donnffd:


Comparing the soul to a software is almost accurate...

Yes, the software is the immaterial part of the computer and can be regarded as the heart or soul of the machine, but because its immaterial doesnt mean its indestructible.

donnffd:

Take a look at the human brain, it is made up of 87 billion neurons with trillions and trillions of connections, it is the most complex object that we know of in the entire universe right now. How does it work?, it uses Neurotransmitters to send signals from one neuron to the other, how it creates a sense of self?, we dont know, not because its unknowable,but because its very complex. Ultimately the brain is a computer, a very complex computer that is processing information in such a complex way that creates awareness.

donnffd:

Back to the software, software instructions are just electrical pulses of ones and zeroes stored in the RAM and once the RAM is destroyed, so is the so called "immaterial" software, it doesnt survive the death of the computer and for that exact reason did they create a mechanism for users to copy out the contents of the memory to an external device in the event the degradation of the RAM occurs, the contents wont be lost.

donnffd:

Now, the moment you show me how that process can be replicated with the human brain and all of its electrical activities, then i would agree that yes, the soul does indeed survive the death of the brain, until then, the soul is truly like a software, immaterial in such that it is the activity of the brain and not the brain itself, and if the hardware in which it is running on gets degarded, it stops existing...

davien:
You certainly are illiterate.

shadeyinka:



What a shame. Coma is competly different from NDE. In a coma, there is still Brain Activity. In NDE no Brain Activity.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a1

shadeyinka:


Another vocabulary I am learning today. The first was Deist and now I am learning about Monist. LOL...justifying Atheism is a complex affair!


Seriously, If I get you right can we say that Atheists believe that the soul is the Brain or a product of the Brain?

davien:
Anyone with a dictionary and close to that fellow should read to him what "relay" is defined as and then tell him to read my post from the very beginning very slowly so he can understand it,tough times in the educational system these days.

frank317:
Do Christians have brains


Why is the Christians concept of brain.

I am asking this because Christians are of the opinion that we should believe and not think. One should never be inquisitive, just don't ask questions but just believe that a sky daddy spoke this world out of existence and it suddenly went out if his control and he decided to create another imaginary world called heaven but u must go there if u just believe in one man that was killed thousand years ago as the only some of this creator.. lol.

So please do Christians have brain?

winner01:
Atheism justifies its stand by proclaiming a strictly materialistic worldview.
The irreparable human death disproves this nonsense.

They all got their different philosophy of life, lets see.

Btw, good question Op.

OgundeleT:
the day all these so call educated Christian know the meaning of atheism will be the day they will stop asking unnecessary question.

yemmit90:


So what is your point now?

Your soul is independent element living inside of you?

Suppose you went to a hospital to treat yourself of Malaria and you were admitted. Let's assume the Doctor did a fast one on you and gave you a drug that knocked you out for 3 months.

At the end of the 3 months you awoke went to the mirror and discovered that your whole body has been completely changed. You look exactly like President Buhari.

Will you confuse your identity? Will you say "I am PMB?".

No way! You will probably say "who did this to ME? Who changed MY body?

CoolUsername:


How does the death of brain cells disprove materialism?

OgundeleT:
the day all these so call educated Christianatheists know the meaning of atheismChristianity will be the day they will stop asking unnecessary question.

frank317:
Do Christians have brains


Why is the Christians concept of brain.

I am asking this because Christians are of the opinion that we should believe and not think. One should never be inquisitive, just don't ask questions but just believe that a sky daddy spoke this world out of existence and it suddenly went out if his control and he decided to create another imaginary world called heaven but u must go there if u just believe in one man that was killed thousand years ago as the only some of this creator.. lol.

So please do Christians have brain?

winner01:
Can we transpant living brain cells to dead bodies to power them up??

raphieMontella:

op shadeyinka...
Pls and pls do ur proper research on the workings of the brain...
What u call the soul is actuallly consiousness...and that soul is not an independent object capable of existing,thinking,making decisions of its own...(moral)
The brain presents the mind(soul) and not the other way round...
Ur concept of the soul is actually found in animals also..unless u are to admit animals have eternal life in eida heaven or hell etc
the soul is not a being...

raphieMontella:

The brain presents the mind(soul) and not the other way round...

yemmit90:


So what is your point now?

Your soul is independent element living inside of you?

onetrack:


Yes, and observations of brain injuries and the resulting personality changes would be cited as evidence of that.

winner01:
Can we transpant living brain cells to dead bodies to power them up??

shadeyinka:


I am not sure I understand you. If I get it correctly, you are saying:

Defects/Malfunctions in the CPU has proved that the controlling force of a computer is the CPU and not the Operating system.

Youbcan see that your conclusion is flawed.

The Soul is the Operating System of the Brain.

onetrack:


I disagree. The soul is the output of the brain's construction. Alter the construction and the soul changes. At least, that is how I see it.

