Nihilist:


Herd mentality strikes again. Are you a 'mooo' or a 'meee'? Let us know quite early so that I can know whether to call you Mooses or Meesut.

Did you even read what I wrote at all?

....You did not answer my question boss.

you are one fellow I learn alot from here, so asking u questions is actually an avenue to learn more.. If the role of the three midfielders of Conte plays are the same, no problem...you wana portray Oscar as a DM, no problemo

Funlordjnr:



Fab is your best midfielder hands down, oscar is just enjoying a fitness based run in the team and costas main hope is fab! Eventually your coach will realise this and oscar would go back to checking his text messages on the bench!

Nihilist won't like this ....

Skimpledawg:

....You did not answer my question boss.

you are one fellow I learn alot from here, so asking u questions is actually an avenue to learn more.. If the role of the three midfielders of Conte plays are the same, no problem...you wana portray Oscar as a DM, no problemo

Your question was answered in full in my original post. Let me repost it for your convenience.

Nihilist:

Oscar isn't the most creative player on the team, but he injects energy into the middle as he runs from box to box. Kante is the defensive lynchpin of the side. [size=18pt]What does Matic do? He creates fewer chances than the more defensive Kante. He makes fewer interceptions and tackles than the more attacking Oscar.[/size]

hensben:
You mean matic right? Even conte is aware fab is the best among the rest in Chelsea midfield so no need for INSULT.

Nope......if I INSULT person you go know...that was just a little jab because you guys are still our rivals so you must be disrespected at every chance one gets! At least una no dey suffer reach those "emirate homos" so why the painment? Lol.....





Now back to the matter...your coach is an italian, so defensive solidity and a non compromising midfield takes priority over all else....na oscar go cut out from that midfield, matic has never been creative but defensively he is on point! Oscar is also a bit of an inconsistent injury prone player so that may also cost him his place........na fab, matic and kante go fit lead una enter europa at least!

lalaboi:


I really don't want to get into this argument but just want to point out that its convenient for you to bang on stats over a season that favours Mikhi and then refer to Hazard's Past glory, on his first bad season as the only viable stats available to you.

Is Mikhi That consistent?
Sure he banged in 23 goals and 17 assists last season. The season before that? He score just 5 goals in all competition and in the same season Hazard scored 19, won the premier league and player of the year in England.

Over his 3 year spell in Dortmund, he scored 13, 5, 23 goals respectively each season. Hazard posted 13, 17, 19. . .a progression of improvement before burning out last season.

Just clearing the myth that Mikhi is a more consistent performer than hazard. He shone in his last season at Dortmund and also shone at his last season in Shakhtar which is 3 SEASONS apart but Mr Dopejemi wants us to believe the hype like they did with Kagawa.

There is really nothing to argue. They are both good footballers, They are both in the same league now, lets see come season end.

Shikena

I said mkhitaryan scored 23 goals and recorded 17 assists last season, your comrade said it's his past glory, so I brought up hazard's numbers last season too

So he can use past glory for Mkhitaryan's goals and assists last season and give me explanations for hazard's 3 goals last season?

Hell naw

Funlordjnr:




Nope......if I INSULT person you go know...that was just a little jab because you guys are still our rivals so you must be disrespected at every chance one gets! At least una no dey suffer reach those "emirate homos" so why the painment? Lol.....





Now back to the matter...your coach is an italian, so defensive solidity and a non compromising midfield takes priority over all else....na oscar go cut out from that midfield, matic has never been creative but defensively he is on point! Oscar is also a bit of an inconsistent injury prone player so that may also cost him his place........na fab, matic and kante go fit lead una enter europa at least!

Matic has been crap since last season. Jose subbed him in vs Southampton and Subbed him off after just 28 minutes. Hiddink benched the fella almost constantly for Mikel. Under Conte, he hasn't been impressive, well, at least not to me.

Oscar brings running to the side. From a tactical POV, you need at least of of your midfield 3 to make dynamic runs off the ball to open passing lanes and create options. Matic cannot do that and Kante is the defensive lynchpin and thus needs to stay put. Oscar is a tactical necessity.

Matic's role should be the guying spraying the ball about from deep. He is not doing so. That's why I'm wondering what he brings to the side.

Skimpledawg:

Nihilist won't like this ....

He must! Because he knows its the truth!



