TheGoodJoe:


Aguero has scored 105 goals in 152 games for Manchester City. You do not need awards or stats to prove he is one of the greats in the game today.

The stats speaks greatness. Not what you think.

From your point, Harry Kane is great and Aguero is not.

TheGoodJoe:



Paul Scholes is of the view that only Manchester City striker Sergio Aguero can slot into the first team of clubs like Real Madrid or Barcelona.

"I really don't think it's any surprise," added Scholes.

"When you think about the quality of players we have, do you think any of the players at our top clubs now would get in the Barcelona team? I very much doubt it."

"They wouldn't get in the Real Madrid team or the Bayern Munich team. Maybe Sergio Aguero is the exception."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3255256/Manchester-United-legend-Paul-Scholes-takes-swipe-Premier-League-quality-claiming-Sergio-Aguero-Real-Madrid-Bayern-Munich-squad.html

joseph1013:


Aguero would not play in the first team at Barcelona. He is not as good as Messi, Suarez or Neymar, except he wants to get converted to the midfield.

He would struggle to play at Madrid. Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema are better than him. Remember that the Higuain who regularly benches him at the Argentine setup was sold for Benzema.

Aguero is a good player. He is not a great player.

joseph1013:


We know that people are great through awards. How do we know Messi is great? How do we know Ronaldo is great? How do we know THierry Henry is great? Personal awards. Unless you say that the widely-read, widely-travelled, incredibly knowledgeable football analysts and statisticians are idi.ots.

You speak about Kane. When did Kane get to the league?

joseph1013:


We know that people are great through awards. How do we know Messi is great? How do we know Ronaldo is great? How do we know THierry Henry is great? Personal awards. Unless you say that the widely-read, widely-travelled, incredibly knowledgeable football analysts and statisticians are idi.ots.

You speak about Kane. When did Kane get to the league?

joseph1013:


Aguero would not play in the first team at Barcelona. He is not as good as Messi, Suarez or Neymar, except he wants to get converted to the midfield.

He would struggle to play at Madrid. Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema are better than him. Remember that the Higuain who regularly benches him at the Argentine setup was sold for Benzema.

Aguero is a good player. He is not a great player.

TheGoodJoe:


How many times was Ibrahimovic rated as one of the top three greats of the year by FIFA? I do not remember. However, he is one of the greatest strikers in the history of the game.

Sometimes, accolades is not all that matters. Aguero is one of the few World Class strikers in the game today.

By the way, you brought in EPL team of the year.

goldfish80:

Make no mistake about this, Aguero will make everyone's top 10 best strikers in this Morden era. Among this elite bracket are the barca and Madrid front 3,Griezman, lewandoski who I rate all ahead of Aguero.

However, Aguero is an incredible talent nobody in their right senses will deny that.

joseph1013:
[b]That means you don't know Zlatan. Please, please...please. Don't compare Zlatan with Kun. Ever!

Zlatan scores goals...incredible goals. And wins awards.

Take a look:
FIFA FIFPro World XI : 2013
UEFA Team of the Year: 2007, 2009 , 2013, 2014
Golden Foot: 2012
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament : 2012
UEFA Champions League Most assists: 2012–13
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season : 2013–14
ESM Team of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08 , 2012–13 , 2013–14
Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Top Scorer: 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2005, 2008, 2009
Serie A Team of the Year: 2010–11, 2011–12
Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2012– 13 , 2013–14, 2015–16
Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year: 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year

Can you remind me again about Kun's records compared to this?

Ibrahimovic is one of the greatest strikers and his awards prove it. He'd have been top 3 except for the beasts of Messi and CR7.

Choose another player please. [/b]

joseph1013:
The modern era does not have too many great strikers. Even players you rate above Aguero like Griezman are average strikers. I even rate Aguero more than Griezman and Lewan. But at best, they are all good players, nothing great about them. Others include Higuain.

For modern great strikers, I only know about Zlatan and Suarez, and maybe Muller.

TheGoodJoe:



I did not talk of his awards. I said, how many times has he been in the top three. How many times did he make the FIFA Ballon D'or top three list? I do not remember. Based on that, people will not put him in the same bracket of Messi and CR7. However, he is and had been as consistent as them.

joseph1013:
The reason is simple...he is not in the top 3 players in the world.

He's not as good as Messi. He's not as good as Ronaldo. He was not as good as Iniesta. He was not as good as Ronaldinho. He was not as good as Xavi.

So what's your point?

