shadeyinka:


Again my question and submission had not been on either religion, faith, gods/God, theology or spirits and the spiritual. My question has been about the Operating System that rule every living being; the SOUL

which research made you to draw this bolded conclusion

[s]I think that Atheists have been so antagonistic to every thing that cannot be seen especially the spirit that they neglect their own operating system which is non material[/s][quote]
You have based your faith on THEORIES in Biology. What you claim you believe is not even a LAW.

[s]A theory is a SPECULATION about unexplained events or situation waiting for confirmation. A theory can be found untrue and wrong (and several has) but a scientific LAW is verified.[/s]

It is extremely RISKY to base your Life on THEORIES!

a theory is a system of logical reasoning that scientist carefully construct to explain unknown based on valid assumption about natural phenomena stop twisting something for you own gain. but it is advisable to believe s book that claimed snake talk, a book that contradict itself? or u want me to drop Quran and other religion book that have different contradicting stories about different gods and take yours?

We all spend money don't we? How come different countries have theirbown version of Money? Does having different version of money contravene the base purpose of money as a legal tender?

This is a weak argument? Counterfeit money has always been in circulation; why not refuse to spend money again because of them.

[s]God has given you a special Operating System that make you INDEPENDENT in reasoning, thought , emotions and VOLITION. Find Him and stop fighting Him[/s]. The rules of the divine is different from that of the physical rhelm.

you just keep on typing thrashes. i said there is no sufficient prove that any god exist and you are here telling me it created one soul. what kind of argument is that? btw. if your child is missing wont you search for him or he/she must be the one to search for you? your argument is just off the line
u have to logically prove your god's existence first before you can proceed that he created something call soul. stop this childish argument in 2016

shadeyinka:


I have giveng you a Philosophical evidence: comparing the seen and the unseen.

What is the proof that an Operating System exist in a computer? The same proof goes for the SOUL.

LOL, I don't even know how to reply this, dekatron, johnnydon22, plaetton, coolusername.

After reading the above, I just felt weak. I lost all hope for humanity.

shadeyinka:

That is the evidence!

And he calls it "Evidence". This is why I don't engage in intellectual discussions with theists.

shadeyinka:

Your view of existence is impossible! Why?

Given enough bolts, nuts , spanners, metal scraps, machines, power and EVERY conceivable engineering materials needed to make a car. What is the probability of randomly mixing them up through a storm and a CAR no matterbhow simple and basic will come forth?

You know the answer! IMPOSSIBLE!!

Google the law of large numbers.

shadeyinka:

It is even worse when ATOMS (Engines) will combine and form LIFE!

The ODDS weigh seriously AGAINST You!

Your Maker PROGRAMMED You to be INDEPENDENT in Choice and Volition. There is a PURPOSE for your existence: Don't flunk it!

For the sake of arguments, lets assume that all humans are programed by an all-loving entity. Explain osteoporosis in children.

shadeyinka:


Will Cryogenics solve Atheists problem?

What problem?

Anyway, I'm skeptical of cryonics. It's rather difficult to restore a brain without damage. It will also require future technologies to have found a solution to the original cause of death.

shadeyinka:



Favourable Behavious selescted over years?
It doesnt add up.
How does a male dog know how to mate? How does a hen know that it should brood over a clutch of eggs? How do some fish go back to the same spot for spawing? .....

These are overly complex behaviours.
Have you ever thought about this hypothetical question: If you never saw or witnesed sexual related activities among other humans (if you were raised in complete isolation of any human being) till you became an adult, do you think that you will know how to do it?. As humans, we have to directly or indirectly learn this behaviour yey lower animals just know it...

Of course our choices and our attitudes are shaped from the social interactions we experience throughout our lives. But it still is a function of or WILL, we choose at the end the course of our life. The human WILL is a function of the Soul



I hope I understand you well?
If the soul was the Operating System and the Application Program of your Brain, would you admit that you have a soul?

You're just asking questions that I've already answered. It is coded in the genes of every single animal to make more of its kind.

Even the very DNA that makes us up is self-replicating. It is exactly what I said.

shadeyinka:


Thanks o. Please tell them again

As far as am concern, these dudes know what they are doing. They know. I think it's a duty they must perform.

shadeyinka:

They have Emotions, Will and Intelligence...

All which are controlled by the brain.

Its not just chemicals. That is why in electrocardiology, chemicals secreted in the brain are not measured. What is measured are electrical activities of the brain.

What do you think causes that electrical activity? Chemicals. Calcium ions are directly responsible for the depolarization of cardiac cells. Hormones like adrenaline are responsible for speeding up the heartbeat, and acetylcholine slows it down.

It is impossible for chemicals to have conciousness for all chemicals consists of Atoms which are[i] like[/i] perfect Engines.

Who said the individual chemicals were conscious?

Has science been able to create the smallest life form that can respond to stimuli?

This comment was made on two erroneous assumptions:
1. That scientific understanding of a natural phenomenon automatically means we must be able to replicate it. This is ridiculous. We understand stars, their composition, how they are formed, but because of obvious limitations in materials, we've yet to recreate a star. Doesn't mean we don't understand them.

2. That science not being able to recreate life RIGHT NOW, means we will never be able to. Remember that just 300 years ago people were dying by the thousands from diseases we can get cheap immunizations for today. Science takes time, but it can be trusted.

It amazes me the demands that theists have the audacity to make when they haven't come close to explaining some of the most glaring issues with their religious books. It's like, how can you demand a synthetic life form as evidence that we're made of chemicals, yet accept that a Jewish man died on the cross for Africans 2000 years ago, walked on water, and is his own dad -- with absolutely NO proof but a 2,000 year old, edited & re-edited book that says it.

You're obviously applying unequal standards of evidence to the two topics, and it's clear why. Religious bias is clouding your thinking.

If as you said "its just a bunch of neurochemicals", then it should be possible to keep a person alive by borrowing the chemicals from a live person and dumping it into the brain of a dead person.

Not necessarily. We each have unique immune systems that are set up to fight against unrecognized invaders. The chemical composition of a random person's brain/body won't necessarily be compatible with another's and the only way to find out is through rigorous testing for compatibility.

You're also forgetting that our trillions of brain cells age along with our bodies, accumulating mutations and waste that are incredibly tiny yet have devastating effects on the cellular scale. Fixing all of these microscopic, delicate areas would take technology that does not yet exist.

I have used the NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE phenomenon which is clinically proven. Are you saying that NDEs in clinically dead person is the "lifeless brain" playing tricks?

Our brains are always playing tricks on us. Our minds are ripe for illusions, hallucinations, and misconceptions. Under the right conditions people can be brainwashed en masse to "see" things that aren't really there. And this is while fully conscious. Drugs like LSD can produce wild hallucinations as well, just by toying with our brain chemistry.

It's no surprise that an unconscious, "nearly-dead" person, with his mental faculties still partially in tact, would be able to see incredible visions and illusions that seem real.

Since you mentioned INSTINCT: Do you not know that Instinct is a prove that some certain behaviours are pre-recorded in an animal for instance?

Yes, instincts are genetic. Google "genome sequencing animal behaviors". Some instincts have already been traced to the specific portions of DNA that code for them. And individuals without a specific code can be seen to not show the behavior.