I disagree. The soul Operating System is the output of the brain's Central Processing Unit(CPU) construction. Alter the construction and the soul Operating System changes. At least, that is how I see it.

CoolUsername:


Nerve tissue doesn't heal properly.

You're a tragic case.

shadeyinka:


I guess that you do NOT understand the concept of the soul from the Theist point of view and so, you have misrepresented it and used it as a basis for your Atheistic conclusions.

-The Soul is the Software of the Body.
-The Soul is the center of Emotion, Will and Intellect.
-The hardware interface of the Soul to the Physical world is the Body
-The Soul is the Identity and Consciousness of an individual
-All Animals have a soul
-In addition to the Soul, the human being has a spirit that makes his soul eternal.

If you look at a computer, the relationship between the Body and Soul is like that of the CPU and the Operating System.

As you can see, it is perfectly logical.




You are just saying things like: The CPU (Brain) of a computer is the Life of a computer!

This of course is NOT correct. Just as without the OS, the CPU is lifeless so also without the SOUL, the Brain is lifeless.

shadeyinka:


I am sure that the meaning of Atheism is not a Dogmatic, Frigid, and Unreasonable CONCLUSION that the invisible component like soul or spirit do not exist.

Many of my Atheist friends are willing to discuss intellectual evaluation of Theism and Atheism.

If yours is an obstinate decision about Atheism then you are as guilty as those Christians who cannot defend the concept of spirituality except only by FAITH.

raphieMontella:

i didnt need to bring long issues here thats why i wraped it up
..the soul from a theistic view is capable of existing on its own with spirit as u said...
Can u kindly prove animals dont have spirits attached to their souls?

raphieMontella:

U misunderstand a lot on this ur soul as a hardware stuff....chemicals brother,neurochemicals.. a bunch of neurochemicals are bases(building blocks of all these)

raphieMontella:

thats why a dream feels like a journey of the ''soul'' bt its actually ur brain playing mind tricks with u...
Ur spirit-like soul theistically is capable of making decisions ryt?...a base for morals ryt?...

raphieMontella:

M deviating a bit..bt they are all in the same line as it is a property of the said soul..
U see there's this tin called instinct... in the
christian cults we have the belief in a blissful life
after death for our soul where all our worldly sorrows will be
taken away.

A kangaroo climbs into its mother's pouch upon being born. Honeybees communicate by dancing in the direction of a food source without formal instruction. Other examples include animal fighting, animal courtship behavior, internal escape functions, and the building of nests.

raphieMontella:

Our morality instincts led us to create what theists call god...not the other way round..
Why are there so many different Moral
viewpoints? If there is only one God and Morality
came from God then why can no two cultures agree
on Morality issues, and why has Morality always
evolved over history, even within one culture?
Why do all kids not grow towards one distinct god before corrupted by different religions if the source of the ''soul'' which embodes morality is one god?..

raphieMontella:

During childbirth...the love a mother shows to a child is determined by the oxytocin levels released by her brain...
If the amt of oxytocin released is little it makes such a woman not care up to standards for her child...can we now say this woman is immoral or a bad person?or evil?
No bro..t was as a result of the level of what was released...
Jst do a lotta researches bro...
With a straight mind..not a theistic one...u'd grab more...

shadeyinka:


How LOGICAL is this statement.



My Bro. Admit the fact that their is a flaw in the complete materialistic view of Atheists regarding existence. If you are wrong in this, you may be wrong in other views regarding the non physical exixtence and spirituality.

shadeyinka:



Thanks for your post. I can see that you have taken the case with a conclusion that the soul exists AND that it is NOT a brain/biological phenomenon.

Actually, except we can explain away the experimentally/scientific verified phenomenon of Near Death Experiences, the Soul exists OUTSIDE the body and it may not just be a Biological/Chemical reactions in the brain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QE7B2SJSC8

NDEs cannot be Dreams or Hallucinations because usually the brain activity is dead. I guess its something sincere Atheists need to examine. Its not really about finding God but finding Yourself.

Although, if a person can exist as a soul outside his body, then his arguments against the spiritual fall down like a pack of cards.

winner01:
Fixed!!!

OgundeleT:

that is why i say u need to educate urself on what atheism means. atheist is not what you generalise, because atheist itself is just disbelieve in any god, it is just one stand on believing god/gods no doctrine and no system of believe. so asking such a question by directing it to atheists meaningless.

felixomor:



My different posts on NDEs across many threads on this nairaland remain unresolved by even the seemingly smart among them.
Science is still struggling with how to explain the phenonemom.
They dont know what to ascribe it to. They have tried severally.

The most stunning part is that there are known atheists who died and experienced the phenomenon, came back and narrated God.
If it was really a function of the brain, such people wont experience NDEs pointing them to God, since their brains are filled with information of "No God".