GBR1:

I'm a pretender?

I wanted LVG NOT to make top 4 if that was gonna keep him at the club and that was the best decision for the club. A lot of United fans wished similar and there's no shame in it. I don't regret it even one bit. Making top 4 isn't success (ask Arsenal fans) so i wasn't even wishing failure for United. I know what success and failure is. You obviously don't know the difference because you aren't a fan.

No sane United fan supported LVG at that point in time. If Mourinho ends up in such state as LVG given the same, i would hope he's booted out of the club ASAP (without caring about making top 4 or not).

You're simply not a United fan. It goes beyond just supporting Mourinho or LVG.

You wanted us to lose the FA cup yet the first jubilating like a fool over a community shield.
Abegi, shut ya stinking mouth joor.

Diademk07:


I don't think you got me so well.

I stated that the tactic prevented us from conceding a lot with all those rubbish players. There's no way we could look good with those rubbish players BTW.

And that was why I used the Bournemouth game as an example. We had roughly the same players that played under Van gaal in that game for example but then, we looked shite in every department whether going forward or in the middle. Fortunately, Bournemouth had a shite defence that made a lot of mistake to gift us goals.

Don't forget Bailley was our man of the match. We were quite open through the middle and still looked shite going forward as well.

Van Gaal tactic at least made us compact through the middle because he knows the players weren't good enough. That's why I would say it wasn't the tactic but the shite players because regardless of the tactic, they all looked shite going forward, especially through the middle as seen in the Bournemouth game.

I think the right sentence should be "made us unproductive and boring ".

We were quite opened in the middle with our GK being frequently bombarded with kill shots almost in all our matches under Van Gaal!

We can keep going on and on with this, the major fault will still be on LVG and his tactics!!! (It didn't just work).


Ps: if Mou and his tactics fail as well , he will be kicked out deservedly!!!

tess1:


We looked rubbish in every department but we beat them as against last season when they beat us with all the possession we had.

The same Bournemouth defence that you called shit defence was the same defence that we couldn't break down last season.

And what was the team on display then?

We had Blind, Mcnair, CBJ and Varela in defence. Infact, Bournemouth scored through a setpiece.

And if you actually followed the discourse, you would note Bailley as the man of the match and Ibra brilliance.

Diademk07:


Lingard had a lengthy injury and when he returned, he would still need to recuperate as he didn't get to integrate in the team. It would be a different case if he was already playing lot of matches before he got injured. I think he even got injured on his first game.

BTW, you should know Martial is a Youth yet was signed by Van gaal. And don't forget the likes of Blackett that was a starter until he looked out of his depth. Van gaal always blood in youth. That's one thing that can't be disputed.

A player that has played preseason for two years with the senior team and has gone on loan spell severally doesn't need to go on loan again because of injury if LVG was really ready to play him.

He didn't also start playing him until November last year which also shows that if he didn't have issue with Depay, he wouldn't have started using him.

elrony:


I think the right sentence should be "made us unproductive and boring ".

We were quite opened in the middle with our GK being frequently bombarded with kill shots almost in all our matches under Van Gaal!

We can keep going on and on with this, the major fault will still be on LVG and his tactics!!! (It didn't just work).


Ps: if Mou and his tactics fail as well , he will be kicked out deservedly!!!

We were hardly opened through the middle. The worst the opposition did was to disgrace Darmain and Rojo on the flanks.

Diademk07:


You wanted us to lose the FA cup yet the first jubilating like a fool over a community shield.
Abegi, shut ya stinking mouth joor.

Stop telling lies.
Show me just one post of mine as proof i wanted us to lose the cup. I don't have many posts actually.

Good thing you're now stating making top 4 and winning the FA cup as success for United. That's exactly what Arsenal fans do. You keep on proving you aren't one of us.

tess1:


A player that has played preseason for two years with the senior team and has gone on loan spell severally doesn't need to go on loan again because of injury if LVG was really ready to play him.

He didn't also start playing him until November last year which also shows that if he didn't have issue with Depay, he wouldn't have started using him.

Depay would always be the first choice or did you expect Depay to be benched without giving any look first.

