EgunMogaji:
Unverified, if true then a slight disaster in the making

https://www.nairaland.com/3264776/money-transfer-service-nigeria-suspended

Only three companies – Western Union, MoneyGram and Ria - will be able to continue operations, following an extreme and unexpected move by the Central Bank of Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/3265066/cbn-blocks-money-transfers-into

Why are you guys in the US having problems with money transfer to Nigeria? It seems a big issue in the US. Here, (UK) any Tom, D and Harry can transfer money with little or no problem. If I could help, let me know.

https://www.cbn.gov.ng/Out/2016/CCD/Beware%20of%20Unregistered%20IMTO%20doc%20final.pdf

He actually used the word "regime"

diordaves:


Why are you guys in the US having problems with money transfer to Nigeria? It seems a big issue in the US. Here, (UK) any Tom, D and Harry can transfer money with little or no problem. If I could help, let me know.

It actually has been smooth sailing there for a while.

gabbytabby:
I would use a formula to arrive at the number per flat and then buy half for the lower flats then adjust as necessary for the upper flats.

Per flat would be
7 of 1.5mm
5 of 2.5mm
1 of 4mm
1 of 6mm

For the green I would have about 2 of 1.5mm per flat and then about 1 of 4mm per flat.
Generally for all flats we will have 2 of 10mm and then 3 of 16mm aluminium. Note all the others are copper wires.

The 25mm the longest I have ever had to buy is 33meters.


Alternatively if you want to avoid going up and down then buy about half of his quote and issue as needed.

They have always used more 1.5mm than 2.5mm.

You have to supervise.

Labour charges my ceiling is 30 for 1bed, 40k for 2beds and 50k for 3bed. Note the use of the word ceiling and more applicable to high end installation with AC, TV points in all rooms and parlor, maybe water heater, generator points and significant double sockets 3 in rooms and kitchen 4 in living room.

Thanks ma'am. This is very educative.

Madam Gabby/Engineers in the house/Electricians.

Trust you are good.
What is your stance on generators and where it should be located ?
Do you do the wiring for tenant generators ?

@Madam Gabby, With regards to your ceiling for the labour prices below, are these for just wiring or for laying the pipes, wiring, fitting the switches/light points, commissioning & testing ?

I just finished my wiring, lighting and meters just got installed. I intend to do a small write up on the last bit which is the meters, hopefully should be able to help a few folks as its one area where the reality can be sometimes different to what they tell you on paper.

On the issue of wiring/meters in a setup where you have a busbar and multiple meters, is it better to use a 10mm copper cable for the cut out for each meter or use recline (16mm), I will reveal my experience shortly.

gabbytabby:
I would use a formula to arrive at the number per flat and then buy half for the lower flats then adjust as necessary for the upper flats.

Per flat would be
7 of 1.5mm
5 of 2.5mm
1 of 4mm
1 of 6mm

For the green I would have about 2 of 1.5mm per flat and then about 1 of 4mm per flat.
Generally for all flats we will have 2 of 10mm and then 3 of 16mm aluminium. Note all the others are copper wires.

The 25mm the longest I have ever had to buy is 33meters.


Alternatively if you want to avoid going up and down then buy about half of his quote and issue as needed.

They have always used more 1.5mm than 2.5mm.

You have to supervise.

Labour charges my ceiling is 30 for 1bed, 40k for 2beds and 50k for 3bed. Note the use of the word ceiling and more applicable to high end installation with AC, TV points in all rooms and parlor, maybe water heater, generator points and significant double sockets 3 in rooms and kitchen 4 in living room.

mufutau55:


Yes! Sometimes I get involved, only when I am respectably called.
Not be only small pikins dey get excited o.

Oga mi, just continue doing your thing.......keep bringing yourself down and watch how God will bring you Up. "Igberaga lo n siwaju iparun"

You be "eni owo" for this platform. If anybody disrespect you on any section for this forum, tag me make I end his/her career. leave the shyt for us to clean.

