visijo:
moses didn't see God.. That version of bible is not the real bible. Check king James version, that is the correct bible for a true christian... Moses could have been the only man to see God, but he didn't see God.. So dont be misguided by those new world order bibles..

Drefan:
The bible is self contradictory. Many places don't add up.

kobosmalls:

How can a book tell you that people saw someone and then tell you that you can't and that no one has ever seen that person and you a modern man is now trying to prove that there is no falsehood there.?

I wanted you Christians to show the level of indoctrination you were subjected to and you did just that.

obongkaks:


The Bible is far from being self contradictory.. Mention ur perceived gray areas and we shall clarify them

promise10:

@stephenmorris Stop deluding yourself, thinking that without this persons, the word of God cannot be defended. Wake up please!

@OP, NO MAN HAD EVER SEEN GOD. Even John 1:18 confirms this to us as well. So it's not a coincidence in timothy, but A FACT.

John 1:18;"18 No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

So, even moses NEVER, NEVER, NEVER saw God.

What he saw was the GLORY OF GOD through angels.

As a matter of fact, moses never saw God in the burning bush what he saw was an ANGEL, by the authority of God.

Acts 7:35;"35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand OF THE ANGEL WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BURNING BUSH."

As a matter of fact, God never ordained the law BY HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, but it was ordained by angels by God's authority.

Gal 3:19;" Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and IT(law) WAS ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator(moses under law)"


As a matter of fact, God NEVER SPOKE the law BY HIS OWN MOUTH, but through angels.

Heb 2:2; "For if the word(law) SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;"

Note: it is only under the law one receives the punishment one deserves.

AS a matter of fact, God NEVER deposited the law SINGLE-HANDEDLY BY HIMSELF. It was deposited through angels.

Acts 7:52-53;"52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS and have not kept it."

So, the law was given all through angels BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD.

Now, in the old testament, you may see something like "And the lord appeared..., and the lord spoke..." And many more, it doesn't mean that God HIMSELF PHYSICALLY APPEARED, but he appeared THROUGH A MEDIUM, most times, through angels.

winner01:
9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself


Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.


2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.

kobosmalls:

Are you for or against?
Honestly I have no intentions of arguing this with anyone.
Its as stupid as a kid telling you that he's a helicopter and ur response is "hey good for you kid".
Christians are similar to those kids.
Imagine an adult believing that a sort of food called manna once fell from heaven ad that a man turned water into wine and was equally born without sex.
Where do I even begin .
Religion is just plain stupidity.

kobosmalls:

Those verses you quoted were narratives about his encounter with only moses after the 72 elders Aaron and moses ate and drank together with god.
My question lies with this one not that one you mentioned.
Put into account that god ate and drank with them.
It is impossible to eat and drink with a person without seeing him or her.
So, not only moses but along with the 72 elders were witnesses to this event.
Consider the vivid explanation they gave about what they saw.

ifenes:


This bold is the part that showed Christians don't know what they read. You cannot eat and drink with a faceless person.

And if the Christians god eats and drink,he will obviously shiit and piss. Now we are getting somewhere with an identity for this christian god.

Obviously the next question will be what the christian god looked like?

Zoharariel:


Tanx for your concise post but what can we do than to keep educating them.


* 2109 B.C. Enlil ordered Moses up Mt. Sinai, landed his rocket (space ship) on the mount and, with an amplifier, told, the Israelites to reject all other Nibiran gods, spend every seventh day worshiping him, subjugate women and kids, refrain from murder, adultery, theft and false witness.

They must not, he demanded, crave others’ homes, wives, slaves and property. He gave Moses stone tablets he’d inscribed with his commandments and showed him how to build a temple and an Ark of the Covenant for the tablets.

Above the tablet drawer in the Ark, Moses must build a Talk-To-Enlil communicator (sporting two gold cherubs). Through the Ark, they could message Enlil, pose their question, and get his “Yes” or “No” answers.

* 2024 B.C. Enlil revealed he knew where Enki’d hidden Alalu’s nukes. With Anu’s approval, Ninurta (Enlil's 1st son) nuked Sinai; Nergal nuked Sodom, Gomorra, and made the Dead Sea dead.