Abeg, I don't have time for all these back and forth with you. hardly anyone would disagree with Van gaal tendency of blooding in youth.

How about Blcakett? What of Martial?
Abegi.

Diademk07:


We were hardly opened through the middle. The worst the opposition did was to disgrace Darmain and Rojo on the flanks.

... LVG's Signings! !!


Anyway we can now agree that LVG and his tactics didn't just work!!!!

GBR1:

Show me just one post of mine as proof i wanted us to lose the cup. I don't have many posts actually.

Good thing you're now stating making top 4 and winning the FA cup as success for United. That's exactly what Arsenal fans do. You keep on proving you aren't one of us.

Van gaal was on the verge of building a team. That's the main fact. It was almost like his time at Ajax or Alkamar where he had a disastrous second season with lot of youth teams only to blood them fully in his third season and clinch the title.

Furthermore, we have quality youth team to back him up.

I guess if Fergie had been sacked after he won the FA cup in the 90's, you wouldn't even be here, probably supporting Chelsea by now.

Diademk07:


And what was the team on display then?

We had Blind, Mcnair, CBJ and Varela in defence. Infact, Bournemouth scored through a setpiece.

And if you actually followed the discourse, you would note Bailley as the man of the match and Ibra brilliance.

Was Phil Jones not on the bench? Why didn't he start him if he was fit to be on the bench?

That still doesn't say we should lose that match cos SAF has fielded worse defence the past and we still won.

tess1:


He had 1.6 passes which was still okay. If you say that's not good enough, what number of key passes will make a number 10 decent?

Whatever! He's a rubbish player.

Can u guys leave ds argument nw plz, d lvg ship has sailed since... Mou's ship is on board nw nd its looking interesting already.

tess1:


Was Phil Jones not on the bench? Why didn't he start him if he was fit to be on the bench?

That still doesn't say we should lose that match cos SAF has fielded worse defence the past and we still won.

If Jones was fit to play plenty of minutes, he would have played. In fact, Van Gaal loves Jones.

Tell us a defence that looked like that under Fergie.

Diademk07:


Van gaal was on the verge of building a team. That's the main fact. It was almost like his time at Ajax or Alkamar where he had a disastrous second season with lot of youth teams only to blood them fully in his third season and clinch the title.

Furthermore, we have quality youth team to back him up.

I guess if Fergie had been sacked after he won the FA cup in the 90's, you wouldn't even be here, probably supporting Chelsea by now.

Times and conditions are different. This is the 21st century not the 90s and LVG isn't Fergie.

LVG was on the verge on building a team? What stupid team was it that we couldn't see after at least 4 transfer windows with him getting funds as he liked?
Why couldn't the quality youth team help us challenge for the title last season as backup? Why should it be next season? You think we are Arsenal or what?



How many United fans were predicting us to win the title this season with LVG in charge?


Pep was beaten to a title by only one man in his entire career and that man is currently managing United. I think I'd have more faith in Mourinho winning the title than LVG and I'm glad the owners of United saw it that way too.

Now tell me honestly if LVG was at Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid, would he have been sacked or not?

Diademk07:


Depay would always be the first choice or did you expect Depay to be benched without giving any look first.

Abeg, I don't have time for all these back and forth with you. hardly anyone would disagree with Van gaal tendency of blooding in youth.

How about Blcakett? What of Martial?
Abegi.

That's exactly my point that if Depay didn't disappoint he wouldn't have used him. It wasn't as if it was in his plan to start using him.

Blackkett was as a result of injuries to lot of players. Shaw wasn't match fit when he was bought.

He bought Martial who was already a part of Monaco squad and he was an expensive buy.

You have not answered my question about a number 10's key passes.

elrony:


... LVG's Signings! !!


Anyway we can now agree that LVG and his tactics didn't just work!!!!

His tactic worked out well.

Without his tactic, we might even have been relegated with all those rubbish players.

Diademk07:


Whatever! He's a rubbish player.

I knew you'd avoid the question. This shows that you just hate the player for no reason(s) the way you hate some other players.

That's exactly why I asked that question.

FeeLawSawFee

GBR1:

Times and conditions are different. This is the 21st century not the 90s and LVG isn't Fergie.

