firestar:
Commendable work you're doing JMAN05.

Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

Emusan:


Which work is he doing please?

Can you answer this: you believe some people will survive the Armageddon and that people pay the wages for their sins at death.
Now my question is; when did people who survive the Armageddon pay for their sins?

With that rude response, I commend him further. Show proper courtesy please.

firestar:


With that rude response, I commend him further. Show proper courtesy please.

Show me what rude in my post, just highlight them!

Don't forget to answer my question

Emusan:


Show me what rude in my post, just highlight them!

Don't forget to answer my question

Emusan.
You are rude.

firestar:

Emusan. You are rude.

Lol...typical JWs

I don't tolerate rude behaviour Emusan.
You will be addressed as one lacking courtesy in manner of speech.

You of all people should discern that if you require answers, at least be polite.

alolatee:


Bro, don't waste ur precious time arguing with Jehovah wickedness(as my pastor then in the university used to call them).They are worse than Muslims and Atheists.

Your post reeks of hypocrisy, self-righteousness and promotion of hatred. Very typical of christians of the pentecostal stock! Your so-called pastor is not one of worthy emulation either. He should be promoting peace and not teaching people to utter hate comments. No one is better or worse than anyone.
From my experience, I'm ready to transact businesses with JWs without much fear of being scammed than transact with someone who calls himself ''Pastor''. Once you mention ''Pastor'', I stay more alert!

kevoh:

Your post reeks of hypocrisy, self-righteousness and promotion of hatred. Very typical of christians of the pentecostal stock! Your so-called pastor is not one of worthy emulation either. He should be promoting peace and not teaching people to utter hate comments. No one is better or worse than anyone.
From my experience, I'm ready to transact businesses with JWs without much fear of being scammed than transact with someone who calls himself ''Pastor''. Once you mention ''Pastor'', I stay more alert!

Thanks for this.

While I hate how heartless Jehovas witnesses can be, they are some of the most straightforward people you will meet.

Pls l want to the sequence of events between critical time and when earth will become parade

The bible says Santan will be bound and he will be posed again,pls explain what happens before and after that

JMAN05:


For those who fear Him, yes.



Yes.

Good.

1) With "yes" to both questions, God is "the everlasting/eternal father, being the father of all mankind and spirits and also having an everlasting/eternal nature/attribute. Succinctly!

2) There was another question, "How many everlasting fathers do we have as recorded in the scriptures" you answered "only one". Beautiful!

3) With confirmation from you that Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 was talking about Christ, that declared Christ, as "the everlasting/eternal father. Finitely!

Therefore, Christ is God. Unmistakably!

Why do you deny Christ his rightful deity status?

Can any Jehovah witness answer this questions,

Who is the Lord of lords and King of kings?

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?

Who sustains the world with his word?

Who has the key of death and hell?

Who is the way, the truth, the life and the life?

Who made the heaven and earth by his own hands?

Who are we to believe in to have everlasting life?

Who is going to appear and Judge the world?

Who will all nations eventually serve?

Whose name are we to call for everlasting life?

Whose name are we to pray through?

Whose name are we baptise into?

Who is the beginning and the end?

jnrbayano:


Good.

1) With "yes" to both questions, God is "the everlasting/eternal father, being the father of all mankind and spirits and also having an everlasting/eternal nature/attribute. Succinctly!

God is Father to those who fear Him, mind you. He is father to even Jesus himself just as God, Jehovah is father to us. Jehovah is also God to Jesus just He is to us. Read john 20:17. Don't you think that if Jesus was the almighty God, he need not have a God just as we do? What do u think?

If you say God Jehovah is " the everlasting father", you are mistaken cos that phrase is a title applied to Jesus at Isaiah 9:6, not to Jehovah.

2) There was another question, "How many everlasting fathers do we have as recorded in the scriptures" you answered "only one". Beautiful!

