Fairgodwin:

May God bless you jare. In fact, restitution is a must for every genuine born again Christian.

Until you oppose me with a SINGLE verse, I will only consider you, a misled fellow. Thus; an unbeliever.

Pvin:
Perhaps restitution will emancipate one from psychological bondage caused as a result of his or her sin.

Self satisfaction!

holluphemydavid:
To restitute Is not easy though, but it's somtin as a Christian nid to do, for instance, u had caused somebody somtin dat willl neva forget in his or her lifetime, hw we someone go to such person to make restitution(in a case dat death is involved and dey neva knw u were d caused)

Friend, just forgive yourself and forget about this!

Jesus has taken your punishment for this, why are you trying to take the punishment on yourself?? Just, WHY?

It is good, but if it will worsen your problem don't just do it!

How hard is it to accept a sacrifice that was done on your behalf? Don't harm yourself in something that adds no value to the FREE GIFT of salvation of the lord.

Restitution is good, but ON WHAT GROUND are you doing it? To be right with God?

You are not made right with God on the basis of YOUR VERY OWN GOODNESS(including restitution), but on the basis of BELIEVING and ACCEPTING the goodness of Jesus that was shown to ALL at the cross ON YOUR VERY OWN BEHALF.

promise10:

I just hating talking about biblical matters without quoting any scripture to back yourself up! I preach Jesus, that's why I would always back it up with his word. So learn it!

I am misleading people? Prove this with scripture, even if a single verse that contradicts what I have talked about so far.

Restitution, a MUST? Then the criminal at the cross was NEVER saved, the adulterer was never saved and so on. The paralysed man that Jesus forgave his sins in the synagogue, why did jesus forgive the man, even without telling him to restitute?

RESTITUTION IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR GETTING SAVED.

PROOFS:
Romans 11:6;6 And IF by grace, then is it NO
MORE OF WORKS(including restitution):
OTHERWISE GRACE IS NO MORE GRACE. But if it
be of works, then is it NO MORE GRACE: otherwise
work is no more work.

Eph 2:8-9;"8 For by grace are ye saved through
faith; and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF
GOD:
9 NOT OF WORKS(including restitution), lest any
man should boast."

Romans 3:24 "Being justified(made righteous,
saved) FREELY(not demanding your goodness/
good works including restitution) by his grace through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus:"

Titus 3:5;"He saved us, NOT BECAUSE of any works
of righteousness(like restitution) that we had done,
BUT BECAUSE OF HIS OWN PITY AND MERCY, by [the] cleansing [bath](finished work) of the new birth (regeneration) and renewing of the Holy Spirit," AMPC

Roman 4:5;"But to one who, NOT WORKING[by the
Law;(e.g; restitution), trusts (believes fully) in Him
Who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness (the STANDING ACCEPTABLE to God)."

There a
re just many proofs, but I will stop here. If you have ANY(even if 1) verse contradicting all these proof then post it here publicly.


You gave an example and in that example you sounded so hypocritical!

Let's look at it this way:

Let's say that you are 45yrs at
this moment. So when you were 10, you worked as an ice-cream seller under a ice-cream business owner. Now, back to 35yrs ago, you stole #5 ONLY just to buy a sweet. And you cover it from your master and he didn't know up till now. Now that you are now born again, sincerely answer this question. Assuming you remember that #5 you stole from your master 35yrs ago, WILL YOU RESTITUTE IT?

Hypocrisy is devilish and can be dangerous!

What of cases whereby it is possible to restitute, are you suggesting i do it if i feel like? It simply means you are mocking God.
If i stole from my office yesterday nko, you saying i should make amends for the wrongs if i want to and not because its a must? Habaa! You are misleading people naa

Proverbs 28:13. Whosoever covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy

The forsake in that verse should have been irrelevant if all we only need was to confess.

In Exodus 21 and 22, Leviticus 6 and Numbers 5. We see laws set by God peradventure if the Israelites erred, they should restitute but just as our New muti super mega churches preach, the old testament has been erased.