Would you say in the kitchen, slight above the door leading to it, not directly above the door but somewhere around that area ?

I think if one is looking into the kitchen, its not the first thing you see, you would need to enter the kitchen and then look back towards the door.

twinskenny:


yes oo in case of any incident...in most cases the kitchen or under the stair case is ideal

EgunMogaji:
Unverified, if true then a slight disaster in the making

https://www.nairaland.com/3264776/money-transfer-service-nigeria-suspended

Only three companies – Western Union, MoneyGram and Ria - will be able to continue operations, following an extreme and unexpected move by the Central Bank of Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/3265066/cbn-blocks-money-transfers-into

sir it's ur boy hector, please click on the link on my siggy to vote for falconey for Mr nairaland. The method of voting is on my signature as well.

I will be so grateful if u take just a minute of your time to do that. Thanks so much.

Hello Topsy,

Just looking at my electrical documents, there are about 11 pages of them. The design you talked about, is it the one that specifies how the load should come into the building, so when I open one page I see something about a gear switch first, change over meter,change over etc.

One of them also states the lighting points, size of cables to be buried underground etc, smoke alarm location, 1G or 2G switch . I think its the electrical design diagram but want to be 100% sure. The first page contains signs and symbols etc. Its hard for me to read as I have to keep referring to the first page to see what each symbol means.

Lastly, what is the importance of gear switch if have everywhere metered, and each meter has an isolating switch/fuse anyway. I contracted the drawing out to my architect to do at the time, I am guessing he has his electrical people that he uses as I remember then that one of the guys he uses was delaying the drawings, are you saying that in future, the electrician who is going to do the job should be the one doing the electrical design drawing ?

topsy23:


Well said, the location of the distribution board should be hidden in such a way that it will not be visible by the visitors. Location of switches is one of key point to be noted when doing electrical installation. Switches must not be located at the of the door. That is why electrical design drawing is very important during installation. But in a situation whereby there is no electrical design drawing, Architectural drawings should to be studied strictly and understand the doors openings.

topsy23:


The 1.5mm green cable might be earth cable for the 2.5mm.

yes chief, most definitely.

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Now owned and run by Legrand France, the INDOASIAN brand offers the best package in terms of value and affordability.
Now you can get as close to that premium quality as possible, for relatively lower.

Distribution boards, Gear Switches (Switch disconnector fuses & switch fuse units), changeover switches, busbar chambers etc.
In our strive to constantly offer our customers the best options and value, we are glad to add Legrand (accessories & UPS) and INDOASIAN (full range) to our growing list of distributorship items.

All previously given prices for Legrand accessories no longer apply, prices are lower now.

Egun

Which one be "Agbala Itura", is that the name of your chateau in Cali ?
Sounds white garment institution to me oo

I was expecting something like Egun Rock or Egun Mansions..

EgunMogaji:


Thanks Chief, I'll go check your thread.

Home Automation? Now you're talking my language. I use a combination of Apple HomeKit and Samsung SmartThings app to control my home right now. Same will happen in Ibadan naturally.

@ allCopacetic, I think your industry need to do more to create awareness on good alternatives that are available in the market. You're doing a great job you know. I'm sure you'll agree that there are too many rookies in the business spoiling the show for you guys.

I've had to show Legrand to one friend before and he said his brother recommend one funny Chinese product. He said his electrician claimed Legrand is just a new brand that is yet to be tested.

I just laugh and moved on.

I carefully make my choice when it comes to DBs, Switchgears and Switches. Whilst I can't afford top of the range all the time,8 don't settle for less either.
I do light fittings from Dubai (you'll agree they have good market control in that part of the world) and my boards are from the likes of Legrand, ABB, Havells, MK, Schneider, Bosma and GE.

