....The Ghost in the machine theory eh


I guess it all hinges on your definition of soul



I really wanted to give a long and detailed explanation. But seeing this OP already,




I'll pass

shadeyinka:



I agree that Atheism is the disbelieve in any God/gods.

..the second part is what I do not agree with :no doctrine and no system of believe.
Atheism is a believe that no god and by implication spirit exists.
Doctrine simply means passed down teachings. You will agree with me that many Atheists justify their position using science as a basis.

Now, I did not ask any question about spirits or any god. The question has been about the SOUL.

Surely, it is not outside the intellectual capabilities of Atheists to discuss objectively the concept of SOUL.

As far as I know, Atheists are not adverse to PHILOSOPHY.

u are still wallowing in ignorant, you are trying hard to change the definition so as to suit you. disbelief in something does not mean you believe otherwise take your pen and construct a truth table and see the result. atheist means disbelief in any god or god and not believe there is no god.
let me help you small.
1.if i disbelief in any god then am an atheist (p>q)
2i believe there is no god then am an atheist (~p>q) do the table they differ.
on your system of believe and doctrine what are their systems of belief and doctrines may be i can learn more today and please state the book where their doctrines and their system of believes are

shadeyinka:


Thanks Bro.
Do yo notice how they all seem to avoid the software/ hardware analogy of the soul/Brain.

An Atheists disposition is usually like:
Don't confuse me with the Truth! I have already made up my mind.

Atheism is a form of demonization. Unfortunately, the afflicted thinks that he is in control but usually does not know that he has been spiritually conned, deceived and 419ed.

It is a stubborn fly that follows the corpse into the grave!

see where u just expose ur ignorant

OgundeleT:

u are still wallowing in ignorant, you are trying hard to change the definition so as to suit you. disbelief in something does not mean you believe otherwise take your pen and construct a truth table and see the result. atheist means disbelief in any god or god and not believe there is no god.
let me help you small.
1.if i disbelief in any god then am an atheist (p>q)
2i believe there is no god then am an atheist (~p>q) do the table they differ.
on your system of believe and doctrine what are their systems of belief and doctrines may be i can learn more today and please state the book where their doctrines and their system of believes are

1. I am sorry, you are an Atheist (you can be more explicit) BUT I cant seem to fathom out the difference in the two statements above.
Disbelieve in any gods looks to me like believe in no gods.

This is how I understand it:
"I dont believe in the Theory of Evolution"="I disbelive the Theory of Evolution".

I am not an English specialist..and I am willing to learn the difference.

However, the TOPIC is NOT about the gods , it is about the soul . By my limited English they are different.

2. By doctrine, I dont mean a set of rules you follow but the premise that
1. Atheists believe generally in things theat can be Scientifically or Physically VERIFIED
2. Atheists believe that there is NO life OUTSIDE the Physical/Biological Life
3. Atheists do not believe in the existence of MIRACLES/ MAGIC or the SUPERNATURAL
4. Atheists do not believe in the theory of CREATION
5. Atheists believe in EVOLUTION etc

These may be an unwritten law/manual for Atheists but i am sure very soon you will have your own Bible. LOL

SirWere:
....The Ghost in the machine theory eh


I guess it all hinges on your definition of soul



I really wanted to give a long and detailed explanation. But seeing this OP already,




I'll pass

https://www.nairaland.com/3138033/lazy-atheists
But Atheists dont believe in Ghosts.


When you bring a theological answer: They say we dont believe in any god nor the existence of any god
When you bring a logical challenge: They dodge the challenge an attenpt to change the topic
When you bring a scientific evidence: They bring a counter scientific evidence even if it is a minority report! and conclude
that it is the final answer to the riddle
When they dont have an answer: Some of them get annoyed and start different form of disrespecful abuses

The Nigerians among them suffer from the disease called "The White Man is alway RIGHT"

OgundeleT:

see where u just expose ur ignorant

Thanks a lot!
Now you wise one, answer the question.

