Wow, so sumbody is sugesting we buy a right winger dat gets 2 d by-line b4 crossing upon say we get AV25?

Diademk07:


I was hoping he would display his magic on the likes of Depay, Herrera, Morgan et al whom were all 'van gaaled'.

The truth of the matter is it was the players who made us look boring and that was my main criticism of Van gaal of his failure to bring in the necessary signing in the midfield instead of depending on a crock like Bastian.

What is always annoying is when peeps say Van gaal used his philosophy to 'van gaal' one player or the other when the players were simply not good enough.

For example, when Rashford displaced Rooney in the striker role, the team looked great for a while. And when Carrick looked rested, inform and reinvigorated, the team looked fantastic.
It was the player that caused the boring play and not any tactic.

Van Gaal was the main problem of the club; from the introduction of the useless archaic philosophy,to the recruitment of players he couldn't figure how to use!!!

Yeah, some of our players weren't top class I agree,then trying to reconfigure them into that terrible module of operation even backfired.(their output was abysmal).

For a manager's style of play to depend on the tiniest sample of players for an atom of effectiveness,it shows it is not just gonna work!!!

For what it's worth, LVG deserves no fucking credit bar the FA Cup... He is a waste man!!!!

And just so you know,it's too early to take the jury ride on Mou. (He hasn't even got a fraction of games that oga Louis had installing the feel-o-suffering program on the team).

Lol ...I no know wetin be "van gaaled",buh if it is a process that occurred with time then "unvangaaling"will take time too!!!

Be cheerful!!

elrony:


Van Gaal was the main problem of the club; from the introduction of the useless archaic philosophy,to the recruitment of players he couldn't figure how to use!!!

Yeah, some of our players weren't top class I agree,then trying to reconfigure them into that terrible module of operation even backfired.(their output was abysmal).

For a manager's style of play to depend on the tiniest sample of players for an atom of effectiveness,it shows it is not just gonna work!!!

For what it's worth, LVG deserves no fucking credit bar the FA Cup... He is a waste man!!!!

And just so you know,it's too early to take the jury ride on Mou. (He hasn't even got a fraction of games that oga Louis had installing the feel-o-suffering program on the team).

Lol ...I no know wetin be "van gaaled",buh if it is a process that occurred with time then "unvangaaling"will take time too!!!

Be cheerful!!

Name those classy players that were "van galed' and has looked good so far under Mourinho?

eph12:

The likes of Rashford and Lingard came through last season because the likes of Depay were disappointing and LVG had no choice but to turn to the bench. A Mourinho or any other coach would have done same thing too

What?

Lingard that was in our squad in Van Gaal 1st season not until his injury while he was on pitch.

And don't make laugh at Mourinho would have brought in Rashford. You mean the same man that brought in Adebayor on loan to Madrid when he was short of strikers?

BTW, Van gaal has always been a coach who was looking to blood in youth. The likes of Micheal keane, Blackett, Reece were thrust into the first team squad until they all looked inept.

Do nt argue with an idiot. He will drag u down 2 his level nd beat u wit experience....
#advicenobcurse

Diademk07:


Name those classy players that were "van galed' and has looked good so far under Mourinho?

Did you read what I wrote at all... ehn?

Phil Neville on Pogba: He doesn't look like he's running fast. But he'll always get there first.

Because one goat doesn't know that Bayern has Alaba and Ribery/Coman on the same wing who are capable of going down the touchline to put in crosses.

Diademk07:


Well you could say I'm new here and I'm quite reasonable about Van gaal unlike eediots who kept screaming 'players were van galed' yet same set of players has looked rubbish under Mourinho so far.

BTW, you have to look into the mirror first. At least I didn't pray for Manutd to lose unlike yourself.

You mean everyone else here is old and and unreasonable except you?
That's quite a stupid thing to say.

elrony:


Did you read what I wrote at all... ehn?

The reality is, the style prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players.

Look for example, the Bournemouth match where they dominated us in the middle while our team looked shite. Fortunately, their defence was rubbish as well as their attack and we had Ibra magic. A better team would have spanked us so well.

With Pogba in the last game, we looked better going forward however we were quite open to the opposition who created some good chances for themselves.