Actually, our morality instinct is given by whoever (GOD) did our programming. And as humans, we are different from every other animals on this bases alone. The universality of Morals in different cultures of the human race show that we had been hadwired towards the kind of behaviour.

No, our morality is a result of evolutionarily inherited traits, plus environmentally learned (culture, religion, etc) traits. It's easy to see this when you observe what was historically considered moral compared to what is now. The bible even condones slavery and the subjugation of women. Those verses speak to the morality of the bible's time. We've since developed better standards.

This is clearly wrong. There has been no chemical linked to emotion in humans or animals. You can prove me wrong.

A basic intro to Neuroscience class would prove you wrong. I mean these things are literally basic. Your education is lacking immensely.

CoolUsername:


No, genius. How do you get a living brain without killing the donor? How will the person you resurrect retain his/her original memories?

Think, man.

Don't worry my dear friend. We can try the process with animals first. Afterall, they are usually the subjects of most of such experiments.

Im kinda busy wit work..bt lets roll

shadeyinka:


Animals do not have spirits BUT they have souls.
Theologicaly, a Human being is an Living(Eternal Soul) animals are (Temporary Souls). Gen2:7

Animals have Will, Emotions and Intellect. By the qualification of souls, they are!

Eternal soul means that just like Angels, Man has a begining but no end.

genesis 2:7..kjv said man became a living soul...Goodnews and NIV said man became alive...i.o.w man it means man being alive..
Ok...Bt looking at this closely...god's breath was on man..and not on woman..so by this means...women dont have living souls as u stated in.. gen 2.7..they were made from ''bone'' and no god's breath happened...i'd advice u keep the bible aside in our argumentts...because i'd shatter the bible..ts a book thats easily killls it self...
E.g double creation stories in gen 1&2...god creates birds out of the air/water and fish out of water..bt in gen two..they're all created outa tthe earth..(maybe god aint so anti evolutionary afta all)..in gen one man and woman weren't created by dust and bone respectively but in gen two t changes.....the funny tin with religionists is that the refute life cannot come from non life...yet believe in it..because the bible said so...aint that weird?(dnt gimme the magician god shvt...t was stated let the earth bring forth..llet the water bring forth...)

No Sir. The best that has been done is the production of AMINO ACIDS.
The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile 5-liter glass flask connected to a 500 ml flask half-full of liquid water.

The DNA of the simplest Bacteria is so complex, its like a collection of sets of Encyclopedeas detailing every trace of behaviour from the microcellular to the tissue level.

re u teaching me muller's experiment?..bro update ur knowledge...google is there for u...''synthetic'' dna has been made...also dna bases were also made by some research scientists involving a laser action(mimicking a meteorite) and a pre-medieval soup containing chemicals...do ur research before tryna make false claims

Your Faith in Science actualy repaced your Faith in God. I can conclude that you just replaced one God for another.

you call it faith..i call it reality and fact..i dont need to be a prophet for u to know that in the next century...science wud be in an another whole level...i dnt need to be a magician for anyone to see that science is working more than ur supposed ''god''...calling science my god is ur choice tho..i might as well call anytin we know as fact ''god''
frm ur statement n belief..

If neurochemicals are the source of our thoughts, then there will be nothing like WILL or VOLITION since chemicals will dictate our behaviours. But you know that this is not true. We decide how to think our thoughts.

Do Atheists have Atheistic chemicals running in their Brains? ...... LOL

smtimes u feel u have free will bt u dont and smtimes u do...the tin i have wif u is that u refuse to research...
Its not jst a bunch of chemicals....u tend to give ur supposed ''soul'' the drivers seat...bt actually..its all the parts of the body working together...ts much more complex than u think it is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will

another tin is that..any direction u try to twist ur living soul into...
Its also found in animals...self awareness?...animals display it...
Will or volition?...animals display it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_in_animals
help urself..ts up there..

NDEs have occured due to different causes of death. From people who chose to commit suicide to people who were sick, to those who have accidents to those who slept normally and woke up in death. How do you explain several NDE reports that detail the happening around their death bed...

Here is a link to a non christian research into NDEs

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
You are wrong

i am wrong abt none claiming james randi's prize or wah?
I am wrong that those who reported scenes had all of their senses unconscious?..like flat EEG lines? Etc...
THere's a whole lot of stuffs for NDErs which are waiting for u and ur friends..jst wikipedia search ''list of evidence for the paranormal'' ...
cant bring everytin here man...the very clear fact that NDE's can be re-created alone...shud leave u wondering if its really a ''soul'' or a brain process...

NDE's Occur as a result of many things
I have used a clear illustration to explain the unseen with what we as intelligent humans can relate to: The Computer CPU and the Operating system. It makes perfect sense.

yes it makes perfect sense if u accpt the fact that that program(OS) Is easily found in animals also..
''take the relation between soul
and body as uncomplicated, in the same way that it
is uncomplicated that a cubical shape is a property
of a toy building block. The soul is a property
exhibited by the body, one among many.
Moreover, when the body perishes, so does the soul, just as the shape of a
building block disappears with destruction of the block.''

Every animal have a soul as I have explained above. Instinct is a function of the soul. instinct is a pre-recorded subroutine if you like about the course of action a living being must take if an event happens. It is a software (the SOUL) that rules the body.

The absence of an empirically identifiable meeting
point between the non-physical mind and its
physical extension has proven problematic to
sdualism and modern philosophers of mind
maintain that the mind is not something separate from the body...These approaches have been particularly influential in the sciences, particularly in
the fields of sociobiology, computer science, evolutionary psychology, and the neurosciences...take an example..
how the human soul can determine the
movement of the animal spirits in the
body so as to perform voluntary acts—
being as it is merely a conscious
substance. For the determination of
movement seems always to come about from the moving body's being propelled
—to depend on the kind of impulse it
gets from what sets it in motion, or again,
on the nature and shape of this latter
thing's surface. Now the first two
conditions involve contact, and the third involves that the impelling thing has
extension; but you utterly exclude
extension from your notion of soul, and
contact seems to me incompatible with a
thing's being immaterial...''
think it through

A spirit is different from a soul. Every spirit has a soul but the converse is not true.

uve failed to provide evidence of this...since all functions of the ''soul''
is still found in humans and animals alike..

Kai. I prostrate for you oh. I am sorry Sir.

Every spirit has a soul. The soul is the center of Will, Emotion, Intellect and Intution.
A spirit is eternal.
All human beings are eternal because in addition to their Soul, they are Spirits.
When a man dies, his spirit body becomes dominant.

In NDEs, humans appear as Spirits who still retain their Soul and therefore they can recollect every event thet ever happend in their life. Their IDENTITY remains the same even though they have died.

It is appointed for a man to die only once and after that Judgement!

if this
brain was really nonfunctional, the NDE's could not have any memory of these experiences, given that memories
are a product of neural activity?
You believe the mind can exist separately from the
brain. How, where, I inquire?...
You may say'' That we don't yet
know. The fact that mind and
consciousness are not fully explained by natural forces, however, is not proof of the supernatural. In
any case, there is a reason they are called near-
death experiences: the people who have them are
not actually dead...
Our brains don’t
just tuck away a movie of our experiences somewhere
in our temporal lobe; they store a few little details
away, with a web of associations, and basically
reconstruct the event when we try to recall it.

