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Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Nobody: 6:02pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
winner01:the emboldened clauses are CONTRADICTORY, sir. They're mutually exclusive..... |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 6:58pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
herald9: "Human" is no special title to hold after all you end up exactly same way every other animal does and as a matter of fact you are also an animal.
Unequal on whose benchmark? You think animals themselves think you anymore special than they are - a tiny mosquito lives for barely 9 days yet it hosts on you and kills humans on many occasions to survive, this shows it deems it life more worthy and valuable than yours. let's face it sir their are no V.I.P seats in nature, you may be more special than a chimpanzee in a human society but in a chimpanzee pack you are not. That is if we don't push them into extinction faster than they should - man is nature's greatest tool for natural selection and death on earth.
Or consideration of other species also as much earthlings as we also are. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by menesheh(m): 7:56pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
johnydon22: Basically, i agree that the universal don't give a damn about rights and that rights are the product of human construct. Since we human institutes rights as guiding principles that always works for our altruistic advantage, other animal species should not be excluded. The in the context of animal rights, since we are sentient being and capable of intellectually coming up with workable paradigm that guide our actions, we should include other animals. In the cause of inclusively legislating for animals rights, we have to consider grading animals according to certain abilities. Most animals are highly intelligent and can feel pain like us and are somewhat aware of their own existence. Some can harmoniously live with us and act as helping hand in our daily life. The quote on quote "ALL ANIMALS" shouldn't be the case here. Survival of the fittest still exist of which we are the premier of such. We must eat meat to survive. Some animals should have rights as a constitutional one, while others shouldn't but should be guilded on arbitrary judgements, to abate their extinction, like anti poaching laws and laws against killing of those that are not harmful. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by alolatee(m): 8:06pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
To the limit humans give animal, that is the measure of their rights.They don't have spirits and souls they only have bodies which house the five senses, thus they are not accountable to God, but man.Humans are accountable to God because he has the three fold nature;spirit, soul and body which are accountable to God |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by EyeHateGod: 8:31pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
johnydon22: Sexual abuse from who? Nawa o
Am not saying anyone should torture a Dog or any other animal for that matter. Who rapes Goat? We Humans Should learn to be considerate with each other and show compassion for each other first before we start thinking of Other animals |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by EyeHateGod: 8:34pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
alolatee:Humans Are animals i hope u attended and didn't skip ur Biology class? |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by herald9: 8:56pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
johnydon22: At least I won't end up in the stomach of another animal. Unequal on whose benchmark? You think animals themselves think you anymore special than they are - a tiny mosquito lives for barely 9 days yet it hosts on you and kills humans on many occasions to survive, this shows it deems it life more worthy and valuable than yours. A popular quote says all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Even if we chose to call ourselves animals, the truth is we can never be equal. So its not about what they think, it's what we know - erm.. Do they even THINK? All animals feed because they possess a survival instincts and not because they think they're more valuable or more worthy than others. Humans are special because their level of intelligence and capabilities are unmatched. There's no way to rationalize that. Nature made it so. let's face it sir their are no V.I.P seats in nature, you may be more special than a chimpanzee in a human society but in a chimpanzee pack you are not. LOL. But man has always exploited nature and tweak it accordingly to his whims. So who's the boss? That is if we don't push them into extinction faster than they should - man is nature's greatest tool for natural selection and death on earth. Nope. That's why we have many conservation outfits out there. Nowadays, our focus have been shifted to sustainable development of natural resources. So animals are animals are totally covered. There are several bodies out there that are working hand in hand to foresee the preservation and conservation of generic resources such as UNEP, WCED, etc. Or consideration of other species also as much earthlings as we also are. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by wiegraf: 9:02pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