What is the general Atheist concept of soul?
Do Atheists have soul?

Simple question isnt it?

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shadeyinka

The question has not been answered:

What is the general Atheist concept of soul?
Do Atheists have soul?

is there an agreement between the Atheist community about the soul?

If the soul is immaterial does it not prove either that
1. The soul is a kind of operating system for the body?
2. The immaterial could also be real?

I believe you know my position on the soul: as
-Death as when a mans Soul departs the Body
-The Soul is that invisible part of you that you call "I !" or " ME!" .
-The Soul defines you as a conscious identity and it is the center of your Will, Emotion and Intellect .
-The Soul is the Operating System Software of the Brain.
-The Soul is the center of Emotion, Will and Intellect.
-The hardware interface of the Soul to the Physical world is the Body
-The Soul is the Identity and Consciousness of an individual
-All Animals have a soul
-In addition to the Soul, the human being has a spirit that makes his soul eternal.
-Instinct is a prove that some certain behaviours are pre-recorded in an animal

If you look at a computer, the relationship between the Body and Soul is like that of the CPU and the Operating System.

donnffd had presented the most mature Atheistc view yet.

I hope this will lead some of you back to the Creator!

winner01:
Atheism justifies its stand by proclaiming a strictly materialistic worldview.
The irreparable human death disproves this nonsense.

They all got their different philosophy of life, lets see.

Btw, good question Op.

The day cryogenics is fully developed, I'd love to hear your mental gymnastics explain how death is "Irreparable".

Is there a soul as described by religious factions? No there isn't.

What makes us who we are is an aggregate of genes, hormones,our environment and interactions with other people. Our consciousness (a network of neurons firing electric impulses in our brains) could be regarded as the atheistic definition of the soul.

shadeyinka:


There is physical or phylosophical proof except a theological proof which of course is pointless to you. So there is no point proving it theologically. However, I think it is sufficient for now to say Animals too have souls; why? They have Emotions, Will and Intelligence...the software that runs their bodies.

u still didnt say anytin that disprove's spirits in animals
..theologically..animals were claimed to be soul-less..im pretty sure..so ure already contradicting ur belief...also frm all being stated..if animals have souls like humans do..then it is safe to say animals also can experience eternal life...be it heaven or hell..

Its not just chemicals. That is why in electrocardiology, chemicals secreted in the brain are not measured. What is measured are electrical activities of the brain.

It is impossible for chemicals to have conciousness for all chemicals consists of Atoms which are[i] like[/i] perfect Engines.Has science been able to create the smallest life form that can respond to stimuli?

synthetic life has been created by man which replicated its dna..look it up if thats what u tryna say...
Also ure deviating..this is abiogenesis..not ''soul''...everyone knows abiogenesis is a knowledge block for now..amino acids nd some dna bases have also been made by two experiments..muller experiment and a premedieval soup one by the use of laser or sometin...both based on speculated early earth atmosphere's bt not a fact of abiogenesis..
U see the tin is..in 150AD...if i told u man cud set his foot on the moon..u wud laugh at me,,make fun of it n may even try to kill me(gallileo)..bt here we are...Real tech science aint even up to 2 milenia and ure complaining..lol.

com If as you said "its just a bunch of neurochemicals", then it should be possible to keep a person alive by borrowing the chemicals from a live person and dumping it into the brain of a dead person.

i never said neurochemicals keep the human body alive..ure confusing urself while trying to grab my point...i said neurochemicals are the bases of our thoughts,,(consiousness etc) and the likes nt keeping the body alive..ure mixing my statement wit ur definition of the soul..

