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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:05pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Spy360, I agree with what Ibime is saying here. If you have a young player on the brink of making first team and Barcelona send one of their young players to you on loan. EVen if your own player is slightly less talented. If you play your own youth and he picks up form, he is yours and benefits your tram forever, If you play the Barcelona youth on loan and he performs, Barcelona would just come at anytime to tap their finger and collect him back then you are back to square 1 or even worse. Unless you are a lesser club with no hope of getting anyone of that quality, you wont even invest energy in developing a loaned player who would eventually be taken away The Coman example, Coman is literally a Bayern player now only that we would pay for him 2yrs after getting him, and Bayern have the first option of refusal. If he flops Bayern lose just 7M, If he blows, we would only pay 7M plus the 21M. 28M for a winger |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 2:22pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Ibime:Actually the Coman deal is €7m total to be paid in two installments not €14m |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 2:23pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Nihilstjnr:Thats one thing I don't do. Exaggerate. Not on this board anyway. Nihilstjnr:Not saying it aint so but what makes him even better? That he was a member of the PFA? That's all? Se you know Betrand was also in the PFA of the year (2015). So kini big deal? Nihilstjnr:It does. That actually is the crux of this 3 page wetin I go call am sef "punditry"? Nihilstjnr:Part wo? Where Enamelo categorically stated that the boy was a wonderful wonderful talent, admitting that the club made a mistake or? Nihilstjnr:One thing I can't stand is when people analyse players by reading newspapers. rara. mi o like e at all. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 2:34pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
FBS: The big deal is when you start to hear things like Bertrand is not better than Ola Aina or *insert random academy name here* as egbon nateevs is keen to stress. One thing I can't stand is when people analyse players by reading newspapers. rara. mi o like e at all I don't understand this statement. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 2:40pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
diggz:Brother I dey. I hear Guadiola and Mou dey use style avoid each other. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 3:04pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Ibime:Your point is noted and accepted. My point is a loaned like Serge Gnabry is expected to meet a minimum standard to play for WestBrom, if he doesn't thereby giving the manager the excuse of using his academy player, then Gnabry is useless for a club as Arsenal. If a manager spots talent, he develops it and uses it. If the player does not improve then one of two things becomes obvious 1. No talent 2. The manager failed in his job. He could not spot the talent or he could not develop the talent. There are cases where no 2 was the case, example Pogba and Lukaku. There are also cases where no 1 became the case~ no known examples, they never became popular. Having said that, in the case of RLC, I think that the manager failed to develop him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:06pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
amodu: Yes bro, I think so.... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 3:23pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
raumdeuter:I accept totally the point made. All I was trying to say is that... The onus is on every player to make the cuts. You don't just sit and expect to be put through a talent mill. Apart from the Coman example, there are players that have been sent on loan and shone like stars. If you have to compete with an equally talented player, then bad news. But basically, you are expected to earn playing time if you're on loan, if not your career is over. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Pataki: 3:45pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Hmmmmm. When the statement in bold is quoted in the subsequent future against you, hope you will have your two balls functional to reply me. Till the appropriate time, I am saving this quote of yours. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 3:53pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Nihilstjnr: Don't be ridiculous Nihilist. Let's not turn a good exchange of wits into a battle of grammatical correctness. You know exactly what I meant and what I said was very clear enough. No innuendos and hidden meanings in this respect. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 3:55pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
nateevs: Even if we take those statements at face value, they are still ridiculous things to say. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 4:06pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Nihilstjnr: You are still on about these things egbon Nateevs said. I have given you documented evidence. You can check for yourself what the response was when Dele Alli was recommended to Chelsea. Ti n ba ti e nsinwin, se mo wa taa fun awon oga ni Chelsea ni? It's not just my own opinion. I can understand why you feel strongly about it. However, it must carry some weight if others are beginning to see the light or if some had already seen that light before now. My argument aimed to focus on a few things. Perhaps the main point was lost along the way but the crux of the argument was attacking the application of simplistic ideas to Youth development. And also that not every failed loan translates to average talent. Ibime just gave you a perfect example of how a Manager may sideline a loaned player. But you are here telling us it's only about the talent. 'If you are good, you will play'. In fact, I don lose appetite for the matter sef. I no know wetin I dey write again. I really hope that this argument will be revisited very soon. By the way, ye ma pemi ni egbon jare. Wetin sef? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:13pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
We all should not forget the crux of the issue which is, selling / loaning out our academy players just so we can waste money to buy / loan in trashy,epic useless player/players. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 4:16pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
The former England footballer Ray Wilkins has told a court he is an alcoholic who has no choice but to stay away from alcohol or face ruining his life, as he received a four-year ban for drink-driving. This drunkard again |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilstjnr: 4:30pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
