hahn:


Well, that one dey but doesn;t it strike you as odd that Quranic verses are just convenient for "fighting for power"? Didn't Allah know that his instructions would lead to such things?

MakeWeTalk:
[size=14pt]Guys the most peaceful religion Islam has burnt a catholic church.
Islam is the only religion that is synonymous with violence !
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https://www.nairaland.com/3230110/muslim-youths-destroy-catholic-church/

Seun:
In light of the tragedy in France, which claimed 84 lives, I'd like to ask Nairaland muslims a very important question:

Is there something in Islam that makes it very easy for bad men to convince young muslim men to take part in evil terrorist attacks?

If so, what is it? And what should be done to permanently end the perpetration of terrorist acts by people who claim to be muslims?

madridguy:
To me, the tragedy in France is reprisal attack not Terrorist attack.

The only solution to be done to permanently end the perpetration of reprisal attack is for the self acclaimed WORLD POWER to leave MUSLIM countries alone. Why always them?

Iraq was a better country before the western country invaded Iraq. Libyan citizen once live like queen and king in their domain, they enjoy almost everything free of charge/subsidize rate before France led NATO turned Libya to Terrorist castle.

Now let ask ourselves, let put ourselves in the shoe of Iraqi and Libyan, do you think these people will be happy with their oppressor? I have a lot to say but my heart is too heavy now thinking how Iraqi's are killed every seconds with no media to fight for them.

Before you start calling me names, ask yourself this question; why are countries like Switzerland, Poland, Ukraine, Sweden, Austria, Luxembourg to mention few are exempted by the terrorist?

France and Belgium problem started the day they led NATO to Libya. America play indoor game in the invasion in Libya and they recorded the first casualties as the blood of their ambassador to Libya was wasted for the invasion. The frontiers, France and Belgium are still counting casualties.

Moral of the story, don't do EVIL.

There is room for constructive criticism and counter fact.

ShiaMuslim:
@ Seun,

all the beating around the bush by Muslims on this board will not answer your question. they are either uninformed of the fact, or they are dodging the truth to cover up.

anytime you hear about faith based/related murders/terror/violence, search for the fingerprints of Wahhabism/Salafism.

the below thread will answer your questions with facts and evidence:

https://www.nairaland.com/3170976/terrorism-salafism-vs-islamic-rules

ALL TERRORIST GROUPS FOLLOW THE SALAFIST/WAHHABI IDEOLOGY CENTERED ON TAKFIR (PASSING VERDICT OF DISBELIEF ON OTHERS, EVEN FELLOW MUSLIMS) AND ITS PRODUCE OF TAKFIRI KILLINGS (KILLING ALL THOSE WHO ARE NOT WAHHABI OR WAHHABI ENOUGH).

Contact17:


You have a valid point.To be honest, France makes itself susceptible to attacks by hot heads and extremists.

The banning the niqab and the compulsion to pay heavy fines for wearing it.

For women who see the niqab as obligation( meaning it is a MUST), this is a violation of their right and freedom to worship. If someone were to try to prevent me from performing my five daily prayer( which is an obligation), I will fight back. Who are you to prevent me from worshiping? Or from dressing according to my beliefs? What harm do I pose by praying or dressing modestly?
Even De Féo ( a French sociologist) said-
"Those who have left to go and fight in Syria say that this law is one of things that encouraged them. They saw it as a law against Islam. It had the effect of sending a message that Islam was not welcome in France,”.

Secondly the charlie hebdo company that kept purposely making offensive cartoons. After the unfortunate shooting which I strongly condemn as, Islam forbids harming innocent people in any way, whether that involves harming their bodies, their wealth or their honour. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There should be neither harming nor reciprocating harm.”

Pope Francis who condemned the attack also said-
“If [a close friend] says a swear word against my mother, he’s going to get a punch in the nose,”. “One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people’s faith, one cannot make fun of faith.There is a limit”.

He spoke the reality! The French government made statements about freedom of speech ( clearing conveying support) after the attack but the truth is there is a limit. If I were to walk up to the President of France and insult him, I will get arrested. What happened to freedom of speech then? You don't go about insulting peoples' beliefs and not expect a reaction. There are many hot headed youths you don't think before they act.

What we need to do is be respectful and tolerant. Respectful towards other peoples' beliefs and tolerance when we are offended.
Be it a terrorist attack or whatsoever, innocent lives are lost. Islam doesn't support that.