Even his kid told him just now that "daddy try and read funlords post because its on fleeky fleek"....!

dopeJemi:


You are mouthed, that right there is why I have ignored the silly questions those guys have been asking

It's clear for a blind man to see

So you guys now think you know Jose more than cfc fan? Just .

Let me tell you one Jose secret, "he's very open minded, he's a non sentimental man". Mata only sin against Jose at Chelsea was his inability to mark when defending but since the present manure squad are full of muscle men; starting from defense to attack then Mata can be use. Of course Jose is aware of Mata's quality and also, he's a proven epl player unlike mkhitaryan that came from a club were players sold most times always end up as a flop. Jose is after three points, he's not a gambler so he always want special role for special player not experimenting position with different players. If you're observant, this is one of the reason Jose overuse his first eleven and if they are not strong mentally and physically they "run out of gas", by then it is either the players start having issues with him in dressing room or they are off form.

hensben:
All those one na temporary stuff. There was a time Nigeria were 5th in the world.
Everybody know say Brazil fit pick anybody for street go World Cup. Brazil>>Belgium for football matters anytime any day.

Comparing Neymar and hazard is injustice to hazard when they play in different leagues and team.

Why are you like this?...

So Messi has to come and play in EPL before we can assume he is better than all the attackers in the league?

Neymar is a better player than Hazard,you can't argue that one bit!!!

Stop using league and club excuse when it isn't viable at all!!!

lordfalcao:
some one gave his team the league title That is more key.

why is mourinho playing mata ahead of your 23 league assist man? if you don't have the answer then mhikity is a fraud.

So Fabregas' 19 assists and costa's 21 league goals gave chelsea what? Rubber bands?

Nihilist:


Matic has been crap since last season. Jose subbed him in vs Southampton and Subbed him off after just 28 minutes. Hiddink benched the fella almost constantly for Mikel. Under Conte, he hasn't been impressive, well, at least not to me.

Oscar brings running to the side. From a tactical POV, you need at least of of your midfield 3 to make dynamic runs off the ball to open passing lanes and create options. Matic cannot do that and Kante is the defensive lynchpin and thus needs to stay put. Oscar is a tactical necessity.

Matic's role should be the guying spraying the ball about from deep. He is not doing so. That's why I'm wondering what he brings to the side.

Who was not crap last season in chelsea sef? I get where you are coming from but remember this is the same matic that was your one of your 3 standout players the last time you chaps won the league? That player cannot have disappeared into thin air na! Conte needs to get that player back! That's why he is paid the big bucks innit?






He has been average but as I posted earlier based on the conte wey I know, matic or mikel has a chance to bloom in that midfield! Or maybe conte should attempt a fab, oscar and kante combo in your next game and see how that works out If matic continues serving up drivel that's on him and better for united sef!

elrony:


Why are you like this?...

So Messi has to come and play in EPL before we can assume he is better than all the attackers in the league?

Neymar is a better player than Hazard,you can't argue that one bit!!!

Stop using league and club excuse when it isn't viable at all!!!

Neymar is not better than hazard until they play in same league either epl or la Liga. But one thing I am sure of Neymar will not survive in epl messi will due to his stamina with the ball although he will not be recording 40+ goals in a season just like cr7 when he was in epl.

Funlordjnr:





Who was not crap last season in chelsea sef? I get where you are coming from but remember this is the same matic that was your one of your 3 standout players the last time you chaps won the league? That player cannot have disappeared into thin air na! Conte needs to get that player back! That's why he is paid the big bucks innit?






He has been average but as I posted earlier based on the conte wey I know, matic or mikel has a chance to bloom in that midfield! Or maybe conte should attempt a fab, oscar and kante combo in your next game and see how that works out If matic continues serving up drivel that's on him and better for united sef!

Fabregas Oscar and Kante are our best options in a 433. One suspects that Conte fears that Fab+Matic may be easily overrun. Like so many here have posted, that combo was the most dribbled past midfield combo in 14/15.

I did a photo analysis of our first game viewing city last season and highlighted the issues they had, though at thr time I didn't realise I was witnessing the beginning of what appears to be Matic's decline

lalaboi:

Over his 3 year spell in Dortmund, he scored 13, 5, 23 goals respectively each season. Hazard posted 13, 17, 19. . .a progression of improvement before burning out last season.

Mkhitaryan = 41 goals and 49 assists in 140 games for Dortmund = 0.64 goal contribution per game.

Hazrad = 56 goals and 55 assists in 208 games for Chelsea = 0.53 goal contribution per game.

