gbadexy:

Greetings sir, I think the parties can come to some agreement. Perhaps covering land, legal fees and some compensation to enable the land owner procure land in a choice area at a reasonable amount.
I don't think any reasonable person with sense of empathy would allow such building to be destroyed even though the owner of the building may be at fault.

I would request that a comparable plot be purchased for me within a specific time frame. If not, the building must come down.

gbadexy:

I saw a building that aluminum cladding was combined with tiles and Graffitex paint today beside the building I went to estimate paint quantity needed.
It looks cool so I decided to take some pictures of it to post since you mentioned it earlier.
Eventually though, the coating on aluminum claddings would fade. Even automobile and industrial ship coatings fade and needs to be re coated.

Do you know what material the other walls are covered with? Not the charcoal colored wall.

msogunro:


Do you know what material the other walls are covered with? Not the charcoal colored wall.

The whole building was coated with Graffitex paint. Offwhite and dark grey colours.
The front is aluminum cladding and the balcony area is covered in tiles.
The fence is regular paint.

Lifted1:
Afternoon house, please i would like an idea of the prices of the below items

10mmx 4c armored (Coleman/Nigerchin)
95mm armoured for upriser. " "
200A Busbar

@allocapcetic and all the electrical bosses your input will be greatly appreciated .
Thanks

the word is copacetic my good sir, so basically... allCopacetic.

10mm x 4c armoured
For Nigerchin - 2000-2100
For coleman - 2500-2700
used to be in the same range but Coleman is currently more expensive for 10mm

short lengths/off cuts are generally a little cheaper than drum cuts (hence the price range), because for short lengths you have to buy "as is".
i.e if there is an offcut of 15m and what you actually need is 14m or 16m you'll have to go for the 15m anyways.

95mm x 4c
Nigerchin- not sure
Coleman- 13800-14000

Busbar - dependent on brand

msogunro:


I would request that a comparable plot be purchased for me within a specific time frame. If not, the building must come down.

That sounds very reasonable sir. If the owner of the building refuses such a reasonable and generous offer, then he or she deserves whatever happens next.

gbadexy:

The whole building was coated with Graffitex paint. Offwhite and dark grey colours.
The front is aluminum cladding and the balcony area is covered in tiles.
The fence is regular paint.

Ok. The photo makes it seem as if it's tile. I wasn't sure.

Thank you.

allCopacetic:


the word is copacetic my good sir, so basically... allCopacetic.

10mm x 4c armoured
For Nigerchin - 2000-2100
For coleman - 2500-2700
used to be in the same range but Coleman is currently more expensive for 10mm

short lengths/off cuts are generally a little cheaper than drum cuts (hence the price range), because for short lengths you have to buy "as is".
i.e if there is an offcut of 15m and what you actually need is 14m or 16m you'll have to go for the 15m anyways.

95mm x 4c
Nigerchin- not sure
Coleman- 13800-14000

Busbar - dependent on brand

Ohh, my bad sir.
makes sense now.
Thanks for the kind response. Do you sell cables too?

gbadexy:

Greetings sir, I think the parties can come to some agreement. Perhaps covering land, legal fees and some compensation to enable the land owner procure land in a choice area at a reasonable amount.
I don't think any reasonable person with sense of empathy would allow such building to be destroyed even though the owner of the building may be at fault.

My Oga at anything PAINTS, I salute.


Some issues are beyond money!

If they could do all you wrote up there Sir, l think they wont have gone as far as obtaining a court Judgement.
When a matter goes to court, it could swing either-way.
The real owner could have lost the land to the fraudster as well.

You are looking at the matter from the angle of "money wasted" but it goes beyond just money, when you ask the victim.
Emotional distress, public embarrassment, rubbed ego, cost of litigation, anxiety over possible outcome, e.t.c are some of the issues that have come to play, on the victims side.
A lot of people without the means to fight for justice, have lost their rightful property to some others who have more money than them so, when judgements like this are passed, it should be executed to the letter to send a message to other greedy usurpers.

If we should decide issues based on emotions like empathy, then like the Bible said, "We should do so very quickly before the matter gets to court".

Once a matter gets to a Court, ALL bets are off.

Reasonableness, Empathy, Right/Wrong thinking, e.t.c are meant for sensible people and sensible people dont take what belongs to others, refuse to give it up on demand, engage lawyers to defend their GREED and when they lose, expect the victim to be sensible.

We may defer on this approach (and l respect your position) but l am yet to see one person or example who displayed such "sensibleness" in this type of land matter, if they have a choice.


NB: this is just a hypothetical example, l am not really sure of what led to that bulldozing.

Excuzeme:


You are right on one side of the coin.