I will keep saying that Van Gaal only needed the midfield sorted out and a good winger.

Diademk07:


Well you could say I'm new here and I'm quite reasonable about Van gaal unlike eediots who kept screaming 'players were van galed' yet same set of players has looked rubbish under Mourinho so far.

BTW, you have to look into the mirror first. At least I didn't pray for Manutd to lose unlike yourself.

Van Gaal was the architect of his own downfall. For about 3 seasons it was obvious that we needed solid midfielders that could make the middle of the park work and not always look to the wing. He failed in solving this problem and that is his fault. Money wasn't his problem I hope you agree on this?

Diademk07:


What?

Lingard that was in our squad in Van Gaal 1st season not until his injury while he was on pitch.

And don't make laugh at Mourinho would have brought in Rashford. You mean the same man that brought in Adebayor on loan to Madrid when he was short of strikers?

BTW, Van gaal has always been a coach who was looking to blood in youth. The likes of Micheal keane, Blackett, Reece were thrust into the first team squad until they all looked inept.

Which Lingard was in our first team in LVG's first season? How many games did he play during that season?

Lana1:
Phil Neville on Pogba: He doesn't look like he's running fast. But he'll always get there first.

Lol..just the way I see Bolt. ..

eph12:

Van Gaal was the architect of his own downfall. For about 3 seasons it was obvious that we needed solid midfielders that could make the middle of the park work and not always look to the wing. He failed in solving this problem and that is his fault. Money wasn't his problem I hope you agree on this?

I never said Van gaal has no blame. In fact, I criticised his choice of bringing in a crock in Bastian when we need fit quality midfielder.

His downfall was his failure to bring in quality players into the team however when people scream certain players were van gaaled, that gets on my nerves.

tess1:


Which Lingard was in our first team in LVG's first season? How many games did he play during that season?

Lingard got injured though. However, the likes of Blackett, Reece were giving playing time but they weren't good enough.

Diademk07:


What?

Lingard that was in our squad in Van Gaal 1st season not until his injury while he was on pitch.

And don't make laugh at Mourinho would have brought in Rashford. You mean the same man that brought in Adebayor on loan to Madrid when he was short of strikers?

BTW, Van gaal has always been a coach who was looking to blood in youth. The likes of Micheal keane, Blackett, Reece were thrust into the first team squad until they all looked inept.

Rashford was given one opportunity and he took it. Everybody gets a chance but if you don't take it your fault. You remember Varane? Good

The annoying part about the likes of Wenger and LVG is that they always have bucket loads of excuses.

After spending that much and LVG was still coming up with craps and you expect him to be defended? Those players you say were useless under LVG where they forced on him? You implying he had no choice over who or what he wants?

LVG has no one but himself to blame

GBR1:

You mean everyone else here is old and and unreasonable except you?
That's quite a stupid thing to say.

Not everyone scream 'van gaaled'. Those people knows themselves. Especially, you pretender.

And stop asking me foolish question. You wanting Manutd to fail last season is worst than my finding fault in Mourinho attitude.

Diademk07:


The reality is, the style to prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish player.

Look for example, the Bournemouth match where they dominated us in the middle while our team looked shite. Fortunately, their defence was rubbish as well as their attack and we had Ibra magic. A better team would have spanked us so well.

With Pogba in the last game, we looked better going forward however we were quite open to the opposition who created some good chances for themselves.

I will keep saying that [b]Van Gaal [/b]only need the midfield sorted out and a good winger.

We weren't conceding because we were playing stifled crappy football with loads of possession in our own half!!.. (that's the uselessness of LVG'S philosophy ).

We dominated games under Gaal and still looked shitte,losing viable points in multiple succession!

The beauty of football is result and to an extent style of play,yet under Van Gaal both were ugly!!!

Even with your last line,everything boils down to LVG,reason he got booted out before he bankrupts the club and send Man utd into a wormhole!!!

Diademk07:


The reality is, the style prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players.

Look for example, the Bournemouth match where they dominated us in the middle while our team looked shite. Fortunately, their defence was rubbish as well as their attack and we had Ibra magic. A better team would have spanked us so well.