TheGoodJoe:



I did not talk of his awards. I said, how many times has he been in the top three. How many times did he make the FIFA Ballon D'or top three list? I do not remember. Based on that, people will not put him in the same bracket of Messi and CR7. However, he is and had been as consistent as them.

joseph1013:
The reason is simple...he is not in the top 3 players in the world.

He's not as good as Messi. He's not as good as Ronaldo. He was not as good as Iniesta. He was not as good as Ronaldinho. He was not as good as Xavi.

So what's your point?

TheGoodJoe:


My Lawd. Iniesta. Better than Ibrahimovic. You think it is beans when Barcelona spent 40 million Euros plus Eto for Ibrahimovic. He is up there with CR7 and Messi. Those two are ahead of him when you compare the impact on their careers. Ibrahimovic follows.

Just Google his best goals and see magic. Ibrahimovic is good like test.

joseph1013:
You're the first person who I see mentions Zlatan in the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo. You are comparing them with him? Are you joking? Joking sturvs?

joseph1013:
This is where the discussion will end. I cannot continue with someone who thinks Iniesta's overall play is inferior to that of Zlatan. I cannot! I just can't.

Bye sir!

joseph1013:
You're the first person who I see mentions Zlatan in the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo. You are comparing them with him? Are you joking? Joking sturvs?

TheGoodJoe:


In December 2013, Ibrahimović was ranked by The Guardian as the third-best player in the world, behind only Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Just copied it off Ibra's wiki page. I guess I am not the only one joking.

joseph1013:
The modern era does not have too many great strikers. Even players you rate above Aguero like Griezman are average strikers. I even rate Aguero more than Griezman and Lewan. But at best, they are all good players, nothing great about them. Others include Higuain.

For modern great strikers, I only know about Zlatan and Suarez, and maybe Muller.

goldfish80:

I wonder in which parallel universe Griezman is an average striker. As I type his now, he is within the top 3 best players around now.. Best player at the Euros and top scorer. Made the champions league team of the year. Definitely within a shout of the balon d or. If he is an average striker with the type of year he has had, then really we have to redefine the word "average" .. Lol lol

joseph1013:
One or two seasons of wonders does not a great player make, else Vardy and Kane would be great players. 'Great' has been roundly overused.

May be not average, may be good. Not great!

joseph1013:
One or two seasons of wonders does not a great player make, else Vardy and Kane would be great players. 'Great' has been roundly overused.

May be not average, may be good. Not great!

goldfish80:

This is a guy who has worked his way up the ladder. From being rejected earlier in his career because of height disadvantage to turning out world class performance over the past 4season (from his Sociedad days).
At Sociedad, himself and Vela embarrassed alot of teams in the la liga. You think Athletico will buy a one season wonder to replace Falcao?

For just any good striker or average striker to flourish in Simeone's ultra defensive model of football is quite a statement.

Keane and Vardy will never get to win Euro best player and top scorer in their careers. Naming him in the same brackets with players who he is light years ahead is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this thread. Slightly a bit below "
Sadiq the new Kanu "

You don't go around making statements like these,nobody will take you serious.

BascoVanVeli:


No u guys both have it wrong u can't compare Ibra and Iniesta they are like apples and oranges. They both can never do what the other does.

joseph1013:
You're trying too hard to be funny. If I don't think Aguero is great, wtf is Griezman. You lots use the word 'great' anyhow.

Let me give you samples of great players in the game. Ronaldo, the Phenomenon, is great. Henry Thierry is great. Raul Gonzalez is great, Del Piero is great. Buffon is great. Pirlo is great. Roberto Carlos is great. Kanu Nwankwo is great.

Show me how Griezman got on that list.

Your standard indeed is quite low. I should have known from the moment you said Griezman is better than Aguero.

goldfish80:

At 26 you want greizman to compare with guys that played into their late 30's, isn't that's a bit ridiculous?
When am talking about him being a great player, am talking about players playing active football.

And YES, he is better than Kun Aguero. When Aguero gets nominated for the Uefa team of the year and gets a shot at winning the Balloon dor then we can have an argument on Aguero being better.

joseph1013:


And the bolded is exactly is my point. At this stage, he is not fit to tie the laces of the shoes of Ronaldo, the Phenomenon, nor look into the face of the mercurial Zidane. At the moment, he is a good player, not a great player. When he is well into his 30s, we can compare notes.

Stop disrespecting the word, 'Great'. It's reserved for proper legends. SMH

goldfish80:

Greizman is a great player, a great talent,a proper world class player. But he is not yet a legend. I think you're having problems separating the two key words here, Great /legend at least going by your last paragraph.
There is a clear difference between the two words in the context we are throwing them around here bro.