solite3:
jozzy answer my question! And doctor allien ask you a question did Jesus mention his father.
Is Jesus God? If yes then he is Good! So your trying to say that God there means the father will mean Jesus is not God which will invalidate the bible it self.
Jozzy if Jesus is not good why will he refer to himself as the good shepherd.

Jozzy4:


Mark 10:18

dazzlingd:

at what point did u convert? what inspired u?

JMAN05:
JW's stick to the scriptures as there authority, and they possess the identity for which Jesus and his disciples were known for; They love themselves as Jesus said would happen to his disciples [john 13:34, 35]. They preach, ALL of them [Matt 28:19, 20], They are hated even though they are not law breakers [luke 6:22-23; Happy are you whenever men hate you, and when they exclude you and reproach you and denounce your name as wicked for the sake of the Son of man. 23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, [size=14pt]for look! your reward is great in heaven,[/size] for those are the same things their forefathers used to do to the prophets], They are no part of the world in its political controversies [John 18:36; john 6:15].

Emusan:


Do you accept ALL TRANSLATIONS in NWT? Simple!
@bold-lol...but you got issue with other translations.

But not accept some verses translation.

Who told you i don't accept the translation of ALL VERSES in those version. My friend there is no version I list there that I don't accept.

No! They didn't translate the scripture differently but each uses different mode/style in translation which doesn't change the meaning of writer's mind. In other word, what ever you read in KJV has the same meaning in NIV.

That's the simple Truth.

But you can do that for NWT which simply means any translation that doesn't render John 1:1 as "...and the word was a god" is no no no for you.

You examine such fact through

FACT!!! Have you stopped going up and down with Watchtower & Awake in your bag knocking on people's door

My question still remains; do you accept ALL VERSES in NWT

DoctorAlien:


You still haven't proven from the Bible that GOD has two types of Wisdom: maybe animate and inanimate.

The Bible says GOD is wise. The Bible also says Jesus is the Wisdom of GOD. (1 Cor. 1:30)

Was the Wisdom of GOD created?

Note that the word "created" does not appear in the Authorized version.

Emusan:


As if it makes any sense.

Emusan:


So after the Adamic sins that Jesus paid for, what about every day to day sins we committed?

Emusan:


What about day to day sins people committed?

Emusan:


Does it mean people don't commit sin anymore?

Emusan:


So, those who will survive the Armageddon when will their own sins be forgiven or Jehovah will just overlook their sin and allow them to pass into the new earth or these people don't have anything like personal sins

Emusan:


At least you're getting close, your believe is that some JWs will survive the Armageddon and after the Armageddon the new life on earth will begin. The people who will survive this Armageddon don't they have any sin or are they 100% righteous

Emusan:

Please, kindly explain how these people will pass into the new earth without dying without a single sin.

Emusan:

But some people will still never experience death, how does this people sin is forgiven

Emusan:


@bold, Jesus said your REWARD IS GREAT IN HEAVEN, please who will help those JWs who have inherited the Earth collect their reward in HEAVEN

dolphinheart:
but as far as my present studies has taken me, I've got no issues with the NWT Yet!

I've got issues with verses from some other translations that I've studied!


yes



let's examine 3 verses

(1)1 John 5: 7
NIV translation : For there are three that testify:

KJV says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Apart from the fact that they do not have the same words , they also do not have the same meaning or are they telling us the same thing?
so can you explain these differences in that verse?

(2) rev 1:8
NIV says :"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

KJV says : I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
the words " the begginING and the ending" cannot be found in the NIV, pls tell us why, cus such words go a long way in telling us who that verse is referring to.
are those words meant to be their like in the KJV or not meant to be their like in the NIV?

(3)isaiah 9:6
NIV says: You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder.

KJV says: Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
NIV helps us to understand that God increased their joy while KJV says the opposite, can you espanciate on the difference between the two and tell us which is right and which is wrong? cus they give us different meaning!

another one is 1 ti:3:16, kjv says "God was manifest in the flesh", but the NIV says " he appeared in the flesh".
pls tell us, did the NIV translate the Greek word for God "theos" to "he" in that verse or did the KJV Translate the Greek word for "he" to "god"?

it's not that simple

yes

study

I've accepted the verses of the NWT that I've had the opportunity of studying!

JMAN05:


When Jesus died, did God become unwise?