I havent used dream as an example as prove for the existence of the soul because I know that the view can be highly subjective...
I have used the NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE phenomenon which is clinically proven. Are you saying that NDEs in clinically dead person is the "lifeless brain" playing tricks?

there's smtin called ''God Helmet''..look it up..u'd know nde's is no big deal...ts what the brain relayed before going offline..possibly the same reason why u can have days even weeks in a 2 hour dream...
U see the tin wit nde and its brother obe....With so many people putting so many frequent
flyer miles on their souls, it’s a wonder why no one
has ever been able to prove it with a simple test:
leave your body and read a sign placed in another
room.The Amazing Randy has a million dollars waiting for anyone who can prove it..

As an Atheist, you believe in reason: have you ruled out the possibility of a person having both the Software and Hardware part? I am sure you know that this is reasonable.
Can I put it to you that you refuse to accept that which is reasonable only because it destroys your conclusion of the impossibility of an immaterial consciousness?

what u jst stated is like repeating the god of the gaps...how old is neuroscience?..
When smtin has no proof yet..it is up to the proposer to bring up proof
..frm ur stance it is kinda...
I say i rode a goat to jupiter's europa and planted plants beneath the crust of the moon where there is water...bt my body was on earth...can u disprove that?..since i am real nd a goat,,jupiter,,europa,,are all real so we shudn't rule out the possibility that i did it...

Since you mentioned INSTINCT: Do you not know that Instinct is a prove that some certain behaviours are pre-recorded in an animal for instance?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct

How do these animals learn these complex behaviours without learning it from somewhere?

instinct is present in all creatures...even bacteria..frm what u present these instincts are drawn from a spirit source..invariably bacteria do have souls that eida go to heaven or hell..
Bt thats not the case...our survival instincts is at the fore front of our evolution...ts the reason natural selection happens...a cell always wants to survive thats why it wud copy the character(information)which enables it to survive best when replicating dna..this is another field...EVOLUTION

My Sister! My Sister!! My Sister!!!
The statement that the Soul is the Operating System Software of the Brai[/b]n is perfectly logical! You cannot deny it.

oga..im a man oo...m nt a female...m a man..
If the ''soul'' is the operating system...i.o.w all living tins possess this soul...if u tell me that..i accept..bt if u say that soul is eternal..then i refuse..unless the soul of animals is also eternal.
When u die..u die..nd cease to exist..jst like u were non existent before u were conceived...

Even though you have derailed from the topic the example you have stated is the validation of the fact that INSTINCT is a [b]PRE-RECORDED couse of action that a living being must take in certain circumstances. If you use Microsoft Windows or Linux, there are pre-recorded action that a computer takes when some certain events take place.

if ur fone is on..nd you hold the ''ON'' button of ur phone does it
start downloading apps from playstore?
Thats the difference between a program and freewill soul....if the ssoul iss a program..then eliminate freewill..

Actually, our morality instinct is given by whoever (GOD) did our programming. And as humans, we are different from every other animals on this bases alone. The universality of Morals in different cultures of the human race show that we had been hadwired towards the kind of behaviour.

our morals is part of our acquired trait during our evolutionary journey...like i said..if a god was the source of morality...we wud see kids grow towards that one source..bt thats not the case...
Our morals are determined by our society...like i gave u before...why do two culture have morality issues?...
In some cultures..women walk around freely with their bare breasts..ur case of reasoning doesnt rhyme with a god source....even in animals..morals is determined by the group..
good and bad is not a thing its an adjective determined..

During childbirth...the love a mother shows to a child is determined by the oxytocin levels released by her brain.... This is clearly wrong. There has been no chemical linked to emotion in humans or animals. You can prove me wrong.

chemicals linked to love serotonin...oxytocin vasopressin..niqqa they're a lot...use ur internet..

Fathers are known to love their children even more than some mothers, whould you say Men realeases oxytocin too?

all humans release oxytocin..men do during se*x....oxytocin is the base for emotions..

