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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:12pm On Sep 13, 2016
Indian navy INS Kolkata and INS Aditya in Mombasa harbour, Kenya ,on a goodwill visit aimed at enhancing bi-lateral ties.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:14pm On Sep 13, 2016
indian navy INS Kolkata and INS Aditya in Mombasa harbour, Kenya on a goodwill visit aimed at enhancing bi-lateral ties.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:18pm On Sep 13, 2016
RAdm Ravneet Singh FOCWF inspects Guard of Honour at Kenyan Navy HQ

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:25pm On Sep 13, 2016
frumentius:


1) Correct on the 1st photo; deliberately included to further persuade @Henry24 as to the utility of RDRVs: when your president has to fly to a hot, kinetic and dicey situation in a dodgy capital with 48-hours notice, your SF has to deploy appropriately within that time-frame and with available airlift in mind. How you deploy requisite number of LAVs (Henry's preferred vehicle for SF) with Herc C-130s (still the standard airlift A/C for most militaries on our continent) at such short notice still eludes me.

We got 10 Hornets & trailers from 5Recce in various configurations (C4ISR, personnel carrier, MRL/mortar/AGL/20mm&12.7mm MG) in 48 hours into Burundi (talk about rapid deploment!) with almost 50 operators and ended up protecting and escorting from the airport to Bujumbura State House not only our president, but also those from Senegal, Gabon, Mauritania and Ethiopia under the auspices of the AU.

Same thing SASFB did in Monrovia, Liberia back in 2003 when those 2 giants of African diplomacy, Mbeki and Obasanjo, forced Charles Taylor to resign and go into exile;

2) Last I was at Denel, there were 2 Cheetahs there;

3) Your answer is not complete - its more than your "run-of-the-mill" CSIR pod. What is it and why is it so important?

If i'm being honest, SASF RDRVs are a perfect rapid deployment/recon vehicle. Operationally, they have proved their worth. Small, nimble, armoured, properly armed, can be heavily armed also, and they carry a decent amount of SF. However, i do like the fact the soldiers at the rear are spaced out.

The Gunners look quite comfortable too. The scenario also describes the vehicle. It was built for actions like these.


At the moment, the Reva FAV is my ideal vehicle for RDRVs. I do get a filling that we don't quite fancy them, the Honker plays the same role as Hornet or Reva RDRVs, yet we only deploy them in bases. Hopefully, as we continue to grow our SF, we would begin to see the requirements of RDRVs as an essential working tool for operators.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:39pm On Sep 13, 2016
Somalia national army Special Forces -

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pFceOZGnlg

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:46pm On Sep 13, 2016
frumentius:
Still can't believe Henry did not select this pic from 4Recce:

I suppose because it lacked a description and for some idi0ts with an inferiority complex, wasn't "African".

Description:
A helicopter lifts a seaborne operator from a boat whilst both are traveling at high speed. This tricky maneuver requires skill and coordination and allows transfer of personnel from one area of an operation to another with great efficiency.

Hence i asked for contributions from members. There has been quite a huge number of much improved photos shared this term. It was always going to be a daunting selecting images to consider. At the end of the day, i believe we selected the best photos, and they were all represented across the board from South, East, West and North-Africa.


It is an impressive photo though, and your description gives it soul.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:53pm On Sep 13, 2016
Reva FAV

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:05pm On Sep 13, 2016
Nigerian soldiers

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:16pm On Sep 13, 2016
Nigeria COIN

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Seened: 9:28pm On Sep 13, 2016
Libyan Sirte campaign against ISIS

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Seened: 9:30pm On Sep 13, 2016
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 9:32pm On Sep 13, 2016
Seened:
Libyan Sirte campaign against ISIS
Are they using the tank as an artillery piece?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Seened: 9:37pm On Sep 13, 2016
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 9:57pm On Sep 13, 2016
frumentius:


With good reason, for E&E. Prior to FIB deployment, we studied Ugandan, Zimbo, Namib, Angolan, Rwandese, Burundian, Sudanese and Chadian (don't ask me how we got them grin) reports on their adventures in the DRC. A stand out for me was Lt. Enslin's E&E efforts when his Hawk was short down, and earned the Bronze Cross of Zimbabwe Medal for his tribulations. 21 at the time, and the 3rd Zim pilot to be shot down, the Rwandese shot him down at 1000 feet in his Hawk and he E&E'd for 5 days, because he didn't have the proper equipment. Through the jungle he maneuvered, and we in SA learned some lessons. Our Rooivalk pilots are accordingly equipped for lessons learned in earlier in Angola, Zim, insurgencies in the SADC region and the jungle warfare in the DRC.