On the other side, if it was your land that someone forcefully acquired and rushed a building on it thinking you cant do anything once he builds on it.
You took pains to go to court and finally, got a judgement that he should remove his building.
Would you ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO BE SENSIBLE AND GIVE THE UNFORTUNATE OWNER TO RIGHTLY PROCURE IT?

I am just asking o.

Greed is at the root of most problems.

Ofcourse ... the opportunity to "Rightly' procure it, which will obviously be from the genuine owner.
The owner of that building would gladly pay thrice the market value of that land than loose his whole investment. He might as well sell the building to the genuine land owner for whatever the land owner is willing to pay
There are various ways to resolve such situations without the needles waste.

msogunro:


Ok. The photo makes it seem as if it's tile. I wasn't sure.

Thank you.

You're welcome sir

Lifted1:

Ofcourse ... the opportunity to "Rightly' procure it, which will obviously be from the genuine owner.
The owner of that building would gladly pay thrice the market value of that land than loose his whole investment. He might as well sell the building to the genuine land owner for whatever the land owner is willing to pay
There are various ways to resolve such situations without the needles waste.

Yes, he would, now that there is a Judgement that says he must vacate his building immediately.
Why would he not be willing to do this, before the judgement went against him?

Why did he not approach the owner of the land, put such option on the table and promise to fulfill it', so as to discourage the real owner from going to court to seek redress?

What l am saying in essence is that:

If you take what belongs to somebody:
- Own-up first and accept responsibility
-Apologize for your greed and show remorse (fake or real)
-Put an irresistible offer on the table for the victim to consider.
-Do everything to prevent the aggrieved from seeking Justice in a Law Court
- if Victim is still adamant they want their thing back, GIVE TI TO THEM (it was never yours in the first place).

We must do unto others, as we want others to do unto us, says the Good Book.
You cant claim to want to make peace or be reasonable, after a torturous and expensive Court process that did not go in your favor.

Let me ask: if the Court judgement was in his favour (Court has asked him to keep the Land and house on it), would he call the aggrieved person and make peace offerings of "another choice land and expenses" or would he station Police to arrest the man if he ever dared to come near the land?

Excuzeme:


My Oga at anything PAINTS, I salute.


Some issues are beyond money!

If they could do all you wrote up there Sir, l think they wont have gone as far as obtaining a court Judgement.
When a matter goes to court, it could swing either-way.
The real owner could have lost the land to the fraudster as well.

You are looking at the matter from the angle of "money wasted" but it goes beyond just money, when you ask the victim.
Emotional distress, public embarrassment, rubbed ego, cost of litigation, anxiety over possible outcome, e.t.c are some of the issues that have come to play, on the victims side.
A lot of people without the means to fight for justice, have lost their rightful property to some others who have more money than them so, when judgements like this are passed, it should be executed to the letter to send a message to other greedy usurpers.

If we should decide issues based on emotions like empathy, then like the Bible said, "We should do so very quickly before the matter gets to court".

Once a matter gets to a Court, ALL bets are off.

Reasonableness, Empathy, Right/Wrong thinking, e.t.c are meant for sensible people and sensible people dont take what belongs to others, refuse to give it up on demand, engage lawyers to defend their GREED and when they lose, expect the victim to be sensible.

We may defer on this approach (and l respect your position) but l am yet to see one person or example who displayed such "sensibleness" in this type of land matter, if they have a choice.


NB: this is just a hypothetical example, l am not really sure of what led to that bulldozing.

You are very correct sir it's all hypothesis and we don't know the story behind it.
It's very plausible that there must have been some intense altercation with possibility of resolution impossible to resort to such drastic action.
A matter of principle by both parties.

Excuzeme:


The real owner could have lost the land to the fraudster as well.

it should be executed to the letter to send a message to other greedy usurpers.

Reasonableness, Empathy, Right/Wrong thinking, e.t.c are meant for sensible people and sensible people dont take what belongs to others,

l am yet to see one person or example who displayed such "sensibleness" in this type of land matter.
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In response to the first three paragraphs.... innocent people buy resold lands everyday, infact a good number of land disputes are between parties who were sold the same land by the thieving omoniles. So assuming the builder is greedy or a fraud is a little rash.

And i know atleast three such situations in which the house builder had to re-buy the land from the party that won the case. Right here in okota , no be say them say.

In any case no body is really sure of the circumstances surrounding the demolition. Such waste just doesn't make any sense to me

Lifted1:


In response to the first three paragraphs.... innocent people buy resold lands everyday, infact a good number of land disputes are between parties who were sold the same land by the thieving omoniles. So assuming the builder is greedy or a fraud is a little rash.

And i know atleast three such situations in which the house builder had to re-buy the land from the party that won the case. Right here in okota , no be say them say.

In any case no body is really sure of the circumstances surrounding the demolition. Such waste just doesn't make any sense to me

Sir,
I said this is all hypothetical. We are just saying all these for discussion-sake.