HardMirror: All this is still humans applying their human reasoning to their individual value systems to determine what's right or wrong. The status quo in another species would be completely different when they apply their logic to their value system. I highly doubt snakes feel bad for their prey, for instance. To avoid long story I'll ask simply this: does the universe revolve around humanity? I could also argue that stuff like remorse is irrelevant, and people see canibalism as a right under certain conditions, but that is another loooong story as well. If you're referencing cannibalism in this context, have you heard of Richard Parker? http://nowiknow.com/richard-parker/ |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by alolatee(m): 9:08pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: I think you did not remember to put 'Higher Animals'-Yes when you are talking of field of science, you could talk as that but religiously, we are humans and far advanced than animals.Biology used the term 'Higher Animals' because it did not believe in creation of the bible. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by hahn(m): 9:30pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
menesheh: Where you dey since? |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by EyeHateGod: 9:34pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
alolatee:they is no such thing as Higher or Lower animals that's y i asked u did u skip ur biology class? |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by menesheh(m): 9:38pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
hahn: mr Hahn, i dey on low key. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by hahn(m): 9:43pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
menesheh: I know you are above the recession. Give me clue na |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Joshthefirst(m): 10:01pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
plaetton:I agree generally with plaetton |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Joshthefirst(m): 10:11pm On Sep 18, 2016 |
johnydon22:So humans have intellectual and emotional and spiritual potential to reason above the selfish self aggravating level. Animals generally do not. We manage the planet and the ecosystem, including animals. Would you now bring a comparison between us and say potentially greater and smarter entities? It would remain invalid, because the simple capacity to reason and empathize and love is all it takes to understand rights, even among people of differing physical and intellectual strengths. Our progeny also have rights, from conception. Because they eventually develop all of our capacities, including love. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by alolatee(m): 8:24am On Sep 19, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: I think even in Biology i was taught humans are higher animals.And thus we are different from those lower animals cos we have complex brain and highly advanced than them. But religiously or christianly, we are humans and not animals. 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by EyeHateGod: 1:58pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
alolatee:Please Can u give me a reference to a text book where this was Written or was ur Teacher Attaching Religion to Biology should I say he/she was Emotional? This was how we learnt back then That the sun rise at the east and set at the west |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 3:34pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: https://preciousjules1985./2013/12/29/warning-ex-very-graphic-images-laura-the-dog-physically-and-sexually-abused/
what planet have you been on all these while brother certainly not earth https://www.naij.com/53491.html
It doesn't hurt to all consider every other specie on earth that can suffer just as we can suffer 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by EyeHateGod: 3:45pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
johnydon22:awooo Wtf is Wrong with people truly i didn't Know sh-t like this happen on Earth. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 4:21pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
herald9: Oh you still can - they are many species out there that can easily kill you and eat you.
Not even if we choose to call ourselves animals we are animals - just because some humans are way better than the others in ways like [Financially, intellectually, physically] doesn't make them any more human than the other. we are animals too regardless of our abilities .. Neil Degraise Tyson once asked - why is it that we judge the intelligence of other species based only on the things we can do best - why not the things they can do best? You see if we judge it based on what they can do best then we probably will be the dumb ones.. No specie will ever regard the other as equal - so we may not be equal but we all are cosmopolitians [ citizens of cosmos and children of the earth]
Survival instincts that drives you to eat the other how does it differ from having the impression you are better and more deserving - just as you are thinking now.
So considerations should be based on the intellectual capabilities of beings? what about the virtue of their emotional capabilities? Many animals do that you can only say at a minimal scale .. Some primate species [Monkeys] has been observed to be now on the "Stone age" this doesn't mean using stones but manipulating them into specific shapes for specific tasks.
They still are heading towards extinction at a very disturbing rate - there is a cosmological loneliness we feel that we have not made contact with other life forms in other worlds, we don't even know if their are, lets us not make ourselves the only species in this world too. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 4:27pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
alolatee: Lol @ higher animal - well i believe that was not exactly it is be written in any biology text and i'll not like to think some teachers would use it like that. Yes we are animals of a more intricate physical and neurological caliberation..