Dont forget that human female sexuality is NOT dependent on her ovulation. A woman can choose when to have sex and not when to have sex. Its not about chemicals, it is called WILL or VOLITION : function of the Soul.

i cant argue much..jst do ur research..the bond formed between mother and child is determined by the oxytocin levels released...in men that love their kids a lot..high levels of oxytocin can be triggered when they bond with their kids by stimulatory parenting such as tossing the baby in the air etc..
Never forget that ur bible said our soul and thoughts arise frm the heart...bt the fact is
Fact..oxytocin determines love...

Strawman:
(This long message may have just appeared from nowhere...baba I booked space and slept abeg)

The soul is a metaphysical concept. The idea is that after we die, we still exist in another form which we are conscious of.

For many reasons, I refuse to believe the atheists' POV that it's all materialistic, and we totally cease to exist and lose consciousness when we die.

There was a case of one Eben Alexander III, a Harvard neurosurgeon, who suffered a near death experience: he was in a week-long coma, and brain scans showed that his entire cortex (the parts of the brain that give us consciousness, thought, memory, and understanding) was not functioning. However he later managed to wake up and claimed to have been awake in another realm - "heaven".

Well wherever this man's 'mind' went to during his coma (be it a dream, a vision, any other kind of psychological experience or perhaps reality even), the thing is: normally he requires his brain cortex to be at least active for him to even be aware/conscious of whatever he was experiencing - yet it wasn't even functioning then. This just means our true consciousness is beyond the physical brain that we attribute it to (the brain is a factor, yes, but not totally).

I also read articles that quantum physics may as well have proven that our consciousness (life in fact) continues after death, which obviously this feat cannot be achieved by the physical body. There are a number of quantum physicists who supported this even.

If you venture into the study of metaphysics, you'll see that the concept of a soul is not too hard to grasp.

Basically, we're within a parallel realm that's beyond our normal senses/perception, it involves a lot of phenomena which transcends the physics we know, and we are connected to this realm in one form or another (not through our body, but through our soul).

Too long didn't read: Yes, there is a soul

¡ʇᴉƃǝl sᴉ ʇᴉ ʇnq 'uɐɯ pɐɯ ɐ ʎq pǝdʎʇ sɐʍ ʇᴉ ǝʞᴉl ʞool ʎɐɯ sᴉɥ┴

How were u able to type upside Down?

shadeyinka:


Hey Bro, you sound ANGRY! We are not quarrelling; are we? LOL.
I haven't mentioned Religion and I haven't advocated religion.



I understand if you hate religion! Its is obvious to see that many of thoughts who are proponents of religion have caused more harm than good in the society. But we don't do away with money just because we discovered counterfeit money in existence. Actually, Tue more valuable a commodity is, the higher the chance of it being counterfeited. So it is with religion, pls bear with us.

The question posted was not an attack on Atheists: it was a philosophical question that needed answers. I respect the fact that Atheists will believe only that which is not subjective like FAITH, reason is objective isn't it? The laboratory of philosophy is sound reasoning.


Your definition of soul is strange to me, you being an Atheist.



For you seem to acknowledge that their is a software component of animals(including humans). This negates the spirit of Atheism...I could be wrong. For a software (sequence of logical instructions) cannot write itself.

I can imagine that given enough time, a Dell computer can self-assemble itself from particles in the environment however, it is impossible for the software to install itself in the compuer.

Your definition of Soul is correct! And Everybody has a Soul.

(But we don't do away with money just because we discovered counterfeit money in existence. Actually, Tue more valuable a commodity is, the higher the chance of it being counterfeited. So it is with religion)

I love this part.

dalaman:


Eben Alexander has been shown to be a fraud.

Does this address the OP?

dalaman:


The part in bold is false. NDE can easily be induced in the lab using drugs. It occurs when you starve your brain of somethings like oxygen for example. NDE occur when the body is fully active. Out of body experience is what is understudy and uptil now nothing concrete has been established on that. Just some fringe group using people's fears to make money with bogus stories.

Goodday sir,

I sent you a mail

analice107:

How were u able to type upside Down?

http://www.upsidedowntext.com
(holds ear) Don't use Opera Mini oh.