Nehemiah 5:6-13, we saw how Nehemiah restituted back but am sure the only chapter you know is Romans because its all about GRACE

Philemon 7-21, Paul promised to pay Philemon all what his son, Oneimus owed. Maybe Paul forgot that Jesus has already paid it all.

When a man is saved, he is to make right all wrongs he has made to his fellow man either by returning back, or confessing. In some cases, we need to pray to God for wisdom if restituting may bring harm to the person.

Matthew 5:23-24 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the alter, and there rememberest that thy brother has aught against thee, leave there thy gift before the alter and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother and then come and offer thy gift

If this verse isnt enough to show you that restitution is as important as the praises and worship and anything you gave God today, then i will put your moniker in my prayers..


I suggest you read other books of the bible. Na only Romans you sabi.

And please dont quote me here if you still need help. Pm me. Am at your service.

Shalom

exhibition:
Restitution is restoring back what one has stolen, giving back where one has defrauded, paying debts, Making right lies told where someone has been offended and where the Spirit of God points to us specifically to make rights in our day to day human living and interactions.

NOTE: It is done when a person is genuinely saved from sin.

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

As a real born Again Christian,

The Spirit of God guides and brings to our remembrance sins that we need to make restitution for through his word or The Spirit leading.

Restitution is a REQUIREMENT for making heaven. Making restitution is following peace with our fellow human.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, AND holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Prepare to meet the Lord. Restitution is important with salvation to make heaven, don't be deceived

When I read your post, all I could do was to shake my head in your ignorance of God's word!

Let's look at it this way:

Let's say that you are 45yrs at this moment. So when you were 10, you worked as an ice-cream seller under a ice-cream business owner. Now, back to 35yrs ago, you stole #5 ONLY just to buy a sweet. And you cover it from your master and he didn't know up till now. Now that you are now born again, sincerely answer this question. Assuming you remember that #5 you stole from your master 35yrs ago, WILL YOU RESTITUTE IT?

Contrary to what you said, restitution will ONLY make people to THINK that one is saved, even if the person is not saved. Restitution doesn't give salvation. It is impossible for people to TRULY know that one is saved, unless they can be like God to truly search their hearts to know if they are TRULY BELIEVING and RELYING in the FREE GIFT of salvation which justifies. God doesn't counts us righteous through self-righteousness but through the faith of christ.


rom 4:5(AMP);"But to the one who DOES NOT WORK[that is, the one who DOES NOT TRY to earn his salvation by DOING GOOD(e.g;restitution)], but
believes and COMPLETELY TRUSTS in Him who justifies the ungodly, HIS FAITH IS CREDITED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (right standing with God)."

Phil 3:9;"and may be found in Him [BELIEVING AND RELYING ON HIM], NOT HAVING any righteousness of my own derived from [my obedience to] the Law and its rituals, but [possessing] that [genuine righteousness] WHICH COMES THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST, the righteousness which comes from God on the BASIS OF FAITH(believing)."

If you don't like these verses, you can tear them out of your bible! If you have any contradicting verse put it up!

I have explained the case of Zacchaeus in my first post. I won't talk about it again, until you oppose what I said there by pointing out;
1, Where Jesus asked him to restitute
2, Why jesus didn't ask the criminal, the samarian woman, and the adulterer to restitute
3, A paralysed man was brought to Jesus from the roof of the synagogue where Jesus was preached. When Jesus saw him he shouted "Man you sins are forgiven". Why didn't jesus ask the man to restitute before being right with God?

As for Acts 24:16, I am coming for you on that.

I have NO doubt that the holyspirit can have a hand in restitution, but when your so-called holyspirit is making it to look like what completes or a requirement to achieving the FREE GIFT of salvation, then it is SIMPLY NOT the holyspirit. It is just the devil making use of your conscience to deceive you. God CANNOT be against his word! Remember, holyspirit is a term used for God in us. He is still God!

Gal 1:8;" But EVEN IF WE, or AN ANGEL from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we [originally] preached to you, let him be condemned to destruction!"


For the rest, I will talk about it on a different post to make things short.

exhibition:
Restitution is restoring back what one has stolen, giving back where one has defrauded, paying debts, Making right lies told where someone has been offended and where the Spirit of God points to us specifically to make rights in our day to day human living and interactions.