You asked for any other translation. I gave you another translation, you then said, the authorize version does not have it. That the Authorized version doesnt use "created", doesnt make it wrong.

goody1shoe73:
All you postulated My Friend, remains in the realm of conjecture since we can't and haven't seen spirits. Spirits are higher forms of life,hence we can't see them. God and Jesus and the angels even the demons and Satan possess personalities. They are not impersonal beings. There are examples where angels materialized as humans, are u saying their spirit bodies lay in state in the heavens?
The nature of the transference of Jesus life was an unprecedented miracle. It's purpose was to shield Him from inherited sin.

BIBLESPEAKS:

Emusan:


The Father called His Son God, yes or no? Heb 1:8

DoctorAlien:


GOD did not become unwise.

Now, was the Wisdom of GOD created?

Support your claim from the Bible that GOD has two types of Wisdom.

JMAN05:
Gods kingdom is established in heaven, it will rule over those on earth. Matt 5:5, Psalm 37:9

Rev 5:10
and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth

Emusan:


Is it God's kingdom that will be established in heaven is the REWARD IN HEAVEN Jesus was talking about nii



Don't twist my question mr man, you quoted verses which you used to proof that JWs are the true Christians.

Jesus said your REWARD IS IN HEAVEN how you equate this to God's kingdom still baffles me.

Emusan:


No it's not, we're following what the scripture says here that's why God inspired people to pen something down about this matter.



So, how does your organization know that God and Angels have a BODY?



Don't leave Holy Spirit out...we all know this.



Yes agree including Holy Spirit.



This is where we're going, when Angels materialized as humans this doesn't MEANING THEY'RE NO MORE AN ANGEL what simply happened was that THEIR NATURE which is spiritual one only COVERED BY HUMAN NATURE that can be seen by human. So, this make them to both be seen as Angel and Human at the same time. Because I'm 100% sure, you can't tell me that they're only 100% of human at that particular time their no more an Angel. Could this be the same in the case of Jesus Christ?

NOTE: not that their life was removed while in heaven and put in human nature but the whole BEING was CLOTHED with human nature!



You're still talking about TRANSFERING LIFE. Please, the examples of Angels you gave does God transfer their life before they could materialized human nature or their being was clothed with human nature.

Angel materialized in human nature isn't that a miracle too?

JMAN05:


Let's have it so. Don't want insincere discussion here.

Shalom!

truthislight:


Why cant you see that there is a difference between Materializing and being given birth to by a woman?

JW teach that Jesus was raised as a spirit person from the dead, when he materialized to appear to his disciples, did they denied that after his materializing that he was no longer a spirit person? NO

Hence, this are two different things you are missing together, there is a difference between Being given birth to by a woman and a spirit materializing.

Besides, Jesus paid the ransom for a physical human person and not that of a spirit person. It makes no sense to say a spirit person was used to pay the ransom of a Human, e no match. It is called "ransom". Supreme Justice was at play, not 419(obtain by trick).

Emusan:


I don't like people deliberately leave point out of selfish interest and begin to address another point.

Let's start again!

What did Jehovah send into Mary?

Jozzy4:
Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word .

Jozzy4:


your god no. 3 is an it , i thought its a person ! chai

DoctorAlien:
Still not forgetting this:

DoctorAlien:
Still not forgetting this:

Emusan:


Only a being with demons can make such statement.

Jesus who is the EXERT IMPRINT of God, the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God.

The person whom if you've seen, you've seen His Father

Yet JWs can still open their mouth and say such thing against Him

Emusan:


Only a being with demons can make such statement.

Jesus who is the EXERT IMPRINT of God, the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God.

The person whom if you've seen, you've seen His Father

Yet JWs can still open their mouth and say such thing against Him

Sanchez01:

This is very thoughtful.

On the blood transfusion ish, I once heard a story of a newly wedded JW couple. They had been living beautifully well, not until after about a year when the woman was to deliver of a baby. She lost a whole lot of blood during the process and the doctors informed the husband that they needed blood so as to sustain the woman's life. The 'brother' insisted that his wife would not be given blood because it's against their doctrine and the Jehovah they serve is capable of saving his wife and if she dies, then it pleases God, blah blah blah...

Long story short, the girl's family stepped in and overruled the husband's decision. She was given blood, gave birth, after much trouble and her parents collected her from this JW brother. Marriage was dissolved and the sister went to her parent's house with her child. Religion is deadly, regardless of whose tent it pitches.

Emusan:


Only a being with demons can make such statement.

Jesus who is the EXERT IMPRINT of God, the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God.

The person whom if you've seen, you've seen His Father

Yet JWs can still open their mouth and say such thing against Him

Jozzy4:


Did Jesus mention his Father at John 14:1 ? was he speaking to himself ?