Strawman:

http://www.upsidedowntext.com
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oh, okay. thanks

Strawman:

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oh, okay. thanks

shadeyinka:
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The question has not been answered:


is there an agreement between the Atheist community about the soul?

If the soul is immaterial does it not prove either that
1. The soul is a kind of operating system for the body?
2. The immaterial could also be real?

I believe you know my position on the soul: as
-Death as when a mans Soul departs the Body
-The Soul is that invisible part of you that you call "I !" or " ME!" .
-The Soul defines you as a conscious identity and it is the center of your Will, Emotion and Intellect .
-The Soul is the Operating System Software of the Brain.
-The Soul is the center of Emotion, Will and Intellect.
-The hardware interface of the Soul to the Physical world is the Body
-The Soul is the Identity and Consciousness of an individual
-All Animals have a soul
-In addition to the Soul, the human being has a spirit that makes his soul eternal.
-Instinct is a prove that some certain behaviours are pre-recorded in an animal

If you look at a computer, the relationship between the Body and Soul is like that of the CPU and the Operating System.

donnffd had presented the most mature Atheistc view yet.

I hope this will lead some of you back to the Creator!

This is your opinion. Instinct is nothing more that favorable behaviors that have been selected over the years though nature and nurture.

The 'soul' to me seems nothing more than the means through which the brain can coordinate with the body. But can you really separate it from the brain. Emotional responses are gotten from chemical secretions in the body that are coordinated from the brain. These impulses are responses to the stimuli we receive day to day.

Our wills, and our attitudes are shaped from the social interactions we experience throughout our lives.

So I can say that I have no soul in the dualistic sense. But as a person who sees no evidence as to why the body and soul have to be considered as separate entities then of course I have one.

winner01:
If we find a way around this, I believe we can raise the dead, dont you think?

No, genius. How do you get a living brain without killing the donor? How will the person you resurrect retain his/her original memories?

Think, man.

Joshuabase:


The day cryogenics is fully developed, I'd love to hear your mental gymnastics explain how death is "Irreparable".

By Bible Prophecy, one day it is going to happen.

A man- he dies as a result of a great wound he sustained
-he is raised back to life
-men mavels at this man whose great wound was healed.

Revelation 13New International Version (NIV)
The Beast out of the Sea

13 The dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10
“If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”

This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

But it will be Science mixed with satanic MAGIC.

Joshuabase:
Is there a soul as described by religious factions? No there isn't.

What makes us who we are is an aggregate of genes, hormones,our environment and interactions with other people. Our consciousness (a network of neurons firing electric impulses in our brains) could be regarded as the atheistic definition of the soul.

You simply asked a question and you answered it without any proof or defence.

The base atoms which make up everything are MACHINES. ie. Atoms.

Is it possible that collections of atoms will develop conciousness?

raphieMontella:

u still didnt say anytin that disprove's spirits in animals
..theologically..animals were claimed to be soul-less..im pretty sure..so ure already contradicting ur belief...also frm all being stated..if animals have souls like humans do..then it is safe to say animals also can experience eternal life...be it heaven or hell..

Animals do not have spirits BUT they have souls.
Theologicaly, a Human being is an Living(Eternal Soul) animals are (Temporary Souls). Gen2:7

Animals have Will, Emotions and Intellect. By the qualification of souls, they are!

Eternal soul means that just like Angels, Man has a begining but no end.

raphieMontella:

synthetic life has been created by man which replicated its dna..look it up if thats what u tryna say...
Also ure deviating..this is abiogenesis..not ''soul''...everyone knows abiogenesis is a knowledge block for now..amino acids nd some dna bases have also been made by two experiments..muller experiment and a premedieval soup one by the use of laser or sometin...both based on speculated early earth atmosphere's bt not a fact of abiogenesis..
U see the tin is..in 150AD...if i told u man cud set his foot on the moon..u wud laugh at me,,make fun of it n may even try to kill me(gallileo)..bt here we are...Real tech science aint even up to 2 milenia and ure complaining..lol.