If your phone was programmed by the manufacturer to start downloading from playstore when you press the ON button, when you press the ON button you will start downloading of course from playstore....

But do you know what most phones are programmed to do if you press the ON button for more than 5 seconds? They switch OFF or REBOOT!

im not askin u what phones do whe the ON button is pressed...im tryna tell u that a soul as a program is not and never feasible with freewill...

Have you put into account the fact that your DESIGNER and MAKER gave you a FREE WILL. You can even choose to disobey Him. That is the level of independence He gave you. Every one of us make his own choices..therefore we cannot be alike!

if u tell me a designer cud create me...i agree..there's a possibility...
It cud also be natural #no designer involved...
Bt if u tell me that designer is the biblical or qu'ranic one or an abrhamic one...well lol...good luck convincing me wit the most potent weapon of atheism ever #THE BIBLE..

Do animals also release Oxytosin?
Can Animals Love?
What is Love?

u jst proved my hypothesis correct wit the above....
U dnt research...
Even when i tell u to...u willingly refuse...
Im not here to argue blindly....
U have ur phone and enof access to the internet....
Do ur homework..

felixomor:



My different posts on NDEs across many threads on this nairaland remain unresolved by even the seemingly smart among them.
Science is still struggling with how to explain the phenonemom.
They dont know what to ascribe it to. They have tried severally.

The most stunning part is that there are known atheists who died and experienced the phenomenon, came back and narrated God.
If it was really a function of the brain, such people wont experience NDEs pointing them to God, since their brains are filled with information of "No God".

atheists who see a peaceful afterlife?..
Buddhists who see budha?
Islams who see allah?(pretty sure)
if it was all connected to jst one god...Y?
.

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the greater variety of differences than
similarities between different NDEs, where specific
details of NDEs generally conform to cultural expectation; ...why?

.

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the typical randomness or insignificance of the memories retrieved during those few NDEs that include a life review; ??



hallucinatory imagery in NDEs, including encounters with mythological creatures and fictional characters...like alien abductions....etc...??


Think thru man...
The very clear fact that it can be created in the lab..shud make u think twice abt its supernatural status....



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.and science aint struggling....nde has been explained...tho its still an area of intense research

raphieMontella:

atheists who see a peaceful afterlife?..
Buddhists who see budha?
Islams who see allah?(pretty sure)
if it was all connected to jst one god...Y?
.

.

the greater variety of differences than
similarities between different NDEs, where specific
details of NDEs generally conform to cultural expectation; ...why?

.

.

the typical randomness or insignificance of the memories retrieved during those few NDEs that include a life review; ??



hallucinatory imagery in NDEs, including encounters with mythological creatures and fictional characters...like alien abductions....etc...??


Think thru man...
The very clear fact that it can be created in the lab..shud make u think twice abt its supernatural status....



.

.and science aint struggling....nde has been explained...tho its still an area of intense research

It has been explained, hmmmm really?

felixomor:

It has been explained, hmmmm really?

lol..google is one click away... Jst like neuroscience...lots of research are done on nde's for more knowledge

raphieMontella:

lol..google is one click away...
Jst like neuroscience...lots of research are done on nde's for more knowledge

Google, yeah right!

analice107:

As far as am concern, these dudes know what they are doing. They know. I think it's a duty they must perform.

I agree, they know what they are doing. They follow the core principles of Satansism.
Two basic versions of Satanism exist:
1. Atheistic Satanism
2. Spiritual Satanism
At the core, they are the same.

I only wish they have counted the COST viz ETERNITY!

I am sorry I have been off line...Deadline to keep.

OgundeleT:

which research made you to draw this bolded conclusion

We are dealing with what cannot be seen: the Soul, so you should not expect me to give you scientific evidence. But like Plato or Socrates, we can do some thought Experiments (is that not in the field of Phyllosophy?).

The illustration I gave is perfectly sensible. Comparing a Computer and its Operating System(Program) to the relationship between the Brain and Soul.
Now, YOU! Give me a counter illustration.
Can a COMPUTER (Brain) FUNCTION without the SOFTWARE(Soul) counterpart?

OgundeleT:

a theory is a system of logical reasoning that scientist carefully construct to explain unknown based on valid assumption about natural phenomena stop twisting something for you own gain. but it is advisable to believe s book that claimed snake talk, a book that contradict itself? or u want me to drop Quran and other religion book that have different contradicting stories about different gods and take yours?

I am not against your definition. Underline the word assumption! An assumption by dictionary definition is:

a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
"they made certain assumptions about the market"
synonyms: supposition, presumption, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, premise, hypothesis;

In other words, a hypothesis hasnt got a proof or evidence of truthfulness. It is a supposition, presumption, belief, expectation, conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, premise, hypothesis that their construct to explain unknown is TRUE!

How does it go against my earlier construct
A theory is a SPECULATION about unexplained events or situation waiting for confirmation. A theory can be found untrue and wrong (and several has) but a scientific LAW is verified.

OgundeleT:

you just keep on typing thrashes. i said there is no sufficient prove that any god exist and you are here telling me it created one soul. what kind of argument is that? btw. if your child is missing wont you search for him or he/she must be the one to search for you? your argument is just off the line

I see your point. You expect that GOD will look for you because you are of some infinite importance!? If God was to be quantified Physically, He will be minimally of the the size of our solar system then, you will be invisble and less than a Virus in size. God has indeed looked FOUND you but you resist to follow Him. Its your choice isnt it?

Lets assume that God did not create the Soul,
can we also agree that the Soul is the Software Counterpart of the Brain?
If that is true, can a software code itself?

If the Software cannot code itself, then there must exist a Programmer: GOD!

OgundeleT:

u have to logically prove your god's existence first before you can proceed that he created something call soul. stop this childish argument in 2016

No Sir!
The Existence of the Soul is the Proof of God the Programmer
The Existence of God is NOT the Proof of a Soul.

I dont need to know of Bill Gates and the other Microsoft Programmers to Prove the existence of Microsoft Windows!
The existence of Microsoft Windows prove that One or More Programmers Coded the Operating System

Joshuabase:

LOL, I don't even know how to reply this, dekatron, johnnydon22, plaetton, coolusername.
After reading the above, I just felt weak. I lost all hope for humanity.

And he calls it "Evidence". This is why I don't engage in intellectual discussions with theists.
Google the law of large numbers.

For the sake of arguments, lets assume that all humans are programed by an all-loving entity. Explain osteoporosis in children.

Dictionary
noun: osteoporosis

a medical condition in which the bones become brittle and fragile from loss of tissue, typically as a result of hormonal changes, or deficiency of calcium or vitamin D.

Your point is, if God is loving like we Christian Theists say He is, how come osteoporosis in children?
1. For your information, God has set up rules which guide the runniing of the Universe. He seldoms overide those rules and if He does, we Men (on Earth) call it a Miracle
2. The rules are intertwined and depends weakly or strongly on each other
3. Everything (including every babies) are subject to the consequences of directly or indirectly aligning or mis-aligning ourselves with those laws.
4. There is a law of Chaos unfortunatly which was Authorised by our Ansestors. It is called the Law of Death and Decay. We are ALL subject to the laws whether we like it or not (including Babies)

In other words, when a Parent give their child his/her own personal BEDROOM, it is the childs responsibility to take care of the Room. The Child is subject to his/her choices within the room. parents seldom control their childrens bedroom affairs.

