DemonInSiege:



Muslims are terrorists, they are pretending

The killer and the victim are going to the same place,

mess God

Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

true2god:
What message will the Muslim ummah be sending to us kafirs if they give this Muslim terrorist an Islamic burial? Anyway he is following following the instructions of Mohammed to 'behead the infidels wherever you find them (even inside church or synagogue)'...Quran 9:5.

Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

annunaki2:


Islamic terrorism sympathiser sighted.

Farmerforlife:


We are not at all interested in what you unbelievers think, or in sending you any messages of appeasement. We Muslims are answerable only to our Lord and Creator; the Almighty. When will you finally manage to get that into your head?

And you can misquote the Quran all you like. Not interested in what you believe there either. I think that most Muslims are informed enough about Islam nowadays to know when you are lying and inserting your brand of falsehood into brackets while quoting the Quran, so your addendums no longer even merit a passing glance.

Take care of your blood pressure before you blow a pipe while monitoring Muslims.

true2god:
Please explain the proper context of Quran 9:5, 29-30 with respect to what your Islamic terrorist did. Is he following the sunnah or not?

Farmerforlife:


The sum total of Islamic teachings are not all summarized in Quran 9:5, 29-30 as you want us to believe. Nor do I believe that you have not been previously told the context on many previous occasions. If you did not comprehend it then, you will not do so now.

Your submission is also way off the topic of the op. The discussion concerns conducting the funeral rites for the dead criminal Muslim. Whatever his misdeeds were, he was a Muslim (I am sure you vehemently agree with this), and therefore entitled to a Muslim burial. Furthermore, he has been punished for his crime and that is that. Islamic stipulations are clear and are not reliant on the personal preferences of non Muslims or the emotional knee-jerk reactions of ignorant Muslim apologists.

The French Muslims' reaction was wrong from an Islamic point of view.

Farmerforlife:


The sum total of Islamic teachings are not all summarized in Quran 9:5, 29-30 as you want us to believe. Nor do I believe that you have not been previously told the context on many previous occasions. If you did not comprehend it then, you will not do so now.

Your submission is also way off the topic of the op. The discussion concerns conducting the funeral rites for the dead criminal Muslim. Whatever his misdeeds were, he was a Muslim (I am sure you vehemently agree with this), and therefore entitled to a Muslim burial. Furthermore, he has been punished for his crime and that is that. Islamic stipulations are clear and are not reliant on the personal preferences of non Muslims or the emotional knee-jerk reactions of ignorant Muslim apologists.

The French Muslims' reaction was wrong from an Islamic point of view.

true2god:
You mean we should scrub Quran 9:5, 29-30 from the Quran?

FYI, the Saudi govt also rejected the body of Osama bin laden hence was thrown into the ocean. Why are Muslims always creating new records?

Farmerforlife:


No, I mean that no ruling can be based EXCLUSIVELY on Quran 9:5, 29-30, without first seeking its application and interpretation through various other verses and supporting hadith.

The Saudi rejection of bin Laden's corpse for burial was more to prevent the event from escalating into an issue of martyrdom by those who supported him. No verdict was ever issued that denied his being a Muslim, and he was still buried with Islamic rites, according to the US government, and we pray that God forgives him his misdeeds, as we pray for any Muslim who engages in sinful behaviour. The only reason to deny a Muslim burial to any individual, is if he/she has been established to hold views that take him/her outside the fold of Islam.

I have no idea what you mean by 'creating new records'.

annunaki2:


The bolded above confirms that the terrorist ideology of Osama and other terrorist are views that are not considered to be outside the fold of islam in your opinion. Thanks for confirming my earlier observation about you.

sanandreas:

Why supporting evil? If it were to be some communities is my state, he would be thrown into the forest because he is an animal.

Farmerforlife:
This is wrong. A sinful Muslim is entitled to a Muslim burial regardless of the enormity of his sin. This is a collective responsibility on French Muslims. It is not their right to judge him.

For Muslims who may wish to be clearer on rulings concerning issues like this...

https://islamqa.info/en/67576

GrandMufti:
Muslims in the hometown of Adel Kermiche, one of the teenage attackers who slit the throat of an elderly priest in a church in France, have refused to bury him.

The 19-year-old, along with Abdel Malik Petitjean, also 19, took six people hostage at a church in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray before killing its 86-year-old priest, Father Jacques Hamel, during a morning mass at around 10am local time on Tuesday.

