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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:14pm On Sep 20, 2016
Icon4s:


Asides the Tanzania game which other games have you seen Rohr's teams play?


I am tied down, no much time to check but I will research more about. However, I suspect Ikpeba has a hand in our coach pick, Paul Le Guen is a ball playing defending kind of coach and I suspect Rohr who coached in the Ligue 1 when Ikpeba was with Jean Tigana (Another high line ball playing defending coach) might be similar.

Ikpeba is part of the technical committee. That is where I drew my opinion. Not just the last game.

Further games will clarify his style.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:10pm On Sep 20, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I am tied down, no much time to check but I will research more about. However, I suspect Ikpeba has a hand in our coach pick, Paul Le Guen is a ball playing defending kind of coach and I suspect Rohr who coached in the Ligue 1 when Ikpeba was with Jean Tigana (Another high line ball playing defending coach) might be similar.

Ikpeba is part of the technical committee. That is where I drew my opinion. Not just the last game.

Further games will clarify his style.

The bolded is just my point. From further games we will know about that.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:11pm On Sep 20, 2016
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:34pm On Sep 20, 2016
One of the pix I took when I visited the UJ Esuenne stadium camp of the 2013 Golden Eaglets, just to see my pally Amuneke way back 2012. cool

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 6:10pm On Sep 20, 2016
This formation could be far fetched. Abit alien to our style but I think a 3-5-2 formation could suit our team.
Something like this..
. . . . . . . . Ikeme. . . . . . .
... Omeruo. . . Leon. . . . Troost

.M.mohamed. . . . Onazi. . . Mikel
. . . . . . . . . . . . .iwobi. . . . . . . . . . . . Musa
. . . . . . . . Iheanacho. . . Ighalo

In this formation, Musa Muhammed would be licensed to push high up the field, just like a winger, when in possession, while the over load in midfield and Omeruo covers for him.
At the last AYC, he almost played like a free winger and got about 5goals. Won the player of the tournament I believe. Lichestiner plays this role for juventus.

In attack, Musa should be cutting in from the left. We all know what he did at the last world cup playing that position. Against South Africa in a friendly, he played from this angle and got a goal. He could be more prolific than moses playing there.

Iheanacho will support Odion and drop to the middle to help control the game,while Iwobi plays a free role which is his most natural position although he was trained at arsenal to play any role in attack even as a striker.

The Zambians will struggle to get out of their own half if we play a prototype like this. As they will be strangled to submission right there in Ndola.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:33pm On Sep 20, 2016
Icon4s:
One of the pix I took when I visited the UJ Esuenne stadium camp of the 2013 Golden Eaglets, just to see my pally Amuneke way back 2012. cool


My Homie. Brilliant Tactician, Emmanuel Amunike.

Superb post.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:11pm On Sep 20, 2016
chrisooblog:
hi bro yeah i dropped etebo for two main reasons. first i think he's injured secondly etebo is more of an AMF cum striker and for the zambia match i would like someone who can control the tempo of our midfield play. this is where mikel comes in and remember in the olympics he was able to bring some attacking verve into his game. ordinarily if we were playing at home or adopting a more attacking formation then i would drop either of ndidi\onazi for etebo so we would have a midfield three of mikel, etebo and ndidi\onazi. going forward in later matches they could be our default selection but thing is i don't trust onazi to shield the back four on his own since that matuidi challenge in the world cup dude has been off and i haven't seen enough of ndidi to know if he can do the job effectively.



aren't you going to consider Azubuike at all for that game? I understand your point exactly, you want us to play with caution but don't you think that the present condition that they are in can afford us the oppurtunity to not only win but to do so handsomely? I would prefer that Etebo-Mikel-Ndidi combination(with Azubuike replacing Ndidi for me) or we could add a true winger to replace Iwobi on the left and push him into the middle too, with him providing the assist, Iheanacho converting those assists and Mikel setting the tempo of the game, God have mercy on the Zambians cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 9:18pm On Sep 20, 2016
goldfish80:
This formation could be far fetched. Abit alien to our style but I think a 3-5-2 formation could suit our team.
Something like this..
. . . . . . . . Ikeme. . . . . . .
... Omeruo. . . Leon. . . . Troost