But to many people, board na board. I've had a heated argument with one electrician while wiring my chateau and wanted to use some imported cables bought from Home Depot and he came up with "Naija cable na de best story." I told him I'm not putting halogen lamps in my rooms but simple Phillips CFL bulbs so please cut the crap.
The wiring is 5+ years old (with average of 12 hours guaranteed power supply each day) and no issues whatsoever.

I'm not saying Naija cable are not the best (neither am I calling it the best) but people should give reasonable judgement.

99% of the electrical components and devices that I bought from abroad are not giving any issues except for those 85 watt bulbs (just because the electrician claimed AKT bulb na the best) that I bought from naija shop that I keep replacing every week.

How the hell on earth will you compare AKT with Phillips Bulbs that come with lifetime guarantee? The one at my porch is over 8 years now because the lamp holders and the bulb and the wire are not from here.

Anyway, I know where to save in my builds and I also know where quality should be upfront.


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Pic: Havells DB at Plot 10AB

Here's a simple one. I need a wireless doorbell for my house and I decided to approach a local electrical shop for available offering and what I was presented is no different from an uncompleted primary school science project.

I requested for same from ASDA. Below are the pics of both product.

If you go to most electrical shops in Nigeria, I'm sure they'll offer you the fake one.

Why is that always the case? All these little things are what causes fire outbreak in most homes.

So, I don't want to sound pessimistic but I think everything out of this part of the world needs a thorough virus scan before it can be said to meet industry standard. If I won't trust the bulb, the sockets, switches, plugs, and most electrical components produced or sold here, why should I trust the wires?

Who certify the cables?


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Pics - Wireless Door Chimes (Internal Components)

mavverick:
Egun

Which one be "Agbala Itura", is that the name of your chateau in Cali ?
Sounds white garment institution to me oo

I was expecting something like Egun Rock or Egun Mansions..

It's a lunch of deception that is served with a side of confusion

Egun recognizes all religion. Like my idol Sheikh Buhari omo Musa says, awon alfa kan nbe ti won de bante

Cutehector:
sir it's ur boy hector, please click on the link on my siggy to vote for falconey for Mr nairaland. The method of voting is on my signature as well.

I will be so grateful if u take just a minute of your time to do that. Thanks so much.

I thank you for the respectful request but I unfortunately will have to decline as I find the whole premise to be juvenile.

Please consider me in the future on topics in properties and auto section.

Good luck.

mavverick:
Madam Gabby/Engineers in the house/Electricians.

Trust you are good.
What is your stance on generators and where it should be located ?
Do you do the wiring for tenant generators ?

@Madam Gabby, With regards to your ceiling for the labour prices below, are these for just wiring or for laying the pipes, wiring, fitting the switches/light points, commissioning & testing ?

I just finished my wiring, lighting and meters just got installed. I intend to do a small write up on the last bit which is the meters, hopefully should be able to help a few folks as its one area where the reality can be sometimes different to what they tell you on paper.

On the issue of wiring/meters in a setup where you have a busbar and multiple meters, is it better to use a 10mm copper cable for the cut out for each meter or use recline (16mm), I will reveal my experience shortly.

I'm looking forward to reading your experiences as I'm at that stage now.

mavverick:
Hello Topsy,

Just looking at my electrical documents, there are about 11 pages of them. The design you talked about, is it the one that specifies how the load should come into the building, so when I open one page I see something about a gear switch first, change over meter,change over etc.

One of them also states the lighting points, size of cables to be buried underground etc, smoke alarm location, 1G or 2G switch . I think its the electrical design diagram but want to be 100% sure. The first page contains signs and symbols etc. Its hard for me to read as I have to keep referring to the first page to see what each symbol means.

Lastly, what is the importance of gear switch if have everywhere metered, and each meter has an isolating switch/fuse anyway. I contracted the drawing out to my architect to do at the time, I am guessing he has his electrical people that he uses as I remember then that one of the guys he uses was delaying the drawings, are you saying that in future, the electrician who is going to do the job should be the one doing the electrical design drawing ?

