underlined. this is enough to expose you

ha ha exposed by false jw, that'll be the day.

You haven't a clue even with the verse telling you,
God and the Word is God

CAPTIVATOR:



you just prove my point, two persons cannot be the same God. this is more evident from the truth that One is the God of another ( the Father is the God of Jesus ) , this won't happen if both are same God
. get that into your head!

Look we know you don't understand the Bible and you cannot understand the Bible,
the Holy Spirit is needed and a power can't do it, it takes God.
And of course changing what the Bible says, having false man made doctrines etc. shows you are satans disciples.

I was going to say just believe the Bible, but as if that would happen.

dolphinheart:

I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that I did not say "a two headed god"

you say you never said "a two headed god"
Here is your full sentence, quoted exactly, copied and pasted from your post with nothing taken out and nothing added

Dolphinheart:

it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!.

what a lie lie you are.

dolphinheart:
he has not been able to produce where I said "god and the word is a two headed god"

aah, but I did, in my last post to you just for one, I will quote it again at the end of this.

dolphinheart:

why can't you post the full text of my posts, ? WHYYYYYYY!

because I'm noy interisted in your false doctrine about Jesus being "a god" "an angel"
I have told you and captivator that many times, but false jw loves to lie.

dolphinheart:
was I talking about God and jesus when I told you about your god ? no ,

Yes you was lie lie, you said: "if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

dolphinheart:
You just said we should look at my own exact words , but the bolded above are not from me, they are words added at the beginning and middle of my words to try and give my own words a different direction and meaning. The tactic will not work johnw74,

No end to your lies and deceiving, if you cannot see the diffrence there between your words in "these" and my words, you just show again how you have been blinded.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

dolphinheart:
I will tell you this once you retract your false accusation, this is what you should have done first before accusing me falsely and before altering, omitING and adding to my words.

No lie lie I haven't done any of that to your quote, you are talking about yourself again,
and you have been blinded and cannot see where your quote ends and my words begin.

I posted your quote of what you said, showing it's clear that you were referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god". I even asked you to tell who you was referring to as "a two headed god" if you were not referring to God and the Word, and even to that simple question you cannot answer who you were referring to, because we all know, don't we lie lie.

dolphinheart you big lie lie

johnw74:
To all of false jw dolphinhearts above confusion and continued and repeated twisting of words which is lies,
and to the lengthy posts designed to get away from the simple matter at hand, and that is that false jw dolphinheart called God and the Word "a two headed god".

lie lie is playing on words, which is lying, he uses every means of lying known,
he said he didn't say God and the Word is a two headed god, while using words that mean the same thing,
it's just another way of lying,
so lets use his exact words.


The opening post was about John 1:1, and God and the Word, and the Word being God

You lie lie dolphinheart said:
"it has been established that God and Jesus are two different persons, there if you make Jesus to be that same God, then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

You are talking off "God and Jesus",

and you said: "if you make Jesus to be that same God"

as John 1:1 makes Jesus to be that same God, and as the opening post is about

"then your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."



Of course it's very clear to all except those entrenched in lies, that you were referring to God and the Word as "a two headed god", but twist your words some more lie lie, and tell me who you are calling "a two headed god" if not the Word being that same God, if not Jesus being that same God.

Who was you referring to as "a two headed god" if not God and the Word?

Truth doesn't require a long and evasive post,
just a honest answer, like:

I was referring to "God and the Word" being a two headed God
or
I was referring to "Tom and Jerry" being a two headed god.

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Scripture that said Jesus and his Father are " ONE GOD " ?

* the Father is the God of Jesus ! anytime, anyday . this won't be possible if they are the same God. comprehend ?

johnw74:


ha ha exposed by false jw, that'll be the day.

You haven't a clue even with the verse telling you,
God and the Word is God

you are scared of been exposed , again I ask : who is the only true God ?

Look we know you don't understand the Bible and you cannot understand the Bible,
the Holy Spirit is needed and a power can't do it, it takes God.
And of course changing what the Bible says, having false man made doctrines etc. shows you are satans disciples.

I was going to say just believe the Bible, but as if that would happen.

haba, simple scriptural analysis . the scripture itself proves u lied when it said THE FATHER is the God of Jesus . thus proving they are. not the same God .

solite3:
don't lie John I:1 clearly refers to Jesus as God.

God in what sense pls ? MOST HIGH ?. Because the same scripture refer to humans , Satan as God too.