LVG was on the verge on building a team? What stupid team was it that we couldn't see after at least 4 transfer windows with him getting funds as he liked?
Why couldn't the quality youth team help us challenge for the title last season as backup? Why should it be next season? You think we are Arsenal or what?



How many United fans were predicting us to win the title this season with LVG in charge?


Pep was beaten to a title by only one man in his entire career and that man is currently managing United. I think I'd have more faith in Mourinho winning the title than LVG and I'm glad the owners of United saw it that way too.

Now tell me honestly if LVG was at Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid, would he have been sacked or not?

Yeah, he was building a team and you heard me right.

A front trio of Martial, Rashford and

Average midfield which was our Achilles.

Defence of Smalling - Blind - Shaw - Valencia with quality young players like TFM, Varela, CBJ, Riley waiting on the line. He was the one who procured TFM for example.

No doubt he made a lot of mistakes in the window but he was building a quality squad, not just a team.

You know the reason I was in support of Van gaal. First, He bloods in youth. Secondly, when I thought of all he archived with players like Darmain, Rojo, Depay, Herrera, ageing Carrick, Morgan, ageing Rooney et al in the league, I know he would do much more better when he finally get the right players in.

tess1:


I knew you'd avoid the question. This shows that you just hate the player for no reason(s) the way you hate some other players.

That's exactly why I asked that question.

He should be creating at least 2+ chances per game.!

I don't hate him for any reason. Maybe the reason I don't like him is because I thought we were replacing Cleverley with a better player not knowing that we were getting the spanish one.

tess1:


That's exactly my point that if Depay didn't disappoint he wouldn't have used him. It wasn't as if it was in his plan to start using him.

Blackkett was as a result of injuries to lot of players. Shaw wasn't match fit when he was bought.

He bought Martial who was already a part of Monaco squad and he was an expensive buy.

You have not answered my question about a number 10's key passes.

Which injuries to lot of squad?
Blackett was used as a CB! Is Shaw a CB?

Martial had little experience and only few knew him yet Van gaal wanted him. Monaco hardly let go of their player for little money though.

Depay was replacing Di Maria in the team and would always start no matter what. But the fact is he had Lingard in his squad waiting to be brought in at any point in time.

Diademk07:


He should be creating at least 2+ chances per game.!

I don't hate him for any reason. Maybe the reason I don't like him is because I thought we were replacing Cleverley with a better player not knowing that we were getting the spanish one.

Good, I'll respond to this in the morning.

Diademk07:


His tactic worked out well.

Without his tactic, we might even have been relegated with all those rubbish players.

Ok

Diademk07:


Yeah, he was building a team and you heard me right.

A front trio of Martial, Rashford and

Average midfield which was our Achilles.

Defence of Smalling - Blind - Shaw - Valencia with quality young players like TFM, Varela, CBJ, Riley waiting on the line. He was the one who procured TFM for example.

No doubt he made a lot of mistakes in the window but he was building a quality squad, not just a team.

You know the reason I was in support of Van gaal. First, He bloods in youth. Secondly, when I thought of all he archived with players like Darmain, Rojo, Depay, Herrera, ageing Carrick, Morgan et al in the league, I know he would do much more better when he finally get the right players in.

He brought in all those players you listed in your final paragraph except Carrick. He had built his team and it was pure nonsense. We gave him a 3 year contract not 20 years.

Well he should go and build that useless team of his in retirement. We don't need it.

He earned his sack after all.

GBR1:

Well he should go and build that useless team of his in retirement. We don't need it.

He earned his sack after all.

Fergie was also building useless team with Scholes, Giggs, Neville brothers et al?

The fact is you're a glory hunter which I'm not. I guess that's the difference between us.

BTW, I'm waiting for Mourinho to work his magic on Depay, Darmain, Herrera, Rojo et al.

Diademk07:


Fergie was also building useless team with Scholes, Giggs, Neville brothers et al?

The fact is you're a glory hunter which I'm not. I guess that's the difference between us.

BTW, I'm waiting for Mourinho to work his magic on Depay, Darmain, Herrera, Rojo et al.

LVG is not Fergie. We've been through this.