Boss the design am talking about is the electrical design drawing that include the following;
Lengend(symbols)
Lighting Layout
Power layout(Socket, TV point, AC power position, distribution board position)
External Light
Cable route layout.
Electrical room Layout

Electrician don't know how to design, Engineers normally does the design with the use of autocad but a good electrician should be able to read and understand electrical design drawing in order to work with it. Being an electrical engineer gave me the priviledge to know both electrical design, plumbing design and HVAC design. I have done it for many Nairalanders. Am presently doing a course on ducted AC design for a multi-story/high rise building. No knowledge is lost

Just give some time, I literally just got connected, and there is something I am still waiting for, so like 90% done, let me reach 100% first and have it all in the bag.

If I talk now, thier Oga might be reading this page, you want make the guy go blacklist me ? Abi u want make my former engineer go do AMEBO ?

Its just mainly tips and my experience sha with EKDC.

EgunMogaji:


I'm looking forward to reading your experiences as I'm at that stage now.

Yes, I can confirm that is what I have here . Makes me feel better, I don't expect that 100% of everything on paper is what is on ground, I expect some small changes, for example sometimes during construction layout changes can occur etc, and I remember the electrician showing me some of the mistake brabus made and some of the things that were meant to be done but did not happen.

After construction etc, what purpose does that document serve and how will it be useful apart from things like fault finding/understanding for someone new, for example I know exactly where the cables are buried and what route they took etc. The reason I ask is that my electrician does not reside in Lagos, and I know that sooner than later, I will need a local guy that can fix small stuff urgently, I just want to know what instructions to give him.

Thanks Topsy.

topsy23:


Boss the design am talking about is the electrical design drawing that include the following;
Lengend(symbols)
Lighting Layout
Power layout(Socket, TV point, AC power position, distribution board position)
External Light
Cable route layout.
Electrical room Layout

Electrician don't know how to design, Engineers normally does the design with the use of autocad but a good electrician should be able to read and understand electrical design drawing in order to work with it. Being an electrical engineer gave me the priviledge to know both electrical design, plumbing design and HVAC design. I have done it for many Nairalanders. Am presently doing a course on ducted AC design for a multi-story/high rise building. No knowledge is lost

Talking of DB.This is in my apartment. What do u think?
Cc: allCopacetic, mavverick , topsy23,EgunMogaji,

mavverick:
Just give some time, I literally just got connected, and there is something I am still waiting for, so like 90% done, let me reach 100% first and have it all in the bag.

If I talk now, thier Oga might be reading this page, you want make the guy go blacklist me ? Abi u want make my former engineer go do AMEBO ?

Its just mainly tips and my experience sha with EKDC.

I hear you now.

It's a shame that you don't know who is who anymore with all the juvenile delinquents and their multitude of userids.

I mostly don't accept invites, emails, WhatsApp from Nairalanders anymore.

Eyan buruku tiba eyan rere je.

danowena:
Talking of DP.This is in my apartment. What do u think?
Cc: allCopacetic, mavverick , topsy23,EgunMogaji,

That's a big beyotch.

My concern is amperage in light (pun) of the potential breakers.

Good looking though but I'm using USA spec and style due to the government oversight on quality.

diordaves:


Why are you guys in the US having problems with money transfer to Nigeria? It seems a big issue in the US. Here, (UK) any Tom, D and Harry can transfer money with little or no problem. If I could help, let me know.

We have been having all sorts of problem ever since the Sept. 11th, problem. Before then, things were running smooth.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


The guy just post and disappeared. You won't see any other post from him... I tire for the moderating here o...

Hajji M.

Hope I'm not derailing this thread.

Funny. Just found one of my old posts (2012) on how I planned to moderate Nairaland boards.