With Pogba in the last game, we looked better going forward however we were quite open to the opposition who created some good chances for themselves.

I will keep saying that Van Gaal only needed the midfield sorted out and a good winger.

When I heard Mourinho came in and identified the centre and attacking midfield as a key area to invest I immediately knew he knows what he is doing. Now am not saying he will succeed but those positions were glaring for all to see except LVG

eph12:

Rashford was given one opportunity and he took it. Everybody gets a chance but if you don't take it your fault. You remember Varane? Good

The annoying part about the likes of Wenger and LVG is that they always have bucket loads of excuses.

After spending that much and LVG was still coming up with craps and you expect him to be defended? Those players you say were useless under LVG where they forced on him? You implying he had no choice over who or what he wants?

LVG has no one but himself to blame

I hardly have problem with people who blamed Van Gaal bringing in average players because I myself admit he didn't do well in that area especially when he brought in a crock.

My problem is with people degrading his tactic and making it look like the tactic sucked the players' talent.

Diademk07:


Lingard got injured though. However, the likes of Blackett, Reece were giving playing time but they weren't good enough.

Why then didn't he use him after he came back from injury if he was really serious about giving him play time instead of letting him go out on loan again?

Then eph12 was right that he had no choice but to use him the last season which any coach would've done.

Diademk07:


I never said Van gaal has no blame. In fact, I criticised his choice of bringing in a crock in Bastian when we need fit quality midfielder.

His downfall was his failure to bring in quality players into the team however when people scream certain players were van gaaled, that gets on my nerves.

Well when see the potential of Hererra Depay Schederlin from their previous clubs or initial games for man United and you see the way they turned out under LVG you understand the term van gaaled though I don't expect you to understand or agree as usual.

wow, amazing... i tink sky sports needs 2 come view ds thread. we've got some amazing pundits in here...

Diademk07:


Not everyone scream 'van gaaled'. Those people knows themselves. Especially, you pretender.

And stop asking me foolish question. You wanting Manutd to fail last season is worst than my finding fault in Mourinho attitude.

I'm a pretender?

I wanted LVG NOT to make top 4 if that was gonna keep him at the club and that was the best decision for the club. A lot of United fans wished similar and there's no shame in it. I don't regret it even one bit. Making top 4 isn't success (ask Arsenal fans) so i wasn't even wishing failure for United. I know what success and failure is. You obviously don't know the difference because you aren't a fan.

No sane United fan supported LVG at that point in time. If Mourinho ends up in such state as LVG given the same, i would hope he's booted out of the club ASAP (without caring about making top 4 or not).

You're simply not a United fan. It goes beyond just supporting Mourinho or LVG.

dubylhover:


But its a general knowledge that pogba thrives in a 3 man midfield rather than 2, so having pogba playing as a pivot won't bring out his best..you need him to float around d oppositions box where he can shoot at will at least that's his strongest suit as a mf

Hope u watched d game on Friday sha. And if u did, hope it has changed ur orientation from what u typed above??

elrony:


We weren't conceding because we were playing stifled crappy football with loads of possession in our own half!!.. (that's the uselessness of LVG'S philosophy ).

We dominated games under Gaal and still looked shitte,losing viable points in multiple succession!

The beauty of football is result and to an extent style of play,yet under Van Gaal both were ugly!!!

Even with your last line,everything boils down to LVG,reason he got booted out before he bankrupts the club and send Man utd into a wormhole!!!

I don't think you got me so well.

I stated that the tactic prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players. There's no way we could look good with those rubbish players BTW.

And that was why I used the Bournemouth game as an example. We had roughly the same players that played under Van gaal in that game for example but then, we looked shite in every department whether going forward or in the middle. Fortunately, Bournemouth had a shite defence that made a lot of mistake to gift us goals.

Don't forget Bailley was our man of the match. We were quite open through the middle and still looked shite going forward as well.

Van Gaal tactic at least made us compact through the middle because he knows the players weren't good enough. That's why I would say it wasn't the tactic but the shite players because regardless of the tactic, they all looked shite going forward, especially through the middle as seen in the Bournemouth game.

elrony:


Lol..just the way I see Bolt. ..