nateevs: Egbon... I think that we have so far focused on Bamford and Chalobah. Those two are not good enough and will never be good enough. Of course what Ibime said is quite valid, and can happen in some cases - but definitely not to Bamford and Chalobah. Those two are just crap. Bamford went to the easiest clubs in the world to excel if you are half decent. Which manager will want to stick to his 3 goal a season striker if there's a better option available? Norwich got relegated because they could not score goals...you think that Bamford would not see shirt if he was good enough? At Palace, last season 4 players shared the joint highest goal scorer tag - with 5 league goals. One of those players was a central defender. When Scott Dann is your joint highest goal scorer as a manager and you are facing relegation, would you ignore the striker you have on loan if he was actually good enough? I want us to draw a distinction between who is good and who is not. Let us call shyt by it's proper name of Bamford. THEN we can fully begin to examine which youths are not being given a fair chance |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:50pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Pataki: An old woman becomes uneasy when we talk about bones. We mention useless and an Arsenal fan is suddenly uneasy. Te Chelsea fans which we posted on their thread no complain, Na assanal know say they are synonymous with uselessness |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 6:53pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Nihilstjnr: Egbo Nihilistjnr.... The way you write off this guys so easily is just way too extreme and shocking! I am sure if you knew Costa 7years ago you would have gladly wrote him off! However, I am sure Costa will be thanking atletico and Diego simeone every day for keeping faith in him. You may want to go check your strikers stats before recent seasons... Payet is another player who readily comes to mind as one player you would have discarded. As a matter of fact, if I choose to review several players and the way their career turned for the better, there will be endless list of players you would have thrown away because to you,they were not good enough!. Please before you misinteprete what I said above to mean something else, kindly remember the discourse from the beginning was about giving our youths some chance. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 8:03pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
bigkesh:haha haha. What did my guy spy do to deserve this hot lashing after all a man has to stay true to his name. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:31pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
diggz: Exactly. In the course of the debate egbon Nihilist even disparaged Ola Aina in comparison to Ryan Bertrand forgetting that Bertrand was another youth product, and he made PFA 11 the same season we let him go. Meanwhile we are having to stomach Baba Rahman in the same position! 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Pataki: 10:57pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Fara buruku baale you this apoda. You will chop your esi-oro at the right time. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:25pm On Jul 25, 2016 |
Ibime: Seems I spoke too soon. Tevez says Chelsea and Napoli have asked after him but he wants to retire at Boca. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coded01: 5:09am On Jul 26, 2016 |
West Ham co-chairman David Sullivan revealed earlier this month he had explored the possibility of re-signing Tevez, claiming the deal broke down over the player's wage demands. Splash pounds and Tevez will be in London in 12hours... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 6:21am On Jul 26, 2016 |
How many of you would want lukaku back....? I saw he could be on his way back for less than 50mil. .! I will take him ahead of morata and Diego Costa at the moment though. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 6:43am On Jul 26, 2016 |
Kante to wear number 7. I think seven is not an ideal number for short player. Why not give him number 14. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 6:47am On Jul 26, 2016 |
Teves should be signed. That guy is a warrior. He is a perfect supporting striker(ss). Sell Diego and sign lukaku due to epl experience. Lukaku/Tevez upfront will be nice combo |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:06am On Jul 26, 2016 |
diggz: I don't know what you guys see in this Lukaku sef. Morata>>>Lukaku anytime any day. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 8:44am On Jul 26, 2016 |
timbros: 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 8:45am On Jul 26, 2016 |
timbros: I am no fan of lukaku but morata greater than him ain't right bro. How is morata even greater than lukaku? Just how...? As a matter of fact the only thing greater about morata before and at the moment, is the guys price tag..... Not a single thing! Not youth goals, not professional club goals and definitely not national team goals.... Lukaku is a god compared to morata.... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:57am On Jul 26, 2016 |
The only thing morata has over lukaku is techniques and cfc already posses technical players all they need is a clinical cf with strength. I say sell costa, sign tevez and lukaku. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 10:36am On Jul 26, 2016 |
hensben:Any short player than can do this deserves just about any number he wants. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 10:43am On Jul 26, 2016 |
diggz: I'm no fan of Morata either. You should know better than asking that bolded question. But to answer your question....Morata has a UCL medal, 1 La Liga, 2 Copa Del Rey, 2 Serie A, 2 Copa Italia, UCL tots. Lukaku has just 1 FA Cup and 1 joint UEL top scorer....Who is greater? In international level, Lukaku has 14 goals after 49 appearances while Morata is played 13, scored 6..that's almost 0.5 goal per game.......Please who is greater? Lukaku is just a big fish in a small pond. Take that same 'big' fish to a big pond and it will disappear. Banging 100 goals in West Brom/Everton is not the issue, let him do so in a bigger club. Morata started in Real Madrid, went on loan to another big club (Juventus) and proved himself. Ever wondered why Zidane desperately wants him back to Madrid? No be only British media dey over hype EPL players, we for dis forum dey follow hype them too much. I still repeat Morata>>>Lukaku anytime any day. *Modified* Talking about youth football, in the national team... Lukaku played 10 matches (from U15 to U21) and scored 2 goals. Morata played 34 matches (U17 to U21) and scored 29 goals.....abeg who is greater? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 12:07pm On Jul 26, 2016 |
the kind talk I dy see here dy scatter my head... how can someone choose lukaku over Diego costa?. Put Diego Costa in Everton and lukaku will become second choice. |
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