It is not permissible to kill a one who doesn't believe who is not hostile or who has a legitimate peace treaty with the Muslims; rather treating them with kindness is part of the Islamic religion, especially if that is done to call him to Islam and soften his heart (towards Islam). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”[al-Mumtahinah 60:8]

cc seun

Sources-
http://www.thelocal.fr/20151012/france-burqa-ban-five-years-on-we-create-a-monster
http://time.com/3668875/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo/
https://islamqa.info/en/21757

ShiaMuslim:
@ Seun,

all the beating around the bush by Muslims on this board will not answer your question. they are either uninformed of the fact, or they are dodging the truth to cover up.

anytime you hear about faith based/related murders/terror/violence, search for the fingerprints of Wahhabism/Salafism.

the below thread will answer your questions with facts and evidence:

https://www.nairaland.com/3170976/terrorism-salafism-vs-islamic-rules

ALL TERRORIST GROUPS FOLLOW THE SALAFIST/WAHHABI IDEOLOGY CENTERED ON TAKFIR (PASSING VERDICT OF DISBELIEF ON OTHERS, EVEN FELLOW MUSLIMS) AND ITS PRODUCE OF TAKFIRI KILLINGS (KILLING ALL THOSE WHO ARE NOT WAHHABI OR WAHHABI ENOUGH).

Empiree:
This is irrelevant. You are just being sectarian. Seun simply sees you and other muslims as MUSLIMS, period. There is no need for this at all. When West attack, they attack ISLAM. They dont give a fig leaf about factions. Donald Trump said today that Hillary must not be allowed to be prez bcus she and obunma failed to call terrorists what they are, "Islamic terrorism". He didn't say wahabi/salafi. If you want to start on that this thread is NOT appropriate for that.

@madridguy, kudos!

ShiaMuslim:
@ Seun,

all the beating around the bush by Muslims on this board will not answer your question. they are either uninformed of the fact, or they are dodging the truth to cover up.

anytime you hear about faith based/related murders/terror/violence, search for the fingerprints of Wahhabism/Salafism.

the below thread will answer your questions with facts and evidence:

https://www.nairaland.com/3170976/terrorism-salafism-vs-islamic-rules

ALL TERRORIST GROUPS FOLLOW THE SALAFIST/WAHHABI IDEOLOGY CENTERED ON TAKFIR (PASSING VERDICT OF DISBELIEF ON OTHERS, EVEN FELLOW MUSLIMS) AND ITS PRODUCE OF TAKFIRI KILLINGS (KILLING ALL THOSE WHO ARE NOT WAHHABI OR WAHHABI ENOUGH).

madridguy:
Do you have a better understanding of the thread at all? Oga Seun is not here asking you about doctrine, his question is directly to Muslims and not towards Salafist, Wahabist, Shia, Sunni, sufusimn. This is not the time to hide under useless political fraction Sunni/Shia it's time to defend ISLAM as a whole and if you have nothing to contribute, just be reading from below. Allah Hafiz.

lexiconkabir:


I'm not surprised anyway, this is exactly what Nasir Al-Din Al-tusi did that led to the massacre of almost 1.5million Muslims in Baghdad..... Alliance with the enemies of islam against Muslims just to feel good about your deviant deen.

Empiree:
This is irrelevant. You are just being sectarian. Seun simply sees you and other muslims as MUSLIMS, period. There is no need for this at all. When West attack, they attack ISLAM. They dont give a fig leaf about factions. Donald Trump said today that Hillary must not be allowed to be prez bcus she and obunma failed to call terrorists what they are, "Islamic terrorism". He didn't say wahabi/salafi. If you want to start on that this thread is NOT appropriate for that.

@madridguy, kudos!

youngaz:
hmmm @Seun thanks for askin dat question....Islam doesn't teach terrorism...and there are no 2 ways diz pple get their evil deeds dan to brainwash d pple dey wanna use for d attacks...for example,Donald Trump is always attacking Muslims weneva there's an attack...dey might save a clip of it,den dey will show it to dem and say tins like..,"can u see ao he's abusing us??......can u hear wat he said abt u.....u're a muslim are u gonna allow im to keep sayin diz?....he's attacking Islam,are u gonna allow dat?"...and so on dey might even bring a verse in d Qur'an dat says if some one attacks u fight im in d course of Allah...yes there are some verses lyk dat in Qur'an bt...u must nt attack who doesn't attack u....even during war u're allowed to fight in self "defence" and dnt kill women and Children...bt all diz pple kill women,use children for suicide bombings,use women as suicide bombers....dey are attacking dose dat didn't attack dem....dey said dey are fighting in Allah's course bt who is capable of fighting for God...hmmm....dey are just misled pple and lest we 4get.....nt all attacks are done by muslim wills (u can ask me why)

ShiaMuslim:


this is very much relevant. i am not being sectarian. i am being wholly and fully Muslim. the body of Islam is infected by the cancer of Wahhabism and its Takfiri killings. when your body is inflicted with cancer, what do you do?

i do not care about what the West or its politicians say or do. most of them are ignorant. Trump does not know the difference between Quds and Kurds. to show how stupid he is. it is our duty as Muslims to tell the world about true Islam, the Islam of Muhammad and his Ahlul-Bayt (as). they are the yardstick to measure how islamic anyone and anything is.