No Sir. The best that has been done is the production of AMINO ACIDS.
The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile 5-liter glass flask connected to a 500 ml flask half-full of liquid water.

The DNA of the simplest Bacteria is so complex, its like a collection of sets of Encyclopedeas detailing every trace of behaviour from the microcellular to the tissue level.

Your Faith in Science actualy repaced your Faith in God. I can conclude that you just replaced one God for another.

raphieMontella:

i never said neurochemicals keep the human body alive..ure confusing urself while trying to grab my point...i said neurochemicals are the bases of our thoughts,,(consiousness etc) and the likes nt keeping the body alive..ure mixing my statement wit ur definition of the soul..

If neurochemicals are the source of our thoughts, then there will be nothing like WILL or VOLITION since chemicals will dictate our behaviours. But you know that this is not true. We decide how to think our thoughts.

Do Atheists have Atheistic chemicals running in their Brains? ...... LOL

raphieMontella:

there's smtin called ''God Helmet''..look it up..u'd know nde's is no big deal...ts what the brain relayed before going offline..possibly the same reason why u can have days even weeks in a 2 hour dream...
U see the tin wit nde and its brother obe....With so many people putting so many frequent
flyer miles on their souls, it’s a wonder why no one
has ever been able to prove it with a simple test:
leave your body and read a sign placed in another
room.The Amazing Randy has a million dollars waiting for anyone who can prove it..

NDEs have occured due to different causes of death. From people who chose to commit suicide to people who were sick, to those who have accidents to those who slept normally and woke up in death. How do you explain several NDE reports that detail the happening around their death bed...

Here is a link to a non christian research into NDEs

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
You are wrong

raphieMontella:

what u jst stated is like repeating the god of the gaps...how old is neuroscience?..
When smtin has no proof yet..it is up to the proposer to bring up proof
..frm ur stance it is kinda...
I say i rode a goat to jupiter's europa and planted plants beneath the crust of the moon where there is water...bt my body was on earth...can u disprove that?..since i am real nd a goat,,jupiter,,europa,,are all real so we shudn't rule out the possibility that i did it...

I have used a clear illustration to explain the unseen with what we as intelligent humans can relate to: The Computer CPU and the Operating system. It makes perfect sense.

raphieMontella:

instinct is present in all creatures...even bacteria..frm what u present these instincts are drawn from a spirit source..invariably bacteria do have souls that eida go to heaven or hell..
Bt thats not the case...our survival instincts is at the fore front of our evolution...ts the reason natural selection happens...a cell always wants to survive thats why it wud copy the character(information)which enables it to survive best when replicating dna..this is another field...EVOLUTION

Every animal have a soul as I have explained above. Instinct is a function of the soul. instinct is a pre-recorded subroutine if you like about the course of action a living being must take if an event happens. It is a software (the SOUL) that rules the body.

A spirit is different from a soul. Every spirit has a soul but the converse is not true.

raphieMontella:

oga..im a man oo...m nt a female...m a man..
If the ''soul'' is the operating system...i.o.w all living tins possess this soul...if u tell me that..i accept..bt if u say that soul is eternal..then i refuse..unless the soul of animals is also eternal.
When u die..u die..nd cease to exist..jst like u were non existent before u were conceived...

Kai. I prostrate for you oh. I am sorry Sir.

Every spirit has a soul. The soul is the center of Will, Emotion, Intellect and Intution.
A spirit is eternal.
All human beings are eternal because in addition to their Soul, they are Spirits.
When a man dies, his spirit body becomes dominant.

In NDEs, humans appear as Spirits who still retain their Soul and therefore they can recollect every event thet ever happend in their life. Their IDENTITY remains the same even though they have died.