.M.mohamed. . . . Onazi. . . Mikel
. . . . . . . . . . . . .iwobi. . . . . . . . . . . . Musa
. . . . . . . . Iheanacho. . . Ighalo

In this formation, Musa Muhammed would be licensed to push high up the field, just like a winger, when in possession, while the over load in midfield and Omeruo covers for him.
At the last AYC, he almost played like a free winger and got about 5goals. Won the player of the tournament I believe. Lichestiner plays this role for juventus.

In attack, Musa should be cutting in from the left. We all know what he did at the last world cup playing that position. Against South Africa in a friendly, he played from this angle and got a goal. He could be more prolific than moses playing there.

Iheanacho will support Odion and drop to the middle to help control the game,while Iwobi plays a free role which is his most natural position although he was trained at arsenal to play any role in attack even as a striker.

The Zambians will struggle to get out of their own half if we play a prototype like this. As they will be strangled to submission right there in Ndola.

So this means that Troost will be virtually playing as the LB? But he is right footed isn't he? We do not really have the personnel to pursue what you have in mind. When Barca plays a 3 man defence, you usually see Busquets slotting into the central defence when the wing back is away attacking, is it Onazi or Mikel that will cover? So maybe Ndidi comes in handy but still having a right footed CB in the predominant LB position is going to cause a lot of problem. Juventus plays with 2 wing backs which makes it work out well for them, Musa isn't a wing back, we will have issues
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:06pm On Sep 20, 2016
Mickael2:


So this means that Troost will be virtually playing as the LB? But he is right footed isn't he? We do not really have the personnel to pursue what you have in mind. When Barca plays a 3 man defence, you usually see Busquets slotting into the central defence when the wing back is away attacking, is it Onazi or Mikel that will cover? So maybe Ndidi comes in handy but still having a right footed CB in the predominant LB position is going to cause a lot of problem. Juventus plays with 2 wing backs which makes it work out well for them, Musa isn't a wing back, we will have issues

Like I said, this is just a prototype. I don't think Troost will have much problems having watched him at the Olympics, he loved playing in the left side of defence. Alot of time, he doug out Amuzie. Remember, there would be enough security with Omeruo, Mikel and Leon forming a chain in defence when in defence transition.
In this formation, Mikel will drop deep while Onazi bursts forward with his energy and try winning the ball high up the pitch.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:11pm On Sep 20, 2016
goldfish80:


Like I said, this is just a prototype. I don't think Troost will have much problems having watched him at the Olympics, he loved playing in the left side of defence. Alot of time, he doug out Awaziem. Remember, there would be enough security with Omeruo, Mikel and Leon forming a chain in defence when in defence transition.
In this formation, Mikel will drop deep while Onazi bursts forward with his energy and try winning the ball high up the pitch.

@ bolded, Awaziem was not at the Olympics. Sincere Seth was Ekong's partner.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 12:13am On Sep 21, 2016
tbaba1234:


@ bolded, Awaziem was not at the Olympics. Sincere Seth was Ekong's partner.

exactly because I know Ekong wasn't on the left side at all, it was Sincere that played there entirely so am still confused
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:58am On Sep 21, 2016
tbaba1234:


@ bolded, Awaziem was not at the Olympics. Sincere Seth was Ekong's partner.
I meant Amuzie, the left back.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 8:02am On Sep 21, 2016
terzurum5:

Don't tell me you skipped this portion of the article.....
* This list is by no means official. It is purely the opinion of the writer hence it’s not binding.