I never knew that the job description is different from what I have in mind. Everything I had in mind was exactly opposite what Nairaland is all about.

brabus: My own idea of moderation

Being the moderator of a forum like Nairaland means you should be aware of each and every activities going on inside the forums, who posted today, who replied, which thread is trending, where and what? Who came online? It is a tough job especially on boards like politics, properties, job and sports with high traffic and activities

A moderator needs to be friendly but not over-friendly with members. A moderator is not a demi-god that every one in the forum should listen to, he's not an egocentric person. A moderator is not an oversabi person, he doesn’t do more than expected of him.
A moderator is timely, proactive and punctual. He relieves the admin.

_________________________


How I plan to moderate

1. What's best, not what's new.

Its all about knowing what people wants. I may delete entire thread that aren't going anywhere. I know this will hurt some feelings but it will substantially raises the quality of the forum.

The idea is to have an interesting forum that serves the content and the readers, not a free-for-all forum for spammers. I'll also be ruthless in deleting contributions with incivilities, rants, and personal commentary on other contributors.

I'll work with the technical team of the forum to setup a filter that will automatically deflect certain trigger words.


2. Pre-moderated Topics

I'll like to program in pre-approval only on sensitive topics. This means all comments posted on such topics are reviewed by the moderator before going live.


3. Ban Spammers. Ban their IPs

Time-limited punishments for people not willing to follow the rules. Timed suspension of 1 - 7 days for minor offenders and their email address will be logged.
Serious offenders should be made invisible to the forum, they'll be participating normally but other members won't see their post or be able to respond to their post.

They'll remain ineffective as they are permanently a Ghost member.


So help me God!

danowena:
Talking of DP.This is in my apartment. What do u think?
Cc: allCopacetic, mavverick , topsy23,EgunMogaji,

Are you talking about double pole(DP) switch for AC and water heater?

Generally I do the wires for the generator as I want to reduce the incidence of trailing wires and associated safety issues. Generators are usually located in balcony and away from cooking gas point.

Ceiling price is all inclusive but I end up paying for transportation and 1 meal a day which adds up.

mavverick:
Madam Gabby/Engineers in the house/Electricians.

Trust you are good.
What is your stance on generators and where it should be located ?
Do you do the wiring for tenant generators ?

@Madam Gabby, With regards to your ceiling for the labour prices below, are these for just wiring or for laying the pipes, wiring, fitting the switches/light points, commissioning & testing ?

I just finished my wiring, lighting and meters just got installed. I intend to do a small write up on the last bit which is the meters, hopefully should be able to help a few folks as its one area where the reality can be sometimes different to what they tell you on paper.

On the issue of wiring/meters in a setup where you have a busbar and multiple meters, is it better to use a 10mm copper cable for the cut out for each meter or use recline (16mm), I will reveal my experience shortly.

I just love this thread.

gabbytabby:
Generally I do the wires for the generator as I want to reduce the incidence of trailing wires and associated safety issues. Generators are usually located in balcony and away from cooking gas point.

Ceiling price is all inclusive but I end up paying for transportation and 1 meal a day which adds up.

Wow! I used to think keeping gen sets on balcony is dangerous to the structure of buildings.

Ceiling for everything. I got a labour quote for piping security house alone for 46k. It seems as if I will need ur services as project manager/consultant.

I heard having Gens on the balcony is not good cos the vibration weakens the structure...Which kinda make sense.

n3xt:
@ allCopacetic, I think your industry need to do more to create awareness on good alternatives that are available in the market. You're doing a great job you know. I'm sure you'll agree that there are too many rookies in the business spoiling the show for you guys. I've had to show Legrand to one friend before and he said his brother recommend one funny Chinese product. He said his electrician claimed Legrand is just a new brand that is yet to be tested.


I do light fittings from Dubai (you'll agree they have good market control in that part of the world)


99% of the electrical components and devices that I bought from abroad are not giving any issues except for those 85 watt bulbs (just because the electrician claimed AKT bulb na the best) that I bought from naija shop that I keep replacing every week.
How the hell on earth will you compare AKT with Phillips Bulbs that come with lifetime guarantee? The one at my porch is over 8 years now because the lamp holders and the bulb and the wire are not from here.