It doesn't matter what we think what matter is the scriptures we then adjust our human thinking to God's word not the other way round. No wonder you added 'a god' to ur bible.

ur human thinking is that Jesus and his father are same God , and the scripture proves that false when it said The Father is the God of Jesus . simple and clear point showing they are not the same God as u proposed . so adjust

CAPTIVATOR:


you are scared of been exposed , again I ask : who is the only true God ?

duh, I told you, God and the Word, and like other false jw you cannot see it, false jw are blinded by satan
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

CAPTIVATOR:
haba, simple scriptural analysis . the scripture itself proves u lied when it said THE FATHER is the God of Jesus . thus proving they are. not the same God .

God is one
Jesus is one with the Father, they are two persons one God, but satans disciples cannot possibly see or understand, as you keep showing.

Truly God and the Word is God, but you don't believe the Bible and change it,
you say I lied, but you in fact said the Bible is lies, because that's where I get my beliefs, here it is again that say's the Word is God,
and which satans disciples say is a lie:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

all false jw can do is lie, and change the Bible to fit their false doctrines.


Jesus said to the pahrisees, and of course it applies to todays pharasee jw's:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

CAPTIVATOR:


Scripture that said Jesus and his Father are " ONE GOD " ?

* the Father is the God of Jesus ! anytime, anyday . this won't be possible if they are the same God. comprehend ?

solite told you that John 1:1 tells of God and the Word being God, your elders changed your Bible to sat the Word was "a god"
and you would obviously believe anything that's not the truth to support the false doctrines that they also taught you,
you are the one who cannot comprehend, false jw have this in common, they love to lie.

You have come to this thread to disrupt and take the spotlight of lie lie dolphinheart who is so entrenched in his lies that
he doesn't even know what he is saying now most of the time, that's what satan does to his followers, he is not your friend.

false jw lie so much and they support each other in their lies.

CAPTIVATOR:


Scripture that said Jesus and his Father are " ONE GOD " ?

* the Father is the God of Jesus ! anytime, anyday . this won't be possible if they are the same God. comprehend ?

just like the pharisee always looking for signs even when the saw it didn't believe. Don't u have ur bible? Read John I: 1 is it not boldly written that the word is God? Except Satan has deceived you as he deceived eve. Yes Jesus boldly said I and my father are one and the pharisee knew what Jesus was talking about, immediately they took up stones to stone him because he was making himself equal to God. Even the devils know whom he is! But u are so blind!
U are funny sha saying it is impossible but remember with God nothing shall be impossible. Stop limiting the holy one of is real like the is realities did in the wilderness saying CAN GOD PROVIDE FOOD IN THE WILDERNESSES? Remember sin against the holy spirit there is no forgiveness.

CAPTIVATOR:


God in what sense pls ? MOST HIGH ?. Because the same scripture refer to humans , Satan as God too.

solite has already explained but false jw love to lie and repeat their lies

There is only one true God, God and the Word is God as scripture shows

"humans"
and your "satan"
and your "a god"
and your "an angel"
and your two god's "an almighty god" who is your false jehovah, and a "mighty god" who is your false jesus.
are all false god's

There is one true God, not two or many

CAPTIVATOR:
ur human thinking is that Jesus and his father are same God , and the scripture proves that false when it said The Father is the God of Jesus . simple and clear point showing they are not the same God as u proposed . so adjust

I have posted many scriptures on these things and on your other false doctrines as well, which satans disciples of course did not believe


about Jesus calling Father God read at link below, also there's much more on it if you really want to know which you don't,
but I post for the benefit of those who do want to know.

Jesus called Father God

Just read {John 1:1} this scripture spells it out pretty clearly who is the "ONE GOD"
Of course your bible says otherwise-but as we all know, you don't know-what we know, and the Spirit of God is not in you-for you to know.

CAPTIVATOR:


Scripture that said Jesus and his Father are " ONE GOD " ?

* the Father is the God of Jesus ! anytime, anyday . this won't be possible if they are the same God. comprehend ?

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God in what sense pls ? MOST HIGH ?. Because the same scripture refer to humans , [s]Satan as God too.

God in what sense? How many gods do u serve? I won't be surprised if u worship other gods. Satan is not god! And no man is god!

[s]ur human thinking is that[/s] Jesus and his father are same God , and the scripture proves that false when it said The Father is the God of Jesus . simple and clear point showing they are not the same God as u proposed . so adjust

it is clearly written that Jesus is God. U re just denying God's word I pity u!

brocab:
Just read {John 1:1} this scripture spells it out pretty clearly who is the "ONE GOD"
Of course your bible says otherwise-but as we all know, you don't know-what we know, and the Spirit of God is not in you-for you to know.

Bro, does john 1:1 and 1: 14 harmonize?
Am not just getting it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Who was the Word/ God?

