otem4eartum:


The blind seeing is a function of NATURE. Let no one fool the blind that he will see. The body has been made, any damage to it can be only fixed back by nature and science(knowledge of meditation). I remember one pastor who is now late. The guy remained blind till date. Even Fanny Crosby too. Yet thousands of false people(pastors) are on earth and could not cure them.

Now DO YOU KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE SEEN AFTERLIFE AND RETURNED WITHOUT THE AID OF ANYONE PRAYING FOR THEM TO RETURN? THAT'S THE POWER OF NATURE, BRINGING BACK THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD AND CURING THEIR SICKNESSES WHEN THEY DIED. THE POWER OF NATURE IS THE POWER OF GOD.

CHECK www.nderf.org and see thousands of people who died and woke up again without the need of anyone praying for them to arise. Now let's assume that at that moment, someone was laying hands on any of them to wake up and such person wakes up, the lower-thinkers will say that the restoration of life was by the prayer, whereas nature would still have raised such person without the prayer.

Reminds me of many accidents that has been averted without the mention of any names, but the low-thinkers would have shouted 'Jesus!!!' and when the accident is normally averted, they will say it is because they shouted 'Jesus!'
Ask the atheists who also survived the same accident, is it Jesus that also protected him?

cloudgoddess:
So what's the point of praying?

Teempakguy:
classic response.

An that is why your God will forever remain on the same level as the other 4200 gods that equally "do as they please"
In the realm of theistic delusion.

HardMirror:

Lol...
Weak.
So he shld trust doctors more than the God that had a covenant with him?
Have you forgotten how christians say "we shall believe the report of the Lord! His report says I am healed!"
so u are one pf those christians that does not trust God!

HardMirror:
But this god says you should ask anything.

otem4eartum:


Atheists are not confused. They live based on their lack of convictions that all the gods presented to them are worthy to be called GOD WHO ACTUALLY MADE THE BIG BANG. For example, it seems simpleminded and sheepish to believe in the story of a god who leads the battle against other people he created. Is that god mad or he is high on Jewish weed or something? That's what the atheists are talking about.
But I'm happy that I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO REVEAL THE TRUE GOD, who made the UNIVERSE WITH A BIG BANG and does not interfere in the affairs of the earth, because he has given all things to nature and the use of individual brains until the time of death when all things will be explained to everyone perfectly.

He is the GOD who made all these small gods calling themselves GOD. imagine, we are talking about God, Yahweh too is raising his head, where VISHNU is? Where Eartum(Atum) the god of civilization is? SMH for his worshippers

otem4eartum:


Christian students of Futa died in road accidents, the people say it is the will of god(yahweh), forgetting that the same yahweh said "with long life will I satisfy you..."

Anyway, that's the problem of yahweh the double-mouthed god who promised Frankmishael that sonoflucifer and johnydon22 will die last year April ending, but rather, the promise boomeranged on Frankmishael and he ceased to exist on NL since that date, turning him to 'Nobody's on NL(as per his username).

Goddys too whom Yahweh his double-mouthed god promised him that I will lose everything I have by July 6 and beg for bread also failed Goddys and make him beg for money on NL two days later, displaying his diamond bank account for TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN TO PUT MONEY IN IT.


WEll, as for me I know there is A CREATOR who does not interfere in things done in the billions of numerous planets and stars he has made.

Goddys:

Otem, the fact remains you twist events to favour your course.
I was I inspired to ask for favour and somebody who God touched favoured me by financing my law school programme. If you claim to be self righteous,stop twisting events to your favour and be straightforward.
If my spirit ministers to me to again to ask for favour online ,I won't hesitate because my God can supply my needs through any means He deems fit.
Stop portraying yourself as self righteous when all you do is manipulate events to satisfy your devlish doctrine.
I'm still praying for you and my God will deliver you from the entanglement of eartum. My book shall expose everything.