I don't think you know what glory hunting is.

You want him to work his magic on LVG signings?

Are you mad or what?

GBR1:

He brought in all those players you listed in your final paragraph except Carrick. He had built his team and it was pure nonsense. We gave him a 3 year contract not 20 years.

Well he should go and build that useless team of his in retirement. We don't need it.

He earned his sack after all.

Most of them were punts taken on unknown players or young signings from poor league like Depay.

I still don't believe Herrera is his signing although he might have given the go ahead after the suggestion was made by the board because I remembered vividly how Moyes was asking one Spanish pundit about Herrera, which showed that Herrera was also suggested to Moyes as well.

I don't believe Morgan is a flop though. But the thing is he's quite limited to be used as a box-box CM by top clubs and he's totally rubbish as a DM. He would do well going back to a small club to continue as a defensive box-box CM.

GBR1:

LVG is not Fergie. We've been through this.

I don't think you know what glory hunting is.

You want him to work his magic on LVG signings?

Are you mad or what?

Why not?

He's been spouting the same shite that a lot of players were 'van gaaled', then he should work on them and stop speaking rubbish.

And Fergie was a lot like LVG in his early years. He was almost sacked after a similar stint like Van gaal.

And yes, you're a glory hunter.

chidexxy007:
Can u guys leave ds argument nw plz, d lvg ship has sailed since... Mou's ship is on board nw nd its looking interesting already.

I tired o!
I don't know for how long lvg issue will go. a new manager is around and he already has a 100% win record yet some ppl wan kill demselves on top a senile manager who felt the world is still in the 90s. it is already evident that there has been improvement with regards to getting the job done under the present manager. but no, some canopy analyst prefer to continually cry over a manager who made united look so drab.
Jose is steadily bringing back the fear factor

it's 4am and guys are still arguing. I think you guys should start opening New threads to host your lengthy back-en-forth instead of stretching the pages of this thread unnecessarily.

Elxandre:
The problem self acclaimed analysts have is they think the coach has to play according to their perceived best strategy to achieve results.

Must every striker drift to the wing?
Do you even know what a target man is?

I know Pogba shocked you, that you had to delete all your prepared lines you already drafted down to destroy Mourinho.
You can't even make a coherent verdict on his performance.

Just yesterday you said he was just about 'fanciful flicks', now you said "he was always positive with the ball and looked like a number 10", which is even a testament to his efficacy.

You think we must have a Carrick-esque player to create a winning team?
Well, I knew Mourinho would bench him quickly, and so he has!
Every coach has his system.
Jose is all about an all action midfield, and doesn't prioritize possesion and controlling of midfield without results.

Tell me who was playmaking from deep like Carrick at Chelsea, in his first spell especially?

And when will you get sense and realise that Mourinho is not Conte or Pellegrini?
Mourinho might have used Yaya more effectively, just as he might utilize Pogba better than Conte or Allegri.

But Pogba and Yaya aren't even the same!
(Yaya is lazy and spoilt rotten)
Some said he doesn't track back, but I didn't see that yesterday anyway.

And lastly, you said Zlatan hasn't impressed you?
Don't be a clown.
When last did we have a striker that could actually trap a ball or score a 30 yard effort, or a cracking header?
That was 2013 RVP!

Would you rather start 18yr old Rashford over this Ibra who has performed well?
I think you should stick to watching U21 league if you think an 18 year old should start as first choice.

Ok name just one elite team that has a 20 year old as first choice striker. I'm waiting.


Jose Mourinho has certainly spent better than LVG who splashed £200m but has only two starters in that team right now.
Rojo-Flop
Schneiderlin-flop
Schweinsteiger-Flop
Memphis Depay- Flop
Angel Di maria-Flop
Super free agent Falcao-Flop
Darmian- super flop Benched by Wingers Valencia and Young.
Valdez-Flop and pursued outta Old Trafford
Blind-To be displaced by Smalling soon.

You had the guts to say we've played only 'little' teams, when we lost to same Southampton last season home and away

Oga park well and learn.
You no know ball!

Cc. diadkem07

united defeated the saints at the st. Mary's stadium, home and away ke.