I certainly don't think we have more than one Eternal Fathers, that title only appear in Isaiah 9:6. And it was applied to Jesus. He is the eternal father in the sense that faithful humans gain eternal life cos of his ransom sacrifice. That's all. He himself has the same father as we do. His Father and our Father is Jehovah. Matt 6:9. But do you think Jehovah himself has someone He calls Father?

3) With confirmation from you that Isaiah's prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 was talking about Christ, that declared Christ, as "the everlasting/eternal father. Finitely!

Yap.

Therefore, Christ is God. Unmistakably!

Why do you deny Christ his rightful deity status?

I do not say that Christ could not be called a God as a title. He could, but He is not a worshipful God. His Father and God is Jehovah (John 20:17). He stated that the only person that deserve worship is Jehovah (Luke 4:. Christ worshiped God. Now do u think a deity should have a God he worships?

You analogy could be referred to Ahitophel. Now since he is a wonderful counselor, does it now make him Christ? Isaiah 9:6.

firestar:
Commendable work you're doing JMAN05.

Thanks. How are u dear?

Sarassin:


I agree with you on the ultimate futility of a debate on the manner of the death of Jesus, afterall the man died. I also take your correction on the term “Stauros”. I do think there is a wider issue from a historical perspective of veracity, so I am curious as to what historical imperatives informs JW view that Jesus was impaled ?

I do agree with you somewhat that the cross is not the indisputable symbol of Christianity, it wasn’t always. Early Christian art and depictions particularly in the Flavian catacombs make it clear that the earliest symbol of Christianity was the symbol of the Fish, this symbol likely pre-dated Jesus himself, it was ditched in favour of the cross in my view because of the connotations it bore to the Babylonian Fisher-god, Ioannes.

As I said earlier, the issue is extraneous. However, the basic meaning of stauros is stake, not cross. Additionally, another Greek word used in describing the instrument of Christ's death is xylon. Now these word mostly means a wood, never a cross.

You have a lot of questions there, pls let's take it one after the other. Which question will you want me to answer first? Pick one pls.

TheSixthSense:
Honestly, I get disturbed when I read about your doctrine. I know there are variations in doctrine among the protestants but it's all good and love when the focus is on Jesus Christ as the author and finisher of our faith. But JWs are different and way off in my opinion. And with so much information - videos, articles, texts - especially in this era, the truth cannot be hidden from anyone.

Anyway, correct my assertions if you may but these are my questions:

1. JWs believe Jesus is inferior to God the Father, and don't believe He ressurected/ascended into heaven. who is Jesus to JWs? What is the basis of your faith/religion? Also when Jesus said in John 8:58
'Truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am' In John 14:9 '...He who has seen me has seen the Father' How does your bible translation read these scriptures? In Rom 8:11 'And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who dwells within you.' (The colored emphasis for my second question)

2 Your bible translation does not recognise the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, Spirit of truth, as Him and God but rather 'active force'. How does your translation read in Matt 12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come' also in Eph 4:30 'And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom (a person, not it) you were sealed for the day of redemption' which leads to my next question

3 Do JWs get born again or are they born into JW? Do JWs get baptised by immersion? If you are baptised in what name? Jesus instructed in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit since you don't regard the Holy Spirit, How do you get baptised?
If you get born again, what happens?
In 1 Cor 12:13 'For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink'
Again you do not recognised the Holy Spirit so what does this read in your translation and how are they interpreted?

4. Why no everlasting torment in Hell? The bible mentioned several times this in Matt 25:8, Rev 21:8, 2 Thes 1:9, Matt 13:50, Mark 9:43, Jude 1:7 and many times. How does your translation read these scriptures? and what do you believe?

5. JWs believe all prophecies, miracles and gifts have all ceased. No casting out demons, nothing. So why does one need to go for your meetings. Isn't the purpose defeated if it's just rote learning about what God and His people did and waiting for the world to end. How long can one endure that?
What does this mean then to JWs in 2 Tim 3:5 'having some form of godliness and denying the power thereof....'