Thanks,
Well that’s the beauty of the free world, everybody is armed with an opinion, anybody can be an authority on anything, informed or not.
You don’t know the challenges.. particularly with electricians who cannot even distinguish a fake from an original, these sort of people are the backbone of misinformation. when for any reason a supplier supplies fake materials, the electrician should ideally serve as a filter . But to be frank with you, when it comes down to the nitty gritty of material identification, only a very very select few are up to the task.
I remember the scenario topsy talked about recently with a client, Fake cables supplied as Nigerian wire, If he hadn’t known enough to detect that and also stand his ground against the supplier, the customer would have assumed he got a great bargain, and that the shyster seller who actually sold him fake is a wonderful person while topsy who quoted the price of real Nigeria cable is trying to rip him off.
If most electricians are competent and knowledgeable it would help stem the proliferation of fake goods. Because their customers would be guided accordingly. Admittedly this can be a little difficult with some type of products; especially for people who are not within the market, as counterfeiters are getting better.

Yes they do. Yatai lighting and OK lighting in dubai make some very great products. Almost all of our lightings are from Dubai, meanwhile cheaper chinese versions of the various designs are common place.

Well AKT is a very decent brand, it now boils down to wether you actually got an original or a fake. clearly not the best CFL bulb, as there are more expensive and higher quality options even in Nigeria, but its a good one nonetheless.

n3xt:
Here's a simple one. I need a wireless doorbell for my house and I decided to approach a local electrical shop for available offering and what I was presented is no different from an uncompleted primary school science project.
I requested for same from ASDA. Below are the pics of both product.
If you go to most electrical shops in Nigeria, I'm sure they'll offer you the fake one.
Why is that always the case? All these little things are what causes fire outbreak in most homes.


So, I don't want to sound pessimistic but I think everything out of this part of the world needs a thorough virus scan before it can be said to meet industry standard. If I won't trust the bulb, the sockets, switches, plugs, and most electrical components produced or sold here, why should I trust the wires?
Who certify the cables?

Demand drives supply.
The growing influx of substandard products is driven largely by buying choices. Note…. I’m not talking about original or fake . I mean substandard low quality brands vs higher quality brands. Those who sell both low and high quality offerings of the same item will tell you they sell ten times more of the cheap, lower quality option than they do the more expensive higher quality ones. The few well to do people (middle and upper class) who look out for quality brands only constitute a small percentage of the population so you can guess on which side the b
I’m sure the cost difference is as glaring and wide as the quality difference, that’s a simple thing we have to come to terms with. You cannot buy an item for N10 and get N100 value. That’s impossible
Where It becomes a problem is when reputable brands are faked and brought in, deceiving buyers who are actually in the market for good quality , giving those who make effort to sell original items the uphill task of competing with a sea of identical looking goods that cost considerably less. How do you convince a man who is not oppurtuned to do a side by side comparison that the identical looking ABB board that his electrician certified ok is different from what you are selling for 30% to 40% higher. You don’t know the struggle.
The onus Is now on the end user to put in extra effort and due diligence and source for correct information


LOL, you dey make me laugh, we might aswell put naija on ebay, and abandon ship. but the same thing as above applies to you oo, afterall you saw phillips, GE , OSRAM, Sylvania, BG and co in Nigeria too before you opted to buy AKT
Good stuff day Naija in that regards, the problem is purchasing power and orientation.


for instance the LED candelabra bulb attached below sells for 800 - 900 while a lower quality of the exact same thing can be gotten for about 400. but if you turn on the two bulbs side by side... score sheet go show immediately. If it takes the guy who imports the cheaper one 6 months to sell a container, it'll take my guy 6 years to sell his , and bear in mind, this quality is still lower and cheaper than the likes of Phillips and osram ooo,