Answer
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. Jesus is the Word.
Obviously, going by John 1:1.. . That identifies Jesus to be God" and not "a god", right?

solite3:
really do you believe that the name of Jesus is the highest name both in heaven and on earth
Do you believe only Jesus has the power to give eternal life?
@ cancelled that is your problem you go beyond the scriptures and then bring in daminable heresies to fill your lust
Do you believe in God's own witness that eternal life is in Christ and not in your organization?
Christians who simply believe in christ, don't you believe they have eternal life through him?
U quoted 1 Tim 2:5,6 do you believe Jesus is a man and God and not an angel?
No sir! Jehovah witnesses do not know the source of life and this is not a false claim


The big question to Jehovah witness is,
DO YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST?
Look at what Jesus said
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long with you, and yet hast thou not know me, Philip? he that has seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then, she's us the father
U cannot know who the father is, when you consistently deny who the son really is.

In vs 10 Jesus made it bold that he is in the father and the father is in him
In john10:30 he made it clear that he and the father are one.
But just like Philip u want to know the father outside Christ not knowing that the father himself is in Christ and Christ in him.

Knowing the truth of the bible is not easy. It is very hard as it has always been since the creation of man on earth to grasp the import of the bible's prophecies. Ask yourself ( from your own statement) "really do you believe that the name of Jesus is the highest name both in heaven and on earth", Philippians 2:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1. who gave Jesus that name above every other name? 2. Would a father give authority to his son and then be under his son's decree? and 3. as Christ is answerable to Jehovah, is Jehovah answerable to Jesus also?

tempem:

Bro, does john 1:1 and 1: 14 harmonize?
Am not just getting it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Who was the Word/ God?

Answer
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. Jesus is the Word.
Obviously, going by John 1:1.. . That identifies Jesus to be God" and not "a god", right?

After you read John 1:1, try and not skip verse 2 then explain it to us.

Parallel Verses
New International Version
He was with God in the beginning.

New Living Translation
He existed in the beginning with God.

English Standard Version
He was in the beginning with God.

Berean Study Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

New American Standard Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

King James Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.

andymoorey:
After you read John 1:1, try and not skip verse 2 then explain it to us.

Parallel Verses
New International Version
He was with God in the beginning.

New Living Translation
He existed in the beginning with God.

English Standard Version
He was in the beginning with God.

Berean Study Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

New American Standard Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

King James Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.

Am not arguing that out.. What am seeing are two different entity. But I want to be sure if Kjv rendering harmonizes with other Apostle John's statement.
I started with the basics, at least everysane human going by Kjv rendering of Jonh 1:1 would believe John referred Jesus as God.. . But does further statements proves that something is wrong with Kjv rendering?

Brocab, please come to my aid.. You are viewing.

Right on brother {John 1:1} spells it out pretty clear, that Jesus isn't just a God" He is "the God" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God-Jesus kept on repeating Himself I and the Father are One.
So if this doesn't answer your Questionnaire, then nothing will.
If I was an JW atheist then I couldn't believe in such knowledge-because this knowledge doesn't come from the world, this knowledge can only come from the Spirit of God, the Almighty reveals such wisdom and knowledge into those who have chosen to believe, my flesh and my mind is carnal {Romans 8:6-7} The mind govern by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
{1 Corinthians 6:17} but whoever is united with the Lord is one with Him in Spirit.
So this information I give to you, does not come from my flesh, but the Spirit of God in me reveals this to you.

tempem:

Bro, does john 1:1 and 1: 14 harmonize?
Am not just getting it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Who was the Word/ God?

Answer
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. Jesus is the Word.
Obviously, going by John 1:1.. . That identifies Jesus to be God" and not "a god", right?

brocab:
Right on brother {John 1:1} spells it out pretty clear, that Jesus isn't just a God" He is "the God" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God-Jesus kept on repeating Himself I and the Father are One.
So if this doesn't answer your Questionnaire, then nothing will.
If I was an JW atheist then I couldn't believe in such knowledge-because this knowledge doesn't come from the world, this knowledge can only come from the Spirit of God, the Almighty reveals such wisdom and knowledge into those who have chosen to believe, my flesh and my mind is carnal {Romans 8:6-7} The mind govern by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
{1 Corinthians 6:17} but whoever is united with the Lord is one with Him in Spirit.
So this information I give to you, does not come from my flesh, but the Spirit of God in me reveals this to you.

Are you really here for me.. .
Please,are you?
Just answer me, If I was right with that my initial quote you mentioned. That's what I seek for.

