So the devil regularly visits God in heaven as we can see in the book of Jobs same with demons as we can see in many cases where evil spirits leave God to go and carry out one assignment or the other.
This kind of makes me wonder.
So the devil sees all the good things in heaven, yet he has refused to repent and prefers to be in hell? Same with the demon?
No even one has the common sense to desire heaven?
Yet christians that have no clue about heaven are longing to be in heaven.

Interesting perspective.

If you are expecting reasonable comments from our Christian brothers, I will advice you not to hold your breath

HardMirror:
So the devil regularly visits God in heaven as we can see in the book of Jobs same with demons as we can see in many cases where evil spirits leave God to go and carry out one assignment or the other.
This kind of makes me wonder.
So the devil sees all the good things in heaven, yet he has refused to repent and prefers to be in hell? Same with the demon?
No even one has the common sense to desire heaven?
Yet christians that have no clue about heaven are longing to be in heaven.

This only gets poorer, evidently the devourer is eating up whatever is left of the commonsense you obtained in Sunday school, or you simply had little knowledge in Sunday school but was only after toys like miracles.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The devil and his cohorts have already been sentenced, even before the creation of Adam. He has no place of repentance again. Same thing happens after man dies, after death, no more repentance but judgement. This is kindergaten stuff, you should be ashamed of your Sunday school. Again.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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This only gets poorer, evidently the devourer is eating up whatever is left of the commonsense you obtained in Sunday school, or you simply had little knowledge in Sunday school but was only after toys like miracles.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The devil and his cohorts have already been sentenced, even before the creation of Adam. He has no place of repentance again. Same thing happens after man dies, after death, no more repentance but judgement. This is kindergaten stuff, you should be ashamed of your Sunday school. Again.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.

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This only gets poorer, evidently the devourer is eating up whatever is left of the commonsense you obtained in Sunday school, or you simply had little knowledge in Sunday school but was only after toys like miracles.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The devil and his cohorts have already been sentenced, even before the creation of Adam. He has no place of repentance again. Same thing happens after man dies, after death, no more repentance but judgement. This is kindergaten stuff, you should be ashamed of your Sunday school. Again.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

@ bolded

Why can't you guys simply face the discussion without attempting to guilt someone out of asking them?

HardMirror:

Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.

Pls show me where it says that the devil visited God in heaven to talk about Job or you bury your head in SHAME.
All the people that spoke with God in the bible- Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus etc. did they visit him in heaven before doing that? The voice of God that spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptized did the people that heard it go to heaven before they heard it? The prayers we say here on earth to God and the answers we receive from him do we go to haven to receive it?
Keep messing yourself up while thinking you are making mockery of the scripture.

honourhim:


Pls show me where it says that the devil visited God in heaven to talk about Job or you bury your head in SHAME.
All the people that spoke with God in the bible- Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus etc. did they visit him in heaven before doing that? The voice of God that spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptized did the people that heard it go to heaven before they heard it? The prayers we say here on earth to God and the answers we receive from him do we go to haven to receive it?
Keep messing yourself up while thinking you are making mockery of the scripture.

Job 1:6 or did they hold the meeting in your bedroom?

honourhim:


Pls show me where it says that the devil visited God in heaven to talk about Job or you bury your head in SHAME.
All the people that spoke with God in the bible- Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus etc. did they visit him in heaven before doing that? The voice of God that spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptized did the people that heard it go to heaven before they heard it? The prayers we say here on earth to God and the answers we receive from him do we go to haven to receive it?
Keep messing yourself up while thinking you are making mockery of the scripture.

job 1
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

hopefuLandlord:


@ bolded

Why can't you guys simply face the discussion without attempting to guilt someone out of asking them?

Ask yourself that, hypocrite. Why not face the discussion too?

HardMirror:

Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.

He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not. Beat it.

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He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not. Beat it.

Lol see excuse. For a devil that could revolt against, yet he has calmly agreed to give up heaven for eternal torment. That does not sound like satan to me. The stories don't make sense cos they are nothing but stories. If heaven was so fantastic, the devil will not hesitate to try and take over again or even beg once a while for a second chance

HardMirror:
[b]So the devil regularly visits God in heaven as we can see in the book of Jobs [/b]same with demons as we can see in many cases where evil spirits leave God to go and carry out one assignment or the other.
This kind of makes me wonder.
So the devil sees all the good things in heaven, yet he has refused to repent and prefers to be in hell? Same with the demon?
No even one has the common sense to desire heaven?
Yet christians that have no clue about heaven are longing to be in heaven.

show us a verse in the Bible where the devil regularly visits God in Heaven?

hopefuLandlord:

job 1
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Sorry this does not show heaven. In heaven there is no day and night as we observe on earth so its not heaven abeg. No counting of days. Learn to be sincere.