Teempakguy:
you seem like a bold one.

so, answer this very simple question.

Mention ONE test that I can carry out to show that your God, and not Allah, is the most powerful and hence worthy of acknowledgement.

In other words, mention one thing that your God can do RIGHT NOW and ANYTIME. that Allah can't do RIGHT NOW and ANYTIME.

HardMirror:

Lol.
Good one there.

HardMirror:
I am shocked at the hypocrisy and lack of faith of Christians!

I have discovered beyond doubt that Christians actually don't Believe in God!

A girl had leukemia and the dad refused to follow the doctors recommendation, instead he kept his daughter at home and was believing God's report that his daughter was healed. The daughter died and everyone came for his head. Even Christians said he was a fool.

A fool for what? For believing God?
For trusting God?

A pastor dies and his pastor brother and family starts praying for his resurrection. Christians on nairaland called them fools, said he is dead and can't return. What?! Can't God raise the Dead? Did the dead bones of Elisha not raise a dead man? How much more the name of the Living Jesus Christ! Can't it raise the dead?

A man was bitten by a snake in Idu-Osun, Osun state some 10years ago. He insisted on staying in Church and praying. He died after about 6 hours in the church. I recall how everyone, including me (I was a christian then) called the man a fool. Said he was testing God?
So trusting God has become testing God?
Why do we call people fools for trusting God?
Does it mean we don't believe God can do the miraculous again?

What would be a pastors reaction if a BEHEADED person is brought to his church and he is asked to pray for the dead person to come to life?

Do we truely believe God or just playing along just in case God exists?

Makes me wonder...

Vicoch:
Ohhhhhhh, how i wasted my time thinking that there is a 'god'.....

sonofthunder:

communication...

cloudgoddess:

I've felt the same way. The good news is that you don't have to waste any more time now

sonofthunder:

there's a huge gap mate

Teempakguy:
name it

freethinker01:
Seriously, I had a similar experience precisely a month ago that I even felt like sharing here here but I think this thread has giv'n me the avenue.
It happened to my Aunt who had a tumour(late tho') that was diagnosed to be carcinogenic(it was discoverd when she went for her regular check up). The doctor said it was good that it was discovered early so it won't metastasize and she would need to be operated. When she informed her husband, he bluntly and outrightly objected it saying as far as he's alive, no member of his family would undergo sugery(he even boasted of how his wife delivered their second baby normally even when the doctor said the only option she had was a CS) that it's convenant the Lord made with him. He said the God he serves has never failed him.
Well, as time went by. The man continued fasting and praying. He even went to the mountains. So also the tumour continued to grow still believein in His Yaweh.
Eventually, it was discovered the tumour was malignant and spread drastically within a month. My aunt gave up the ghost last month based on her husband's strong believe in God. Ooh, did I metion he's also a pastor?
Everyone that heard of it blamed him for being so stupid and jeopardizing the life of his wife.
Now, this is my quetion, as a believer, what exactly did the man do wrong?

HardMirror:

Exactly what I am saying. Imagine if it was a wrong diagnoses, the same christian blaming him would praise him for his faith and call it healing.
So why blame the man when all he did was trust God? Lol

Mr seun, what do you think

Image123:


The actual good news is that there is nothing significant outside God. There is nothing out there that cannot be obtained in here.

waice6571:




I remember you said you are once a pastor.

How come you are this down in the depth of satan?

Your end can never be better than that of King Saul which started with the Lord but lost his life and of his children the same day. Today, go ask about he's family tree, dried and withdered from the root.