If a woman contracts ghonorhea while pregnant, her baby may be born blind.
If I get drunk and drive on the streets I may Maim or kill some innocent bystanders
If a president decides to go to war on another nation, thousands of innocent civilians will die

ARE ALL THESE GODS FAULT?

The title of the thread is confusing. If there is a soul, then everyone has it irrespective of whether they're atheists or theists. If there isn't a soul, then nobody has one.
******
That said, my understanding towards the concept of consciousness is purely philosophical and has not been proven by scientific experiments, though its still an ongoing study with different hypotheses. I'm all for new discoveries, and with the knowledge that the classical Newtonian concept of three dimensional space might become obsolete, based on the results of the studies (M-theory), I'm keeping my mind open.

CoolUsername:


You're just asking questions that I've already answered. It is coded in the genes of every single animal to make more of its kind.

Even the very DNA that makes us up is self-replicating. It is exactly what I said.

That is exactly what i have been saying. It is CODED or PROGRAMMED in the genes (Brains) of every single animal!
Are the Codes physical? No!
Are the Codes Logical Sequences? Yes!

My conclusion: If there is a CODE, there is a PROGRAMMER!

Easy to understand..abi!

shadeyinka:



I agree, they know what they are doing. They follow the core principles of Satansism.
Two basic versions of Satanism exist:
1. Atheistic Satanism
2. Spiritual Satanism
At the core, they are the same.

I only wish they have counted the COST viz ETERNITY!

I know they are.

If we carefully Analyze their submissions, for me, I'd say we'll hear the same voice over the years asking the same questions, with the motive of or seeking to trick and derail.

For instance, Satan, fully aware that Jesus had been 40 days without food, went to him with the need of the moment,

"If you are the son of God", Turn these stones into bread and eat" (no be say Jesus go beg am food sef o). Satan knew in him that there's nothing impossible for God to do, yet he taunt Him, thinking Out of "pride" Jesus will do it to prove to Satan that he could do it", it was a bait, Jesus knowing better blew him off. "Even if I can do it, it won't be at your command. I don't answer to you.
But what if Jesus did it just to proof to Satan that he can actually do it, because he could? Jesus would ve been guilty of two sins.
1. Pride
2. Taking orders from a lesser authority.

With Satan, it has always been "If you are, Prove it"

With the atheists it's also been "If God is, Prove it" or let him proof it by appearing physically let's see him.

But, even if God were to come in flesh and blood (which he did in the person of Jesus) won't they say Him, "Get out of hear liar, there's nothing like God, you are lying?"

I hear the same voice speaking through different people, through different generations. But saying the same thing.

In Eden, he said to Eve, "Eat the fruit as a proof that you won't die". But, when she ate the fruit did Eve drop dead physically, no, but did Eve die spiritually? Yes.

Satan keeps pushing for PROVES, PHYSICAL AND EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. he is not interested in those proves, he is interested in the PRIDE which takes over a man and propels him to do it to proof that he can indeed do it. (This is the sin which brought Satan down, and he is making sure to trap everyone with it).

Let's ask ourselves this questions for a moment

1. Is it possible that with all the super intellectual claims of the Atheists, that they don't know that spirits are intangible, so can't be seen with physical (human) eyes?

2. Should we conclude that they are willingly daft when it comes to the things of God (Yahweh)? because they don't really have issues with other gods.

3. Is atheism a disbelief in only Yahweh? Why is every atheist's fight is to disprove the existence of Yahweh, neglecting the other elementary God's?

4. The Atheists say, God is a ferry tale, okay, but shrek is also a ferry tale creature, Why don't they spend as much time talking about shrek like they do talking about Yahweh?

5. Are they hiding under the pretext of atheism, when in essence are Satanists?

What is the religion of satan? Self-worship.

What is the religion of atheists? Self-worship.

Am I making any common sense?

Sorry, I have been offline. ...Deadlines to keep!

cloudgoddess:

All which are controlled by the brain.

You mean all these are controlled by Instructions/Codes/Programs in the Brain

cloudgoddess:

What do you think causes that electrical activity? Chemicals. Calcium ions are directly responsible for the depolarization of cardiac cells. Hormones like adrenaline are responsible for speeding up the heartbeat, and acetylcholine slows it down.

Electricity by itself is useless without the electrical circuit AND the electrical circuit is useless without a logical connection by a Software or Hardware Coder/Programmer.

cloudgoddess:

This comment was made on two erroneous assumptions:
1. That scientific understanding of a natural phenomenon automatically means we must be able to replicate it. This is ridiculous. We understand stars, their composition, how they are formed, but because of obvious limitations in materials, we've yet to recreate a star. Doesn't mean we don't understand them.

2. That science not being able to recreate life RIGHT NOW, means we will never be able to. Remember that just 300 years ago people were dying by the thousands from diseases we can get cheap immunizations for today. Science takes time, but it can be trusted.

NO! We dont full understand stars, their composition, how they are formed (we have speculated of course scientifically). For instance based on indirect measurements and calculations deduced that a star is mainly H2 and He atoms. How did they come together? What initiated nuclear reactions within them? What is the source of the elements which make up the stars? No scientist know...we still have too much to learn.

How can we replicate that which we have not fully understood?

Now, your second point is what I call FAITH in Science. Just as I have FAITH/TRUST in God! You await the future when Science would have grown Bigger and Better!

That was exactly my point when i said Atheists replaced GOD the Creator with god the Science

cloudgoddess:

It amazes me the demands that theists have the audacity to make when they haven't come close to explaining some of the most glaring issues with their religious books. It's like, how can you demand a synthetic life form as evidence that we're made of chemicals, yet accept that a Jewish man died on the cross for Africans 2000 years ago, walked on water, and is his own dad -- with absolutely NO proof but a 2,000 year old, edited & re-edited book that says it.

You're obviously applying unequal standards of evidence to the two topics, and it's clear why. Religious bias is clouding your thinking.

No! I wasnt seeking that Scientists create life. No! I am asking for a small strain of DNA. LOL
Seriously speaking, the post was not supposed to be about religion. The Post was about the SOUL!

If the SOUL is like a computer program, does it not connote an overwhelming evidence that a Programmer Exist?

Every Atheist who have read this post know that if the SOUL working in conjection with our BRAIN defines our CONCIOUSNESS and is the centre of our WILL (Volition), INTELLECT(Intelligence) and EMOTION(Feeling),
then
The SOUL is Similar to the OPERATING SYSTEM and APPLICATION PROGRAMS in the CPU (Central Processing Unit) of a Computer

Even though the above is true, The implication is not agreeable to Atheists

cloudgoddess:

Not necessarily. We each have unique immune systems that are set up to fight against unrecognized invaders. The chemical composition of a random person's brain/body won't necessarily be compatible with another's and the only way to find out is through rigorous testing for compatibility.

You're also forgetting that our trillions of brain cells age along with our bodies, accumulating mutations and waste that are incredibly tiny yet have devastating effects on the cellular scale. Fixing all of these microscopic, delicate areas would take technology that does not yet exist.