It is appointed for a man to die only once and after that Judgement!

raphieMontella:

if ur fone is on..nd you hold the ''ON'' button of ur phone does it
start downloading apps from playstore?
Thats the difference between a program and freewill soul....if the ssoul iss a program..then eliminate freewill..

If your phone was programmed by the manufacturer to start downloading from playstore when you press the ON button, when you press the ON button you will start downloading of course from playstore....

But do you know what most phones are programmed to do if you press the ON button for more than 5 seconds? They switch OFF or REBOOT!

raphieMontella:

our morals is part of our acquired trait during our evolutionary journey...like i said..if a god was the source of morality...we wud see kids grow towards that one source..bt thats not the case...
Our morals are determined by our society...like i gave u before...why do two culture have morality issues?...
In some cultures..women walk around freely with their bare breasts..ur case of reasoning doesnt rhyme with a god source....even in animals..morals is determined by the group..
good and bad is not a thing its an adjective determined..

Have you put into account the fact that your DESIGNER and MAKER gave you a FREE WILL. You can even choose to disobey Him. That is the level of independence He gave you. Every one of us make his own choices..therefore we cannot be alike!

raphieMontella:

chemicals linked to love serotonin...oxytocin vasopressin..niqqa they're a lot...use ur internet..

all humans release oxytocin..men do during se*x....oxytocin is the base for emotions..

i cant argue much..jst do ur research..the bond formed between mother and child is determined by the oxytocin levels released...in men that love their kids a lot..high levels of oxytocin can be triggered when they bond with their kids by stimulatory parenting such as tossing the baby in the air etc..
Never forget that ur bible said our soul and thoughts arise frm the heart...bt the fact is
Fact..oxytocin determines love...

Do animals also release Oxytosin?
Can Animals Love?
What is Love?

analice107:



(But we don't do away with money just because we discovered counterfeit money in existence. Actually, Tue more valuable a commodity is, the higher the chance of it being counterfeited. So it is with religion)

I love this part.

Thanks o. Please tell them again

analice107:

Does this address the OP?

I wonder O!
How about the thousands who are not frauds!?

kennyman2000:


Goodday sir,

I sent you a mail

Can you send it again! Its not in my box.

CoolUsername:


This is your opinion. Instinct is nothing more that favorable behaviors that have been selected over the years though nature and nurture.

The 'soul' to me seems nothing more than the means through which the brain can coordinate with the body. But can you really separate it from the brain. Emotional responses are gotten from chemical secretions in the body that are coordinated from the brain. These impulses are responses to the stimuli we receive day to day.

Our wills, and our attitudes are shaped from the social interactions we experience throughout our lives.

So I can say that I have no soul in the dualistic sense. But as a person who sees no evidence as to why the body and soul have to be considered as separate entities then of course I have one.

Favourable Behavious selescted over years?
It doesnt add up.
How does a male dog know how to mate? How does a hen know that it should brood over a clutch of eggs? How do some fish go back to the same spot for spawing? .....

These are overly complex behaviours.
Have you ever thought about this hypothetical question: If you never saw or witnesed sexual related activities among other humans (if you were raised in complete isolation of any human being) till you became an adult, do you think that you will know how to do it?. As humans, we have to directly or indirectly learn this behaviour yey lower animals just know it...

Of course our choices and our attitudes are shaped from the social interactions we experience throughout our lives. But it still is a function of or WILL, we choose at the end the course of our life. The human WILL is a function of the Soul

So I can say that I have no soul in the dualistic sense. But as a person who sees no evidence as to why the body and soul have to be considered as separate entities then of course I have one

I hope I understand you well?
If the soul was the Operating System and the Application Program of your Brain, would you admit that you have a soul?

CoolUsername:


No, genius. How do you get a living brain without killing the donor? How will the person you resurrect retain his/her original memories?

Think, man.

Will Cryogenics solve Atheists problem?

shadeyinka:


Can you send it again! Its not in my box.