But if one buys a land and is duped by an omo-Onile (your example), the best thing to do is to still go through the steps l mentioned earlier, as reproduced below:


- Own-up first and accept responsibility that you were duped by Omo-onile (It is still not your land, you were only duped)
[s]-Apologize for your greed and show remorse (fake or real)[/s]
-Put an irresistible offer on the table for the victim (real owner) to consider.
-Do everything to prevent the aggrieved from seeking Justice in a Law Court
- if Victim is still adamant they want their thing back, U GIVE TI TO THEM (it was never yours in the first place).

What you must never do is GO TO COURT with the real owner, employ Lawyers to defend you on trying to take what does not belong to you (you were duped so you should take the fraudster-Omo-Onile to Court so they can refund your money and get punished) and then expect any sympathy at the end of the day, if you lose the case!

The moment you start defending your position (taking what you know rightly belongs to another person) IN COURT, then you lose any sympathy you would have got from anyone who stands with Justice.

Buying or selling it is at the discretion of the rightful owner. \
The bad blood caused by the court case makes such situation very unlikely, in real situations

Excuzeme:


Sir,
I said this is all hypothetical. We are just saying all these for discussion-sake.

But if one buys a land and is duped by an omo-Onile (your example), the best thing to do is to still go through the steps l mentioned earlier, as reproduced below:


- Own-up first and accept responsibility that you were duped by Omo-onile (It is still not your land, you were only duped)
[s]-Apologize for your greed and show remorse (fake or real)[/s]
-Put an irresistible offer on the table for the victim (real owner) to consider.
-Do everything to prevent the aggrieved from seeking Justice in a Law Court
- if Victim is still adamant they want their thing back, U GIVE TI TO THEM (it was never yours in the first place).

What you must never do is GO TO COURT with the real owner, employ Lawyers to defend you on trying to take what does not belong to you (you were duped so you should take the fraudster-Omo-Onile to Court so they can refund your money and get punished) and then expect any sympathy at the end of the day, if you lose the case!

The moment you start defending your position (taking what you know rightly belongs to another person) IN COURT, then you lose any sympathy you would have got from anyone who stands with Justice.

Buying or selling it is at the discretion of the rightful owner. \
The bad blood caused by the court case makes such situation very unlikely, in real situations

The question then arises.... who determines the rightful owner, because as far as both parties are concerned each believes himself the rightful owners.
If you're sitting in your house and somebody shows up one morning telling you have built on his land, and you both don't have a C of O, do you just cede your property like that?? Absolutely not.. you go to court.

Lifted1:

Ohh, my bad sir.
makes sense now.
Thanks for the kind response. Do you sell cables too?

Yes we do

gbadexy:

You are very correct sir it's all hypothesis and we don't know the story behind it.
It's very plausible that there must have been some intense altercation with possibility of resolution impossible to resort to such drastic action.
A matter of principle by both parties.

Exactly Sir.
That is why l said one should resolve the issue very quickly without allowing it to go to court.
Nobody comes back from court, and becomes friend because our court system does not resolve issues, they lay BLAME and punish the loser.

If say at the early stage, one meets the real owner and explain that you were duped and you agree that the land is not your own (most liley no building on it by then), you can decide to vacate the land immediately.
if there was a building on it, you can still ask the owner to suggest what he/she think you can do, without having to lose the building so you can settle it.
Some would offer to sell the land to you at a very good price that would allow them to get a similar land + expenses, elsewhere.
It is now left to you to agree to such terms.
Some other would insist they want their land but l am sure with a little more pleading and an irresistible offer, they will finally come to terms.
Good words usually draw sympathy.

But if you challenge their right of ownership, tell them to go to blazes or do their worst, allow them to file a case in court, employ lawyers to defend your own position and then you lose the case, only to expect some "sympathy" because of how much your house cost?
Well, l am sorry, the opportunity is lost.

allCopacetic:

Yes we do

Oh, i thought it was limited to the items in your catalogues, I'll be in touch thanks.

Lifted1:

The question then arises.... who determines the rightful owner, because as far as both parties are concerned they bought the same land.
If you're sitting in your house and somebody shows up one morning telling you have built on his land, and you both don't have a C of O, do you just cede your property like that?? Absolutely not.. you go to court.

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There have been many of such cases already decided in LAW COURTS Sir.

The position of the law is that whoever owns something FIRST, has a SUBSISTING Right of Ownership on the same thing, if he/she has not contracted to sell/transfer such right to another person.

Whoever has the first 'properly processed' C of O is the owner of the land.

Its not about what each party thinks, it is about what the LAW/COURTS say.
You can both compare the documents you have and it will be obvious to both of you who is at fault.
But you can still decide not to accept the glaring truth.