Actually conciousness cannot just be a chemical affair. It is more deeper than that. It is not even a hardware affair. Conciousness exist because of the interaction between the Software and the hardware part of man

cloudgoddess:

Our brains are always playing tricks on us. Our minds are ripe for illusions, hallucinations, and misconceptions. Under the right conditions people can be brainwashed en masse to "see" things that aren't really there. And this is while fully conscious. Drugs like LSD can produce wild hallucinations as well, just by toying with our brain chemistry.

It's no surprise that an unconscious, "nearly-dead" person, with his mental faculties still partially in tact, would be able to see incredible visions and illusions that seem real.

Here is a non Christian Research findings into NDEs. It is NOT a brain affair or hallucination! If a person is on drugs like LSD, does the Brain wave fain death?

It's no surprise that an unconscious, "nearly-dead" person, with his mental faculties still partially in tact, would be able to see incredible visions and illusions that seem real.

Lets assume that its the Brain producing illusions, how come most of the illusions are similar?
How come most of them are not like the NORMAL Dreams people dream?

By choice and deliberateness you have decided to overlook the obvious reasons.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html
You are wrong!!

cloudgoddess:

Yes, instincts are genetic. Google "genome sequencing animal behaviors". Some instincts have already been traced to the specific portions of DNA that code for them. And individuals without a specific code can be seen to not show the behavior.

Can you see how difficult it is to avoid words like CODE/PROGRAMME and LOGICAL INSTRUCTIONS.

cloudgoddess:

No, our morality is a result of evolutionarily inherited traits, plus environmentally learned (culture, religion, etc) traits. It's easy to see this when you observe what was historically considered moral compared to what is now. The bible even condones slavery and the subjugation of women. Those verses speak to the morality of the bible's time. We've since developed better standards.

A basic intro to Neuroscience class would prove you wrong. I mean these things are literally basic. Your education is lacking immensely.

How about INSTINCTS? Are they also evolutional inherited traits? Who teaches a Chicken to Brood on her Eggs? If the action is to a chicken illogical (does a chicken really know that chickens will come out of those eggs?) then it cannot be an evolutionary behaviour.

Is it impossible that morals is part of human spiritual instinct?

raphieMontella:

Im kinda busy wit work..bt lets roll
genesis 2:7..kjv said man became a living soul...Goodnews and NIV said man became alive...i.o.w man it means man being alive..
Ok...Bt looking at this closely...god's breath was on man..and not on woman..so by this means...women dont have living souls as u stated in.. gen 2.7..they were made from ''bone'' and no god's breath happened...i'd advice u keep the bible aside in our argumentts...because i'd shatter the bible..ts a book thats easily killls it self...

You speak like you understand the Bible but your gross lack of understanding is apparent.
Your argument: If Man is a Living Soul and Woman came out of man, then Woman is NOT a living Soul.
If I was Born from a Parent do I not inherit a "Soul component" of my Parent? If every living Being has their souls could it not be that some things are being transmitted down the line. EVE was NOT a separate creation from ADAM. Eve was from Adam!
...but for now, it is a digression to bring theology into the discussion about the soul.

raphieMontella:

E.g double creation stories in gen 1&2...god creates birds out of the air/water and fish out of water..bt in gen two..they're all created outa tthe earth..(maybe god aint so anti evolutionary afta all)..in gen one man and woman weren't created by dust and bone respectively but in gen two t changes.....the funny tin with religionists is that the refute life cannot come from non life...yet believe in it..because the bible said so...aint that weird?(dnt gimme the magician god shvt...t was stated let the earth bring forth..llet the water bring forth...)

..Sidestepping your ignorance in the above statement, "You have a Soul, your Soul is like an operating system (a non Physical Program)" . The function of your soul to that of your physical existence is like that of an operating stsytem to a computer.

Modelling/Simulation of the Simplest microbe:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/to-model-the-simplest-microbe-in-the-world-you-need-128-computers/260198/

The simplest living organism was done NOT by building by but by Reducing an original synthetic life, called SYN 1.0, and started knocking out and adding back in genes as necessary.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/craig-venter-created-the-simplest-living-organism-possible-in-a-laboratory

The last paragraph of the website above reads:
"

“We view life as DNA software-driven,” Venter said. “And we're showing that by trying to understand that software, we're going to get better understandings of life.”

"

Which is what I have been saying since the beginning of this Post.

raphieMontella:

you call it faith..i call it reality and fact..i dont need to be a prophet for u to know that in the next century...science wud be in an another whole level...i dnt need to be a magician for anyone to see that science is working more than ur supposed ''god''...calling science my god is ur choice tho..i might as well call anytin we know as fact ''god''
frm ur statement n belief..

It doesnt change a thing. You have Replaced God the creator with god the Science.
You will understand when you finaly discover that you are not just flesh, bone and blood.
There is enough evidence of the non physical soul!

raphieMontella:

smtimes u feel u have free will bt u dont and smtimes u do...the tin i have wif u is that u refuse to research...
Its not jst a bunch of chemicals....u tend to give ur supposed ''soul'' the drivers seat...bt actually..its all the parts of the body working together...ts much more complex than u think it is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will

I agree

its all the parts of the body working together...

under the direction of that Invisible Software; the Operating System called the Soul. The Operating system of a computer actually occupies the Driver Seat.

raphieMontella:

another tin is that..any direction u try to twist ur living soul into...
Its also found in animals...self awareness?...animals display it...
Will or volition?...animals display it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_in_animals
help urself..ts up there..

I said ALL Animals including Humans have their Soul. The seat of Conciousness aand Identity. The Center of their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
..and I mentioned that the difference betweem Humans and Animals is that Humans have their Spirits (which of course is another point of discuss..nto for now)

raphieMontella:

i am wrong abt none claiming james randi's prize or wah?
I am wrong that those who reported scenes had all of their senses unconscious?..like flat EEG lines? Etc...
THere's a whole lot of stuffs for NDErs which are waiting for u and ur friends..jst wikipedia search ''list of evidence for the paranormal'' ...
cant bring everytin here man...the very clear fact that NDE's can be re-created alone...shud leave u wondering if its really a ''soul'' or a brain process...

The fact that NDEs can be simulated does not prove any point unless of course the definition of DEATH can be altered from the scientific definition. How is NDE simulated?..by causing a clinical death of an individual chemically or physically and attempting to revive the person before an irriversible dammage is done to the body tissues (including the brain). Surely, if a person can be medicall brought back to life from an accident scene, it should not be impossible to clinically cause a "medically controlled effect" of accident which can result in a persons death.

raphieMontella:

yes it makes perfect sense if u accpt the fact that that program(OS) Is easily found in animals also..
''take the relation between soul
and body as uncomplicated, in the same way that it
is uncomplicated that a cubical shape is a property
of a toy building block. The soul is a property
exhibited by the body, one among many.
Moreover, when the body perishes, so does the soul, just as the shape of a
building block disappears with destruction of the block.''

From the beginning, i have made it clear that Animals have their Souls: Software that Runs evry living Being.