NOTE: It is done when a person is genuinely saved from sin.

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

As a real born Again Christian,

The Spirit of God guides and brings to our remembrance sins that we need to make restitution for through his word or The Spirit leading.

Restitution is a REQUIREMENT for making heaven. Making restitution is following peace with our fellow human.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, AND holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Prepare to meet the Lord. Restitution is important with salvation to make heaven, don't be deceived

You are making acts 24:16 to look as if it is supporting restitution(works) + grace = eternal life which is TOTALLY flawed according to roman 11:6.

In this answer, we are going to look into the chapter you quoted IN CONTEXT. Note: in context.

Acts 24:14-16:"14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.


Paul in that chapter was accused falsely for preaching Jesus which the jews didn't believe in.

In vs 14; he said that after the way the jews call heresy, he worships the God of his fathers and BELIEVING ALL things which were written in the laws and prophets.

Note: there was no new testament scripture when he said this, because the revelation of the finished work of christ was not yet in circulation.

But he said, he believed ALL THINGS which were written in the laws and prophets. Why? Because they were the only thing that can be used to identify the glory that follows the finished work of christ.

The content of the prophets and law which he simply believed, is just talking about ONE MAN, Jesus.

Jesus is the summary of the prophets and laws

Luke 24:44;"Then He said to them, “This is what I
told you while I was still with you, everything which has been written ABOUT ME in the LAWS OF MOSES and the [writings of the] PROPHETS and the PSALMS must be fulfilled.”

John 5:39;"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which TESTIFY OF ME."
What's the scripture Jesus was talking about? OT, because there was NO NT scriptures when Jesus said that.

John 1:45;"Philip found Nathanael and told him, “We have found the One Moses in the LAW and also the PROPHETS WROTE ABOUT—Jesus from Nazareth, the son of Joseph [according to public record].”

Luke 24:25-27;25 then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the (OT)PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN:
26 (what's the content of their prophecies?)Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And BEGINNING AT MOSES and ALL THE PROPHETS he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF.

Now in vs 15; he said that he has hope towards God in the resurrection of the dead, both the just and the unjust

Finally, vs 16; he says "16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men."

Which means, that in this FAITH(hope, vs 15) he has towards God, he do exercise himself, to always have a conscience void of offence towards God and towards men. He didn't say by his good works and he NEVER mentioned anything that looked like restitution there. Rather he said; HEREIN(his faith towards God) he exercises himself to always have a conscience void of offence toward God(by his faith unto the resurrection of the dead) and towards men.

izzou:


What of cases whereby it is possible to restitute, are you suggesting i do it if i feel like? It simply means you are mocking God.
If i stole from my office yesterday nko, you saying i should make amends for the wrongs if i want to and not because its a must? Habaa! You are misleading people naa

Proverbs 28:13. Whosoever covereth his sins shall not prosper, but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy

The forsake in that verse should have been irrelevant if all we only need was to confess.

In Exodus 21 and 22, Leviticus 6 and Numbers 5. We see laws set by God peradventure if the Israelites erred, they should restitute but just as our New muti super mega churches preach, the old testament has been erased.


Nehemiah 5:6-13, we saw how Nehemiah restituted back but am sure the only chapter you know is Romans because its all about GRACE

Philemon 7-21, Paul promised to pay Philemon all what his son, Oneimus owed. Maybe Paul forgot that Jesus has already paid it all.

When a man is saved, he is to make right all wrongs he has made to his fellow man either by returning back, or confessing. In some cases, we need to pray to God for wisdom if restituting may bring harm to the person.

Matthew 5:23-24 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the alter, and there rememberest that thy brother has aught against thee, leave there thy gift before the alter and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother and then come and offer thy gift

If this verse isnt enough to show you that restitution is as important as the praises and worship and anything you gave God today, then i will put your moniker in my prayers..


I suggest you read other books of the bible. Na only Romans you sabi.

And please dont quote me here if you still need help. Pm me. Am at your service.

Shalom

I AM NOT HERE FOR YOUR HELP!

A blind man cannot lead someone who can see!

