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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 12:59pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
How come no one mentioned that RLC made some key passes? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:11pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime:Only within a proper context. It can also indicate an opponent's woeful attack. Ibime: At first glance, you would appear to be right, but when we consider what I will call 'effective possession' then my point becomes even more apparent. Last season vs West Ham at the Bridge, we had 150 passes in their defensive third. This season we had 185. Quite clearly we pinned them down in their half. And hence my point. When you consider the increase in possession, increase in number of passes and the improved rate of pass completion, it becomes a bit more obvious that defensive actions were not responsible for our victory vs West ham. So it's not yet possible to tell if Kante has improved us defensively.. At least not using Statistics. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:19pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Nihilist: The presence of a fast solid midfielder like Kante also allows you to move up the pitch with confidence rather than fearing counterattacks, so either way you cut it, President Kante is involved. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 1:21pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
When is cfc signing defenders? Not just experimental one but quality and tested defenders(a LB and CD). Transfer market about to close. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:22pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
FBS: We don give up on that one Nigga is too lazy |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:23pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
hensben:Hector-esque transfer incoming |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:27pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: He's dropping into centre back during transition as seen here, so it's not really his pace that is giving the attackers confidence to move up. Like I said this is a tactical improvement rather than an individual one. [img]http://media./media/l2SqiEs3LIJvxQfgk/giphy.gif[/img] Looking at the GIF above, It could be argued that a solid centreback with ball playing skills e.g say Vertoghen or Eric Dier could flit between CB and Midfield. This would make the argument that we need(ed) a new midfielder obsolete, no? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 1:32pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Perhaps you are both wrong and right. I see no one of you had considered the fact that we set up for the last two games in a 4-3-3. This was never used last season. This (4-3-3), tactically, pushes more players higher up the pitch. This fact supports and negates elements of both sides' arguments. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 1:32pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: With those defenders' forms last season except zouma later on, no team will win any league last season. I remember dayo mocking terry here against ayew inside the box. Kante would not always stop crosses from the flanks getting into opposing attackers inside our box . You can check that watford goal you will understand it. kante cant be everywhere. Mind you , it's too early to compare stats now. Last year I gave preference to defensive solidification having it in mind that matic would return to peak last season. My arguement started way back from last season's preseason and it still stands a year later, i also asked for midfield additions that time but it should be secondary. Kante addition as pointed by nihilist has improved our offensive play, though against watford he struggled most times with behrami. Fact is we would nt have suffered last season if matic came smoking with hazard and quality defenders. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:35pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Nihilist: This is not the first time we are having a DM drop into the back 3. Anyway you too like unnecessary argument. Just bow to Lord Kante! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 1:37pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime:Bro cfc main problem is LB so that Azpi can play his primary position. Azpi is very good in pull out but playing LB is hindering his attacking prowess. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:42pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: [img]http://yahwehssong.files./2012/01/bowing.jpg[/img] 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:50pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
hensben: True. LB and CB are now the most pressing issues now that midfield has been alleviated somewhat. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 1:55pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
bigkesh:it better not be so else... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:59pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
airmark: Even if Matic was on form, don't forget that Zouma covered midfield with him for half the season. Who would take Zoumas place? A strong midfield can cover a weak defence (it has been seen countless times) A strong defence however can never compensate for a weak midfield. If the midfield is weak, it forces defenders into one-on-one duels and no defender will win 100% of his one-on-ones. He will be lucky to win 70% of his one-on-one situations. I don't care if he is Jaap Stam. If Chelsea had signed John Stones last season, how many goals would we have conceded? I would argue the same or more. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:41pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: The best teams are those that limit the number of shots they are exposed to which is the reason why the midfield is the most important part of any team. If you have Maldini and Nesta at their peak and teams are averaging 10 shots per game against them, they would still concede in bucketloads. Proactive midfielders and even defenders move up to break up potential attacks before they develop because at the edge of your box if opponents are settled and shooting, then your chance is less than 50-50. A random deflection, a rebound, an outstanding shot, a genius move would always get a goal 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:42pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Jaanmat goes to Watford. Chai... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:57pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