the West supports Wahhabism. Wahhabism itself was a tool created by British colonialism to fight against the Sunni Ottoman Empire. so the cancer you are embracing today because it identifies itself as part of your Sunni identity was implanted into your body to fight against you and be a force for division and bloodshed. the same goes with Bahaism created in the Shia body, and Ahmadiyyah created in the Sunni body in the Indian subcontinent by the same british. i see no reason why i would embrace Bahais because they are a Shia offshoot, even if they (God forbid) happen to be in control of Najaf and Karbala. the West allies with Wahhabis, and when these Wahhabis bite the hand that feeds them, the West blame Islam. but when these same Wahhabis are blowing up Muslims in Iraq and Syria, based on sectarian grounds to divide the Muslims, the West keeps silent. you only hear them complain when the Wahhabis are biting their flesh in France and america. you do not hear them talk when wahhabis kill Iraqis or Syrian. do you? so let us not worry about the West and its hypocrisy. worry about how we can rectify the Wahhabi cancerous infection promoted and supported by the West to kill Muslims, before they even kill non-muslims. what do we do? the first way to solve the problem is to remove the cloak of denial and identify the problem. accept that this is the problem and then to get solution would be easy.

the West cannot continue to ally itself with Wahhabi rogue regimes in the middle east that call themselves "monarchy" (a system of governance opposed by Islam), and then actively sponsor Wahhabi terror group to kill Muslims, and also fight enemies of the West (in the case of the Russians in Afghanistan), and then when the Wahhabi beasts are out of control and bite the West where it hurts them most, they rush to blame Islam and hold Muslims responsible. we are not responsible. i am not under obligation to defend terrorists. they are not part of my religion to even start with. there is nothing Islamic about terrorism. you cannot be a terrorist and still claim to be Muslim. is the human soul not sacred in the Quran? did the Prophet (s) not say that the blood of an innocent soul is more sacred than the walls of the holy Ka'bah (the most sacred place in Islam)? so when you go against such bold and great teachings, it is not only blasphemy and sin, but you are not following Islam.

let us face it. if you want to give cover to Wahhabi Takfiri killings and terror, that is your business.

ShiaMuslim:


before mentioning the name of a man greater than your generations, use zamzam and bath to clean yourself from the impurities of takfirism and its killing scourge. when you view al-Tusi as an apostate, and not muslim enough; and further, you do not only stop at declaring other muslims as "unbelievers", but you make permissible the shedding of their blood, why wont they stand up against you? which Islam tells you to kill Muslims in their mosques and cities because you feel you are more muslim than them? why would al-Tusi support a dynasty that massacred the family of the Prophet (s)? you have destroyed your faith with your own hands through extremism and jahiliyyah extremists who were far off from the teachings of the Prophet (s).

Lagusta:


This post makes me laugh out loud......

Anybody can pose as a Muslim and say trash, so that YouTube video is flawed already.....

Now concerning all the verses you mis-interpreted.....

All the verses you quoted, except the first one, refer to the idol worshippers of then, not the Jews or Christians, check another English Quran to confirm (wait, where did you even get that translation from sef )

Now, about the first one, there was a time when a group of Jews and Christians formed an alliance with the idol worshippers to fight the muslims, so the verse was revealed as a warning to the muslims at that time....

The Jews and Christians are referred to as "the people of the book" and not "disbelievers"....

This is a public forum, do not mislead the populace.....

lexiconkabir:

Shi'as with their loose tongues
As everyone can see, you are the one exposing yourself as the takfeeriy here, for you to support the massacre of 1.5million Muslims including innocent women and children, you don't consider them Muslims, who is the is showing acts of takfeeriy here? Even Al-khunsari(one of your respected "scholars" described the blood of these Muslims as filthy!! Ah! SubhanAllah!

madridguy:
Now you're talking.

usermane:




[color=#990000]1. Sunan Abi Dawud>>Book of Prescribed Punishments

2. Jami` at-Tirmidhi » Chapters on Seeking Permission


3. Sunan Abi Dawud » Book of Prescribed Punishments

madridguy:
Now you're talking.

Demmzy15:
Do you honestly believe all the bullsh't he stated?

usermane:
To buttress my my points above, I recommend these videos to Seun and those who care for proofs. These documentaries exposes the titular moderate Muslims who may condemn terrorists groups like ISIS yet share the same hate-filled and radical discourse detailed in their religious texts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJk_AiK-4No



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njRKaX0ORuI

madridguy:
Lol. You don catch me.

Empiree:
Counterclaim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-o9EAAnzh0
Cc: Seun

Rafidi:


why is this not irrelevant? is he Shia? why is this Sunni threatening Sunni-Wahhabi Saudi?