Why? HE SHIFTED PLATFORM.

freethinker01:
Seriously, I had a similar experience precisely a month ago that I even felt like sharing here here but I think this thread has giv'n me the avenue.
It happened to my Aunt who had a tumour(late tho') that was diagnosed to be carcinogenic(it was discoverd when she went for her regular check up). The doctor said it was good that it was discovered early so it won't metastasize and she would need to be operated. When she informed her husband, he bluntly and outrightly objected it saying as far as he's alive, no member of his family would undergo sugery(he even boasted of how his wife delivered their second baby normally even when the doctor said the only option she had was a CS) that it's convenant the Lord made with him. He said the God he serves has never failed him.
Well, as time went by. The man continued fasting and praying. He even went to the mountains. So also the tumour continued to grow still believein in His Yaweh.
Eventually, it was discovered the tumour was malignant and spread drastically within a month. My aunt gave up the ghost last month based on her husband's strong believe in God. Ooh, did I metion he's also a pastor?
Everyone that heard of it blamed him for being so stupid and jeopardizing the life of his wife.
Now, this is my quetion, as a believer, what exactly did the man do wrong?

Teempakguy:
yeah, right. You that you are hot Christan, have you sold your properties and given them to the poor Are you not going to lay yourself treasures in heaven?

And while you're at that, I hope you've never stumbled upon toolz and/or Tonto dike's bumbum on fp. Otherwise gouge out your eyes asap.

cloudgoddess:

The precise opposite is true. No aspect of human experience is unique to religion, the good nor the bad.

If anything, the Abrahamic religions exacerbate many of the unpleasant/destructive aspects of being human (tribalism/"us vs. them" mentality, childhood trauma & indoctrination, emotional reasoning, taking life for granted, etc etc). And it teaches us to hate our very nature, causing an obsession with unrealistic ideals.

Humanism is the way to go.

kilo4sure:

Humanism was born as a bastard child to Christianity. It is a good philosophy though (if you can control it) and most of the tenets of the early humanists in the rennaisance were derived from their Christian upbringing. Your humanism though would not make sense to an immoral die hard atheist in a world without God

Image123:



She went for her regular check up BUT objected to surgery. So, who is fooling who? A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. God did not stop her from going for REGULAR check ups or for surgery, her husband did. Most Nigerians do not do surgery(popularly called "operation" either because of poverty, or because of fear, not out of faith. They'd rather pray or hope than spend or look for money worth thousands or hundreds of thousands. If someone has kidney issues for instance and it cost 2million to trsvel to India and fix. If they have the money, they will go. If they don't or are not convenient to part with such money, then they will run to church or to media house with picture and pleas. God is not mocked. There is nothing wrong with going ahead with your surgery and trusting God. People die during surgeries too, so its not foolproof too. many Nigerians are afraid of incompetence of our hospitals and doctors, so would rather not have surgery or CS. This is out of fear that somebody will forget scissors inside them, or nepa will take light, or some complication will happen during recovery. In developed countries where CS is easy and commonplace, Nigerians there will choose CS ahead of labour pains. i'm talking experience, not just mouth. So, the root cause is not really about faith or covenants the Lord made. People should learn to act on Rhema not on Logos. Even Peter did not act on Logos, walking on water afterwards, he still used boats. He did not say, Jesus the same forever. He did it for me then and will never fail. Lemme jump inside Galilee. Faith does not work that way.

cc: Ranchhoddas

macof:

The man shall be rewarded in heaven for trusting God with the life of his wife. God is more important than a mere human life that he created, it is he that gives and he that takes

kilo4sure:

Humanism was born as a bastard child to Christianity. It is a good philosophy though (if you can control it) and most of the tenets of the early humanists in the rennaisance were derived from their Christian upbringing. Your humanism though would not make sense to an immoral die hard atheist in a world without God

HardMirror:
I am shocked at the hypocrisy and lack of faith of Christians!

I have discovered beyond doubt that Christians actually don't Believe in God!

A girl had leukemia and the dad refused to follow the doctors recommendation, instead he kept his daughter at home and was believing God's report that his daughter was healed. The daughter died and everyone came for his head. Even Christians said he was a fool.

A fool for what? For believing God?
For trusting God?