Lo. Yh.
Considering the reservations i had about his signing, i'm so happy we signed him. He was a joy to watch on Friday.

Just imagine if we had a quality DM say Modric playing beside him. We would be destroying teams every week.

eph12:

Well when see the potential of Hererra Depay Schederlin from their previous clubs or initial games for man United and you see the way they turned out under LVG you understand the term van gaaled though I don't expect you to understand or agree as usual.

Which potential?

Didn't Babel and Dirk Kuyt look good in the Dutch league?

Schneiderlin on the other hand is a defensive box-box CM. The last time he operated as a DM, Southampton almost got relegated in the league. Nobody told them to bring in Wanyama the next season.

As for Herrera, don't let me even start on him. 1.5keypasses as a no 10 tells all the story. Can't believe I accepted one eediotic basque man (Txrt) claim on the other forum that Herrera was better than Koke. He was even calling me names for suggesting we go for Koke who had 16mil release clause at that time which was lot cheaper than Herrera.

Diademk07:


I don't think you got me so well.

I stated that the tactic prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players. There's no way we could look good with those rubbish players BTW.

And that was why I used the Bournemouth game as an example. We had roughly the same players that played under Van gaal in that game for example but then, we looked shite in every department whether going forward or in the middle. Fortunately, Bournemouth had a shite defence that made a lot of mistake to gift us goals.

Don't forget Bailley was our man of the match. We were quite open through the middle and still looked shite going forward as well.

Van Gaal tactic at least made us compact through the middle because he knows the players weren't good enough. That's why I would say it wasn't the tactic but the shite players because regardless of the tactic, they all looked shite going forward, especially through the middle as seen in the Bournemouth game.

Rubbish players? The same stupid excuse that won't die.

Why did LVG have rubbish players in his team? Who forced him to have rubbish players in his teams? Did they tie his hands in his the transfer market?

If you're provided enough funds to do a job but fail to bring in the raw materials you needed and failed at at your job due to this, how ridiculous does it sound to say you failed at my job but it's due to poor resources? It's all your fault.

Such stupid reasoning.

Diademk07:


Which potential?

Didn't Babel and Dirk Kuyt look good in the Dutch league?

Schneiderlin on the other hand is a defensive box-box CM. The last time he operated as a DM, Southampton almost got relegated in the league. Nobody told them to bring in Wanyama the next season.

As for Herrera, don't let me even start on him. 1.5keypasses as a no 10 tells all the story. Can't believe I accepted one eediotic basque man (Txrt) claim on the other forum that Herrera was better than Koke. He was even calling me names for suggesting we go for Koke who had 16mil release clause at that time which was lot cheaper than Herrera.

He had 1.6 passes which was still okay. If you say that's not good enough, what number of key passes will make a number 10 decent?

tess1:


Why then didn't he use him after he came back from injury if he was really serious about giving him play time instead of letting him go out on loan again?

Then eph12 was right that he had no choice but to use him the last season which any coach would've done.

Lingard had a lengthy injury and when he returned, he would still need to recuperate as he didn't get to integrate in the team. It would be a different case if he was already playing lot of matches before he got injured. I think he even got injured on his first game.

BTW, you should know Martial is a Youth yet was signed by Van gaal. And don't forget the likes of Blackett that was a starter until he looked out of his depth. Van gaal always blood in youth. That's one thing that can't be disputed.

Diademk07:


I don't think you got me so well.

I stated that the tactic prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players. There's no way we could look good with those rubbish players BTW.

And that was why I used the Bournemouth game as an example. We had roughly the same players that played under Van gaal in that game for example but then, we looked shite in every department whether going forward or in the middle. Fortunately, Bournemouth had a shite defence that made a lot of mistake to gift us goals.

Don't forget Bailley was our man of the match. We were quite open through the middle and still looked shite going forward as well.

Van Gaal tactic at least made us compact through the middle because he knows the players weren't good enough. That's why I would say it wasn't the tactic but the shite players because regardless of the tactic, they all looked shite going forward, especially through the middle as seen in the Bournemouth game.

We looked rubbish in every department but we beat them as against last season when they beat us with all the possession we had.

The same Bournemouth defence that you called shit defence was the same defence that we couldn't break down last season.