Gosh! Kindly send me a mail then sir and I reply sir. Thanks Kehindeadebayo4@gmail.com

shadeyinka:


Thanks a lot!
Now you wise one, answer the question.



Simple question isnt it?

atheism is not a religion group, so ur question stand on nothing. but i will answer you briefly based on my own view.
the little knowledge i had about biology in sec sch, i was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt human didn't just appear on earth one day and live never start existing like seven thousand years ago,
but rather it gradually evolve and if so be it, how come the soul? did one god just come and inject it in us? soul explanation itself contradict each other by different religion group, Christians explain soul in a way that contradict other religions, so how do you want me to buy that?

shadeyinka:


You simply asked a question and you answered it without any proof or defence.

The base atoms which make up everything are MACHINES. ie. Atoms.

Is it possible that collections of atoms will develop conciousness?

Yes it is. That is the reality of the universe. Everything in it is made up of atoms. planets, stars, even other lower life forms around you.

Thinking that you are made up of something other than atoms, something different, thinking that you're 'special' is the maximum delusion of grandeur anyone can have.

On the topic of asking questions, and answering them without proof or evidence. Perhaps you should provide evidence for the existence of 'souls'.

OgundeleT:

atheism is not a religion group, so ur question stand on nothing. but i will answer you briefly based on my own view.
the little knowledge i had about biology in sec sch, i was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt human didn't just appear on earth one day and live never start existing like seven thousand years ago,
but rather it gradually evolve and if so be it, how come the soul? did one god just come and inject it in us? soul explanation itself contradict each other by different religion group, Christians explain soul in a way that contradict other religions, so how do you want me to buy that?

Again my question and submission had not been on either religion, faith, gods/God, theology or spirits and the spiritual. My question has been about the Operating System that rule every living being; the SOUL.

I think that Atheists have been so antagonistic to every thing that cannot be seen especially the spirit that they neglect their own operating system which is non material.

You have based your faith on THEORIES in Biology. What you claim you believe is not even a LAW.

A theory is a SPECULATION about unexplained events or situation waiting for confirmation. A theory can be found untrue and wrong (and several has) but a scientific LAW is verified.

It is extremely RISKY to base your Life on THEORIES!

did one god just come and inject it in us? soul explanation itself contradict each other by different religion group, Christians explain soul in a way that contradict other religions, so how do you want me to buy

We all spend money don't we? How come different countries have theirbown version of Money? Does having different version of money contravene the base purpose of money as a legal tender?

This is a weak argument? Counterfeit money has always been in circulation; why not refuse to spend money again because of them.

God has given you a special Operating System that make you INDEPENDENT in reasoning, thought , emotions and VOLITION. Find Him and stop fighting Him. The rules of the divine is different from that of the physical rhelm.

Joshuabase:

Yes it is. That is the reality of the universe. Everything in it is made up of atoms, planets, stars, even other lower life forms around you.

Thinking that you are made up of something other than atoms, something different, thinking that you're 'special' is maximum delusion of grandeur anyone can have.

On the topic of asking questions, and answering them without proof or evidence. Perhaps you should provide evidence for the existence of 'souls'.

I have giveng you a Philosophical evidence: comparing the seen and the unseen.

What is the proof that an Operating System exist in a computer? The same proof goes for the SOUL.

That is the evidence!

Your view of existence is impossible! Why?

Given enough bolts, nuts , spanners, metal scraps, machines, power and EVERY conceivable engineering materials needed to make a car. What is the probability of randomly mixing them up through a storm and a CAR no matterbhow simple and basic will come forth?

You know the answer! IMPOSSIBLE!!

It is even more impossible for a computer and its operating system to come out of some random arrangements.

It is even worse when ATOMS (Engines) will combine and form LIFE!

The ODDS weigh seriously AGAINST You!

Your Maker PROGRAMMED You to be INDEPENDENT in Choice and Volition. There is a PURPOSE for your existence: Don't flunk it!