I just tire.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 8:46am On Sep 21, 2016
My line up:
--------------------Ikeme--------------------------
/
Onazi--------Ekong---Balogun-----Echiejile
/
--------------Mikel----------Ndidi----------------
/
---------------------Iwobi-------------------------
/
Musa muh'med-----------------------Success
/
---------------------Iheanacho-------------------
/
Rohr should understand that if you are good enough you are old enough. Quartet in our attack can take us to 2018 world cup.let us do away with always starting our expereinced and untalented stars like Ighalo.musa,moses etc. Know that Musa muhammed is more of a winger than a defender,the duo of musa and success can bully any defence. Remember it is African football we are talking about.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 8:50am On Sep 21, 2016
Moses and Musa are too soft for African football and we can't afford to keep using them and be expecting different result
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:19am On Sep 21, 2016
Icon4s:


Please direct this question to the author of that publication and not to me.


grin Na general question. It was not directed at you na,bros!

But em em..... Since, you have a friend who was formerly employed in the glass house, you can...... You know na. grin Na joke ooooo!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:23am On Sep 21, 2016
terzurum5:

Don't tell me you skipped this portion of the article.....
* This list is by no means official. It is purely the opinion of the writer hence it’s not binding.

I know but there's no smoke without a fire.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:29am On Sep 21, 2016
I am impressed with the fact that a few people here actually understand that Musa Mohammed is not just a Right fullback but a flying wing-back based on his playing style and Energy up and down the right wing. He even started off in the U-17s as a Centre-back.... smiley



In Sir Goldfish80's 3-5-2, Musa Mohammed will strive as Right wing back... I have no doubt about it.

But all the same shaa..... This is the World Cup Qualifiers, NO TIME FOR "HEAVY" EXPERIMENTATION THAT WILL COST US POINTS.


Musa Mohammed won't be played as a right winger no matter how physical he is. A right winger requires more than physicality to execute his role. Besides, A Victor Moses will be better off in that role and yep, he was fantastic last night against a very physical Leicester City.

Musa Mohammed may have to man the R.B. role but then I hope Moses Odubajo's switch is completed soon so that he can stake a claim also.... Leon is also an option there but I won't play our best CB as a right back... Now way!!!!

Also, Shehu Abdullahi's performance at Rio in that Right back role was impressive. He's also an option although he is naturally a DMF.





Success... Success... Success... I expect him to make Rohr's list for the battle of Ndola. Simon Moses is out with an injury. Etebo "may" also miss out.

We have a rising super bunch of top young starlets but we gotta get the formation right fpr every game based on the opposition in view.

If we wanna be in Russia by the summer of 2018. We gotta avoid "heavy" experimentation and go for what will kill off our opponents game-by-game.

zuchyblink:
My line up:
--------------------Ikeme--------------------------
/
Onazi--------Ekong---Balogun-----Echiejile
/
--------------Mikel----------Ndidi----------------
/
---------------------Iwobi-------------------------
/
Musa muh'med-----------------------Success
/
---------------------Iheanacho-------------------
/
Rohr should understand that if you are good enough you are old enough. Quartet in our attack can take us to 2018 world cup.let us do away with always starting our expereinced and untalented stars like Ighalo.musa,moses etc. Know that Musa muhammed is more of a winger than a defender,the duo of musa and success can bully any defence. Remember it is African football we are talking about.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:40am On Sep 21, 2016
goldfish80:
This formation could be far fetched. Abit alien to our style but I think a 3-5-2 formation could suit our team.
Something like this..
. . . . . . . . Ikeme. . . . . . .
... Omeruo. . . Leon. . . . Troost

.M.mohamed. . . . Onazi. . . Mikel
. . . . . . . . . . . . .iwobi. . . . . . . . . . . . Musa
. . . . . . . . Iheanacho. . . Ighalo

In this formation, Musa Muhammed would be licensed to push high up the field, just like a winger, when in possession, while the over load in midfield and Omeruo covers for him.
At the last AYC, he almost played like a free winger and got about 5goals. Won the player of the tournament I believe. Lichestiner plays this role for juventus.

In attack, Musa should be cutting in from the left. We all know what he did at the last world cup playing that position. Against South Africa in a friendly, he played from this angle and got a goal. He could be more prolific than moses playing there.