Enslin now works as a senior officer instructing the Saudi Air Force.
For the Zim cousins: @ngaduh et al: does the famed Zim Air Force Jungle Dustbin Trophy continue? Last I heard, then Lt. Midnight, now OC commanding our 2nd Squadron won it when last we went up to your neck of the woods.


P.S. For those who don't know what the "Dustbin Trophy" is:


The Rhodesian air force was towards the end of the war almost had half of it's aircraft either South African or manned by Saffers. Sent up to be exposed to ops.

Don't mention the Saudis. grin grin grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:59pm On Sep 13, 2016
Henry240:


If i'm being honest, SASF RDRVs are a perfect rapid deployment/recon vehicle. Operationally, they have proved their worth. Small, nimble, armoured, properly armed, can be heavily armed also, and they carry a decent amount of SF. However, i do like the fact the soldiers at the rear are spaced out.

The Gunners look quite comfortable too. The scenario also describes the vehicle. It was built for actions like these.


At the moment, the Reva FAV is my ideal vehicle for RDRVs. I do get a filling that we don't quite fancy them, the Honker plays the same role as Hornet or Reva RDRVs, yet we only deploy them in bases. Hopefully, as we continue to grow our SF, we would begin to see the requirements of RDRVs as an essential working tool for operators.

Good lord! Have I just persuaded you? BTW, I agree with you that Hornets are not optimal for direct action. But they pack enough punch to defend themselves. As proven in Bangui. Though, really, we should'nt have been utilising them in that scenario. They still performed suberbly: whilst taking fire 6 Hornets, their 12.7mm, 20mm, MLRS and 35 operators held off almost 2000 Seleka and 15 technicals with dushkas for almost 8 hours. Besides the point: SF are a strategic asset and should never fight like infantry; represents a strategic failure as far as our military and doctrine is concerned. Which then brings up another question:

If, as our latest defence review proposes, our parabats are to play a supplementary SOF/direct action role to SF, what vehicle is appropriate? Something like the REVA FAV would do nicely, much like the abandoned Jakkals used to.
Come to think, STTEP somewhat did the same with your 72 MSF. Conceive it as a direct action unit that is.
Though I'm now getting reports that momentum has not been maintained sad.\

Pic 1 - 3: Jakkals in Para and para-rescue (7 med battalion) service;

Pic 4: Reva FAV.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Seened: 10:05pm On Sep 13, 2016
MikeCZA:
Are they using the tank as an artillery piece?

Believe me MikeCZA I ask myself the same question. Talk of improvising. T-55 tank.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 11:01pm On Sep 13, 2016
frumentius:


Good lord! Have I just persuaded you? BTW, I agree with you that Hornets are not optimal for direct action. But they pack enough punch to defend themselves. As proven in Bangui. Though, really, we should'nt have been utilising them in that scenario. They still performed suberbly: whilst taking fire 6 Hornets, their 12.7mm, 20mm, MLRS and 35 operators held off almost 2000 Seleka and 15 technicals with dushkas for almost 8 hours. Besides the point: SF are a strategic asset and should never fight like infantry; represents a strategic failure as far as our military and doctrine is concerned. Which then brings up another question:

If, as our latest defence review proposes, our parabats are to play a supplementary SOF/direct action role to SF, what vehicle is appropriate? Something like the REVA FAV would do nicely, much like the abandoned Jakkals used to.
Come to think, STTEP somewhat did the same with your 72 MSF. Conceive it as a direct action unit that is.
Though I'm now getting reports that momentum has not been maintained sad.\What

Pic 1 - 3: Jakkals in Para and para-rescue (7 med battalion) service;

Pic 4: Reva FAV.
My problem with the paras is that we have one regular battalion.

And already they support peace missions in company sized units on the continent.

The army in my opinion needs another regular specialist fire force/light type of under strength battalion with SF assistance and influence. Able to deploy via air or land.