Religiously it would be correct for a lion to say "I'm a lion not an animal" |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 4:30pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: so other species don't love or have emotional capabilities? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by herald9: 6:39pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
johnydon22: That's true... But not me. Although I've explored so many dangerous places on earth, but then, it only happens in my head...!!! Not even if we choose to call ourselves animals we are animals - just because some humans are way better than the others in ways like [Financially, intellectually, physically] doesn't make them any more human than the other. If all these boils down to appending some rights to animals; all things remaining equal, we should also consider having PLANT RIGHTS! As we all know, plants are the primary protectors of the universe; they are also Cosmopolitan citizens, they are biotic entities capable of phototropic locomotion and reproduction... Their roles in purifying the ecosystem and shielding humans from the adverse effects of solar radiation, as well as absorbing excess CO2, etc, cannot be overemphasised. But what do animals do? What's good for the goose is good for the gander |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by alolatee(m): 8:18pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: Well i am not a Biology freak but i think i learnt something of that nature or have heard it we humans are higher animals.Unless you are an atheist, christianly speaking, we are humans an not animals not evolved from Apes as evolutionists will like us believe. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Nobody: 8:51pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
I take it that I came late, but will still make my contributions @ johnydon22. If you are asking if animals have right to fair treatment, I would say animals possess the characteristic of "irritability", the response to external stimulus which is not necessarily portrayed outwardly through retaliation for harm inflicted or kindness rendered but can be seen through non-verbal expressions depicting a change in behavioural traits which are vehicled by certain feelings. The extent to which an animal especially a beast of burden carries out certain tasks is dependent on the way its owner treats it. So, I would say, animals have rights. Sure, most of them usually end up in our colons cause I doubt if most people can stay without a taste of pork or beef but such conditions to which animals end up subjected is not enough reason to treat them badly cause they are also living beings and they have feelings and in most case prove to be true friends to humans than humans even relate with themselves. Even certain religions have respect for animals. Hindus and Jains respect animals so much that most of their adherents subject themselves to extreme self denial like the Jain nuns who wear mouth coverings to prevent insects from getting in and end up masticated. Animals have feelings and should be treated fairly despite their limitations in reasoning. |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Joshthefirst(m): 10:08pm On Sep 19, 2016 |
johnydon22:Humans have the intellectual, emotional and spiritual capability to reason above selfish self-aggrandizement. Others do not |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by johnydon22(m): 5:17am On Sep 20, 2016 |
alolatee: You keep repeating this ridiculous nonsense over and over again. Human is a name for a given specie of animals just like Lion, Monkey or goat are all names for various species. Saying "i'm a human not an animal" is exactly as ridiculous as saying "this is a goat not an animal" 1 Like 3 Shares |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Kay17: 6:12am On Sep 20, 2016 |
It depends on how we award rights and the purpose of such rights. For humans the human being is considered as an invaluable entity worthy of protection from exploitation or destruction. There is also a self interest end to it. A global recognition of A's rights as human is likewise B"s. Other animals could be perceived to have rights exist as a specie. A right against extinction. Such a right serves humans as well |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Nobody: 8:26am On Sep 20, 2016 |
First off nice topic Well. . . animals can't recognise human rights. I feel like anything that demands rights should also be capable of respecting the rights of others. Any living thing that can't do that shouldn't have 'rights'. I classify ISIS terrorists with animals. They are primarily concerned with what they want, with blatant disregard of all fundamental human rights. Therefore, if they are affecting me, if its within my power I have to stop them without any regard to what they might feel. Same thing with a snake trying to kill me. I cannot recognise its 'right to life' when its trying to kill me. That said, animals such as dogs which pose no harm to me should be treated with respect. Why? Dogs are intelligent enough to recognise boundaries and therefore while they respect me, I should take proper care if them as well. Same with dolphins. Some dolphins even have higher IQs than humans. I read an amazing story of a dolphin that outsmarted her trainers. As for using animals as food items, its just my role in the ecosystem. 1 Like |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Kay17: 2:03pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: But if your thoughts are adopted then criminals would have no rights |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Nobody: 2:09pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
Kay17:Yes, to an extent. And that's exactly what the criminal justice system does. . . people who steal, they're sent to prison. . . their freedom of movement is taken away, freedom of association is taken away, freedom of speech, and so on. . . murderers, in many places get the death penalty. . . so you see what I mean |
Re: Do Animals Have Rights? [argumentative Discussion] by Kay17: 2:10pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
AnonyNymous: But they are not summarily executed which a right they enjoy |
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