The second person who carries another C-of-O on the same land with a prior C of O is carrying a counterfeit C of O because a land should have only one ownership. He was DUPED by Civil Servants who issued him a C of O on a land already rightfully acquired and properly processed by the same authority.

I am not a Lawyer Sir so dont take my word too seriously.

Excuzeme:
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There have been many of such cases already decided in LAW COURTS Sir.

The position of the law is that whoever owns something FIRST, has a SUBSISTING Right of Ownership on the same thing, if he/she has not contracted to sell/transfer such right to another person.

Whoever has the first 'properly processed' C of O is the owner of the land.

Its not about what each party thinks, it is about what the LAW/COURTS say.
You can both compare the documents you have and it will be obvious to both of you who is at fault.
But you can still decide not to accept the glaring truth.

The second person who carries another C-of-O on the same land with a prior C of O is carrying a counterfeit C of O because a land should have only one ownership. He was DUPED by Civil Servants who issued him a C of O on a land already rightfully acquired and properly processed by the same authority.

I am not a Lawyer Sir so dont take my word too seriously.

That's my point exactly, you're making it sound like it's so easy to settle these kind of issues out of court over a bottle of b beer.
They are both agitated, they both strongly believe in rightful ownership, so the next logical step would be going to court.
So your position that the individual who lost the case lost his chance at making a truce by proceeding to court in the first place is contradictory, he's not in court because he's stubborn, he's in court because he seeks validation of his ownership claim as does the other party

Lifted1:

That's my point exactly, you're making it sound like it's so easy to settle these kind of issues out of court over a bottle of b beer.
They are both agitated, they both strongly believe in rightful ownership, so the next logical step would be going to court.
So your position that the individual who lost the case lost his chance at making a truce by proceeding to court in the first place is contradictory, he's not in court because he's stubborn, he's in court because he seeks validation of his ownership claim as does the other party

At the bolded:
I am sure you did not READ the above from my posts.
it was your imagination or interpretation of what l wrote.

If someone comes with a C-of-O that is original and predates the one the other party is carrying and he still wants to believe he is the rightful owner of the land in contention, then he is just being obstinate if he thinks court is the way to go.
You are only hoping against hope, that one way or the other, Justice would be perverted in your favour!
The Court is not there to validate fraud!
Judges are humanbeings like us with a balanced sense of right/wrong.

Anyway, let us drop the matter.
We are just making hypothetical assumptions and we both have made valid points and stated our case.

I beg that l be excused of this issue at this point.
Thank you for your own contribution Sir.

Lifted1:

...and you both don't have a C of O....

@excuzeme the above was the premise of my position to start with.

I heard from a reliable source that there will be a significant increase in cost of cement.

Can anyone co firm this?
Thanks

ANBAKO:
I heard from a reliable source that there will be a significant increase in cost of cement.

Can anyone co firm this?
Thanks

Yes oo it's 1700 already here

twinskenny:


Yes oo it's 1700 already here

My source told me it will be above 2000 NGN.

My advise, if you have money you can buy some.

Cement clocking N2,000 per bag.


It is well with us.

Bought at the rate N1650 on Saturday but i got Dangote for N2000 today while Lafarge distributor in my area insisted on N2500 per bag.

ANBAKO:
I heard from a reliable source that there will be a significant increase in cost of cement.

Can anyone co firm this?
Thanks

Hello my people. My site engineer just called me to tell me cement now sells for 2,600 naira! Is this a joke or something? We were about to make blocks from 80 bags of cement. That is an extra 80,000 naira to send. Please people is this a momentary thing? Will the prices drop tomorrow or next week?

Site Location: Ibadan (Poly area).

Na wa for this change. That's how all other building materials and chemicals are increasing every other day.
The dollar is still rising against naira as usual.
I told my mum about the price increase of cement and she said she was just about to send money to someone to get 50 bags. I told her she too is feeling the direct impact of the government she always supports.
May God continue to make it easy for every one here.

olapluto:
Hello my people. My site engineer just called me to tell me cement now sells for 2,600 naira! Is this a joke or something? We were about to make blocks from 80 bags of cement. That is an extra 80,000 naira to send. Please people is this a momentary thing? Will the prices drop tomorrow or next week?

Site Location: Ibadan (Poly area).

Nor B joke oh,I just bough same for my work like just now, we don DIE

ANBAKO:


My source told me it will be above 2000 NGN.

My advise, if you have money you can buy some.

Its up already i n PH, they added N600, making it N2200, and I heard its going up more, shame we cannot store cement as much as we would love ot if not I 4 store them like now

But why the sharp increase. I still dont have any reasonable explanation. Is Dangote importing cement now? Naira did not drop by 50% now. Is it just market panic? Cement always tend to stabilize though. Should I pause work on site or carry on?