A nun who was in the church – identified as Sister Danielle – said the priest was forced to the ground before his throat was slit.

Both Kermiche and Petitjean were later shot dead by police.

Following the attack, Isis issued a claim of responsibility calling the pair of attackers “soldiers of the Islamic State”. Isis’ Amaq propaganda agency later released video footage of the French attackers pledging allegiance to the terror group.

Religious leaders in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray have refused to prepare or bury Kermiche’s body, saying they do not want to “taint” Islam by having any connection to the jihadist.

Mohammed Karabila, president of the local Muslim cultural association and imam at a local mosque, told French newspaper Le Parisien: “We’re not going to taint Islam with this person.

“We won’t participate in preparing the body or the burial.”

Fellow Muslims in the town, near Rouen in Normandy, supported the decision, Sky News reports.

Khalid El Amrani, a 25-year-old technician, said: “What this young man did is sinful; he is no longer part of our community.”

The mayor’s office will ultimately decide whether or not Kermiche will be buried in the town.

Family friend Jonathan Sacarabany said Kermiche grew up in a housing project in Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray.

Mr Sacarabany said the jihadist was originally born in Algeria and had a sister who is a doctor in Rouen and a brother. Their mother is a professor.

The French government has come under increasing criticism for failing to prevent atrocities, including the attack in Normandy.

Security services were tipped off that Petitjean was planning an attack but police were reportedly unable to identify him from photos and video footage showing him declaring allegiance to the so-called Islamic State.

He was already on country’s “fiche S” terror watchlist for attempting to travel to Syria in June but slipped through the net to re-enter France after being stopped by Turkish authorities.

Kermiche was also known to security services and was wearing an electronic surveillance tag while on bail as he awaited trial for membership of a terror organisation at the time.

The attack came less than a than a fortnight after the Nice attack, when a Tunisian man killed 84 people and injured 300 more when he ploughed a lorry into crowds celebrating Bastille Day.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/normandy-church-attack-muslim-community-refuse-to-bury-french-priest-killer-adel-kermiche-a7164301.html

Farmerforlife:


No, I mean that no ruling can be based EXCLUSIVELY on Quran 9:5, 29-30, without first seeking its application and interpretation through various other verses and supporting hadith.

The Saudi rejection of bin Laden's corpse for burial was more to prevent the event from escalating into an issue of martyrdom by those who supported him. No verdict was ever issued that denied his being a Muslim, and he was still buried with Islamic rites, according to the US government, and we pray that God forgives him his misdeeds, as we pray for any Muslim who engages in sinful behaviour. The only reason to deny a Muslim burial to any individual, is if he/she has been established to hold views that take him/her outside the fold of Islam.

I have no idea what you mean by 'creating new records'.

Plappvillemoi:


Are serious??

Plappvillemoi:

This doesnt change the standing facts. Muslims communities think they can deceive us by rejecting his body. They just want to prove they dont support terrorism. The truth stands. Islam supports the action of this teens. Period!!!

HomoSapiien:

Terrorist. This further confirms Islam to be a religion of terror that it is

Farmerforlife:


Yes, the dead should be respected. This is not an issue for emotions. Islam does permit the concession that Muslim criminal elements may be denied burial by Muslim rulers or leading figures, so as not to give them undue honour or status. But it does not accept that the person should be denied an Islamic burial entirely. The body should still be washed and buried appropriately. Punishment after death is left to God, not to us. There is no justice or profit in mutiliating dead bodies, or 'throwing them to animals' as some Christian gentlemen are suggesting. As to his being Muslim, there is no denying that. That he holds criminal deviant views contrary to Islamic laws does not make him a non Muslim anymore than being a chronic drunkard or a serial killer.



You are of course, entitled to your opinion. However, your assertions are not standing facts. If you want to know about real standing facts...

http://abuaminaelias.com/protection-of-civilian-non-combatants-in-islam/

http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=14

https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/01/the-life-of-priests-rabbis-and-monks-are-inviolable/

These are direct hadith from the prophet (ﷺ) that prohibit the killing of non combatants, with individual reference to clergymen in churches. So what he did is against the directive of the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), and therefore a sin and a crime. Muslims cannot support the actions of a sinner or a criminal.



Please watch your language. If you cannot be civil, then dont interact with humans. I have no time for rude teenagers.