I won't even elaborate on the blood transfusion issue I heard is even denied babies. But don't you guys think, like the mormons, claiming that only your books are legitimate scripture in christianity - JWs are not regarded as christians - calls for 'do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God...' and 'test all things hold fast what is good'

JMAN05:


God is Father to those who fear Him, mind you. He is father to even Jesus himself just as God, Jehovah is father to us. Jehovah is also God to Jesus just He is to us. Read john 20:17. Don't you think that if Jesus was the almighty God, he need not have a God just as we do? What do u think?

If you say God Jehovah is " the everlasting father", you are mistaken cos that phrase is a title applied to Jesus at Isaiah 9:6, not to Jehovah.



I certainly don't think we have more than one Eternal Fathers, that title only appear in Isaiah 9:6. And it was applied to Jesus. He is the eternal father in the sense that faithful humans gain eternal life cos of his ransom sacrifice. That's all. He himself has the same father as we do. His Father and our Father is Jehovah. Matt 6:9. But do you think Jehovah himself has someone He calls Father?



Yap.



I do not say that Christ could not be called a God as a title. He could, but He is not a worshipful God. His Father and God is Jehovah (John 20:17). He stated that the only person that deserve worship is Jehovah (Luke 4:. Christ worshiped God. Now do u think a deity should have a God he worships?

You analogy could be referred to Ahitophel. Now since he is a wonderful counselor, does it now make him Christ? Isaiah 9:6.

Nothing can bend you. Absolutely. No point continuing.

You can quote each question and mention me. I don't mind

JMAN05:
You have a lot of questions there, pls let's take it one after the other. Which question will you want me to answer first? Pick one pls.

Segehvoice:
Pls l want to the sequence of events between critical time and when earth will become parade

What you are asking for is quite huge.

The bible describe the last days as critical time. 2tim 3:1-5.

In effect, you asking to know the sequence of events from when the last days began and when the earth will become a paradise.

These list is by no mean detailed.

- Worldwide hardship and war will kickstart the last days, but it will equally match the enthronement of Jesus in heaven as he ousts Satan. Matt 24:3

- the world will experience a drastic turn of events. Nation will rise against nation, food shortages, pestilences. See matt 24:1-14. Also Luke 21:7-19

- Preaching will be a remarkable feature of the end, and this time to all the nations as a witness to them. Matt 24:14.

- the Babylon the great, world empire of false religion, will one day be hated by the "wild beast", who will eat her up by the instigation of God. Rev 17:3-18. This will happen when they are shouting " peace and security". 2thes 5:3. This will mark the start of the great tribulation.

- After this, the " wild beast" will turn on Gods people. Ezek 38:2,11. And it will be severe. Matt 24:21 but the days for it will be cut short. Verse 22. This space will allow for the heavenly class to be taken to heaven. Matt 24:31

- Jesus will make a separation of the sheep and the goat. Matt 24:32,33

- the goat will be destroyed. Matt 24:46; this will amrk the end of the great tribulation, Armageddon. 2thes 1:6-9. Rev 16:14-16.

- the survivors of Armageddon/great tribulation will be blessed. Rev 7:14-17

- the earth will gradually be turned into a paradise, and people therein gradually be made perfect. ROM 8:18-21

- resurrection of the dead will take place, likely in phases. Acts 24:15

Segehvoice:
The bible says Santan will be bound and he will be posed again,pls explain what happens before and after that

Rev 20:1-3 explains that. After the destruction of bad people on earth, and before the 1000 year rulership of Christ, Satan will be abyssed so that he doesn't go on deceiving people.

After the 1000 years, he will be released for a little while. He will gain many followers. However, he will eventually be destroyed with his demons and cohorts. Rev 20:7-10.

solite3:
Can any Jehovah witness answer this questions,

Who is the Lord of lords and King of kings?