32 battalion should have been as part of the political transformation had it's name changed.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:11pm On Sep 13, 2016
Henry240:


Beautiful, i love the upgrades done on NAF MI-17 Terminator helicopters. We are expecting 6 Terminator1SH helicopters, that's if that signed deal is still ongoing.


Additional MI-17s and MI-35M helicopters can only mean good news for the Air Force. We just need those JF-17s in....... like now.
Right now we are all just in a state of limbo, playing the waiting game, until those assets drop before I can rest.

Anyways Senegalese assets

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Tinfoil: 11:21pm On Sep 13, 2016
Since everyone seems to be doing this, here is Top ten

https://videopress.com/v/uA5bifqC
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:31am On Sep 14, 2016
Seened:


Believe me MikeCZA I ask myself the same question. Talk of improvising. T-55 tank.

it is for safety reasons ,
they have surely replaced worn/faulty parts of these T55 with cannibalized/ improvised spares, with almost zero trained technical support.

so it makes sense to fire the guns from outside , due to lack of confidence and surely prior incidents of malfunction after repairs .

a shell going off inside during firing with the crew inside isn't exactly confidence inspiring , and if that happens more than once , then good luck finding a gunner, u have better chances of staying alive while being a suicide bomber grin grin grin grin

also the gun of the T55 being the same , the ballistic trajectory of the shell fired from it will remain same , if triggered from inside or outside.

here the T55 is being used in an indirect fire role , not similar to artillery fire which uses mainly a lofted high angle trajectory.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:06am On Sep 14, 2016
frumentius:


Good lord! Have I just persuaded you? BTW, I agree with you that Hornets are not optimal for direct action. But they pack enough punch to defend themselves. As proven in Bangui. Though, really, we should'nt have been utilising them in that scenario. They still performed suberbly: whilst taking fire 6 Hornets, their 12.7mm, 20mm, MLRS and 35 operators held off almost 2000 Seleka and 15 technicals with dushkas for almost 8 hours. Besides the point: SF are a strategic asset and should never fight like infantry; represents a strategic failure as far as our military and doctrine is concerned. Which then brings up another question:

If, as our latest defence review proposes, our parabats are to play a supplementary SOF/direct action role to SF, what vehicle is appropriate? Something like the REVA FAV would do nicely, much like the abandoned Jakkals used to.
Come to think, STTEP somewhat did the same with your 72 MSF. Conceive it as a direct action unit that is.
Though I'm now getting reports that momentum has not been maintained sad.\

Pic 1 - 3: Jakkals in Para and para-rescue (7 med battalion) service;

Pic 4: Reva FAV.

Lol..... You guys completely misunderstood me, even though i prefer vehicles such as the Plasan Sandcat, i never discarded vehicles like the Hornet. The Hornet in Burundi proves it's mettle.


If the Nigerian military ever considers vehicles such as the Hornet, they would also be used in direct action, as well as their defined RDRV roles. The argument for direct action would be, they pack enough punch, and have considerable frontal protection......... "So why won't we use them".


I agree, SF are strategic, however most military planners in Africa, prime example Nigeria, would argue since they have invested huge resources in developing these units, "we would use them as we see required".



Talking about the review, the Nigerian military has just concluded a defence review, a doctrinal review, and the white paper is currently with our defence minister.



[b]Nigerian White Paper on Defence Policy Now With
Defense Minister

September 8, 2016 91



The Chairman, White Paper Drafting Committee on the
revised Nigerian National Defence Policy (NNDP) 2015,
retired Lt. Gen. Isaac Obiakor, yesterday [September 6] in
Abuja handed over the draft White Paper to the Minister of
Defence, retired Brig. Gen. Mansur Dan-Ali.
Obiakor, who led members of the committee to the
ceremony, said the committee was asked to make
recommendations to government on strategies for
implementing the revised defence policy, among other
terms of reference. He said the document submitted by the
committee recommended that the NNDP should be applied
to deal with contemporary security challenges and
production of national defence needs and development.
He added that for the policy to be realizable, there should
be a change in the mental attitude towards implementation
of national policies.


In his remarks, the Minister of Defence, Mansur Dan-Ali, said
emerging threats to defence and sovereignty of nations
required the NNDP to be reviewed periodically to address
new developments and challenges.
He said government was committed to restructuring and
building the capacity of the armed forces to meet emerging
and contemporary security challenges.