So stop it and prove yourself with God's word, instead of running around like ...., sorry.

promise10:

I AM NOT HERE FOR YOUR HELP!

A blind man cannot lead someone who can see!

So stop it and prove yourself with God's word, instead of running around like ...., sorry.

I wasnt quoting the Qur'an naa

But from your writeup, i know you now understand me

Still your brother in Christ

And please pm me. We both could share God's word together

Even if i am blind, you could lead me since you can see.

God bless

Jeel:
Restitution basically is paying for your wrongs.

So as a Christian today should we restitute?

Pls support your stand with cogent reasons and scriptures if possible. Thank you!

1) If possible e.g. funds or material or property return and that is IF LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT not sentiment, flesh, guilty conscience or pressure from others and WOULD NOT HARM another. For the believer he is a NEW CREATURE for whom the past is gone. Everything is now NEW.
2) How do you restitute adultery or murder?

Move on in Christ!

Restitution is not consistent with truth about salvation. If I still need to pay back for my sin, why did Christ die. Secondly, can you explain how I will restitute for women I slept with before salvation? I will unsleep them, right?

omobaba101:
Restitution is not consistent with truth about salvation. If I still need to pay back for my sin, why did Christ die. Secondly, can you explain how I will restitute for women I slept with before salvation? I will unsleep them, right?

lollss

omojeesu:


1) If possible e.g. funds or material or property return and that is IF LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT not sentiment, flesh, guilty conscience or pressure from others and WOULD NOT HARM another. For the believer he is a NEW CREATURE for whom the past is gone. Everything is now NEW.
2) How do you restitute adultery or murder?

Move on in Christ!

Good!

omobaba101:
Restitution is not consistent with truth about salvation. If I still need to pay back for my sin, why did Christ die. Secondly, can you explain how I will restitute for women I slept with before salvation? I will unsleep them, right?

That's, I just WONDER!

If I stole #5 from my father 35yrs ago, should I now restitute it? Who will do that?

If restituting it makes me right with God, then christ's death is a stupidity and a TOTAL nonsense and foolishness. That's how cross-less preachers are making the finished work of christ to look like. But God will all defeat them!

izzou:


I wasnt quoting the Qur'an naa
But from your writeup, i know you now understand me
Still your brother in Christ
And please pm me. We both could share God's word together
Even if i am blind, you could lead me since you can see.
God bless

Ok bye!

exhibition:
Restitution is restoring back what one has stolen, giving back where one has defrauded, paying debts, Making right lies told where someone has been offended and where the Spirit of God points to us specifically to make rights in our day to day human living and interactions.

NOTE: It is done when a person is genuinely saved from sin.

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

As a real born Again Christian,

The Spirit of God guides and brings to our remembrance sins that we need to make restitution for through his word or The Spirit leading.

Restitution is a REQUIREMENT for making heaven. Making restitution is following peace with our fellow human.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, AND holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Prepare to meet the Lord. Restitution is important with salvation to make heaven, don't be deceived

YOU SAID THIS:Restitution is a REQUIREMENT for making heaven. Making restitution is following peace with our fellow human.

PLEASE PROVE THE ABOVE FALSEHOOD TO BE TRUE WITH GOD'S WORD. Because I consider this as an ALL-TIME falsehood against the finished work of christ.

First of all, going to heaven literally means having eternal life!

Restitution is NOT a requirement for receiving eternal life! If you have proofs I challenge you to bring it up! JUST A SINGLE VERSE IS ENOUGH! Why is it too hard to back your facts with scriptures? Just try!

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death(which jesus single-handedly paid for on our behalf even without asking if we were good enough rom 4:25); but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Eternal life is a FREE GIFT OF GOD!

Rom 5:15-17;15 But not as the offence, so also is the FREE GIFT. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the FREE GIFT BY GRACE, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, SO IS THE FREE GIFT: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the FREE GIFT IS OF MANY OFFENCES UNTO JUSTIFICATION.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the FREE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

If you are annoyed that eternal life is a free gift, then just tear these verses out of your bible and I am serious about it. Very simple!

So, if a FREE GIFT should demand good works like restitution, then it is no more a free gift.

A free gift is UNCONDITIONAL!