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?

Who sustains the world with his word?

Who has the key of death and hell?

Who is the way, the truth, the life and the life?

Who made the heaven and earth by his own hands?

Who are we to believe in to have everlasting life?

Who is going to appear and Judge the world?

Who will all nations eventually serve?

Whose name are we to call for everlasting life?

Whose name are we to pray through?

Whose name are we baptise into?

Who is the beginning and the end?

I appreciate if you take it one after the other. I know you think Jesus is the answer to all of them. But that's not true.

Ranchhoddas:
Okay. Who is Paul Grundy

An apostate. I don't want to discuss him.

JMAN05:


An apostate. I don't want to discuss him.

Fine. Yes or No. Are any of his claims true?

Thesixthsense

1. JWs believe Jesus is inferior to God the Father, and don't believe He ressurected/ascended into heaven. who is Jesus to JWs? What is the basis of your faith/religion? Also when Jesus said in John 8:58
'Truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am' In John 14:9 '...He who has seen me has seen the Father' How does your bible translation read these scriptures? In Rom 8:11 'And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who dwells within you.' (The colored emphasis for my second question)

Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith. The doctrine of JWs are based on the scripture.

Yes, whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father also. Why? Cos they are in unity. In fact, Jesus is the representative of his Father, Jehovah. But he is inferior to the Father, let's go down the chapter you quoted. Read the same John 14, this time verse 28. 'The Father is greater than I am". Do you think this shows that Jesus view the Father as superior? In verse 31, Jesus stated that what he speaks is in accordance with the command given to him by God. Is this not remarkable proof?

What point do u want to make from that Romans 11?

2 Your bible translation does not recognise the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, Spirit of truth, as Him and God but rather 'active force'. How does your translation read in Matt 12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come' also in Eph 4:30 'And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom (a person, not it) you were sealed for the day of redemption' which leads to my next question

There are places where the holy spirit is personified. This need not be taken literally just like proverb 8 about wisdom does not mean that wisdom is a person.

That Eph 4:30 calls it "holy spirit of God". Again, have you noticed that the holy spirit doesn't have a name? Gods son is Jesus, our God is Jehovah, what is the name of the holy spirit.

Thirdly, in each vision that Gods servants had had in the bible no one has ever seen the holy spirit before standing or sitting down. When Stephen saw a heavenly vision, he saw Jesus staying in Gods right hand, but where went the holy spirit?

Fourthly, the holy spirit can fall on one million persons at the same time. Now is that the description of a person? What will be its shape if these persons depart to different locations? No wonder its often had the sense of a wind!

3 Do JWs get born again or are they born into JW? Do JWs get baptised by immersion? If you are baptised in what name? Jesus instructed in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit since you don't regard the Holy Spirit, How do you get baptised?

We do get born again. However, people give " born again" a meaning different from what is outlined into the scriptures. See why born again is: John 3:1-6

A mere shouting "I accept Jesus as my personal lord and savior" is not born again.

We get baptised in the name of (ie, in the authority of) Father and of the son and of the holy spirit.

If you get born again, what happens?
In 1 Cor 12:13 'For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink'
Again you do not recognised the Holy Spirit so what does this read in your translation and how are they interpreted

Born again is performed by God himself. It is not something you get on ur own.

Ranchhoddas:
Fine. Yes or No. Are any of his claims true?

I don't read his post. So I don't know his claim. Am barred from discussing with an apostate. 1cor 5:11.

JMAN05:


I appreciate if you take it one after the other. I know you think Jesus is the answer to all of them. But that's not true.

you can answer them in turn.

solite3:
Can any Jehovah witness answer this questions,

Who is the Lord of lords and King of kings?

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?

Who sustains the world with his word?

Who has the key of death and hell?

Who is the way, the truth, the life and the life?

Who made the heaven and earth by his own hands?

Who are we to believe in to have everlasting life?