Iheanacho will support Odion and drop to the middle to help control the game,while Iwobi plays a free role which is his most natural position although he was trained at arsenal to play any role in attack even as a striker.

The Zambians will struggle to get out of their own half if we play a prototype like this. As they will be strangled to submission right there in Ndola.


This formation is good but you have to put the right players at the right places.

The 3 defenders you used are rightly placed but you will need wing back at each sides that can also play as a midfielder and winger. Therefore, Musa Ahmed should be replaced with Joel obi or Echiejile. Musa Mohammed is likely the right choice for the RWB.

Spot on with Mikel Obi and Onazi as the DM and Iwobi as the attacking midfielder. Kelechi Iheanacho and Ighalo are also the best for that position.


But I doubt it will work out because we are not use to this kind of formation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:54am On Sep 21, 2016
zuchyblink:
My line up:
--------------------Ikeme--------------------------
/
Onazi--------Ekong---Balogun-----Echiejile
/
--------------Mikel----------Ndidi----------------
/
---------------------Iwobi-------------------------
/
Musa muh'med-----------------------Success
/
---------------------Iheanacho-------------------
/
Rohr should understand that if you are good enough you are old enough. Quartet in our attack can take us to 2018 world cup.let us do away with always starting our expereinced and untalented stars like Ighalo.musa,moses etc. Know that Musa muhammed is more of a winger than a defender,the duo of musa and success can bully any defence. Remember it is African football we are talking about.

Hmm! You prefer Ndidi to Onazi and Musa to Moses.

I think Onazi is better than Ndidi in that position while Moses is better than Musa Mohammed in that position.

If we can think of using Musa Mohammed who is finding it difficult to play for his team then it is better we bring Daniel Adejo who plays regularly as a RB in the Serie B.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 10:16am On Sep 21, 2016
forgiveness:


Hmm! You prefer Ndidi to Onazi and Musa to Moses.

I think Onazi is better than Ndidi in that position while Moses is better than Musa Mohammed in that position.

If we can think of using Musa Mohammed who is finding it difficult to play for his team then it is better we bring Daniel Adejo who plays regularly as a RB in the Serie B.
Moses is better than musa M. How? Well is not about who is better but who can deliver results,for the facts he is not playing in his club doesn't make him a bad player,it could the coache's decision. Musa M can make those explosive runs annd also track back and support the defence which moses cannot do

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:26am On Sep 21, 2016
zuchyblink:
Moses is better than musa M. How? Well is not about who is better but who can deliver results,for the facts he is not playing in his club doesn't make him a bad player,it could the coache's decision. Musa M can make those explosive runs annd also track back and support the defence which moses cannot do

Because Moses bring fear factor, he can create chances from nothing, he can score and he can pass better than Musa Mohammed.

There is difference between playing from the back and playing from the wing.

Moses can make explosive runs too but he can't defend. That is where the job of a DM comes in.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 10:48am On Sep 21, 2016
forgiveness:


Because Moses bring fear factor, he can create chances from nothing, he can score and he can pass better than Musa Mohammed.

There is difference between playing from the back and playing from the wing.

Moses can make explosive runs too but he can't defend. That is where the job of a DM comes in.
Moses brings which fear factor? U see we can't continue using Ighalo,moses,musa etc and wxpect to achieve different result from wwhat we used to get from these guys
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:00am On Sep 21, 2016
zuchyblink:
Moses brings which fear factor? U see we can't continue using Ighalo,moses,musa etc and wxpect to achieve different result from wwhat we used to get from these guys


I wan ask you one question. Which player played a major part in our conquest to win the Nations Cup?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:08am On Sep 21, 2016
TheSuperNerd:
I am impressed with the fact that a few people here actually understand that Musa Mohammed is not just a Right fullback but a flying wing-back based on his playing style and Energy up and down the right wing. He even started off in the U-17s as a Centre-back.... smiley



In Sir Goldfish80's 3-5-2, Musa Mohammed will strive as Right wing back... I have no doubt about it.