raumdeuter: City conceded the fewest shots per game, yet conceded 41 goals last season same as Southampton who incidentally were conceding over 10 shots per game. I don't buy the idea that a good midfield is key to a solid defence. I think that good tactics AND solid defenders/keeper are the key. Defending is the easiest part of the game. Just stick players very close together and you're sorted. Kante has gone now but look at Leicester's defending against Arsenal even with their inferior midfield.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 3:01pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Not if you had Baresi and Bergomi lol. However i get your premise, back to wall defending rarely works over a long period of time. Great defending starts from midfield and in some cases attack sef. Having said this Ivanovic was especially crappy last season at an individual level which went beyond lack of protection from the midfield. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:28pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Nihilist: If City conceded less shots on goal and still have more goals conceded that means either their Keeper is below average and leaks than the average keeper (Joke Hart has been dropped this season) or they are at the receiving end of higher quality shots |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:31pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Nihilist: He's a decent player. He could play for Chelsea |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 3:34pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: A strong midfield can cover a weak defence for how long ? Against which teams? Dont forget big teams have tacticians handling them. There are many ways to cut out a stubborn midfield especially when you have a leaking full back. A long thrust is even enough to cut out kante and get at our jaded defence. Mane , even benteke showed us this last season. Willian and co had to do extra works falling deep to minize damage at the expense of offensive play. Do you think when essien and co were at their peaks if we were having these tired defenders then, we would have achieved those things we achieved? Meanwhile zouma playing in the midfield was just for 4 games in 2014/2015 league triumph. How you came about him covering the midfield for half a season was shocking. Matic was massive that season and i know you know this. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:41pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
airmark: If your midfield is weak and defence is weak, you better fix the midfield first if you have sense. Chelsea defence was at least functional. The John Stones they claimed was the saviour had to sit behind Cahill in England team because England don't trust him. If Cahill, Terry, Zouma and Felipe Luis are weak, what is the definition of strong? These are all 7/10 defenders at worst, the type that bench John Stones for England. Ivanovic I have had a problem with as right-back for years. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:43pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Strong Defenders/Keepers are the keys to a solid defence not the midfield IMO. Long balls will bypass the midfield as leicester will tell you. Look at the number of blocks the likes of Westbrom and Crystal Palace were making last season...it explains why they conceded less and only 7 less than City. United were holding possesion, conceding few shots,and making few blocks, yet their keeper made PFA team of the year for the third consecutive season. That suggests to me that great defence(defenders +keepers) are more important than great midfielders when it comes to keeping cleansheets. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:44pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: I swear. Could have easily solved the IVA conundrum there...and for so cheap too. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kolade354(m): 3:59pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime:jaanmat that can't defend,I'd rather stick with Aina instead of that useless defender. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 4:15pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Nihilist:Cfc don't need a right back they need a quality LB so that azpi can move to his natural position(RB). |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 4:35pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: Nihilist: Hurray...They finally agree on something Thank you Janmaat 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 5:34pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Ibime: Terry is tired and no more at his best unless we are deceiving ourselves. Cahill was not playing like a trojan he was before. felipe luis was a shadow of himself, he could not play like top class defender we expected of him for us unless you want to be economical with the truth. A team with solid midfield but weak defence will eat it raw against big clubs even some small clubs with experienced attackers will expose the defence. Luis has to be shipped back as he lost confidence when in london. If not that we did nt get it right with rahman and djiloboji you would nt be here proving nothing. I admired stones and because of some matches i saw him in last season, he is still growing and would have learnt a lot under terry and becomes good for us. His athleticism would be useful. I will still prefer him to iva as CB who is too stiff now to stop strikers with sharp reflexes. well, we will see how things pan out. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by FBS: 5:35pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
bigkesh: bigkesh, you don madt. Walahi. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 6:42pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
Jaanmat is crap though |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 7:46pm On Aug 24, 2016 |
dopeJemi:He has done what Oscar,Sterling,Matic,Emenalo and even Kante can't do...... I can bet my life he is not crap even though I have hardly seen him If they both agreed he is good,I swear he is good 1 Like |
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