Mkhitaryan no penalties for Dortmund, Hazard 16 penalties for Chelsea.

Normalising for penalties, Hazard = 40 goals and 55 assists in 208 Chelsea games = 0.46 goal contribution per game.

Over a 52 game per season average that Hazard has played at Chelsea, that is an extra 10 goal a season contribution from Mkhitaryan.

Comparing Hazard to other players should not be done with numbers. He is not a high volume man. Gervinho and Moussa Sow consistently outscored him at Lille, yet he was better than them.

The yearly Oscar defence and excuses continues. . . .

Every year for 5 years, the same argument around this time of season.

Singing. . . .

"After the 5 years wey him do. . . . him do, him do"
"We still dey wait for the change. . . the change, the change"

Someone should alert me when Oscar gets at least a nomination for young player of the year.

Ibime:


Mkhitaryan = 41 goals and 49 assists in 140 games for Dortmund = 0.64 goal contribution per game.

Hazrad = 56 goals and 55 assists in 208 games for Chelsea = 0.53 goal contribution per game.

Mkhitaryan no penalties for Dortmund, Hazard 16 penalties for Chelsea.

Normalising for penalties, Hazard = 40 goals and 55 assists in 208 Chelsea games = 0.46 goal contribution per game.

Over a 52 game per season average that Hazard has played at Chelsea, that is an extra 10 goal a season contribution from Mkhitaryan.

Comparing Hazard to other players should not be done with numbers. He is not a high volume man. Gervinho and Moussa Sow consistently outscored him at Lille, yet he was better than them.

You should be telling this to dopejemi because I am not a fan of stat, it's deceiving. I am talking of who's a better player they will bring up stat. All this messi and cr7 football fan era. Smh

hensben:
[b]Neymar is not better than hazard until they play in same league either epl or la Liga[/b]But one thing I am sure of Neymar will not survive in epl messi will due to his stamina with the ball although he will not be recording 40+ goals in a season just like cr7 when he was in epl.

The emboldened is just very very laughable (lmao).

You tryna flipflop or what?...

I didn't ask you about survival rate or instinct here bro!..it's just a simple question.

Does Messi have to play in the EPL,before we can say he's better than all the EPL forwards? (Since they play in different leagues ).

It's that simple!!!.. gimme a straight yes or no answer! !

dopeJemi:

25 league goals in 28 league apps in ukraine, what next?

ukraine??

Nihilist is right,Matic is the worst but that doesn't mean Oscar isn't bad...
As for me,both of them should die on the bench...

If we replace Matic with Fab then Kante plays as DM?? Nope..... Can't have our best CM playing DM for that idiot

It should be Fan,Kante and a DM....Am seriously praying Conte is fair enough to consider Chalobah


And yes Oscar is our scapegoat and will always be.....Matic gave us a full season of quality service,what has Oscar ever done for us apart from deceiving us with his stupid early season displays which saw KDB and Mata leave

Ibime:
The yearly Oscar defence and excuses continues. . . .

Every year for 5 years, the same argument around this time of season.

Singing. . . .

"After the 5 years wey him do. . . . him do, him do"
"We still dey wait for the change. . . the change, the change"

Someone should alert me when Oscar gets at least a nomination for young player of the year.

This is not Oscar defence at all.

As bad as Oscar is, he has been better than Matic.

What I'm asking is what Matic brings to the table.

elrony:


The emboldened is just very very laughable (lmao).

You tryna flipflop or what?...

I didn't ask you about survival rate or instinct here bro!..it's just a simple question.

Does Messi have to play in the EPL,before we can say he's better than all the EPL forwards? (Since they play in different leagues ).

It's that simple!!!.. gimme a straight yes or no answer! !

what's your point? That Neymar and messi are now in same level or what? Please clarify your question. Are you ware messi has five balon de or huh.

hensben:
Neymar is not better than hazard until they play in same league either epl or la Liga. But one thing I am sure of Neymar will not survive in epl messi will due to his stamina with the ball although he will not be recording 40+ goals in a season just like cr7 when he was in epl.

Messi is not better than willian and Oscar until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than muller and robben until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than Lucas moura and pastore until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than salah and dybala until he plays in the same league with them


Hear talk

hensben:
what's your point? That Neymar and messi are now in same level or what? Please clarify your question. Are you ware messi has five balon de or huh.

Are you aware Neymar is a balon d'or finalist?

Chestar5:


ukraine??