That was what paul was talking about in rom11:6, that if eternal life/salvation(going to heaven) is by FREE GIFT(grace), it is NO MORE by any good work. Otherwise, a FREE GIFT is NO MORE FREE GIFT.

A gift is a free gift because it is FREELY GIVEN!

Rom 3:24 ; "being justified FREELY(not demanding your goodness e.g restitution) by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Restitution is not a sign of following peace with all men. Someone can restitute and still have hatred for the person he is restituting to. LOVE is the sign of following peace with all men. And when you didn't restitute because of one thing or the other but have accepted the love of Jesus that was shown to all at the cross on your behalf, then you are saved.

Note: salvation is not by grace + restitution but grace alone.

exhibition:
Restitution is restoring back what one has stolen, giving back where one has defrauded, paying debts, Making right lies told where someone has been offended and where the Spirit of God points to us specifically to make rights in our day to day human living and interactions.

NOTE: It is done when a person is genuinely saved from sin.

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

As a real born Again Christian,

The Spirit of God guides and brings to our remembrance sins that we need to make restitution for through his word or The Spirit leading.

Restitution is a REQUIREMENT for making heaven. Making restitution is following peace with our fellow human.
Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, AND holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Prepare to meet the Lord. Restitution is important with salvation to make heaven, don't be deceived

You quoted about holiness in the heb verse you quoted. But, I don't even know whether you really know what holiness is.

Holiness means sacredness. Until one is PERFECTLY sacred as GOD, he shall NEVER see God.

Jesus speaking;
Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER which is in heaven is perfect.

If being perfect as God is by OUR OWN 100% PERFECT GOODNESS, which implies being 100% perfect yesterday, today and forever. Then who can be as EXCELLENT as God? Definitely NOBODY!

We can only be as perfect as God through the faith of christ. Why? Because all our past, present and future imperfections were judged, convicted and condemned on christ on our behalf. And by that all our imperfections are NO MORE imputted on us, because it was imputed on christ. Now, God sees us AS HE IS!

1john 4:17;"In this [union and fellowship with
Him], love is completed and perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment[with assurance and boldness to face
Him]; because as HE IS, SO ARE WE in this world.

If GOD is eternally righteous, without interfering with the good and bad things that happen, then WE are as well made ETERNALLY RIGHTEOUS without interfering with our good and bad works

God is not righteous because he does good things. He is eternally righteous because eternal righteousness is HIS NATURE. Whether good or bad things happen or not, it simply does not interfere with his nature. SO ARE WE!

We now as righteous as him, even when we are not as 100% righteous as him through good works. Because, it is not an achieved righteousness, but an IMPUTED righteousness.

When we say that God doesn't imput our sins on us any longer, it doesn't mean that God is overlooking sin. Rather he doesn't imput it on us BECAUSE he imputed it on christ, that is the only option God has for man's redemption. If God should judge us, then it will be a CRIME OF DOUBLE JEOPARDY and as well shows that christ's death was not a sacrifice for sin, but a MURDER!

Holiness is NOT good actions! Everybody can do righteous works even when they are not saved, does it mean they are holy?? Simply NO!

Holiness is NOT good action, but A PERSON!
Jesus is the holiness of God, so when we believe in him, we are made holy PERFECTLY AS GOD by the faith we have in christ.

1cor 1:30;"You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. JESUS HAS BECOME OUR wisdom sent from God, our righteousness, OUR HOLINESS, and our ransom from sin."

Holiness is Jesus. So without him no eyes shall see the lord!

Stay in grace!

sacredsaint:
since Jesus didn't really ask zacheus to do it,he's already been saved before he restituted;I'd say that restitution is one of the things that comes to your mind after salvation,it's a sign that you've let go of your obsession of the world and you're now a new person irrespective of what people think,to the standard of the world,it's necessary and it does please God too since Jesus didn't really stop zacheus when he did it.

Yes, that's 100% correct!

But, the problem begins when it is added to the free gift of grace as what saves and keeps a man in christ.

danowena:

I believe this was before his death. Our sins were yet to be paid for.

EXACTLY!
Thank you so much for pointing this out on time.