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Am not arguing that out.. What am seeing are two different entity. But I want to be sure if Kjv rendering harmonizes with other Apostle John's statement.
id in he garden of eden. So there is Jehovah God the maker of heaven and earth and the witnesses believe in Jesus Christ also but as Jehovah's first and only creature as found in colossians 1:15-20,
15 He is the image of the invisible God,+ the firstborn of all creation;+ 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things,+ and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him,+ 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all other things+ by making peace through the blood+ he shed on the torture stake,* whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens.
That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.

How he is the “only-begotten Son.” Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:4-7) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense, even as Isaac was Abraham’s “only-begotten son” in a particular sense (his father already having another son but not by his wife Sarah).—Heb 11:17; Ge 16:15.

John 1:1 as saying: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Literally the Greek text reads: “In beginning was the word, and the word was toward the god, and god was the word.” The translator must supply capitals as needed in the language into which he translates the text. It is clearly proper to capitalize “God” in translating the phrase “the god,” since this must identify the Almighty God with whom the Word was. But the capitalizing of the word “god” in the second case does not have the same justification.

The New World Translation renders this text: “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” True, there is no indefinite article (corresponding to “a” or “an”) in the original Greek text. But this does not mean one should not be used in translation, for Koine, or common Greek, had no indefinite article. Hence, throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures, translators are obliged to use the indefinite article or not according to their understanding of the meaning of the text. All English translations of those Scriptures do contain the indefinite article hundreds of times; yet most do not use it at John 1:1. Nevertheless, its use in the rendering of this text has sound basis.

Let's try and correlate the message the bible try to transmit.

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I did appreciate this.

I'm indeed concerned about John's statement at John 1:1 and John 1:14, then other John's statement...
My translation focus is Kjv. Thanks.
Other bible's verses might suit another thread. Thanks.
If you can explain this, ride on.. But before you continue. I'd love to see brocab answer me first, he's emphazied on Kjv.

But even in the Garden of Eden how many people did Adam see? "One" Adam said He had seen the Lord God walking in the Garden-before Adam was made, God Said Let Us make man into our own Image-who was God talking too? And who is Us?
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brocab:
But even in the Garden of Eden how many people did Adam see? "One" Adam said He had seen the Lord God walking in the Garden-before Adam was made, God Said Let Us make man into our own Image-who was God talking too? And who is Us?

Brocab, I'll assume you haven't seen my mention.

Explain to me clearly in which way you would like me to explain this scripture to you. I think the KJV's spells this verse out as it sounds.
Their are many bibles that explains it the same as the KJ's, And If you are asking me to agree with you about {John 1:1} and John 1:14} yes you are right-you can clearly see the scripture and you believe, I believe it too.
{Amplified Bible John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the Word {Christ} and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
So until you explain to me what actually how you would like me to answer your question, then nothing I write would make any sense to you. unless you are a born again Christian? I read a little above and you are trying to work this out with your own fleshly mind, a JW indeed.

tempem:


Are you really here for me.. .
Please,are you?
Just answer me, If I was right with that my initial quote you mentioned. That's what I seek for.

brocab:
Explain to me clearly in which way you would like me to explain this scripture to you. I think the KJV's spells this verse out as it sounds.
Their are many bibles that explains it the same as the KJ's, And If you are asking me to agree with you about {John 1:1} and John 1:14} yes you are right-you can clearly see the scripture and you believe, I believe it too.
{Amplified Bible John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the Word {Christ} and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
So until you explain to me what actually how you would like me to answer your question, then nothing I write would make any sense to you. unless you are a born again Christian?

That's cool. Cleared Christ is referred to as God.

But, what does john later meant in verse 18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Which God is john talking about again?
Jesus?

{John 1:18} NIV Bible-No one has seen God at anytime, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God.
It's only through Jesus you can see God.
{John 14:8} Philip said, "Lord" show us the Father and that will be enough for us, Jesus replied, Philip I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me, has seen the Father. How can you say show us the Father. because in {1 john and John 1:18} clearly states no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit.
And if God's Spirit resides in His Son then the Son and His Father are One. I and the Father are One.
Now this is cool.
{Isiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:22} Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, Behold the Virgin shall conceive a Son, And shall call Him Immanuel In the New Testament {Matthew 1:23} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled this important Prophesy.
{Isiah 9:6} For us a Child is born, to us a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful councillor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, prince of peace.
Jesus came to earth as Immanuel, meaning God with us..

tempem:

That's cool. Cleared Christ is referred to as God.