My argument have been, if the soul is a Software, then there must be a programmer! Simple!!

raphieMontella:

The absence of an empirically identifiable meeting point between the non-physical mind and its physical extension has proven problematic to sdualism and modern philosophers of mind maintain that the mind is not something separate from the body...These approaches have been particularly influential in the sciences, particularly in the fields of sociobiology, computer science, evolutionary psychology, and the neurosciences...take an example..

how the human soul can determine the movement of the animal spirits in the body so as to perform voluntary acts— being as it is merely a conscious substance. For the determination of movement seems always to come about from the moving body's being propelled
—to depend on the kind of impulse it gets from what sets it in motion, or again, on the nature and shape of this latter thing's surface. Now the first two conditions involve contact, and the third involves that the impelling thing has extension; but you utterly exclude extension from your notion of soul, and contact seems to me incompatible with a thing's being immaterial...'' think it through

This your last statements above seems to be the most intellectually matured of all your post on this topic. I appaud this!

However, the Soul IS NOT just merely a conscious substance it is your IDENTITY. The One you call I! or ME! the One whoc decides or chooses, the One who likes or hate, the One who works to control your Body through Your Brain (Your brain is an interface between your Soul and your Body). Except for Reflexes and Autonomous movements, the soul is the action man.

Movement of the Body usually comes from a choice (WILL), you can choose not to reply this post if you Will, Your Soul gives the Instructions and Your brain makes your Body to Comply.

raphieMontella:

uve failed to provide evidence of this...since all functions of the ''soul''
is still found in humans and animals alike..

I have. You were the one who got me wrong.

raphieMontella:

if this brain was really nonfunctional, the NDE's could not have any memory of these experiences, given that memories are a product of neural activity?
You believe the mind can exist separately from the brain. How, where, I inquire?... You may say'' That we don't yet know. The fact that mind and
consciousness are not fully explained by natural forces, however, is not proof of the supernatural. In any case, there is a reason they are called near- death experiences: the people who have them are not actually dead... Our brains don’t just tuck away a movie of our experiences somewhere in our temporal lobe; they store a few little details away, with a web of associations, and basically reconstruct the event when we try to recall it.

If the Soul is the Center of oour WILL, INTELLECT and EMOTION then this OPERATING system has its own Memory. However for the Body (Brain) must have a backup memory of the same information and CONCLUSIONS of the SOUL.

That is the reason why a person who experiences an NDE does NOT see it as a DREAM but as REALITY!

Can a Software Exist if a computer Dies? Of course!
(Is a software the Logical Instructions written is a CD, DVD, FlashDrive etc or the Logical Instructions stored in a computers CPU?)
Can a Computer write to the Same Memory device that hosts its OS? Of course!

In any case, there is a reason they are called near- death experiences: the people who have them are not actually dead.

LOL

It is called near death because of no better vocabulary to describe this person who is known to have died but here he is still eating Rice and Beans.

Our brains don’t just tuck away a movie of our experiences somewhere in our temporal lobe;

LOL

..and how come that in ALL NDE cases, the Subjects were AWARE that they had DIED.
Have you every had a dream where you knew that you had died and your Ghost was interacting with others?

raphieMontella:

im not askin u what phones do whe the ON button is pressed...im tryna tell u that a soul as a program is not and never feasible with freewill...

Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it has what is called "Artificial Intelligence"?
Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it becomes self aware?

raphieMontella:

if u tell me a designer cud create me...i agree..there's a possibility...
It cud also be natural #no designer involved...
Bt if u tell me that designer is the biblical or qu'ranic one or an abrhamic one...well lol...good luck convincing me wit the most potent weapon of atheism ever #THE BIBLE..

I thank my God you agree there is a possibility that a Designer created you. I am happy for that.
Is the THE BIBLE really the most potent weapon of atheism?

I am a Christian. I believe in the God of Abraham. I believe there is Life after Death. I believe there is judgement after this life. I believe that there is a purpose for life and exixtence. I believe that the world is a qualifying exam for Gods purpose.

However, If i had come to you with some Theological Grammer, you will not listen for your MIND is made up...but I can reach you through LOGICS, PHYLLOSOPHY and SCIENCE. For either way you look, you will find God.

After finding God, the next question will be determining who the true God is for just as Money, several counterfeits are accessibe.

shadeyinka:



That is exactly what i have been saying. It is CODED or PROGRAMMED in the genes (Brains) of every single animal!
Are the Codes physical? No!
Are the Codes Logical Sequences? Yes!

My conclusion: If there is a CODE, there is a PROGRAMMER!

Easy to understand..abi!

But nucleic acids that write the code are just complex self-assembling compounds.

AnonyNymous:
The title of the thread is confusing. If there is a soul, then everyone has it irrespective of whether they're atheists or theists. If there isn't a soul, then nobody has one.
******
That said, my understanding towards the concept of consciousness is purely philosophical and has not been proven by scientific experiments, though its still an ongoing study with different hypotheses. I'm all for new discoveries, and with the knowledge that the classical Newtonian concept of three dimensional space might become obsolete, based on the results of the studies (M-theory), I'm keeping my mind open.

I like your matured openness to the post.

A Theists believe in the existence of a Soul whether or not they believe in the Afterlife or not.

However, Atheists run into conflict of opinions. Why? Atheists do not believe in the existence of things that cannot be quantified.

However there are implications to the answer of this question:
If Atheist claim they have Souls then by implication a part of their existence is not physical hence the spirit rhelm (they always deny) may also exist.
If Souls doesn't exist, then what is that software-like thing that runs the brain.

A good comparison between the interaction of the Brain and the Soul is like that between a computers CPU and the Operating System.

In Physics, there is the fourth dimension of time. The fifth dimension is the rhelm of the soul and spirit.

The soul is a persons Identity. It is the one you call I or ME. It is the one who feels happy, sad, joy, anger etc. The soul is the center of our Will, Emotion and Intellect. The soul is the source of our instinct and life.

Death occurs when the soul is disconnected from the body (brain)

analice107:

I know they are.

If we carefully Analyze their submissions, for me, I'd say we'll hear the same voice over the years asking the same questions, with the motive of or seeking to trick and derail.

For instance, Satan, fully aware that Jesus had been 40 days without food, went to him with the need of the moment,

"If you are the son of God", Turn these stones into bread and eat" (no be say Jesus go beg am food sef o). Satan knew in him that there's nothing impossible for God to do, yet he taunt Him, thinking Out of "pride" Jesus will do it to prove to Satan that he could do it", it was a bait, Jesus knowing better blew him off. "Even if I can do it, it won't be at your command. I don't answer to you.
But what if Jesus did it just to proof to Satan that he can actually do it, because he could? Jesus would ve been guilty of two sins.
1. Pride
2. Taking orders from a lesser authority.

With Satan, it has always been "If you are, Prove it"

With the atheists it's also been "If God is, Prove it" or let him proof it by appearing physically let's see him.

But, even if God were to come in flesh and blood (which he did in the person of Jesus) won't they say Him, "Get out of hear liar, there's nothing like God, you are lying?"

I hear the same voice speaking through different people, through different generations. But saying the same thing.

In Eden, he said to Eve, "Eat the fruit as a proof that you won't die". But, when she ate the fruit did Eve drop dead physically, no, but did Eve die spiritually? Yes.

Satan keeps pushing for PROVES, PHYSICAL AND EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. he is not interested in those proves, he is interested in the PRIDE which takes over a man and propels him to do it to proof that he can indeed do it. (This is the sin which brought Satan down, and he is making sure to trap everyone with it).