BobUg28:


This got me thinking if anyone could make heaven at all...

Bro, don't be deceived!

ALL who believe in Jesus who is our righteousness MUST make heaven. That's God's word!

By the works of the law, shall NO ONE, including scholar2800, be justified. But the world most dangerous sinner who can surely be saved by free grace shall ONLY live by the faith of christ.

Once your name is in the Book of Life, you are free from encumbrances

Lifestone:

What restitution did David offered or Rahab or Paul (after his conversion)

Calling david into this is just TOO FAR!

Let's start from new testament:

what restitution did peter offered when he cut off someone's ear in the presence of Jesus before the arrest of Jesus?

In Gal 2, peter committed a sin of hypocrisy, what restitution did he offer?

Peter betrayed Jesus, what restitution did he offer?

When jesus was preaching in the synagogue, a paralysed man was brought to him through the roof of the building. And when Jesus saw he shouted; "Man, you sins are forgiven!". Why didn't Jesus say;"Man, go and restitute!"?

Paul in rom7 said that a times, when he is willing to do good, he DOES BAD. Why didn't he talk about restituting what he did wrong?

Why did the samarian woman not restitute?
What about the criminal at the cross, and the adulterer jesus saved?

These guys are still joking with God's word!

promise10:

You quoted about holiness in the heb verse you quoted. But, I don't even know whether you really know what holiness is.

Holiness means sacredness. Until one is PERFECTLY sacred as GOD, he shall NEVER see God.

Jesus speaking;
Matt 5:48 Be ye therefore PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER which is in heaven is perfect.

If being perfect as God is by OUR OWN 100% PERFECT GOODNESS, which implies being 100% perfect yesterday, today and forever. Then who can be as EXCELLENT as God? Definitely NOBODY!

We can only be as perfect as God through the faith of christ. Why? Because all our past, present and future imperfections were judged, convicted and condemned on christ on our behalf. And by that all our imperfections are NO MORE imputted on us, because it was imputed on christ. Now, God sees us AS HE IS!

1john 4:17;"In this [union and fellowship with
Him], love is completed and perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment[with assurance and boldness to face
Him]; because as HE IS, SO ARE WE in this world.

If GOD is eternally righteous, without interfering with the good and bad things that happen, then WE are as well made ETERNALLY RIGHTEOUS without interfering with our good and bad works

God is not righteous because he does good things. He is eternally righteous because eternal righteousness is HIS NATURE. Whether good or bad things happen or not, it simply does not interfere with his nature. SO ARE WE!

We now as righteous as him, even when we are not as 100% righteous as him through good works. Because, it is not an achieved righteousness, but an IMPUTED righteousness.

When we say that God doesn't imput our sins on us any longer, it doesn't mean that God is overlooking sin. Rather he doesn't imput it on us BECAUSE he imputed it on christ, that is the only option God has for man's redemption. If God should judge us, then it will be a CRIME OF DOUBLE JEOPARDY and as well shows that christ's death was not a sacrifice for sin, but a MURDER!

Holiness is NOT good actions! Everybody can do righteous works even when they are not saved, does it mean they are holy?? Simply NO!

Holiness is NOT good action, but A PERSON!
Jesus is the holiness of God, so when we believe in him, we are made holy PERFECTLY AS GOD by the faith we have in christ.

1cor 1:30;"You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. JESUS HAS BECOME OUR wisdom sent from God, our righteousness, OUR HOLINESS, and our ransom from sin."

Holiness is Jesus. So without him no eyes shall see the lord!

Stay in grace!

Bro, the veil of religion over your eyes has truly been smashed.

Why do people tie restitution to going to heaven? Is heaven a reward for good works? Can anybody merit heaven by good works?

Beloved, you can't bribe your way to heaven by restitution. Heaven is a gift not a reward.

promise10:

Calling david into this is just TOO FAR!

Let's start from new testament:

what restitution did peter offered when he cut off someone's ear in the presence of Jesus before the arrest of Jesus?

In Gal 2, peter committed a sin of hypocrisy, what restitution did he offer?
thanks bro. You are on point

Peter betrayed Jesus, what restitution did he offer?