But, what does john later meant in verse 18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Which God is john talking about again?
Jesus?

brocab:
{John 1:18} NIV Bible-No one has seen God at anytime, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God.
It's only through Jesus you can see God.
{John 14:8} Philip said, "Lord" show us the Father and that will be enough for us, Jesus replied, Philip I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me, has seen the Father. How can you say show us the Father. because in {1 john and John 1:18} clearly states no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit.
And if God's Spirit resides in His Son then the Son and His Father are One. I and the Father are One.
Now this is cool.

I don't want to comment on that now bro.

Don't lets deviate, we are taking Kjv in sight.
Don't forget I told you am interested in Kjv translation... thanks..
Oya back to my question.
I'm sincerely seeking for the plain fact, bro.

I find this out of texts when are you JW's ever interested in the KJV, it's your bible or no bible you believe in.
Forget the KJ read the 1611 version, this should give you a better insight how the bible was translated from the Latin language to the English version, and to have so many correct manuscripts, that is translated-shows the flesh can't answer your questions but the Spirit of God can.
If you are sincerely seeking for the Plain facts, bro, then become a born again Christian as the word of God tells you to be, and then try and question your own answers. Its only the word of God that sets you free. And if you still refuse to believe then Look up {Isaiah 7:14} Behold a Virgin shall conceive a Son and His name Shall be Called Immanuel {Meaning God with us} {Matthew 1:22} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled the Prophesy.
{Isaiah 9:6} Describes Jesus "And for us a child shall be born to us a Son shall be given "His name shall be called Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father Prince of peace".
And please explain why these scriptures are calling Jesus these names {Revelation 1:8, 17-18} Again the bible is describing Jesus as the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty, and if no-one has seen God at anytime-As you have agreed on-then of course these scriptures are only referring to Jesus?
So what does this mean? You yourself have agreed God isn't a person-because no-one has seen God at anytime.

tempem:

I don't want to comment on that now bro.

Don't lets deviate, we are taking Kjv in sight.
Don't forget I told you am interested in Kjv translation... thanks..
Oya back to my question.
I'm sincerely seeking for the plain fact, bro.

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Knowing the truth of the bible is not easy. It is very hard as it has always been since the creation of man on earth to grasp the import of the bible's prophecies.

no sir the truth is not hard at all only when you want to twist it, it becomes hard. John 1:1 is not prophecy it is as clear as black and white. When God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit was it rocket science but you have made the word of God of no effect by your traditions

Ask yourself ( from your own statement) "really do you believe that the name of Jesus is the highest name both in heaven and on earth", [/b]Philippians 2:9-11New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Christ! I can't believe my eyes but I m not surprised you are not a christian like you said you are false witnesses. @bold it is not just what I believe but what d verse you posted is. U av been blinded to believe the bible is hard!

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[b]Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

@ bold what is this? What is the highest place? It didn't say higher place but highest place God gave him a name above how many names? Ehh
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that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

o my God! So every knee would bow to Jesus I tot exodus20:5 says we should not bow down to any other gods but now God is commanding all the universe to bow down to Jesus

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and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

every tongue will confess who as Lord? Can you answer

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s]1. who gave Jesus that name above every other name? 2. Would a father give authority to his son and then be under his son's decree? and 3. as Christ is answerable to Jehovah, is Jehovah answerable to Jesus also?[/s]

the question should have been why would God give another his own honor? except that Jesus and God are one.

brocab:
I find this out of texts when are you JW's ever interested in the KJV, it's your bible or no bible you believe in.
Forget the KJ read the 1611 version, this should give you a better insight how the bible was translated from the Latin language to the English version, and to have so many correct manuscripts, that is translated-shows the flesh can't answer your questions but the Spirit of God can.
If you are sincerely seeking for the Plain facts, bro, then become a born again Christian as the word of God tells you to be, and then try and question your own answers. Its only the word of God that sets you free. And if you still refuse to believe then Look up {Isaiah 7:14} Behold a Virgin shall conceive a Son and His name Shall be Called Immanuel {Matthew 1:22} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled the Prophesy.
{Isaiah 9:6} Describes Jesus as "Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father Prince of peace".
And please explain why these scriptures are calling Jesus these names, if Jesus isn't the Father-no one has seen God at anytime-only through His Son we see His Father God?
So what does this mean? You yourself have agreed God isn't a person-because no-one has seen God at anytime.

Kai.. Uncle.
Did I ever mention to you that am a Witness?
Know this in your heart, and let it ring.
You could see how I broke down
John 1:1 and John 1:14.. using clear, truthful words to back up the write up.
Which you honestly agree to.
Just later on.. You left the last part. And dropped long list of other verses.
Am not arguing whether Jesus is God or not. I did want to know. Isn't that simple a request?