A pastor dies and his pastor brother and family starts praying for his resurrection. Christians on nairaland called them fools, said he is dead and can't return. What?! Can't God raise the Dead? Did the dead bones of Elisha not raise a dead man? How much more the name of the Living Jesus Christ! Can't it raise the dead?

A man was bitten by a snake in Idu-Osun, Osun state some 10years ago. He insisted on staying in Church and praying. He died after about 6 hours in the church. I recall how everyone, including me (I was a christian then) called the man a fool. Said he was testing God?
So trusting God has become testing God?

Why do we call people fools for trusting God?
Does it mean we don't believe God can do the miraculous again?

What would be a pastors reaction if a BEHEADED person is brought to his church and he is asked to pray for the dead person to come to life?

Do we truely believe God or just playing along just in case God exists?

Makes me wonder...

Image123:



She went for her regular check up BUT objected to surgery. So, who is fooling who? A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. God did not stop her from going for REGULAR check ups or for surgery, her husband did. Most Nigerians do not do surgery(popularly called "operation" either because of poverty, or because of fear, not out of faith. They'd rather pray or hope than spend or look for money worth thousands or hundreds of thousands. If someone has kidney issues for instance and it cost 2million to trsvel to India and fix. If they have the money, they will go. If they don't or are not convenient to part with such money, then they will run to church or to media house with picture and pleas. God is not mocked. There is nothing wrong with going ahead with your surgery and trusting God. People die during surgeries too, so its not foolproof too. many Nigerians are afraid of incompetence of our hospitals and doctors, so would rather not have surgery or CS. This is out of fear that somebody will forget scissors inside them, or nepa will take light, or some complication will happen during recovery. In developed countries where CS is easy and commonplace, Nigerians there will choose CS ahead of labour pains. i'm talking experience, not just mouth. So, the root cause is not really about faith or covenants the Lord made. People should learn to act on Rhema not on Logos. Even Peter did not act on Logos, walking on water afterwards, he still used boats. He did not say, Jesus the same forever. He did it for me then and will never fail. Lemme jump inside Galilee. Faith does not work that way.

cc: Ranchhoddas

Seun:
You don't have the right to waste a life that does not belong to you. If you want to waste your own life and orphan your children, go for it. "Nothing fails like prayer" is a common saying.

kilo4sure:

Humanism was born as a bastard child to Christianity.

ayoku777:


Why do people, and atheists in particular, have this idea that once a Christian engages scientific laws in doing something, he has defied spirituality, and is therefore a hypocrite?

The same God who created supernatural laws is the same one who created the laws of physics. And whichever one we decide to harness and engage to solve our problems is fine with God.

The same God who created the heavens and the supernatural laws by which they are ordered is the same one who made the earth and all it's resources and the scientific laws that govern them. So using either one is perfectly good and okay.

God made the earth and gave it to the children of men.

Psalms 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the CHILDREN OF MEN.

And He commanded us to subdue it.

Gen 1v28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, AND SUBDUE IT: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And harnessing the earth's natural resources and engaging it's scientific laws to our benefit are part of how we subdue the earth.

This opinion by some that spirituality is anti-science or vice-versa, is one of the most ignorant and narrow minded opinions.

God is both supernatural and scientific. He is the most supernaturally powerful being in the universe, and also the most scientifically intelligent mind in the universe. In fact, He created the laws of both realms. And He wants us to excel at working and walking in both -the supernatural and the scientific.

So I agree with those who criticized that pastor, who didn't take his daughter to the hospital or give her drugs because he felt it would be an indictment on his faith. That was very ignorant and arrogant of him.

The same God who ordained healing by the laying on of hands, is the same God that ordained healing by the leaves of trees.

Mark 16:18 - ...they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Rev 22:2 -In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree WERE FOR THE HEALING of the nations.

As a Christian, if you know you haven't perfected walking in the supernatural in solving your problems, the scientific is another God-ordained way we are given to solve our problems. God ordained both.

Shalom