Sumerian refugees fled throughout the Mediterranean and along the Volga to Geogia, Sumara, Finland and along the Danube to Dacia, Hungary as well as to India and the Far East.

* 2023 B.C. Nuclear fallout blew over and killed all Sumer, but not Bablylon. Marduk, now supreme, declared Babylon Sumer’s capital.

* 2016, B.C. For forty days, with a crystal-tipped electrum stylus, Endubscar, Master Scribe of Eridu, Sumer, wrote on a lapis lazuli tablet what his boss, Enki–a seven-foot tall man who served as Chief Scientist for a goldmining expedition to Earth from the planet Nibiru–dictated.

Enki stayed out of Endubscar’s sight. Endubscar’s narrative, compiled from data Zecharia Sitchin retrieved from the Eridu Genesis, the Atra Hasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh to create, The Lost Book of Enki, the main source for Free Humanity.

* 331 B.C. Alexander The Great reached Babylon in and rushed to the ziggurat temple to grasp the hands of Marduk as conquerors before him had done. But the great god was dead. Alexander saw Marduk’s body preserved in oils in his ziggurat.

gentlegenius:

The portion above only say "They ate and drank". It didn't say they ate and drank with God. Pls don't add anything to the scriptures.

Zoharariel:


Tanx for your concise post but what can we do than to keep educating them.


* 2109 B.C. Enlil ordered Moses up Mt. Sinai, landed his rocket (space ship) on the mount and, with an amplifier, told, the Israelites to reject all other Nibiran gods, spend every seventh day worshiping him, subjugate women and kids, refrain from murder, adultery, theft and false witness.

They must not, he demanded, crave others’ homes, wives, slaves and property. He gave Moses stone tablets he’d inscribed with his commandments and showed him how to build a temple and an Ark of the Covenant for the tablets.

Above the tablet drawer in the Ark, Moses must build a Talk-To-Enlil communicator (sporting two gold cherubs). Through the Ark, they could message Enlil, pose their question, and get his “Yes” or “No” answers.

* 2024 B.C. Enlil revealed he knew where Enki’d hidden Alalu’s nukes. With Anu’s approval, Ninurta (Enlil's 1st son) nuked Sinai; Nergal nuked Sodom, Gomorra, and made the Dead Sea dead.

Sumerian refugees fled throughout the Mediterranean and along the Volga to Geogia, Sumara, Finland and along the Danube to Dacia, Hungary as well as to India and the Far East.

* 2023 B.C. Nuclear fallout blew over and killed all Sumer, but not Bablylon. Marduk, now supreme, declared Babylon Sumer’s capital.

* 2016, B.C. For forty days, with a crystal-tipped electrum stylus, Endubscar, Master Scribe of Eridu, Sumer, wrote on a lapis lazuli tablet what his boss, Enki–a seven-foot tall man who served as Chief Scientist for a goldmining expedition to Earth from the planet Nibiru–dictated.

Enki stayed out of Endubscar’s sight. Endubscar’s narrative, compiled from data Zecharia Sitchin retrieved from the Eridu Genesis, the Atra Hasis and the Epic of Gilgamesh to create, The Lost Book of Enki, the main source for Free Humanity.

* 331 B.C. Alexander The Great reached Babylon in and rushed to the ziggurat temple to grasp the hands of Marduk as conquerors before him had done. But the great god was dead. Alexander saw Marduk’s body preserved in oils in his ziggurat.

9jatatafo:
OP, let it be made known to you that NO MAN have seen God. Don't mislead people.

Drefan:
The bible is self contradictory. Many places don't add up.

ifenes:


So who did they offer burnt/roasted animals/offering to? A spirit god eating roasted animals? Can you explain that?