When jesus was preaching in the synagogue, a paralysed man was brought to him through the roof of the building. And when Jesus saw he shouted; "Man, you sins are forgiven!". Why didn't Jesus say;"Man, go and restitute!"?

Paul in rom7 said that a times, when he is willing to do good, he DOES BAD. Why didn't he talk about restituting what he did wrong?

Why did the samarian woman not restitute?
What about the criminal at the cross, and the adulterer jesus saved?

These guys are still joking with God's word!

Thanks bro. You are on point

Jeel:


Bro, the veil of religion over your eyes has truly been smashed.

That's how WICKED religion can be!

But, I am not under religion.

Guess what? Religion is all about TRYING your best to get accepted. Which doesn't even workout!

But, christianity is a BIG-DONE DEAL TO BE SIMPLY BELIEVED!

I was privileged to remember that I stole 20 Fishes from mom's pot during my childhood, Now I've known Christ and I wanna restitute, I've bought a carton of fish, but the problem now is, I don't know if it was Fried fish or smoked fish I stole. :p
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I support Promise10
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Jesus paid it all.
He took the responsibility for our sins, we are no longer to account for them Cause It's our faith that is counted to us as righteousness and not our 'Good works'
-Romans 4:5-8

izzou:


What meal did paul have after his conversion?

That how your question sounds

The bible may not have given us day to day details of what these men did but Christ virtually briefed us during his time

The prodigal son came back home to seek for forgiveness. Christ expects you to do the same to your fellow man. Even if you dont have whatever you took again, go and make peace and seek forgiveness with the man.

I understand how our churches these days have turned into prosperity and motivational centres, but James 4:17-Therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin

The story of the prodigal son was a PARABLE to illustrate something between MAN and GOD ALONE.

Now, even at that, can you point out where the prodigal son restituted?

If you have any, show me!

You are here accusing churches and at the same time preaching CROSS-LESS christianity. Bro wake up! Stop this hypocrisy!

Yea, I support james. But, whether it is sin or not, it doesn't undone the finished work of christ that was done on behalf of a man.

Let's look at this:
If for instance, your kid took Jamb and did very well in the examination. And you later discovered that he involved himself in exam malpractice to get that good result. Will you go to jamb office and report your kid for getting a good result through exam malpractice? You know that the right thing to do, if you are really not a hypocrite is to report him of exam malpractice at the jamb office. WILL YOU DO THAT?

Once again, stop this hypocrisy!

promise10:

The story of the prodigal son was a PARABLE to illustrate something between MAN and GOD ALONE.

Now, even at that, can you point out where the prodigal son restituted?

If you have any, show me!

You are here accusing churches and at the same time preaching CROSS-LESS christianity. Bro wake up! Stop this hypocrisy!

Yea, I support james. But, whether it is sin or not, it doesn't undone the finished work of christ that was done on behalf of a man.

Let's look at this:
If for instance, your kid took Jamb and did very well in the examination. And you later discovered that he involved himself in exam malpractice to get that good result. Will you go to jamb office and report your kid for getting a good result through exam malpractice? You know that the right thing to do, if you are really not a hypocrite is to report him of exam malpractice at the jamb office. WILL YOU DO THAT?

Once again, stop this hypocrisy!

If Matthew 5:23-25 doesnt show you that God wants you to reconcile and restitute even before you praise him, then i will keep praying for you


From what you type, it is evident you attend these prosperity and motivational centres where all that is taught is about earth and your belly

Like i said, pm me if you really think i am wrong and you want to teach me the bible

Have a lovely monday

Jeel:
Why do people tie restitution to going to heaven? Is heaven a reward for good works? Can anybody merit heaven by good works?

Beloved, you can't bribe your way to heaven by restitution. Heaven is a gift not a reward.

Epic!
Heaven is a gift, From Revelation, One could infer that heaven is a gift/added bonus as our reward for Good works will be given to us here on Earth.
-Rev:22:12

Hillarie:


Epic!
Heaven is a gift, From Revelation, One could infer that heaven is a gift/added bonus as our reward for Good works will be given to us here on Earth.
-Rev:22:12

What nonsense is this one saying?
Heaven is equivalent to eternal life. So eternal life is a gift from revelation and as such is not true in reality? From which book did you get that from? Bible? Then, it is not really a bible!