Dan-Ali said the ministry was also undertaking the
restructuring of the armed forces to reflect the current
security challenges. He said the restructuring would be
based on building the capacities of the senior staff,
especially those in directorship cadre.
He added that the staff would be required to undertake
military capacity building courses to enhance their ability to
handle the responsibilities of their respective offices.


As reported by Ronald Mutum for the Daily Trust[/b]
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Seened: 7:11am On Sep 14, 2016
nemesis2u:


it is for safety reasons ,
they have surely replaced worn/faulty parts of these T55 with cannibalized/ improvised spares, with almost zero trained technical support.

so it makes sense to fire the guns from outside , due to lack of confidence and surely prior incidents of malfunction after repairs .

a shell going off inside during firing with the crew inside isn't exactly confidence inspiring , and if that happens more than once , then good luck finding a gunner, u have better chances of staying alive while being a suicide bomber grin grin grin grin

also the gun of the T55 being the same , the ballistic trajectory of the shell fired from it will remain same , if triggered from inside or outside.

here the T55 is being used in an indirect fire role , not similar to artillery fire which uses mainly a lofted high angle trajectory.

Viva la Gunner! wink

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:32am On Sep 14, 2016
Algerian navy Kilo submarine 636 Sea trials in Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66rM89WdW_M

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by pacretus(m): 8:01am On Sep 14, 2016
Henry240:

[b]Nigerian White Paper on Defence Policy Now With
Defense Minister

September 8, 2016 91



The Chairman, White Paper Drafting Committee on the
revised Nigerian National Defence Policy (NNDP) 2015,
retired Lt. Gen. Isaac Obiakor, yesterday [September 6] in
Abuja handed over the draft White Paper to the Minister of
Defence, retired Brig. Gen. Mansur Dan-Ali.
Obiakor, who led members of the committee to the
ceremony, said the committee was asked to make
recommendations to government on strategies for
implementing the revised defence policy, among other
terms of reference. He said the document submitted by the
committee recommended that the NNDP should be applied
to deal with contemporary security challenges and
production of national defence needs and development.
He added that for the policy to be realizable, there should
be a change in the mental attitude towards implementation
of national policies.


In his remarks, the Minister of Defence, Mansur Dan-Ali, said
emerging threats to defence and sovereignty of nations
required the NNDP to be reviewed periodically to address
new developments and challenges.
He said government was committed to restructuring and
building the capacity of the armed forces to meet emerging
and contemporary security challenges.


Dan-Ali said the ministry was also undertaking the
restructuring of the armed forces to reflect the current
security challenges. He said the restructuring would be
based on building the capacities of the senior staff,
especially those in directorship cadre.
He added that the staff would be required to undertake
military capacity building courses to enhance their ability to
handle the responsibilities of their respective offices.


As reported by Ronald Mutum for the Daily Trust[/b]
Good..i hope we get to see,a review in weapons procurement.i don't really like the defensive rather than offensive nature of the military,buying weapons that're just ''good enough'' for the little internal conflicts here and there.


BTW..this is the first time i'm hearing of ''defence policy review''.

Oga henry, i must commend your effort at promoting the good image of our dearest country,well done.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:26am On Sep 14, 2016
cheers to the newly promoted officers and men of the Nigerian Army , Death machine i hear say eagle don land for your shoulder, come and wash it o grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:54am On Sep 14, 2016
Nigerdeltaboi:
cheers to the newly promoted officers and men of the Nigerian Army , Death machine i hear say eagle don land for your shoulder, come and wash it o grin

This is goodnews, Deathmachine has been promoted? I suspect he is the one in the photo?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:58am On Sep 14, 2016
Congratulations @Deathmachine on your recent promotion!


Remember you owe us 100 Bokos. Congrats chief!

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:06am On Sep 14, 2016
Nigerian Air Force Regiment

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ssaengine: 10:08am On Sep 14, 2016
http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8841

South African Air Force Air Capability Display - 13 September 2016












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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by ssaengine: 10:12am On Sep 14, 2016
Continued....





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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:26am On Sep 14, 2016
Algeria's S-300 PMU2 Favorit, seen on tv , the confirmation of the use of the 48N6E2 missile ( 200Km range, 397 kgs warhead weight) along side with the 5V55R missile which has been shown previously,

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:40am On Sep 14, 2016
what versions r the south african hawks and do they have inhouse upgrades ?

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