Let's ask ourselves this questions for a moment

1. Is it possible that with all the super intellectual claims of the Atheists, that they don't know that spirits are intangible, so can't be seen with physical (human) eyes?

2. Should we conclude that they are willingly daft when it comes to the things of God (Yahweh)? because they don't really have issues with other gods.

3. Is atheism a disbelief in only Yahweh? Why is every atheist's fight is to disprove the existence of Yahweh, neglecting the other elementary God's?

4. The Atheists say, God is a ferry tale, okay, but shrek is also a ferry tale creature, Why don't they spend as much time talking about shrek like they do talking about Yahweh?

5. Are they hiding under the pretext of atheism, when in essence are Satanists?

What is the religion of satan? Self-worship.

What is the religion of atheists? Self-worship.

Am I making any common sense?

My dear Sister, you nailed it on the head. The Sin of Self worship. Honestly, I pity Atheists because most of them will find out the Truth when it is too late.

Hatred of God is the root of the Atheists problem. At a point in their life, they despiratly needed a miracle only for nothing to happen. They blame God and then question His love, question His words...and of course we Christians are no good example of the the Word of God we profess.

Unfortunately, unknown to them, demons latch unto them and they become the enemy of God. Demons have a full expression of the display of hatered towards God.

I hope that some of them will find God even if it is first at an intellectual level. After that,bwe can talk about their need of Salvation.

Shalom my Sister.

shadeyinka:


My dear Sister, you nailed it on the head. The Sin of Self worship. Honestly, I pity Atheists because most of them will find out the Truth when it is too late.

Hatred of God is the root of the Atheists problem. At a point in their life, they despiratly needed a miracle only for nothing to happen. They blame God and then question His love, question His words...and of course we Christians are no good example of the the Word of God we profess.

Unfortunately, unknown to them, demons latch unto them and they become the enemy of God. Demons have a full expression of the display of hatered towards God.

I hope that some of them will find God even if it is first at an intellectual level. After that,bwe can talk about their need of Salvation.

Shalom my Sister.

God bless you sir. May God reward your effort in spreading His good news.

CoolUsername:


But nucleic acids that write the code are just complex self-assembling compounds.

But nucleic acids by themselves do not choose a persons course of behaviour. We can say that based on genetic composition, most humans are alike. However, we differ by our likes, dislikes, temperaments, will power, etc. These are products of our experiences and choices.

Does a human DNA for instance change with time? No!
Does a persons character change with time? Yes!

Its not the chemicals or their complex combinations it is the program that runs at the background. The Operating System of the complex electrical combinations of the nucleic acids: the SOUL!

If I choose not to sleep for 24 straight hours, how many chemical bonds will be made or broken because of my decision! It is the software my dear! The Soul!

analice107:

God bless you sir. May God reward your effort in spreading His good news.

Thanks. Stay Rapturable!

Happy sunday man!!...lol..tho i dnt do sundays..

shadeyinka:


You speak like you understand the Bible but your gross lack of understanding is apparent.
Your argument: If Man is a Living Soul and Woman came out of man, then Woman is NOT a living Soul

actually ur argument is:if jesus is god...and angels nd lucifer emanated from god then lucifer can also be called god the creator...

If I was Born from a Parent do I not inherit a "Soul component" of my Parent? If every living Being has their souls could it not be that some things are being transmitted down the line. EVE was NOT a separate creation from ADAM. Eve was from Adam

i tot u said each soul's identity is unique..how can u then take ur soul from ur parents?...ure sharing their souls?..wtf?..how does that even sound to u...?

...but for now, it is a digression to bring theology into the discussion about the soul.

u re the initial bringer of dogmatic books...
Remember the soul is supposed to be smwhere arnd the brain...not a rib..so prove ur soul's eternal property..

..Sidestepping your ignorance in the above statement, "You have a Soul, your Soul is like an operating system (a non Physical Program)" . The function of your soul to that of your physical existence is like that of an operating stsytem to a computer.

ur soul is supposed to be in charge of all actions including basic's like lets say walking..bt ure yet to show an extension...
Like in a computer...there an extension..the firmware#a type of software...programs or self launched programmes all take source from the firmware..
The firmware contained in these devices provides
the low-level control program for the device

Modelling/Simulation of the Simplest microbe:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/to-model-the-simplest-microbe-in-the-world-you-need-128-computers/260198/

The simplest living organism was done NOT by building by but by Reducing an original synthetic life, called SYN 1.0, and started knocking out and adding back in genes as necessary.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/craig-venter-created-the-simplest-living-organism-possible-in-a-laboratory

The last paragraph of the website above reads:
""

Which is what I have been saying since the beginning of this Post.

i never told u craig made life from non life...u re bringing words outa thin air..
It was given information bt the cell itself wasnt created..thats why its called synthetic oga..nt abiogenesis

It doesnt change a thing. You have Replaced God the creator with god the Science.
You will understand when you finaly discover that you are not just flesh, bone and blood.

this argument is beginning to switch lanes..nt impressive bro..
IOW As an internet user u worship science...m nt gonna debate it with u..frm ur sayings it is factual..

There is enough evidence of the non physical soul!

im yet to see an evidence that the soul can exist without the body..
Never forget a software is useless without its hardware...

I agree under the direction of that Invisible Software; the Operating System called the Soul. The Operating system of a computer actually occupies the Driver Seat.

bt uve failed to provide evidence of its drivers(sole controller's ability)..
I gave u a wikipedia link on neuroscience of free will..
M sure u shud knw that sm actions are believed to be free will bt are not...
[b]Lemme give u a much better example of how the brain is..
do a simple substitution of consciouness
with the stock Markets, and substitute individual
traders as neurons, You get my general idea that the stock is similar to consciouness.
Millions of individual distinct traders make up and
participate in the Markets, but the Market itself is
independent, being the collective interactive of all
players in the Market..bt when the building/structure/place/area where the market exists ceases to exist..the market does so also..
Another example i want u to reason is the driving of a vehicle....
take two neurons neuron A and neuron B(a buyer and a seller) in the brain(market)..neuron A comes to neuron B to get a particular commodity...in that first day.. Prize is discussed nd commodity is bought and a specified amount of commodity bought is stabilized over time with a stabilized prize..#this is the learning of how to drive a car...
over time the interaction between neuron A and neuron B wud be automatic..such that neuron A doesnt have to talk before neuron B sells goods to neuron A..#when driving ceases to be intentional(manually initiated....t becomes automated)...u can confirm driving's freewill on that wikipedia page.[/b]

I said ALL Animals including Humans have their Soul. The seat of Conciousness aand Identity. The Center of their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
..and I mentioned that the difference betweem Humans and Animals is that Humans have their Spirits (which of course is another point of discuss..nto for now)

an eternal spirit...eternal has no beginning and no end..bt ur soul has a beginning? And ur god who is also eternal has no beginning?..see ur logic..
Consciousness evolves.Take yourself , for example,
when did you become conscious?
While in the womb or after you were born? At
exactly what stage in your biological growth did you become conscious and self aware?
Would you say that your level of consciousness at
6months, 1 yr, 5 yrs , 8 yrs and now through
adulthood have remained the same, or has evolved
along with you biological development,
environment, culture, education and social exposures ?
Everything evolves, my friend.
Change ( evolution) is the only CONSTANT in the
universe..