But all the same shaa..... This is the World Cup Qualifiers, NO TIME FOR "HEAVY" EXPERIMENTATION THAT WILL COST US POINTS.


Musa Mohammed won't be played as a right winger no matter how physical he is. A right winger requires more than physicality to execute his role. Besides, A Victor Moses will be better off in that role and yep, he was fantastic last night against a very physical Leicester City.

Musa Mohammed may have to man the R.B. role but then I hope Moses Odubajo's switch is completed soon so that he can stake a claim also.... Leon is also an option there but I won't play our best CB as a right back... Now way!!!!

Also, Shehu Abdullahi's performance at Rio in that Right back role was impressive. He's also an option although he is naturally a DMF.





Success... Success... Success... I expect him to make Rohr's list for the battle of Ndola. Simon Moses is out with an injury. Etebo "may" also miss out.

We have a rising super bunch of top young starlets but we gotta get the formation right fpr every game based on the opposition in view.

If we wanna be in Russia by the summer of 2018. We gotta avoid "heavy" experimentation and go for what will kill off our opponents game-by-game.


I agree, no experiments in formation. I will avoid a three at the back, after the recent failures in the EPL.

Mancini tried it at City and it failed. Van Gaal tried it and failed. Recently, Conte is avoiding it. It leaves gaps, wide due to the heavy forward play of the wing backs.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:11am On Sep 21, 2016
forgiveness:



I wan ask you one question. Which player played a major part in our conquest to win the Nations Cup?

John Mikel Obi aka Obi Kererenke. He was not just our best player at the AFCON but the best player of the competition.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:29am On Sep 21, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


John Mikel Obi aka Obi Kererenke. He was not just our best player at the AFCON but the best player of the competition.


Hmm! Ok, who was the next after him?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:15pm On Sep 21, 2016
I highly Endorse This Statement smiley

Yet Yaya Toure won CAF APOTY award that year and nobody raised dust.

But when Aubameyang won for the year Yaya and CIV conquered Africa (last year, 2015), Yaya and his loquacious agent, Dimitri Seluk, started crying "blue murder" and "robbery" and saying it's high time we respected the performances at the Afcon above european club football performances so long as it is an AFCON year.... Rubbish!!!!!!!!!

Where was this same "Respect Africa" philosophy of his when Mikel was overlooked in 2013??

Ohhh... It's because he, Cry-baby Yaya was the beneficiary..... Absolute Rubbish!!!!!!!!!!





TheGoodJoe:


John Mikel Obi aka Obi Kererenke. He was not just our best player at the AFCON but the best player of the competition.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:21pm On Sep 21, 2016
forgiveness:



Hmm! Ok, who was the next after him?

Very tough. We had the likes of Omeruo, Oboabona and Victor Moses. I will go for Onazi because he was behind most of the weight behind Mikel. He gave Mikel the liberty to express himself.

However, this is a personal choice. A lot felt Moses was instrumental to our win.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:24pm On Sep 21, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Very tough. We had the likes of Omeruo, Oboabona and Victor Moses. I will go for Onazi because he was behind most of the weight behind Mikel. He gave Mikel the liberty to express himself.

However, this is a personal choice. A lot felt Moses was instrumental to our win.

Very simple to choose. Victor Moses was next to Mikel.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:44pm On Sep 21, 2016
Very True... After Mikel was Vic Moses
forgiveness:

Very simple to choose. Victor Moses was next to Mikel.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:48pm On Sep 21, 2016
forgiveness:


Very simple to choose. Victor Moses was next to Mikel.

Maybe Simple to you. Omeruo was amazing in that competition. As for me, he contributed more than Moses. Especially in his battle against Drogba. Same goes for Oboabona and Onazi.

I look at all contributions and not just offensive. Offensively, Moses was brilliant but defensively, many did better.

Onazi was a monster too. That does not take anything away from Victor Moses. He was one of the heroes of the competition.

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