Who is going to appear and Judge the world?

Who will all nations eventually serve?

Whose name are we to call for everlasting life?

Whose name are we to pray through?

Whose name are we baptise into?

Who is the beginning and the end?

I will answer your questions, however you will please answer mine too thereafter.

Wherever I answer "God" have in mind I'm referring to YHWH/Jehovah. I didn't give further explanations to my answers because in my later questions, you would find scriptures that assert my point. I await your answers.



Who is the Lord of lords and King of kings?

Ans= God

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?

Ans= Jesus, but with exception to God's throne.

Who sustains the world with his word?

Ans= God

Who has the key of death and hell?

Ans= Jesus, because it was granted him by his father.

Who is the way, the truth, and the life ?

Ans= Jesus, he is the medium for salvation.

Who made the heaven and earth by his own hands?

Ans= God

Who are we to believe in to have everlasting life?

Ans= the only true God and his son Jesus.

Who is going to appear and Judge the world?

Ans= Jesus, the role was given him by his father.

Who will all nations eventually serve?

Ans= God

Whose name are we to call for everlasting life?

Ans= God

Whose name are we to pray through?

Ans= Jesus. We pray through Jesus, to God his father.

Whose name are we baptise into?

Ans= father, son and Holy Spirit.

Who is the beginning and the end?

Ans= God





If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)

4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"wink

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)

48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.


If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that

"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

. LUKE 9:51-56.

51. And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
52. And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
54. And when his Disciples James and John saw this, they said,
"Lord, wilt thou that we command Fire to come down from Heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?"
55. But he turned, and rebuked them, and said,
"Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56. "For the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
And they went to another village.

The OYINBO invented a Doctrine whereby INTERPRETATION of The Apostles' Teaching supersedes THE GOSPEL OF YAHSHUA.

Namely: THEY SAID that THE APOSTLES FORBADE BLOOD TRANSFUSION.

Since the OYINBO KNOW that THEY CANNOT suffer from SICKLE CELL ANAEMIA, this Doctrine is specifically imposed TO KILL BLACK PEOPLE.

YAHSHUA SPECIFICALLY TAUGHT THAT HEALING PEOPLE AND SAVING LIVES SUPERSEDES SPECIFIC COMMANDMENTS THAT SAY: "LET THEIR SUFFERING AND DEATH CONTINUE."

Therefore he Healed people on the Sabbath Day, and permitted his Hungry Disciples to harvest corn on the Sabbath Day, when the TORAH PENALTY for doing so is DEATH.

Since THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY appears to be specifically introduced to KILL AFRICAN BLACKS, we should be EXTREMELY STUPID to join it.

Also, your Church is unable to Heal the Sick or Deformed- but when your members go to REAL Churches for Healing, then they are EXPELLED- as if they have done something WRONG?

As in the case of DAVID TROMBLEY, who took his CLUB FOOTED DAUGHTER to a Charismatic Church, and she was INSTANTLY HEALED.

When he testified of this, HE WAS EXPELLED IMMEDIATELY! All his Works for their "Church," that he was told was recorded for ever in Heaven, were summarily expunged.

This is how JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES (sic) treat even their own- why should BLACK people be so foolish as to join up?

[See: KICKED OUT OF THE KINGDOM, by David Trombley (with Son Basham.]

SHALOM!

JMAN05:


I don't read his post. So I don't know his claim. Am barred from discussing with an apostate. 1cor 5:11.

Who has the authority to supersede the Commandment of MOSES?

. LEVITICUS 19:17-18.

Who has the authority to supersede the Commandment of YAHSHUA?

. MATTHEW 18:15-18.

YOU FOOLS THINK SO HIGHLY OF YOUR MAN-MADE HUMAN IDOLS.

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Wherever I answer "God" have in mind I'm referring to YHWH/Jehovah. I didn't give further explanations to my answers because in my later questions, you would find scriptures that assert my point. I await your answers.