The fact that NDEs can be simulated does not prove any point unless of course the definition of DEATH can be altered from the scientific definition. How is NDE simulated?..by causing a clinical death of an individual chemically or physically and attempting to revive the person before an irriversible dammage is done to the body tissues (including the brain). Surely, if a person can be medicall brought back to life from an accident scene, it should not be impossible to clinically cause a "medically controlled effect" of accident which can result in a persons death.

m nt talking bout clinical deaths...m talking bout eletrical simulations...many others..hallucinogenic induced...etc. click here to see the kinda ones i mean..
If it was dualistic..sm certain simulations cannot apply to it...think deep

From the beginning, i have made it clear that Animals have their Souls: Software that Runs evry living Being.

My argument have been, if the soul is a Software, then there must be a programmer! Simple!!

the issue is that a man like soul is nt by design...
Despite our current technology's ability to simulate
autonomy, "Working in a fully automated mode,
they [the computers] cannot exhibit creativity,
emotions, or free will. A computer, like a washing machine, is a slave operated by its components.
AI's can learn nd maximize their chances bt cant have ur claimed freewill nd cannot be moral in the human like sense..

The thing is..
It makes more sense that a self evolved organism
would be self aware than a designed organism.



Let's make it easier by looking at a simple cell. A cell
is conscious as a result of pH, salinty, etc of the environment in contrast to it's internal
environment. eg Ameoba would not enter a
solution that is too salty. Why the receptors at the
pseudopodium would detect it and send a signal to
the nucleus. So it desist from that solution.
The error u made is that u first considered a highly complex organism we are yet to fully understand
rather than taking a simpler organism we can
actually study properly

This your last statements above seems to be the most intellectually matured of all your post on this topic. I appaud this!

However, the Soul IS NOT just merely a conscious substance it is your IDENTITY. The One you call I! or ME! the One whoc decides or chooses, the One who likes or hate, the One who works to control your Body through Your Brain (Your brain is an interface between your Soul and your Body). Except for Reflexes and Autonomous movements, the soul is the action man.

Movement of the Body usually comes from a choice (WILL), you can choose not to reply this post if you Will, Your Soul gives the Instructions and Your brain makes your Body to Comply.

dnt rush sir....read it well...
I asked for smtin like an extension
u see...that extension is needed for an system to perform some base programs...(such as locomotion)
to grab wah i mean ...check up ''hard problem of mind'' or problem of dualistic mind'' ..u'd understand the extension i mean and how it is crucial in computer science..

I have. You were the one who got me wrong.

no u havent...ure nt presentin facts...

If the Soul is the Center of oour WILL, INTELLECT and EMOTION then this OPERATING system has its own Memory. However for the Body (Brain) must have a backup memory of the same information and CONCLUSIONS of the SOUL.

That is the reason why a person who experiences an NDE does NOT see it as a DREAM but as REALITY!

k..lemme make u understand sometin..
[b]But the NDEs are not imaginations rather are
experiences had without the brain but recollected with the brain..how so?
"If NDEs are independent of the brain, how then
can the brain recall such experience when it never
had it?"
It is blatantly unlikely to recall what you never
had... So the question is "how is it that the brain is now needed to recall NDEs when the brain was
never needed to experience it..


Immaterial realm that somehow is recalled by the
'material brain' that never experienced it?
there in lies the problem.. You sighted NDE to use as
basis to infer consciousness does not need a brain
but certainly that leaves a ton of problems begging.
Cus if this consciousness doesn't need the brain then there is no way the material brain can ever
playback the experiences of this independent
consciousness that have gone past it's material
frequency.
But if the 'brain' can do this then it still implies this
consciousness also is dependent and related to the material brain?
U need to look up how memory is built in the brain on wiki..
If they had been brain dead they would have been
organ donors then buried, not interviewed. They
were unconscious for mostly short periods of time,..time distortion is an obvious property of NDEs..i hope u know?[/b]

Can a Software Exist if a computer Dies? Of course!
(Is a software the Logical Instructions written is a CD, DVD, FlashDrive etc or the Logical Instructions stored in a computers CPU?)
Can a Computer write to the Same Memory device that hosts its OS? Of course!

LOL

can a software run on its own without a hardware?....
Can a program be independent of hardware?...see ehn
“If you take a couple of drinks, or smoke some pot, YOU become intoxicated. It is easy to understand how the chemicals in alcohol and cannabis can affect the ticking of your nerve cells. But how can physical reactions in your brain cause the psychological or spiritual YOU to get high? If your mind controls your body how does it do so? When you drive a car, you sit in the driver's seat, you push on the pedals with your feet, and you turn the wheel with your hands. If you consider your body to be a biological machine "driven" by your mind, where does the driver "sit"? And how does your purely spiritual or psychological "mind" pull the biological strings that make your neurones fire and your muscles move?”..(all without an extension)..how?

It is called near death because of no better vocabulary to describe this person who is known to have died but here he is still eating Rice and Beans.

LOL

..and how come that in ALL NDE cases, the Subjects were AWARE that they had DIED.
Have you every had a dream where you knew that you had died and your Ghost was interacting with others?

even thos who were experimented on felt the same way..
I dnt see ur claim here...
Have u heard of lucid dreams?

Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it has what is called "Artificial Intelligence"?
Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it becomes self aware?

. Can a machine have a mind, consciousness and mental states in exactly the same sense that human beings do? Can a machine be sentient, and thus deserve certain rights? Can a machine intentionally cause harm? nd feel satisfied?

I thank my God you agree there is a possibility that a Designer created you. I am happy for that.
Is the THE BIBLE really the most potent weapon of atheism?

yes the bible is...in reference to the christian god and his logics..

I am a Christian. I believe in the God of Abraham

have u heard of the sumerians? Akkadians? Many other gods which the exodus story suspiciously resembles...which were all written before the time of moses

. I believe there is Life after Death. I believe there is judgement after this life. I believe that there is a purpose for life and exixtence. I believe that the world is a qualifying exam for Gods purpose.

i believe that when u die..u die...u cease to be existent...like how u were before u were born..
Man wants to be super human thats why we created the afterlife...
Our survival instincts made us to try to create our continued existence after death(all in our heads)..bt refuse to share it with fellow creatures eg apes dogs etc...
By claiming they dont have souls...lol

However, If i had come to you with some Theological Grammer, you will not listen for your MIND is made up...but I can reach you through LOGICS, PHYLLOSOPHY and SCIENCE. For either way you look, you will find God.

ur logic is flawed...this is an example of ur logic philosophy nd religion...
Philosophy, science and religion are triplets of
human enquiry and audacious nature. Let me represent the three methods with the
analogy of the black cat..
- Natural questions is like a black cat.
..Philosophy is like being in a dark room looking for
a black cat imagining where it might be.[it could be
anywhere or not even there] … Science is like being in a dark room looking for a
black cat using a torch light [empiricism and
mathematics and logic]
… religion (theology) is like being in a dark room
looking for a black cat and shouting "i found it!!!"
but yet can't provide it....

After finding God, the next question will be determining who the true God is for just as Money, several counterfeits are accessibe.

have u ever considered going to allah's hell?
Or meeting the hindu(abi na buddhists) god of death?
Or greek hades underworld?
..one question u cant answer is why u disprove other religions..
P.s..been busy tho