You wanted to hide under rev:22:12 to commit this crime against the bible. But, it ain't gon' happen here!

Rev 22:12;Behold, I am coming soon, and I shall
bring My wages and rewards with Me, to repay and render to each one just what his own actions and his own work merit.

In the bible, FREE GIFT and REWARD were mentioned. Now they are NOT THE SAME.

Free gift, is something that is FREELY GIVEN on the basis of mercy and favour.

Reward is something this is NOT FREELY GIVEN, because it is given on the basis of work DONE. When I FREELY call a carpenter to do some work for me. At the end of the day, I don't give him a gift but I PAY him for what HE HAS DONE.

There is good reward and at the same time a bad one.

Now, before a reward is passed a judgment must be made. In the last day there will be judgment for the Justified and the unjustified. But, it is evident that the judgements will not be the same.

When the unjustified is judged they will sent to a state of torment as their reward. This is so sad, but it is a bitter truth and it's not God's fault.

When the justified is judged he shall receive a reward. Now what is the reward? Eternal life? NOOO!!!

Eternal life is the FREE GIFT of God!

Rom 6:23;(AMP);"For the wages of sin is death(which Jesus SINGLE-HANDEDLY SUFFERED AND PAID for on our behalf even without asking if we were good enough rom 5:8-9, rom 4:25), but the
free gift of God [that is, His
remarkable, OVERWHELMING GIFT OF GRACE to believers] is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord."

Eternal life is the OVERWHELMING HYPER FREE GIFT OF GRACE. Hyper grace? Yes, that's why it passes ALL understanding and human imaginations and emotions!

Hillarie:


Epic!
Heaven is a gift, From Revelation, One could infer that heaven is a gift/added bonus as our reward for Good works will be given to us here on Earth.
-Rev:22:12

So what is the believers reward? Let's see that from the bible.

1cor 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN."

This shows that an incorruptible crown is our reward for our labouring work and not eternal life because it is free gift. We can see another proof from 2tim 4:

2tim 4:7-8;
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the FAITH(belief in christ's finished work):
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me an INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, which the Lord, THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE, SHALL GIVE ME AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

Paul points out here that an incorruptible crown of righteousness is the believers reward for good works.

We shall NOT be judged of sin. Judgement of sin is for the unbelievers. Because it will be a crime of double jeopardy for God to judge us, who believe in the death of his son on our behalf, for the sins he judged his son for.

What are we, the believers, gon' be judged of? WORKS OF FAITH!

Note: work of faith is not the same thing with works of righteousness. Works of faith are good works you do out of the persuasion of your faith IN CHRIST. Works of righteousness are works you with the notion of being right with God, which at the end of the day DOES NOT HELP! Hence, a SELF-ESTABLISHED RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Titus 3:5;"NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"

So, when the justified is judged and founded merited for the reward through his works of faith, he will be rewarded with the incorruptible crown of righteousness. My bible tells me that when he is not founded merited, HE SHALL SUFFER LOSS, but YET he shall still saved! Why? Because salvation is not on the basis of works of faith but on the BASIS OF FAITH.

1cor 3:13-15;13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work ABIDE which he hath built thereupon, he shall RECEIVE A REWARD(crown). 15 IF ANY MAN'S WORK SHALL BE BURNED, HE SHALL SUFFER LOSS: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire."

So, the reward of jesus towards the justified believers is the INCORRUPTIBLE CROWN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and not eternal life. Eternal life is what we receive NOW, but our crown is our reward that we be given on the judgement day.

izzou:


If Matthew 5:23-25 doesnt show you that God wants you to reconcile and restitute even before you praise him, then i will keep praying for you


From what you type, it is evident you attend these prosperity and motivational centres where all that is taught is about earth and your belly

Like i said, pm me if you really think i am wrong and you want to teach me the bible

Have a lovely monday

You keep running away from all my question, because you are a hypocritcal pharisee christian.

You are not yet serious, when you are serious I will know.