Although these questions were not directed to you but you are nonetheless welcome.

Who is the Lord of lords and King of kings?
Ans= God

good!
Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

That means Jesus is God.

Who has all authority both in heaven and on earth?
Ans= Jesus, but with exception to God's throne.

No! God's throne is not exempted.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out [b[b]]of the throne of God and of the Lamb.[/b]
Jesus is God!

Who sustains the world with his word?Ans= God

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and [b]upholding all things by the word of his power, [/b]when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Wonderful! Jesus is the one sustaining all things.

Who has the key of death and hell?
Ans= Jesus, because it was granted him by his father.

why will God grant another being such power? Except that Jesus is God.

Who is the way, the truth, and the life ?
Ans= Jesus, he is the medium for salvation.

Jehovah declared himself as the medium of salvation.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Who made the heaven and earth by his own hands?
Ans= God

that means Jesus must be God!
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Who are we to believe in to have everlasting life?
Ans= the only true God and his son Jesus.

we can't serve two masters.
That means God and his son must be one.

Who is going to appear and Judge the world?
Ans= Jesus, the role was given him by his father.

But Jehovah didn't say he is going to delegate such role.
Psalms 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

Who will all nations eventually serve?
Ans= God

Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Whose name are we to call for everlasting life?
Ans= God

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Whose name are we to pray through?
Ans= Jesus. We pray through Jesus, to God his father.

in the old testament prayer was done through Jehovah's name why did God transfer such glory to another If Jesus is not God?
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. [/color]

Whose name are we to be baptised into?
And=father, son and holy Spirit

lol And which name is that? Jesus!
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Who is the beginning and the end?
Ans= God

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[quote]If Jesus is Almighty God...
1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)
2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)
3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)
4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)
5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?
6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)
7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?
8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)
9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)
10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?
11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)
12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)
13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)
14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)
15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)
16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)
17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)
18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)
19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)
20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)
21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)
22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)
23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)
24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)
25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV
26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)
27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)
28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)
29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)
30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)
31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)
32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)
33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)
34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"wink
35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?
36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)
37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)
38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)
39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)
40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)
41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)
42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)
43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)
44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)
45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)
46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)
47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)
49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)
50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?
51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)
52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)
53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.
54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.

Jesus is both man and God, as a man he is less than God but glorified and will be made subject.
As a man he was given glory, power and authority.
Jesus refer to his father as the only true god which means all other gods are false.
But Jesus is not another God but one with the father.
Jesus is called the son of God telling you he has same nature with God.
The father giving him all authority shows he is God.
Even the Jews wanted to stone him.
No body can see God because he is a Spirit.
But the word became flesh.
When the bible said nobody can see God it means you can't see God in his Spiritual form. But God has been manifesting in different ways.
Jesus is God's manifestation ( the first in the history of creation) in the flesh.
In John 1;1 it is clearly written that the word is God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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@ JMAN05 , good answers sir, just seeing the thread, don't know why it was not indicated when you mentioned my moniker.
@ BIBLESPEAKS , don't expect an answer to your questions, I asked only one question in another thread and I'm still waiting for an answer .

note: some only have the aim of finding fault, they are not asking cus they want answers.
you must have noticed that after you answer some, next comes derogatory speech, accusations and vile response, so guys, I wish you answer only those who are ready to state their present beliefs and the present religious organization, body or association they associate with. They must be ready to tell you the name of their church , why?, cus some will call you dirty while they hide in a refuse dump.

the sons of Charles Taze have created a thread here too. You ran away from my thread when I showed you that Charles Taze Russell was your former leader. The prominent man, born in 1852 and made a lot of false predictions in his publications has been able to plant his deceit in those who have accepted to identify with the Jehova witness organisation

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Read about the fraud called Charles Taze in the various books he published. I wonder why you his followers refused to learn about your history. Psalm11:3, if the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Flee from hell fire. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.