Johnpaul1099:
Calvary greeting to everyone. Am writing this report in respect to so many cases that has been springing up since a new provincial pastor was brought to RCCG Lagos province 31 Named Pastor Olukanmi. Since the pastor was transferred to the province, He has been the no 1 Headache of the church, Several report has been made to his superiors but no action has so far been taken..List of some things that he has done
1. he has been cancelling every program brought by various units of the church. the only program that takes place in the church are programs drawn by him and him alone.
2. He publicly insult His pastors, workers and members of the church and chase then away from the premises of the head quarter where he worships...
3. The youth sunday order given by daddy G.O was cancelled by him for no reason so the youth in the church are not functioning again.
4. he doesn't allow anyone who is not a worker in redeem participate in anything.
5. He gives orders which are evil of a pastor
(i) There was a case of him telling the redeemed volunteers to go into the church and seize all the phones of members that are charging as a result of the poor power supply of the country, and this order was given without public annoucement, this order from Pastor Olukanmi therefore led to a fight withing the church premises amongst members and the redeemed volunteers whose phones were taken away by the redeemed volunteers. The fight lasted for hours and Pastor Olukanmi felt less concerned about the issue and went away.
(ii)This is a pastor who tasked his workers and pastors by given them envelope for them to give him a birthday present.
(iii)He has tied the hands of the youth in the church by removing anything that has to do with the youth from the church.
This Is only to mention but a few of what he has been doing, this report came up as a result of how a mighty provincial Headquarters (LP 31) has started crumbling and reducing all as a result of Pastor Olukanmi.
If this issue is not handled properly by Heads of the Redeemed Christian church of God, am sorry the Pastor might help in tarnishing the image of RCCG as a whole which the pastor has already done in the Locality of the Province.
We Are Tired!!!!!!!!!
Daddy G.O please do something Deliver and Help our province , so we can experience growth.

Written by Abuh Haruna

9jatatafo:


It is the aroma of the burnt/roasted animal offerings that was pleasing to GOD. GOD is a spirit. No where in the Bible says GOD ate the animals that were burnt/roasted.

kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

ifenes:


So what happened to the meat? Why does the bible god need to smell dead animal? I bet he smelled the meal Abraham cooked for him right?

promise10:

@stephenmorris Stop deluding yourself, thinking that without this persons, the word of God cannot be defended. Wake up please!

@OP, NO MAN HAD EVER SEEN GOD. Even John 1:18 confirms this to us as well. So it's not a coincidence in timothy, but A FACT.

John 1:18;"18 No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

So, even moses NEVER, NEVER, NEVER saw God.

What he saw was the GLORY OF GOD through angels.

As a matter of fact, moses never saw God in the burning bush what he saw was an ANGEL, by the authority of God.

Acts 7:35;"35 This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand OF THE ANGEL WHICH APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BURNING BUSH."

As a matter of fact, God never ordained the law BY HIMSELF PHYSICALLY, but it was ordained by angels by God's authority.

Gal 3:19;" Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and IT(law) WAS ORDAINED BY ANGELS in the hand of a mediator(moses under law)"


As a matter of fact, God NEVER SPOKE the law BY HIS OWN MOUTH, but through angels.

Heb 2:2; "For if the word(law) SPOKEN BY ANGELS was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;"

Note: it is only under the law one receives the punishment one deserves.

AS a matter of fact, God NEVER deposited the law SINGLE-HANDEDLY BY HIMSELF. It was deposited through angels.

Acts 7:52-53;"52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have RECEIVED THE LAW BY THE DISPOSITION OF ANGELS and have not kept it."

So, the law was given all through angels BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD.

Now, in the old testament, you may see something like "And the lord appeared..., and the lord spoke..." And many more, it doesn't mean that God HIMSELF PHYSICALLY APPEARED, but he appeared THROUGH A MEDIUM, most times, through angels.

Drefan:

Alright. First is, doesn't the bible teach forgiveness and shuns against favouritism? If so, why did Elijah command beasts to eat up little kids who called him a bald headed man instead of him getting hold of the rod and striking them with it as a measure of correction? And why then did God not also simply eliminate aaron and his wife for squaring up against moses? I mean what's the essence of telling christians to practise the habit of forgiveness, if a prophet of God couldn't do same?

kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.

kobosmalls:
Exodus 24:9-11New International Version (NIV)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.

Compare.....
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
New International Version
who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

God being all invisible and a spirit, which one do we consider right here?
Please consider and discuss the issue that this meme raises.