Medicis:
show us a verse in the Bible where the devil regularly visits God in Heaven?

Job 1:6 shows it is a regular thing for the angels and devil to come before god. And within the book of job you see that the devil kept visiting regularly

honourhim:


Sorry this does not show heaven. In heaven there is no day and night as we observe on earth so its not heaven abeg. No counting of days. Learn to be sincere.

God was being visited, so where is the abode of god?
Earth?
Lol
You people are a confused set

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Ask yourself that, hypocrite. Why not face the discussion too?

Twisting at its best

HardMirror:

God was being visited, so where is the abode of god?
Earth?
Lol
You people are a confused set

Yet when we kneel down to pray we say we are in the presence of God. When we go to church we say we are in the presence of God.Do we go to heaven before saying that? When God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Jesus did they come visiting him in Heaven? Why are you people evil minded?

honourhim:


Yet when we kneel down to pray we say we are in the presence of God. When we go to church we say we are in the presence of God.Do we go to heaven before saying that? When God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Jesus did they come visiting him in Heaven? Why are you people evil minded?

Hehehehehe
You want to play the figurative card now. Lol
So he was visiting god figuratively in prayer abi? Lol

hopefuLandlord:


Twisting at its best

What was twisted again?

HardMirror:

Hehehehehe
You want to play the figurative card now. Lol
So he was visiting god figuratively in prayer abi? Lol

Again stop dodging my question. Did Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Jesus and others who spoke with God do that by going to heaven? You are just trying to cover your SHAME. You quoted bible and i used bible to expose your errors and shame yet you are still messing up.

HardMirror:

Lol see excuse. For a devil that could revolt against, yet he has calmly agreed to give up heaven for eternal torment. That does not sound like satan to me. The stories don't make sense cos they are nothing but stories. If heaven was so fantastic, the devil will not hesitate to try and take over again or even beg once a while for a second chance

Goal shiftings from a frustrated fellow. Your question has been answered as usual, it's okay for you to ignore as usual, or run off to create another thread for penance. You thought your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell". Now, it is that he has calmly agreed. Did he discuss with you? You try to define God to suit your definition, now it is satan's turn? Stuff does not sound like satan to you, what does, and from where do you get your picture? Get over it, satan is a loser and he knows it, when will you?

honourhim:


Again stop dodging my question. Did Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Jesus and others who spoke with God do that by going to heaven? You are just trying to cover your SHAME. You quoted bible and i used bible to expose your errors and shame yet you are still messing up.

Lol
What is this one feeling like?
Dodging your question? What is there to dodge. Job 1:6 said they sons of god gathered before god, this was not in figurative terms at all. I am well familiar with christian desperation that makes you guys twist literal literature to suit what ever fancies you. And when it favours you again you would still say the sons of God gathered in heaven before God.

Ok ok let me compromise, let us assume satan was not actually before God but was there by means of prayers (as ur silly argument says), was satan not living in heaven all his life before he revolted? Does he not know how sweet heaven is? Yet he has no regrets about being condemned to hell. How about that?

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Goal shiftings from a frustrated fellow. Your question has been answered as usual, it's okay for you to ignore as usual, or run off to create another thread for penance. You thought your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell". Now, it is that he has calmly agreed. Did he discuss with you? You try to define God to suit your definition, now it is satan's turn? Stuff does not sound like satan to you, what does, and from where do you get your picture? Get over it, satan is a loser and he knows it, when will you?

Where is the answer

honourhim:


Yet when we kneel down to pray we say we are in the presence of God. When we go to church we say we are in the presence of God.Do we go to heaven before saying that? When God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Jesus did they come visiting him in Heaven? Why are you people evil minded?

This is information from a bible study website

Question: "Does Satan still have access to Heaven? Why does God allow Satan to enter Heaven, as recorded in the Bible?"

Answer: Satan was originally one of God's holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven (Luke 10:18). That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan's kingdom was vanquished at the cross (John 12:31–32). Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3) and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity (Revelation 20:10).

Until his final judgment, Satan is "the prince of this world" (John 14:30), but it seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms. In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God. There is a similar situation in 2 Chronicles 18:18–21 involving a "lying spirit."

Since God is holy and absolutely without sin (Isaiah 6:3), and since He will not even look on evil (Habakkuk 1:13), how can Satan be in heaven? The answer involves God's sovereign restraint of sin. In Job 1, Satan stood before God to give an account of himself. God initiated the meeting, led the proceedings, and remained in absolute control (verse 7). The result was that Satan's power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified.

Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God's presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God's throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being, "quarantined," as it were, by God's regulatory power. And, 4) Satan's access is only granted prior to the final judgment. After the judgment, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1), wipes away all tears from our eyes (verse 4), reveals the New Jerusalem (verse 10), and promises the complete absence of sin (verse 27).

When we say, "God cannot allow sin into heaven," we simply mean that God cannot allow human beings who are still in their sin to live in His presence. But it is possible for God to command a sinful being to stand (temporarily) in His presence in order to commission him (Isaiah 6), to exact an account from him (Job 1-2), or to judge him (Revelation 20:11–15) without compromising His holiness.

God's holiness will eventually consume all sin. Until that day, His holiness regulates sin, and that means that Satan, on certain occasions, is briefly summoned before his Creator to give an account of his actions.












Who should I believe? You or those who believe satan visits heaven literally?

HardMirror:

Where is the answer

Get smart.
If the question is that your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell", the answer is that He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not.

HardMirror:

Lol
What is this one feeling like?
Dodging your question? What is there to dodge. Job 1:6 said they sons of god gathered before god, this was not in figurative terms at all. I am well familiar with christian desperation that makes you guys twist literal literature to suit what ever fancies you. And when it favours you again you would still say the sons of God gathered in heaven before God.

You are still blabbing here. Obviously you have no point.

HardMirror:


Ok ok let me compromise, let us assume satan was not actually before God but was there by means of prayers (as ur silly argument says), was satan not living in heaven all his life before he revolted? Does he not know how sweet heaven is? Yet he has no regrets about being condemned to hell. How about that?

Has satan been cast into hell? NO. Were you not the one who quoted where he told God that he is moving from one end of the earth to the other? His time of punishment is clearly stated in the bible but you are consumed by your foolishness to mock us. For now he is roaming everywhere leading men to evil and causing havoc on people as he did to Job. He is having his fun for now just like you until when the time of his everlasting torment will come. It is that torment that we are telling you to come to Jesus and be free from.

honourhim:


Sorry this does not show heaven. In heaven there is no day and night as we observe on earth so its not heaven abeg. No counting of days. Learn to be sincere.

My God.

HardMirror:

This is information from a bible study website

Question: "Does Satan still have access to Heaven? Why does God allow Satan to enter Heaven, as recorded in the Bible?"

Answer: Satan was originally one of God's holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven (Luke 10:18). That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan's kingdom was vanquished at the cross (John 12:31–32). Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3) and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity (Revelation 20:10).

Until his final judgment, Satan is "the prince of this world" (John 14:30), but it seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms. In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God. There is a similar situation in 2 Chronicles 18:18–21 involving a "lying spirit."

Since God is holy and absolutely without sin (Isaiah 6:3), and since He will not even look on evil (Habakkuk 1:13), how can Satan be in heaven? The answer involves God's sovereign restraint of sin. In Job 1, Satan stood before God to give an account of himself. God initiated the meeting, led the proceedings, and remained in absolute control (verse 7). The result was that Satan's power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified.

Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God's presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God's throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being, "quarantined," as it were, by God's regulatory power. And, 4) Satan's access is only granted prior to the final judgment. After the judgment, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1), wipes away all tears from our eyes (verse 4), reveals the New Jerusalem (verse 10), and promises the complete absence of sin (verse 27).

When we say, "God cannot allow sin into heaven," we simply mean that God cannot allow human beings who are still in their sin to live in His presence. But it is possible for God to command a sinful being to stand (temporarily) in His presence in order to commission him (Isaiah 6), to exact an account from him (Job 1-2), or to judge him (Revelation 20:11–15) without compromising His holiness.

God's holiness will eventually consume all sin. Until that day, His holiness regulates sin, and that means that Satan, on certain occasions, is briefly summoned before his Creator to give an account of his actions.












Who should I believe? You or those who believe satan visits heaven literally?

Which bible study? Which heaven?

Why would God cast satan out of his abode an summon him back there again? So when God cast Adam and Eve out from the garden of Eden did he summon them back there again? His interaction with them was outside Eden.why should God's interaction with any being be restricted to heaven? i.e. If it doesnt take place in heaven God cannot interact again? God's presence cannot be restricted to heaven Abeg park one side.

All these Christians aren't giving answers to the questions.

Just beating around the bush.

UncleSnr:
All these Christians aren't giving answers to the questions.

Just beating around the bush.

that's what made me first realize the folly of the religion. it never gives any answer

HardMirror:

Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.

JUST NEGODU!!!!
You see how u dey open your behind? No be u tok say u been be pastor? Now u no even get any idea of Satan's estate. Imaooo. I know say, e no go tay, wind go blow we go see your behind.