Yes

bigkesh:
Nihilist is right,Matic is the worst but that doesn't mean Oscar isn't bad...
As for me,both of them should die on the bench...

If we replace Matic with Fab then Kante plays as DM?? Nope..... Can't have our best CM playing DM for that idiot

It should be Fan,Kante and a DM....Am seriously praying Conte is fair enough to consider Chalobah


And yes Oscar is our scapegoat and will always be.....Matic gave us a full season of quality service,what has Oscar ever done for us apart from deceiving us with his stupid early season displays which saw KDB and Mata leave

oscar has not be deceiving, his undo is his strength/physique in a more intensed opponent. we all know pre season is played with less intense and oscar position is always threatened so he had to play to his best in pre seaon were opponent are not serious and that make him to be the best thing after slice bread in coach's eyes.

Nihilist:


This is not Oscar defence at all.

As bad as Oscar is, he has been better than Matic.

What I'm asking is what Matic brings to the table.

As long as Chelsea look defensively solid, Matic has done his job.

Oscar went from comparisons with Lampard to the best AMs in the world. . . to now comparing with a DM/CM. Na so the desperation done reach?

There are several permutations of formation Chelsea could employ so I am not about to start comparing a natural DM to a natural AM. Formation changes from game to game and even within 90 minutes so I am not foolish to start comparing two different types of player.

Oscar should tell us what he has brought to the AM position and stop looking for people in other positions to hide behind.

And I'm for sure not going to hold brief for a 4 year disappointment who can't even secure a nomination for young player of the year against a ninja who made EPL team of the season 12 months ago.

dopeJemi:


Are you aware Neymar is a balon d'or finalist?

which nationality is mkhitaryan? Mumu question everywhere. Smh

hensben:
what's your point? That Neymar and messi are now in same level or what? Please clarify your question. Are you ware messi has five balon de or huh.

I don tire for you!!!.. your amoebic approach to simple questions makes me wonder if you lack comprehensibility,or you just pretending to! (No offence).

For clarity;
You said Neymar and Hazard shouldn't be compared (on the better player)until they play in the same league. Which is quite absurd!

In that same context to make you see the light,I then asked you a simple question;
Does Messi have to play in the EPL, before we can say he's better than all the EPL forwards?

Crystal!!

So feel free to answer "Yes" or "No". That's all!!...

If you hell bent on flipping, forget it!

dopeJemi:


[s]Messi is not better than willian and Oscar until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than muller and robben until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than Lucas moura and pastore until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than salah and dybala until he plays in the same league with them


Hear talk[/s]

Youre off point again. I can see your psyche has been dealt with this afternoon. You're trying hard to bring barca into this. You guys are the ones mentioning messi and I am of the opinion that messi will do excellently well in epl except scoring 40+ goals in a season and I believe a sensible football follower will agree with me on that.

Ibime:


As long as Chelsea look defensively solid, Matic has done his job.

Oscar went from comparisons with Lampard to the best AMs in the world. . . to now comparing with a DM/CM. Na so the desperation done reach?

There are several permutations of formation Chelsea could employ so I am not about to start comparing a natural DM to a natural AM. Formation changes from game to game and even within 90 minutes so I am not foolish to start comparing two different types of player.

Oscar should tell us what he has brought to the AM position and stop looking for people in other positions to hide behind.

And I'm for sure not going to hold brief for a 4 year disappointment who can't even secure a nomination for young player of the year against a ninja who made EPL team of the season 12 months ago.

Actually Oscar and Matic are both playing in central midfield this season. The statisticsame show that Oscar has had more defensive contribution than Matic, more offensive contribution than Matic, more anything than Matic.

The question here is why Matic deserves to start ahead of Fabregas. That's what I'm asking you sir.

All your other yarns are deflections. Matic was not playing DM when he came to Chelsea, and Oscar was playing right wing, so leave the natural yarns to discussion on farmland bro.

Chestar5:


ukraine??

Yes ukraine! He played for "shaktar donetsk" (a top ukrainian club) for 3 years before joining dortmund in 2013!

hensben:
which nationality is mkhitaryan? Mumu question everywhere. Smh

Don't be silly, was it not you who mentioned Neymar in your post? Was it not you who said messi is a balon d'or winner and so can't be compared with other players?

Now i'm telling you Neymar that you claim is not better than hazard is a balon d'or finalist, only 3rd behind messi and you are asking me about Mkhitaryan's nationality, are you confused?